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http://www.kptv.com/story/30842773/oregon-bakery-owners-pay-135k-in-gay-wedding-cake-case (http://www.kptv.com/story/30842773/oregon-bakery-owners-pay-135k-in-gay-wedding-cake-case)
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A just verdict. Can't go around discriminatin' and hatin'.
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Interesting.
On the one hand:
A 2007 Oregon law protects the rights of gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people in employment, housing and public accommodations. The state ruled it also bars private businesses from discriminating against potential customers.
If a business knows the above law, then they either: (1) have to serve all people, or (2) not open a business if their religious background is going to violate the law, (3) open up a business, but realize that if they refuse to serve the LGBT community, this will result in damages, or (3) attempt to overturn the law.
Whether or not I agree with the law is besides the point. As business owners, they should have known this law and followed it. They didn't and were penalized.
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Hahahahahahhahahahaha
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I agree that they clearly broke the state law and should be held accountable. I do however feel that $135k is very excessive.
I know these religious homophobes had a go fund me account, but I think it might have been taken down. Wonder how they came up with the cash.
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$135,000 for refusing to serve someone? :o
All this does is give more incentive to fags/dykes to sue people/businesses when they feel they've been discriminated against.
Only 5% of the total population and they have more rights than straight people have. ::) ???
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$135,000 for refusing to serve someone? :o
All this does is give more incentive to fags/dykes to sue people/businesses when they feel they've been discriminated against.
Only 5% of the total population and they have more rights than straight people have. ::) ???
CLEARLY, discrimination doesn't exist and we don't need discrimination laws :D
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CLEARLY, discrimination doesn't exist and we don't need discrimination laws :D
The US has become a fucking cesspool of homosexual indoctrination and PC media brainwashing. You must love it.
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The US has become a fucking cesspool of homosexual indoctrination and PC media brainwashing. You must love it.
I love people being free to be who they are without having to face discrimination and violence. The ideals America was founded on.
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The US has become a fucking cesspool of homosexual indoctrination and PC media brainwashing.
This.
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It was all about money.. Would you want them to make your cake after you know that someone doesn't want to make it for you. Truly a sad day. America is not a free country
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Title of the thread is wrong as well. You don't have to be homophobic to disagree with gay marriage
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Title of the thread is wrong as well. You don't have to be homophobic to disagree with gay marriage
You do if you refuse to sell them a fucking cake because their gay.
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A just verdict. Can't go around discriminatin' and hatin'.
What's wrong with you guyincognito? You homo or something?
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What is the typical fine for a discrimination suit?
Seems they had no problem paying the cash on this one though. Donors gonna donate.
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The bakery cats were idiots. Take their money, bake them a shit cake, laugh as you spend their money, the end.
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Title of the thread is wrong as well. You don't have to be homophobic to disagree with gay marriage
I think the OP realizes this but can't form a cohesive point outside of the usual Leftist derailings, i.e. being anti-Obama is being anti-black.
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You do if you refuse to sell them a fucking cake because their gay.
The line between phobia and bigotry is blurry. No one should be allowed to impose their religious beliefs upon others.
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You do if you refuse to sell them a fucking cake because their gay.
Homophobic is implying that you have a phobia of homosexuals. I associate with them .i have a few at work that I would consider friends BUT I don't believe in gay marriage..so am I homophobic..absolutely not
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The line between phobia and bigotry is blurry. No one should be allowed to impose their religious beliefs upon others.
How were they imposing their religious beliefs by refusing to bake them a cake. One could say that the homosexual community is imposing their beliefs on us ...its sad to me.
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The US has become a fucking cesspool of homosexual indoctrination and PC media brainwashing. You must love it.
I agree, 30 years ago these people were properly diagnosed as maladjusted and perverted...Sick....
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How were they imposing their religious beliefs by refusing to bake them a cake. One could say that the homosexual community is imposing their beliefs on us ...its sad to me.
It's unfortunate that we're such assholes but there's no way of moving towards equal rights without drawing some lines.
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It's unfortunate that we're such assholes but there's no way of moving towards equal rights without drawing some lines.
I'm pretty sure buying a cake is not a right.
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I'm pretty sure buying a cake is not a right.
Exactly.
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lol only in America...
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How were they imposing their religious beliefs by refusing to bake them a cake. One could say that the homosexual community is imposing their beliefs on us ...its sad to me.
But.... You do realize they just wanted a cake and nothing more ....right ?
WoooSSHHHH TA NA KA
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I'm pretty sure buying a cake is not a right.
It would take a Constitutional Law expert but I'm guessing the 9th Amendment protects us from ourselves in cases where it's impossible to restrain the inner asshole.
