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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Newbie06 on March 16, 2006, 12:56:23 PM
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Hello! I have to repost this here since I've tried to get some advice in the Female Fitness section and obviously people are not too eager to help. So hoping to get some help from you guys here. But please I need someone who knows this subject when it comes to women. THANKS!
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I am new to the industry and though I have been training for sometime, I am a tall girl and thus my look is somewhat slim and long-muscled. I am planning on competing after having done a few shows and getting the same advice - add some size as I do not look thick enough. So I was wondering if any of you could tell me exactly how I should take the following:
1. Clen
2. Anavar
3. Anything else - for cutting and size?
I know this should really be in the Steroids section but then I will be getting all the guys giving me their advices and I wanted to make sure that it will be looked by the women.
A couple of friends of mine who are guys have suggested that I start with Clen to cut and Anavar to add some size. Also, GH was suggested.
I need to know exactly how to take it - every day or every other day? and for how long (6-8 weeks on and then 6-8 off?) Also, can I start taking both Clen and Anavar at the same time or should I start with Clen first and then add Anavar a month later?
I hope to hear from those of you who have had experience with these and know what they are talking about. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all!
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Tell me you are kidding.....
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Post stats, i.e. weight, height, cycle experience, etc.
Very common cycle for women is anavar, winny and clen maybe t-3
My understanding is that you are doing figure, am I correct? Unless you want to be a female BB I'd stay away from just about anything else.
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Newbie, Just wondering have you done any research on any of this? Or are you going just by what you've heard so far?
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psst yeah
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Nothing is mentioned about diet or cardio.....
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Post stats, i.e. weight, height, cycle experience, etc.
Very common cycle for women is anavar, winny and clen maybe t-3
My understanding is that you are doing figure, am I correct? Unless you want to be a female BB I'd stay away from just about anything else.
Yes I am in figure. However, I would think you are not blind and are wise enough to recognize that it is not all natural even though people don’t talk about it candidly. It is unfortunate, but even in figure girls are on gear…not sure what happened to that “let’s create this division so that it is all feminine and much less muscular look.” If you check out the pro girls on even national level competitors, you should be able to see that the physiques have been altered to that level by usage of drugs. I’ve competed and been around the athletes enough to know what is really going on. Guys, no need for that “are you kidding?” or “you should stay away from any drugs” talk. I wish I didn’t have to but then I am in a fairly big disadvantage if I use nothing else but Glut and BCAA’s to supplement.
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Nothing is mentioned about diet or cardio.....
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My stats: 5’ 7”, 138, around 18%. When competing I was at 123-124 with 8-9%. I want to lean out to about 15% and then work on adding some size for 3-6 months as I would like to shoot for a comp some time Sep-Nov.
My diet is clean as I've used to it while prepping for the show. So is my training routine - I do 5-6 days of cardio (30 min in the morning and 15-20 at night b/4 weight training). My split:
M - Back
T - Legs
W - Shoulders/Bis
Th - Chest/Tris
F - Legs
Any solid advice would be greatly appreciated!
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My stats: 5’ 7”, 138, around 18%. When competing I was at 123-124 with 8-9%. I want to lean out to about 15% and then work on adding some size for 3-6 months as I would like to shoot for a comp some time Sep-Nov.
My diet is clean as I've used to it while prepping for the show. So is my training routine - I do 5-6 days of cardio (30 min in the morning and 15-20 at night b/4 weight training). My split:
M - Back
T - Legs
W - Shoulders/Bis
Th - Chest/Tris
F - Legs
Any solid advice would be greatly appreciated!
don't get over concerned with drug useage & up your cardio.
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I know this should really be in the Steroids section but then I will be getting all the guys giving me their advices and I wanted to make sure that it will be looked by the women.
First of all, there are no women that I know of who post here, so that is out.
I can build a cycle for you, but I'd have to be extremely careful as I have no idea what your genetic predisposition is to the drugs. Since you are determined to us AAS and other ancillaries, I'm not about to convince you otherwise.
Send me via e-mail a picture of you off-season and contest shape and tell me what you want to bring up and we can go from there.
I don't feel comfortable blindly advising you what to take when I have no idea what you look like. PM me and we can discuss it.