Generally speaking, I feel our rights are connected.
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Homophobic is implying that you have a phobia of homosexuals. I associate with them .i have a few at work that I would consider friends BUT I don't believe in gay marriage..so am I homophobic..absolutely not
Is only when you refuse to provide service simply because someone is gay, that you become Homophobic.
WoooSSHHHH BE YE KE
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A thousand would have been enough... and that would have been pricey.
Why didn't the couple go to another bakery?
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It would take a Constitutional Law expert but I'm guessing the 9th Amendment protects us from ourselves in cases where it's impossible to restrain the inner asshole.
Generally speaking, I feel our rights are connected.
The Bill of Rights, are natural rights that the government cannot take away from you. But you are correct depending on the interpretation the 9th could go a couple different ways. Now a cake has to be made by someone, therefore having or buying cake is not a natural right.
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The Bill of Rights, are natural rights that the government cannot take away from you. But you are correct depending on the interpretation the 9th could go a couple different ways. Now a cake has to be made by someone, therefore having or buying cake is not a natural right.
The people who are abusing the system do not give a single fuck about amendment xyz - it's payback time if anybody questions their "authority". The really bad people are the enablers in the background who allow such polarization knowingly melting down society.
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The people who are abusing the system do not give a single fuck about amendment xyz - it's payback time if anybody questions their "authority". The really bad people are the enablers in the background who allow such polarization knowingly melting down society.
You are correct and there is a reason for it, if the general populace is continually distracted and fighting among themselves, well it makes it easier for .gov to get away with unconstitutional things. At some point the USA will welcome, no demand that .gov takes away our rights for the illusion of safety
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Whats the rationale for so much money?
Sometimes I get it, you need professional help from a therapist. But here? You lost time... Maybe a penalty but a 6 figure penalty? I'd be shocked if most businesses could weather that.
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You are correct and there is a reason for it, if the general populace is continually distracted and fighting among themselves, well it makes it easier for .gov to get away with unconstitutional things. At some point the USA will welcome, no demand that .gov takes away our rights for the illusion of safety
Patriot act.
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Patriot act.
Yep
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Whats the rationale for so much money?
Sometimes I get it, you need professional help from a therapist. But here? You lost time... Maybe a penalty but a 6 figure penalty? I'd be shocked if most businesses could weather that.
It's a bunch of bullshit, someone trying to make a point, and a fucked up judicial system. Maybe its just me and I go to buy something and that establishment doesn't want my business, I am more than happy to spend my money elsewhere. But then again I'm not politically correct and don't get offended by nonsense....
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Whats the rationale for so much money?
Sometimes I get it, you need professional help from a therapist. But here? You lost time... Maybe a penalty but a 6 figure penalty? I'd be shocked if most businesses could weather that.
You have to speak in a language people understand.
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Wish the bakery was in my town..i would go and buy something daily
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Is only when you refuse to provide service simply because someone is gay, that you become Homophobic.
WoooSSHHHH BE YE KE
X2. I bet this bigot also keeps one black friend so he can claim he is not racist.
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I agree, 30 years ago these people were properly diagnosed as maladjusted and perverted...Sick....
Exactly. Now the mass media promotes this shit and tries to normalize it. The younger generation is being indoctrinated/brainwashed by this garbage. The doctors who perform these operations/treatments are an abomination to the profession.
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I agree, 30 years ago these people were properly diagnosed as maladjusted and perverted...Sick....
Are you a flat-earther?
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Exactly. Now the mass media promotes this shit and tries to normalize it. The younger generation is being indoctrinated/brainwashed by this garbage. The doctors who perform these operations/treatments are an abomination to the profession.
Of course..look at the beta males here saying the bakery was wrong. I'm betting the are all young kids..most still living at home. It IS the norm for them
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Whats the rationale for so much money?
Sometimes I get it, you need professional help from a therapist. But here? You lost time... Maybe a penalty but a 6 figure penalty? I'd be shocked if most businesses could weather that.
deterrent to the next small business owner
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I agree, 30 years ago these people were properly diagnosed as maladjusted and perverted...Sick....
and 40 years ago blacks had their own water fountain and 50 years ago women couldn't vote... that's how progress works... you progress
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deterrent to the next small business owner
So you think is OK for .gov to put someone out of business because of their beliefs?
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and 40 years ago blacks had their own water fountain and 50 years ago women couldn't vote... that's how progress works... you progress
Skin color and gender are a far cry from sexual orientation
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So you think is OK for .gov to put someone out of business because of their beliefs?
when their beliefs contradict the law yes. other such examples
Muslims beating their wives
child brides
animal welfare laws that contradict ritual animal slaughterer
all legit religious beliefs that don't get to happen because they contradict the law.
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when their beliefs contradict the law yes. other such examples
Muslims beating their wives
child brides
animal welfare laws that contradict ritual animal slaughterer
all legit religious beliefs that don't get to happen because they contradict the law.
Yes because all those things are similar to not selling a cake ::)
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Yes because all those things are similar to not selling a cake ::)
slippery slope
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Wish the bakery was in my town..i would go and buy something daily
Out of business now.
Also I don't even think the money went to the lesbian couple, I think it was just a fine by the state. Not an actual lawsuit.
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slippery slope
How so?
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How so?
Because now you'll have to be lubed up and accept gay butt-sex to show tolerance.
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Because now you'll have to be lubed up and accept gay butt-sex to show tolerance.
Is that your excuse for the ass fucking you got in room 7 by the ice machine? ;D
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You are correct and there is a reason for it, if the general populace is continually distracted and fighting among themselves, well it makes it easier for .gov to get away with unconstitutional things. At some point the USA will welcome, no demand that .gov takes away our rights for the illusion of safety
Same in Europe - sucks, the western world used to be pretty good when compared to other shit holes.
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They must be pretty shitty business owners if they didn't know a basic law of business put forth by their state.
I mean, if you're opening up a business, and youre religious, and do not want to sell to the LGBT community, you think that is the first thing they would check before opening up the business, i.e., can you refuse service to anyone.
And if the law was established while they were in business, then they would have had 2 options: 1) sell to the LGBT community to avoid being penalized or 2) try to overthrow the bill/law.
Either way, they are crappy businesses owners for not knowing any of this. And, if they did know all this, and broke the law, then they should be penalized. You don't like the law, pick yourself up by your bootstraps, and open a bakery where that law doesn't apply.
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Whats the rationale for so much money?
Sometimes I get it, you need professional help from a therapist. But here? You lost time... Maybe a penalty but a 6 figure penalty? I'd be shocked if most businesses could weather that.
That was the fine the state put on them , not for refusing so much but when the bakery was called out they made threatening phone calls to the couple, put their address and phone number public on social media violated a gag order and not following court instructions and actually putting the couple in danger , couple is suing but didn't get a settlement yet, this happenned in oregon and they thought hiding behind religion would help them but they were such asshats about it people boycotted the store in droves
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That was the fine the state put on them , not for refusing so much but when the bakery was called out they made threatening phone calls to the couple, put their address and phone number public on social media violated a gag order and not following court instructions and actually putting the couple in danger , couple is suing but didn't get a settlement yet, this happenned in oregon and they thought hiding behind religion would help them but they were such asshats about it people boycotted the store in droves
Where does Nikki live and what is she doing now? I was a huge fan.
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Is that your excuse for the ass fucking you got in room 7 by the ice machine? ;D
I gave up fighting the gay agenda, LOL!
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I agree that they clearly broke the state law and should be held accountable. I do however feel that $135k is very excessive.
I know these religious homophobes had a go fund me account, but I think it might have been taken down. Wonder how they came up with the cash.
I wonder this too. I remember reading that they had to close the bakery. I assume it was for financial reasons. Maybe they hocked their home. Maybe their church helped them out.
Brad Avakian, Oregon Labor Commissioner is tough on folks who discriminate against the LGBT community. The owner of a lounge in N. Portland was fairly heavily fined for asking the trans clientele to take their meetings elsewhere.
"PORTLAND, Ore. — A Portland bar owner must pay $400,000 in damages to a group of transgender patrons he asked to stay away, the Oregon Court of Appeals affirmed Wednesday. The state Bureau of Labor and Industries ordered the penalty in 2013, saying the bar violated a law that prohibits discrimination based on gender, sexual orientation or gender identity." http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-bar-must-pay-400k-banned-transgender-customers-appeals-court-n432566 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-bar-must-pay-400k-banned-transgender-customers-appeals-court-n432566)
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'emotional suffering' is serious business..
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the mistake they made was giving a reason why they didn't want to make the cake.
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its just a simple cake with 2 girls names on in it. not like the dikes are asking for a special made cake with a vagina on it
but then again when white people "stand up" for the beliefs they dont give 2 fucks and would take it to the extreme every time
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its just a simple cake with 2 girls names on in it. not like the dikes are asking for a special made cake with a vagina on it
but then again when white people "stand up" for the beliefs they dont give 2 fucks and would take it to the extreme every time
It's not a white people issue.