DIV
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Yes I am in figure. However, I would think you are not blind and are wise enough to recognize that it is not all natural even though people don’t talk about it candidly. It is unfortunate, but even in figure girls are on gear…
I agree, AAS is part of the figure world just as it is in the competitive BB world, both male and female. The drugs I listed are however the most prevalent in the figure and fitness circles...I may be wrong, but I don't believe you would find too many figure or fitness competitors using test or GH.
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I agree, AAS is part of the figure world just as it is in the competitive BB world, both male and female. The drugs I listed are however the most prevalent in the figure and fitness circles...I may be wrong, but I don't believe you would find too many figure or fitness competitors using test or GH.
You are wrong, babyArnold.
I know of several women in figure who use low dose Test. I'm sure some use GH in small amounts as well. The women have caught on, it's a whole new game.
DIV
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I'm with DIV, I'd have to see photos, on & off & what your health issues are in your family tree, etc.
Welcome to the board btw
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You are wrong, babyArnold.
I know of several women in figure who use low dose Test. I'm sure some use GH in small amounts as well. The women have caught on, it's a whole new game.
DIV
Like I've said before, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, no problem admitting it when I am wrong. My knowledge in this is based simply on the handful of friends I have who compete in the figure and fitness world. The ones that I know who use AAS typically stick with the compounds I listed and those seem to be the ones I typically hear them talking about. I’ll say this though, this topic has got me a little more interested in digging a little deeper in this matter. Of my small group of female friends who do use AAS I know for fact that none of them use test but I would like and will get some more info from them concerning what their fellow competitors take.
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Like I've said before, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, no problem admitting it when I am wrong. My knowledge in this is based simply on the handful of friends I have who compete in the figure and fitness world. The ones that I know who use AAS typically stick with the compounds I listed and those seem to be the ones I typically hear them talking about. I’ll say this though, this topic has got me a little more interested in digging a little deeper in this matter. Of my small group of female friends who do use AAS I know for fact that none of them use test but I would like and will get some more info from them concerning what their fellow competitors take.
Problem is getting their friends to admit to using Test. It's a taboo for women to admit what they take in the first place. Jodi Miller knows women who take a variety of substances but she isn't telling me, of course. Eh......it doesn't matter. I can see which women are and which aren't. The signs and symptoms are evident.
DIV
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The 7 figure girls in the most recent Arnold classic (top 7) 5 of them use GH. Very light doses 3-4IU's, but that is a little much for them. Some of the girls had extra cartilage in the forhead :o, etc....Sorry AJ, DIV is right.
The girl competing isn't serious enough. The reason she has a problem winning the top 2 spots is because she is wasting muscle, and her diet is awful. If she is using the same diet that got her to a show, the diet obviously it sucks-or she wouldn't be here asking for help. I WOULD ask to see her diet first. Change her cardio to sprint training, and have her trained by someone in the know. Developing her lagging bodyparts comes from powerlifting to develop her muscles into round bellies. Then if that didn't work we could talk about gear. For right now she needs to train harder.JMO
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First of all, there are no women that I know of who post here, so that is out.
I can build a cycle for you, but I'd have to be extremely careful as I have no idea what your genetic predisposition is to the drugs. Since you are determined to us AAS and other ancillaries, I'm not about to convince you otherwise.
Send me via e-mail a picture of you off-season and contest shape and tell me what you want to bring up and we can go from there.
I don't feel comfortable blindly advising you what to take when I have no idea what you look like. PM me and we can discuss it.
DIV.... whay werent you this nice to me?? :(
DIV
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The 7 figure girls in the most recent Arnold classic (top 7) 5 of them use GH. Very light doses 3-4IU's, but that is a little much for them. Some of the girls had extra cartilage in the forhead :o, etc....Sorry AJ, DIV is right.
You state these as facts...how do you know this and how do you know their exact dosages? Have you actually had face to face talks with some of these girls about this?