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I look forward to the Muslim bakery that has to pay a fine for the same offense. They don't serve homos either.
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the mistake they made was giving a reason why they didn't want to make the cake.
Exactly, just give them a ridiculous fee for making the damn cake (like they do with blacks and latinos) :o
WooSHHHHHHH
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I look forward to the Muslim bakery that has to pay a fine for the same offense. They don't serve homos either.
Would that be a good thing or evidence as to how much they have in common with our own fundamentalists?
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I look forward to the Muslim bakery that has to pay a fine for the same offense. They don't serve homos either.
Capitalizing "muslim" is un-American, commie.
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'emotional suffering' is serious business..
must be living in a one room flat with your little trophy :D living on the Berry de Mey Gym times ???
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Out of business now.
Also I don't even think the money went to the lesbian couple, I think it was just a fine by the state. Not an actual lawsuit.
Actually the money did go to the couple
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$135,000 for refusing to serve someone? :o
All this does is give more incentive to fags/dykes to sue people/businesses when they feel they've been discriminated against.
Only 5% of the total population and they have more rights than straight people have. ::) ???
The bakery originally agreed to do the wedding, both ladies were friends at the time. However, on the day of the wedding, she told her that she didn't bake it because of religious beliefs which pretty much fucked up the wedding when you have to go get one at last minute.
The couple only wanted an apology and instead the bakery pretty much tells them to kick rocks along with refusing to give them a refund...that's the reason for the lawsuit and federal complaint and it would not have been that much if they had not decided to fight the whole case.
Point being, they fucked themselves doing that. A simple apology would have prevented the whole thin. g However, they raised close to a million dollars so the fine is a drop in the bucket
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if this does not make you wana march and boot all democrats from all office then I don't know what will.
Extreme facism!!! WTF
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I guess I have the right to buy a cake now!
lmao, USA the land of the PC, whiny safe space cry babies and the entitled.
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I gave up fighting the gay agenda, LOL!
Was it a starter Dick like coach or an advance dick like wiggs? (Yes homo)
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lol only in America...
No, it happened in Northern Ireland too... and it is complete bullying of people (often religious) who disagree with gay marriage. If you own a business you can say fuck off I will not sell you something - would a black owned bakery be forced to sell a cake saying "white power"? Let's say the company was called white power (some odd electric company). You can force that and sue if they don't make it?
It is bullying because there are a 1000 other cake shoops you could go to, just give them a shitty online review and give your money to someone else.
I hope the cake shop got the money for the cake - I would send them a bill to piss them off, despite losing 135k.
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No, it happened in Northern Ireland too... and it is complete bullying of people (often religious) who disagree with gay marriage. If you own a business you can say fuck off I will not sell you something - would a black owned bakery be forced to sell a cake saying "white power"? Let's say the company was called white power (some odd electric company). You can force that and sue if they don't make it?
It is bullying because there are a 1000 other cake shoops you could go to, just give them a shitty online review and give your money to someone else.
I hope the cake shop got the money for the cake - I would send them a bill to piss them off, despite losing 135k.
No.
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Interesting.
On the one hand:
A 2007 Oregon law protects the rights of gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people in employment, housing and public accommodations. The state ruled it also bars private businesses from discriminating against potential customers.
If a business knows the above law, then they either: (1) have to serve all people, or (2) not open a business if their religious background is going to violate the law, (3) open up a business, but realize that if they refuse to serve the LGBT community, this will result in damages, or (3) attempt to overturn the law.
Whether or not I agree with the law is besides the point. As business owners, they should have known this law and followed it. They didn't and were penalized.
and that pretty much sums it up.
nothing to see here people, move along, get outraged if you will...
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It's not a white people issue.
yes it is white people made homos cool and its natural. gay rights all started in white countries
they went to war with the government and police so they have the free right to be openly gay and be treated equal
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yes it is white people made homos cool and its natural. gay rights all started in white countries
they went to war with the government and police so they have the free right to be openly gay and be treated equal
That's just because in 3rd world countries gays get totured ant killed. Freedom is great.
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The bakery cats were idiots. Take their money, bake them a shit cake, laugh as you spend their money, the end.
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Have your ideals and keep them close in your house and church but the Business of America is Business! Make that money. Make them the best cake you can so they get all their friends to come buy from you. Increase your sales. When your conservative friends ask you how you can do it you tell them that you disagree with the lifestyle but believe in forgiveness...it's what Jesus would do. Now they think you're awesome and tell their friends. More Money!
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the mistake they made was giving a reason why they didn't want to make the cake.
Maybe, but I suspect the burden of proof in these cases lie with the proprietor. Even if they'd told their clientele that they were swamped and could not take on another job and offended ladies questioned this, the shop owner better be prepared to back up their statement to prove there was no intent to discriminate.
Personally, I have a lot of mixed feelings about this issue. On the one hand, I think business owners should be allowed to decide who they want or don't want to serve. On the other hand, I don't like discrimination and many of these folks and others have been discriminated against for a very long time. Discrimination perpetuates negative feelings about certain groups of people and it is hateful and cruel.
This is one of those issues that has no easy or absolute answers.
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yes it is white people made homos cool and its natural. gay rights all started in white countries
they went to war with the government and police so they have the free right to be openly gay and be treated equal
Are you a white person?
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If I dont want to train somebody I overcharge, its easy to lose a customer, its stupid to stand up and asked to be sued
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Maybe, but I suspect the burden of proof in these cases lie with the proprietor. Even if they'd told their clientele that they were swamped and could not take on another job and offended ladies questioned this, the shop owner better be prepared to back up their statement to prove there was no intent to discriminate.
Personally, I have a lot of mixed feelings about this issue. On the one hand, I think business owners should be allowed to decide who they want or don't want to serve. On the other hand, I don't like discrimination and many of these folks and others have been discriminated against for a very long time. Discrimination perpetuates negative feelings about certain groups of people and it is hateful and cruel.
This is one of those issues that has no easy or absolute answers.
Lol, he could have just said the customer was rude to him in the shop and he didnt want to make the cake.
He could have come up with a million reasons rather than waffling on about homosexuality.
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Have your ideals and keep them close in your house and church but the Business of America is Business! Make that money. Make them the best cake you can so they get all their friends to come buy from you. Increase your sales. When your conservative friends ask you how you can do it you tell them that you disagree with the lifestyle but believe in forgiveness...it's what Jesus would do. Now they think you're awesome and tell their friends. More Money!
It depends if you view natural law as above man made law as religious people (and some secular people at times) do. It was law to discriminate against Jews in Germany in 1930s to 40s but some people objected on conscience. You can say this is dofferent but to them it may be akin to something a normal person considers morally wrong. Just go to another bakery.
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Some people put their money where their mouth is, even when it isn't popular in contemporary "culture."
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Some people put their money where their mouth is, even when it isn't popular in contemporary "culture."
Did their community of supporters donate enough to offset the loss?
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Did their community of supporters donate enough to offset the loss?
I haven't researched that. Some people probably offered support.
While I would gladly accept any money offered, given the couple's stated convictions, I wonder whether they would accept any offered support, or if they would look at paying this fine as "rendering unto Caesar what is Casear's"
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I haven't researched that. Some people probably offered support.
While I would gladly accept any money offered, given the couple's stated convictions, I wonder whether they would accept any offered support, or if they would look at paying this fine as "rendering unto Caesar what is Casear's"
That refers to taxes.
This couple was fined. It's wholly different and no rational person would attempt to make that specific verse suit their needs.
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Thread changed my mind. At first, I thought: Good, fuck 'em.
Upon reflection, no. Living in a free society means having the right to be an irrationally biased dickhead against anyone you want and it isn't the government's place to dictate who you have to take as a client. If I don't like your shoes then that's reason enough, and I shouldn't have to be cagey about it and pretend like I'm too busy. I don't like your shoes. That's that. So piss off. My penalty is the lost income. End of story.
Won't but ought to be a meme. "Hey, do what you want but I'm not gonna bake you a cake over it."
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Thread changed my mind. At first, I thought: Good, fuck 'em.
Upon reflection, no. Living in a free society means having the right to be irrationally biased against anyone you want and it isn't the government's place to dictate who you have to take as a client. If I don't like your shoes then that's reason enough, and I shouldn't have to be cagey about it and pretend like I'm too busy. I don't like your shoes. That's that. So piss off. My penalty is the lost income. End of story.
Won't but ought to be a meme. "Hey, do what you want but I'm not gonna bake you a cake over it."
I wish it were that simple.
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But the winning angle on this story is that most people getting married are straight and most pastry chefs are gay as the day is long.
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That refers to taxes.
This couple was fined. It's wholly different and no rational person would attempt to make that specific verse suit their needs.
You can see it that way; I'm simply saying that the people involved may invoke the "Caesar" angle to their situation.
They may not consider themselves bound by "reason" and they may be glad to pay the fine.