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The girl competing isn't serious enough. The reason she has a problem winning the top 2 spots is because she is wasting muscle, and her diet is awful. If she is using the same diet that got her to a show, the diet obviously it sucks-or she wouldn't be here asking for help. I WOULD ask to see her diet first. Change her cardio to sprint training, and have her trained by someone in the know. Developing her lagging bodyparts comes from powerlifting to develop her muscles into round bellies. Then if that didn't work we could talk about gear. For right now she needs to train harder.JMO
^That's why I didn't give her any cycle advice.
Too many variables I can't place, not comfortable just throwing out a cycle like that for a woman without knowing everything.
I'm saving her from herself.
DIV
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Yes, I am stating facts, not just giving my thoughts. Arnold, I will give you this: The person in charge of their programs
works closely with the supplement company I work for. I get to travel to Cali every month to visit the "doctor". Div, the "doctor" agrees with you about the mildness of the cycle. The "doctor" is the cousin of the trainer. Once you on the "in" with these guys, word travels fast. I also see some of these girls when I am there (not that the previous statement implies anything). The same code of honor that travels with this board is the same code of honor expected of me.
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Yes, I am stating facts, not just giving my thoughts. Arnold, I will give you this: The person in charge of their programs
works closely with the supplement company I work for. I get to travel to Cali every month to visit the "doctor". Div, the "doctor" agrees with you about the mildness of the cycle. The "doctor" is the cousin of the trainer. Once you on the "in" with these guys, word travels fast. I also see some of these girls when I am there (not that the previous statement implies anything). The same code of honor that travels with this board is the same code of honor expected of me.
So why don't you have that doctor prescribe you something that is on the market and save you the trouble of sources?
Have him prescribed you Halo, Anavar, Deca, Test.....etc.
It can be done. I've had doctors prescribe me Halotestin before.
DIV
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Div, I am being a pussy. Haven't you figured that yet ??? I just wanted to see how I would do. I already have a short temper (short dude syndrome), and I wanted to see if there is truth to being capable to go without the use of gear. So this run was a test run. I am doing fine so far, and will post the results of my endeavors. I am not one to just take anything.\
Halo? That's one of the top worse things for the liver.
Because when I went I already started gear, I told him of my situation, and he said come back when I was finished to check and see my levels and crap. I didn't know I was going to get hired. Now that I am, I will have a prescrip for gear. Just weird timing.
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"Some of the girls had extra cartilage in the forhead"
That sounds attractive. Maybe they will grow a unibrow to complete the look.
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The 7 figure girls in the most recent Arnold classic (top 7) 5 of them use GH. Very light doses 3-4IU's, but that is a little much for them. Some of the girls had extra cartilage in the forhead :o, etc....Sorry AJ, DIV is right.
The girl competing isn't serious enough. The reason she has a problem winning the top 2 spots is because she is wasting muscle, and her diet is awful. If she is using the same diet that got her to a show, the diet obviously it sucks-or she wouldn't be here asking for help. I WOULD ask to see her diet first. Change her cardio to sprint training, and have her trained by someone in the know. Developing her lagging bodyparts comes from powerlifting to develop her muscles into round bellies. Then if that didn't work we could talk about gear. For right now she needs to train harder.JMO
LTP, you don't personally know me, so your statements of my seriousness and dedication to this sport can't be more far from the truth...but appreciate your input anyhow...BB is an individual sport and unless you decide to go and bast your ass in the gym and eat what sometimes you don't feel like eating, then you can be called one of those average Joes that just try to stay in shape and not serious enough... I know how to train and what dieting is all about. The reason why I posted on here is just for the fact that DIV and others have already concurred - Pro girls are on gear. What? Can't they just diet and do extra sprint training? Come on now! If I needed that "eat better and train harder" advice, I would post on the "Naturals" forum and not in the "Steroids" section. And you guys can't expect me to post my photos here. Many are being anonymous on the board, even some pros... I am going to compete in the future and no need for "Oh, wait, wasn't that you on the BB board asking for some "help?" Come on, I am not stupid. I gave you my stats hoping to hear some useful information. Why is it any different then when you giving each other advices on what stuff to take in what dosages, how to cycle, etc just when someone say "hey bro, I am this tall and weigh this much, been doing this, blah blah, what do I do next?"
Anyway, I would appreciate the help from any of you who may have girlfriends who are using or have been personally exposed to women who were on the substances I've mentioned.