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As punishment the shop owners should be force to make nothing but gay cakes for a year. :D
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7e/a2/57/7ea257f1a1edc4eff2489354e3d3a634.jpg)
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http://www.kptv.com/story/30842773/oregon-bakery-owners-pay-135k-in-gay-wedding-cake-case (http://www.kptv.com/story/30842773/oregon-bakery-owners-pay-135k-in-gay-wedding-cake-case)
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Lol, he could have just said the customer was rude to him in the shop and he didnt want to make the cake.
He could have come up with a million reasons rather than waffling on about homosexuality.
You may be right, but I suspect that whatever the reasons, you have to be ready to defend them.
Personally, I could care less who wants to get married as long as they are both adults.
I don't get how baking a cake or not has this much meaning for some people. If I were a baker, my goal would be to sell cakes not judge the folks who are buying them.
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You may be right, but I suspect that whatever the reasons, you have to be ready to defend them.
Personally, I could care less who wants to get married as long as they are both adults.
I don't get how baking a cake or not has this much meaning for some people. If I were a baker, my goal would be to sell cakes not judge the folks who are buying them.
Exactly.
It's was them trying to push their believes on the gay couple.
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Exactly.
It's was them trying to push their believes on the gay couple.
This is correct.
Any normal business person prays to the alter of the almighty dollar.
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You may be right, but I suspect that whatever the reasons, you have to be ready to defend them.
Personally, I could care less who wants to get married as long as they are both adults.
I don't get how baking a cake or not has this much meaning for some people. If I were a baker, my goal would be to sell cakes not judge the folks who are buying them.
Let's take this to an abstract situation:
Would you supply the firewood to an execution where someone was burned alive?
I would not. If it were legal? OK, let the shareholders talk - why do no pharma companies supply the USA with sodium pentobarbitol for executions anymore? Money...
Yes, money talks, often louder than morality, but you can see how people may find something objectionable - when there are 1000 other businesses offering the same service (this is not an emergency medical procedure, it is a cake...why get so angry that one person won't make a cake for you?).
It would not bother me, or 95% of people, but why force the 5% who object to do something they feel is morally reprehensible? That is just bullying in my view.
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You can see it that way; I'm simply saying that the people involved may invoke the "Caesar" angle to their situation.
They may not consider themselves bound by "reason" and they may be glad to pay the fine.
I wrote rational, LOL!
Yes. There are dimwits who pretend random verses suit every situation but that's more a case of being willfully ignorant than religious.
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Let's take this to an abstract situation:
Would you supply the firewood to an execution where someone was burned alive?
I would not. If it were legal? OK, let the shareholders talk - why do no pharma companies supply the USA with sodium pentobarbitol for executions anymore? Money...
Yes, money talks, often louder than morality, but you can see how people may find something objectionable - when there are 1000 other businesses offering the same service (this is not an emergency medical procedure, it is a cake...why get so angry that one person won't make a cake for you?).
It would not bother me, or 95% of people, but why force the 5% who object to do something they feel is morally reprehensible? That is just bullying in my view.
Burning people at the stake compared to baking a cake is a big stretch. People don't often die from cake, unless they are Marie Antoinette...."let them eat cake!"
I am for business owner rights. The problem with discrimination is where does it stop?
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Burning people at the stake compared to baking a cake is a big stretch. People don't often die from cake, unless they are Marie Antoinette...."let them eat cake!"
I am for business owner rights. The problem with discrimination is where does it stop?
I would sell a cake to them in a heartbeat. Money money money. If it said death to infidels... I would not. Now turn your moral compass to what these folk believe (rightly or wrongly) and you have same dilemma. To them it is wrong... they are a private, not a public business (like the woman who refused to grant marriage licences)....
I just think it is bullying of Christians by gay people here. Yes, I did say that. There must have been so many bakeries who would have done the cake gladly yet they sued the one that did not. Why? To make a point? Bullshit. To show them they can get what they want. I have entered a store and been treated as a lesser person than someone in a suit when i had €1,000 in my pocket to spend on a suit. I left store went to a different shop and was treated well and bought my suit there. I won, that shop won, idiot first shop lost. Great.
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I would sell a cake to them in a heartbeat. Money money money. If it said death to infidels... I would not. Now turn your moral compass to what these folk believe (rightly or wrongly) and you have same dilemma. To them it is wrong... they are a private, not a public business (like the woman who refused to grant marriage licences)....
I just think it is bullying of Christians by gay people here. Yes, I did say that. There must have been so many bakeries who would have done the cake gladly yet they sued the one that did not. Why? To make a point? Bullshit. To show them they can get what they want. I have entered a store and been treated as a lesser person than someone in a suit when i had €1,000 in my pocket to spend on a suit. I left store went to a different shop and was treated well and bought my suit there. I won, that shop won, idiot first shop lost. Great.
I've done the same as you many times when shopping. I expect good service, when I don't get it, I go elsewhere to shop. If I were marrying another guy and was refused a cake because of this, I would consider that bad service and move on. Most often the bride and groom pick the cake together. If a groom and groom or the bride and bride did this, it would be obvious to the baker that it was a same sex marriage from the start.
A new law went into effect today in Oregon relating to same-sex marriage: The words "husband and wife" will no longer appear in state marriage statutes. They'll be replaced with "spouses in a legal marriage."
The part that is not mentioned is timing. When ordering a wedding cake it must be done with some advance notice. This was not the first time the women had been at the bakery. I don't remember if they'd already ordered the cake and were refused it at the time of pickup or there otherwise was not enough time to go elsewhere.
I have little doubt that these women intended to cause a ruckus by hollering illegal discrimination. The fact that they accepted money from the baker makes me wonder if they weren't opportunist. I'm presuming the women kept the money. If they'd donated it, it would have been better and their complaint seemed more legitimate.
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I would sell a cake to them in a heartbeat. Money money money. If it said death to infidels... I would not. Now turn your moral compass to what these folk believe (rightly or wrongly) and you have same dilemma. To them it is wrong... they are a private, not a public business (like the woman who refused to grant marriage licences)....
I just think it is bullying of Christians by gay people here. Yes, I did say that. There must have been so many bakeries who would have done the cake gladly yet they sued the one that did not. Why? To make a point? Bullshit. To show them they can get what they want. I have entered a store and been treated as a lesser person than someone in a suit when i had €1,000 in my pocket to spend on a suit. I left store went to a different shop and was treated well and bought my suit there. I won, that shop won, idiot first shop lost. Great.
She needed the extra marriage licenses for herself, LOL!
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One other court still has judgement to hand down to the folks in this case.
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One other court still has judgement to hand down to the folks in this case.
If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?
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If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?
To provide folks with a righteous judgement as outlined in scripture, help them understand the Lord's standards and give them time to repent and surrender humbly before God. To share with them the good news that final judgement of God need not be.
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To provide folks with a righteous judgement as outlined in scripture, help them understand the Lord's standards and give them time to repent and surrender humbly before God. To share with them the good news that final judgement of God need not be.
Not your job.
IIRC, the Bible says something about people being able to see God in us by how we live. I'm getting old, with bad memory, so it's hard to remember if Jesus admonished folks about driving people away from God with religion.
It's the old age. :)
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If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?
That court (heaven/god) does not exist. It only exists in MOS's pea-size brain. :D :D
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If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?
I've wondered this myself.
I think they were referring to a pending court ruling. The courts are non-denominational.
A few people I know, who are generally good people and are Christians, are way too quick to pass judgment on others. Maybe it comes from their particular religion's doctrine or just a personal belief that they are somehow better than others.
Almost everyone judges another at some point in their lives. It's when they either vocalize or publish that judgment that it is most hurtful.
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To provide folks with a righteous judgement as outlined in scripture, help them understand the Lord's standards and give them time to repent and surrender humbly before God. To share with them the good news that final judgement of God need not be.
I believe it is best if they mind their own business unless asked for an opinion.
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Not your job.
IIRC, the Bible says something about people being able to see God in us by how we live. I'm getting old, with bad memory, so it's hard to remember if Jesus admonished folks about driving people away from God with religion.
It's the old age. :)
The Bible is folklore.
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The Bible is folklore.
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Someone who really believes doesn't have to make the entire world conform in order to feel their faith isn't threatened.
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Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Someone who really believes doesn't have to make the entire world conform in order to feel their faith isn't threatened.
I agree. Unfortunately, human nature encourages us to want to share things which we believe are good. This is one of the basis of cult followings. Other factors are gullibility and some folks' need to belong or fit in.
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The Bible is folklore.
How you know?
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How you know?
Because it was first written 400 years after the event, most of itis total horseshit (can you imagine someone in 2400 saying David Blaine levitated and made an elephant disappear (different magician same point)?
Noone made wine into blood or bread into flesh or broke the laws of physics and made 40 of something from one. Take the good parts like love thy neighbour (ok i told them never to park outside my house again but...) and don't kill and it is ok. Just don't pull a Wiggs and start quoting it like a proven theorem.
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Because it was first written 400 years after the event, most of itis total horseshit (can you imagine someone in 2400 saying David Blaine levitated and made an elephant disappear (different magician same point)?