Thanks to all with useful advice!
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My stats: 5’ 7”, 138, around 18%. When competing I was at 123-124 with 8-9%. I want to lean out to about 15% and then work on adding some size for 3-6 months as I would like to shoot for a comp some time Sep-Nov.
My diet is clean as I've used to it while prepping for the show. So is my training routine - I do 5-6 days of cardio (30 min in the morning and 15-20 at night b/4 weight training). My split:
M - Back
T - Legs
W - Shoulders/Bis
Th - Chest/Tris
F - Legs
Any solid advice would be greatly appreciated!
use as much testosterone and anadrol as you can.
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use as much testosterone and anadrol as you can.
Aw, thank you thoughtful soul! I am sure it's been doing wonders for you...
God sarcasm! For the 1000th time you prove what a worseless individual you are on this board!
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Halo? That's one of the top worse things for the liver.
Because when I went I already started gear, I told him of my situation, and he said come back when I was finished to check and see my levels and crap. I didn't know I was going to get hired. Now that I am, I will have a prescrip for gear. Just weird timing.
Halotestin is a 17AA like most of the other AAS orals.
Like anything, moderation is key.
Since you have scripts for gear you are ahead of the game.
Many are being anonymous on the board, even some pros... I am going to compete in the future and no need for "Oh, wait, wasn't that you on the BB board asking for some "help?" Come on, I am not stupid. I gave you my stats hoping to hear some useful information. Why is it any different then when you giving each other advices on what stuff to take in what dosages, how to cycle, etc just when someone say "hey bro, I am this tall and weigh this much, been doing this, blah blah, what do I do next?"
Look, I already explained to you while I'm not giving you any advice. It is NOT the same. You are a female and me giving you advice without full knowledge of your situation is just not responsible. There is no room for error with females so I'm not going to just throw out general advice like I would with a guy. Of course I know women who have used and I also know basic low dose cycles for women, but I'm not going to do it blindly. Unless I actually know the woman I won't recommend anything.
DIV
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Look, I already explained to you while I'm not giving you any advice. It is NOT the same. You are a female and me giving you advice without full knowledge of your situation is just not responsible. There is no room for error with females so I'm not going to just throw out general advice like I would with a guy. Of course I know women who have used and I also know basic low dose cycles for women, but I'm not going to do it blindly. Unless I actually know the woman I won't recommend anything.
DIV
DIV, I know you did and I appreciate you getting back to me via PM. Don't get mad at me. Like I told you as well, I am not stupid to post/email photos of me on here. That's why I asked you what else besides that and the stats I'd already provided one would need to know to advise on a cycle. Please don't tell me that a lack of my photos is the major factor why you would not be able to give me some advice...It's OK though...If you can't, you can't. I am getting in touch with people on Mayhem and them lacking my picture does not seem to be a stop factor...Thanks, man for all of your input so far!
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Please don't tell me that a lack of my photos is the major factor why you would not be able to give me some advice...It's OK though...If you can't, you can't. I am getting in touch with people on Mayhem and them lacking my picture does not seem to be a stop factor...Thanks, man for all of your input so far!
I'm not getting mad at all. I don't care what you look like, personally. The reasoning for pics is that stats don't really say much about your physique, what you need to bring up and how AAS will help in that regard. Bodybuilding/fitness is a beauty pageant more than anything. You giving me stats doesn't mean anything.
As far as Mayhem......eh.....good luck. Those jokers are not really the type of help you need. You would be best served by asking female competitors who can relate to you better. I know for a fact tha Melissa Dettwhiler (she posts on Getbig) uses AAS, but I can't really say she's the one you need to be asking for advice.
Look at her physique and judge for yourself. There are many women in the fitness industry who use, getting them to talk about their cycles is another matter entirely.
DIV
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Wait a minute, upon reading Newbie's last post, it sounds like you haven't even been on stage. It sounds like you are a true rookie asking for help, who ain't even put in their time in the gym. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TRAINING IS CHICKA, YOU DON'T KNOW WINNING-BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO BE A WINNER. Come talk to me after you win a show, and after the show the direutics you took earlier start making you cramp so bad you tear your hamstring, both quads, and lose feeling in one hand for 1 week. Get the hell outta here, you don't know winning. Try donating blood just to make weight, because you can't sit in the sauna anymore because your nose bleeds and you no longer sweat. Tough baby, that's how we do in the sticks chick, and that's MR. LTP to you (ma gangsta name).
I can't believe your crying about chicken breast. Wait till you hit a nerve throwing darts.
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You would be best served by asking female competitors who can relate to you better. I know for a fact tha Melissa Dettwhiler (she posts on Getbig) uses AAS, but I can't really say she's the one you need to be asking for advice.
Look at her physique and judge for yourself. There are many women in the fitness industry who use, getting them to talk about their cycles is another matter entirely.
DIV
Well, Melissa is a BB and though I do like her physique, I am not sure she would be able to give me solid adivce as to dosages since I am in figure. Plus, maybe you guys got me wrong about this whole "trying our some "help" thing here. I am not going to be like some of you who once start are hooked on it forever and as time passes, it is only more and harsher substances. I wanted to try it and see if I could improve upon what I've already gotten after years of training. I do have a few friends but it is not like we are best buddies, so you know, people are not usually candid about what they use. Well, I was referred to a couple of girls on M and hopefully they would be able to provide some information...Thanks DIV
Wait a minute, upon reading Newbie's last post, it sounds like you haven't even been on stage. It sounds like you are a true rookie asking for help, who ain't even put in their time in the gym. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TRAINING IS CHICKA, YOU DON'T KNOW WINNING-BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO BE A WINNER. Come talk to me after you win a show, and after the show the direutics you took earlier start making you cramp so bad you tear your hamstring, both quads, and lose feeling in one hand for 1 week. Get the hell outta here, you don't know winning. Try donating blood just to make weight, because you can't sit in the sauna anymore because your nose bleeds and you no longer sweat. Tough baby, that's how we do in the sticks chick, and that's MR. LTP to you (ma gangsta name).
I can't believe your crying about chicken breast. Wait till you hit a nerve throwing darts.
As far as you LTP, gangsta, LOL, whatever dude...your comments are pointless and it really doesn't matter what you think. It does not faze me what so ever. Save your energy sweetie. I will just have to follow DIV's advice that he once gave to someone on here:
Stop letting people get you so worked up over a message board.
It only makes you look like a child.
Don't justify yourself to people who don't deserve an explanation.
Peace!
~Newbie06
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Newbie,
That's what we are doing to you.
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I got to agree with “Newbie06”, stop being an ass-hole “Lovetopull”, there's no need for that kind of bull-shit hate on this board. When someone asks for help being an ass doesn't do anyone any good, no matter how outrageous or stupid you yourself may think their question{s} is.
“Newbie06”, why don't you post some of the advice that you have gotten so far in detailed form. This might help those who have a bit more understanding on the subject at hand wade through the advice you've gotten so far.
Also, I know you don't want to post pics on these forums, I don't blame you, it's not smart and I want do it either. But if you have a few people you think you can trust who have given you good advice you could share with them your personal e-mail address and send pics that way...might be a little safer.
All-in-all, good luck to you, I hope you find what you're looking for, and I truly hope your competitive figure aspirations are met with success.
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Okay, Arnold Jr., Squashed. No more asshole comments.
Truthfully speaking then, with the information she has provided so far, would you help her?
Why?
If she really needed that much help, and she was doing that well in figure, why hasn't someone come along and helped her?
I mean that's how most of us got started, we chose to do gear, got some information (wether good or bad) and got going.
I purpose of the comments was to discourage her from her idea. IMO she still has much more training to learn. The figure girl who wants it usually gets it, or does what-ever it takes under hushed lips. This is out of character for a figure girl Arnold. The trainer is the one who suggests "extra" help. So I seriously question her motives. This is not to say I condone figure or BBfemales using assistance. I think it has to be for a solid reason. Not like us guys, who can get away with some stupid choices in gear usage ::).
Lovetopull
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Okay, Arnold Jr., Squashed. No more asshole comments.
Truthfully speaking then, with the information she has provided so far, would you help her?
Why?
If she really needed that much help, and she was doing that well in figure, why hasn't someone come along and helped her?