Noone made wine into blood or bread into flesh or broke the laws of physics and made 40 of something from one. Take the good parts like love thy neighbour (ok i told them never to park outside my house again but...) and don't kill and it is ok. Just don't pull a Wiggs and start quoting it like a proven theorem.
You aware that The Dead Sea Scrolls contained scripture from the Old Testament . Those date 1,000 years older than any writings we have? And the fact the there was more then 1 writer?
And you still didn't answer the question. ::)
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More PC bullshit ::)
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You aware that The Dead Sea Scrolls contained scripture from the Old Testament . Those date 1,000 years older than any writings we have? And the fact the there was more then 1 writer?
And you still didn't answer the question. ::)
I don't think anyone would say that the Old Testament doesn't have some things that were surely passed down from person to person through the ages.
The Bible has some very old stories that are possibly true in general, if not completely accurate.
The New Testament, whether or not you believe in Jesus and miracles or what not certainly has good things to read in regards to life lessons.
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You aware that The Dead Sea Scrolls contained scripture from the Old Testament . Those date 1,000 years older than any writings we have? And the fact the there was more then 1 writer?
And you still didn't answer the question. ::)
If the question is how do I know, it is because it is physically impossible as stated above, the same as shoving 2 of every animal on a boat is. I tried not to be offensive about it, bit I could be if you are thay dumb of a shit to to think ot happened. Should i be stoned for me apostacy? Or fornicating outside marriage? You stupid fuck.
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If the question is how do I know, it is because it is physically impossible as stated above, the same as shoving 2 of every animal on a boat is. I tried not to be offensive about it, bit I could be if you are thay dumb of a shit to to think ot happened. Should i be stoned for me apostacy? Or fornicating outside marriage? You stupid fuck.
Are you an omnipresent being? If not, your just spewing allegations about a distant era that coincides with a point of view predetermined by your family, society or molestation by your father. This same goes for all historical events.
You have no right to say anybody's religious doctrine is wrong or right. Regardless on how sore your daddy left your asshole. You self righteous elitist fuck. ;)
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Are you an omnipresent being? If not, your just spewing allegations about a distant era that coincides with a point of view predetermined by your family, society or molestation by your father. This same goes for all historical events.
You have no right to say anybody's religious doctrine is wrong or right. Regardless on how sore your daddy left your asshole. You self righteous elitist fuck. ;)
I am not an omnipresent being, my point of view is determined by education (scientific and historic).
I can say a doctrine is wrong if it is obviously false.
Someone walked on water? Ok, show me the relative density of humans and water and the surface are covered by feet and the displacement using Archimedes' principles. How is it possible? It is not. It is not repeatable either. Do you believe in Bigfoot cos some bellend conspiracy dipshit said it?
I have every right to say a doctrine is wrong if that doctrine espouses falsities and blatant mistruths, not to mention completely inhumane punishments (stoning, death for minor crimes etc).
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I don't think anyone would say that the Old Testament doesn't have some things that were surely passed down from person to person through the ages.
The Bible has some very old stories that are possibly true in general, if not completely accurate.
The New Testament, whether or not you believe in Jesus and miracles or what not certainly has good things to read in regards to life lessons.
The Bible, like almost all written material, is open to various interpretations. As you point out, there is much that can be taken from the Bible that is good. Unfortunately, some groups of people have used it and other ancient religious doctrines as excuses to fight with and murder those who hold different beliefs. More blood has been and is currently being shed in the name of religion than any other reason.
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I am not an omnipresent being, my point of view is determined by education (scientific and historic).
I can say a doctrine is wrong if it is obviously false.
Someone walked on water? Ok, show me the relative density of humans and water and the surface are covered by feet and the displacement using Archimedes' principles. How is it possible? It is not. It is not repeatable either. Do you believe in Bigfoot cos some bellend conspiracy dipshit said it?
I have every right to say a doctrine is wrong if that doctrine espouses falsities and blatant mistruths, not to mention completely inhumane punishments (stoning, death for minor crimes etc).
Agreed.
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I am not an omnipresent being, my point of view is determined by education (scientific and historic).
I can say a doctrine is wrong if it is obviously false.
Someone walked on water? Ok, show me the relative density of humans and water and the surface are covered by feet and the displacement using Archimedes' principles. How is it possible? It is not. It is not repeatable either. Do you believe in Bigfoot cos some bellend conspiracy dipshit said it?
I have every right to say a doctrine is wrong if that doctrine espouses falsities and blatant mistruths, not to mention completely inhumane punishments (stoning, death for minor crimes etc).
Many religions suggest we should accept these fantastic anomalies "on faith". I'm not inclined to be that gullible.