I mean that's how most of us got started, we chose to do gear, got some information (wether good or bad) and got going.
I purpose of the comments was to discourage her from her idea. IMO she still has much more training to learn. The figure girl who wants it usually gets it, or does what-ever it takes under hushed lips. This is out of character for a figure girl Arnold. The trainer is the one who suggests "extra" help. So I seriously question her motives. This is not to say I condone figure or BBfemales using assistance. I think it has to be for a solid reason. Not like us guys, who can get away with some stupid choices in gear usage ::).
Lovetopull
~Arnold Jr, thanks for the support. This is why I don’t post often on here. As I browse through a lot of the stuff that’s posted on this forum, I see that a lot of people come here mostly to bash others and make some stupid irrelevant comments. Who knows, maybe some don’t have jobs and other meaningful things to do in their life and all they do is sit in front of the PC bored so they vent out their inner feelings out on here…If I ask a question, I would hope to get a direct and straight to the point answer. In any case, I see that somehow a lot of people on this particular forum are less friendly when it comes to just being together with the rest, the fans, supporters and athletes of the same sport we all supposedly come here for.
~LTP, my first post had the information and the question I was inquiring on. Further, I have asked what else you guys would need besides my stats to give me advice. And no, I would not post my photos on the board just for the same reasons as many in this industry who choose to be discrete about the whole gear use subject.
I don’t understand why you even need to question whether or not I need help in this area. That is something for me to decide. In the end we all make a choice and believe me I have done my research and knowingly asking for advice when it comes to gear. I appreciate your concern about my well-being. However, my post was not “Advice anyone – Gear: Use or not to use?” I specifically asked if those substances that I had been suggested to use by others were what I should use and since I am new to this, I was not sure whether the dosages were correct as well as what way to run the cycle.
Now, I never claimed that I have been doing Figure for 5-10 years but I have been around the sport for awhile, have pro friends and competed against those girls who I know for a fact use “help.” Yes, I did have a trainer but in case you are not aware, not too many of them are willing to advocate the use of gear. It is illegal and no one in a hurry to be known as a drug pusher/dealer, especially people who offer a professional advice to athletes.
People have come forward and given me advice, but like I said it is all bits and pieces and that is the reason I came to this board to get more complete information. Instead all I’ve got so far is people saying “are you crazy, you don’t need gear in Figure”, “go train hard before you come here”, blah, blah…First off, crazy…,no, ignorant and naïve those who think that drugs are not prevailed in figure, that is not true and Pros will agree with me on this. Secondly, I have already told you that I am not some new 18 year old who just gave a one time visit to a local gym and decided “Hey, I want to do Figure” I’ve been training for years and competed as well. Now, do I really need to explain to you my reasons why I would need to use to enhance my physique? People, whether men or women, decide to use because they may have hit plateau, not as genetically gifted and know it, or realized that they simply compete on unfair level with those who do use. So instead of asking and questioning my reasons, give some solid advice if you have knowledge and genuinely wish to help. If not, then why do you even bother umping on threads like this one?
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That being the case, your going to have to undergo some scrutiny to get help. You think I didn't get blasted when I posted? Your trippin. Why no post pics that are your physique in parts? Legs pictures, taken in you bathroom. Upper body pictures outside-No pictures of your face. Post exactly what you are eating-We don't care what it is. Obviously eating could use help in anyone's diet. Your cardio needs improvement. See why you are not getting help? There are so many other factors to be helped, that you asking about gear is worthless for you right now. Yes we understand that your sick of placing the way you do, but to increase your longevity in the sport, gear may not be advantageous. So if you want help, you going to have to follow DIV's instructions.
Height:
Weight:
Eating Program:
Cardio Program:
Quarter Turn Poses Pics Partials:
Now, had you done that from the start, you would have recieved help. Your mouth is what burned you.
"I've been around pro's and know pros" our comment would be " then why are you here?"
"I've been using the same diet to get me to a show and it works" our comment would be "then why are you here?"
You've posted comments and replied to comments and you are a little smart ass (good you've got some fire in you), but to get help in this board less spit mixed with fire and more information stats with less side chatter. So, do you want help or not chicka?