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Title: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 12:41:53 PM
Ok guys since soon I will be competing I would like to know your thoughts on what goes around behind the scenes. I hear Lonnie Teper and some other photographers are homos. Maybe Derek could answer me on this one better. What are some other names I should stay away from?
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: gordiano on March 18, 2006, 12:46:13 PM
Watch out for ex-pros and schmoe photographers who delete your shit if your opinion differs from theirs......
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 12:48:01 PM
Watch out for ex-pros and schmoe pothographers who delete your shit if your opinion differs from theirs......

Does Shawn Perine have any kind of real power in Flex? The fag banned me from ironage and I didn't even say anything negative there... to the contrary!
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: gordiano on March 18, 2006, 12:49:38 PM
Does Shawn Perine have any kind of real power in Flex? The fag banned me from ironage and I didn't even say anything negative there... to the contrary!

More than likely, yes. Of course you can always go to one of the weiders for "help."
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 01:19:12 PM
If it is true alexxx I'll be at the mr.montreal contest and I could report how huge you are at getbig.com
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: jaejonna on March 18, 2006, 01:36:37 PM
shawn perrine would own you Alexxx
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 02:34:33 PM
lol Ok Alexxx is going to win the next mr. Montreal! 

When is it and how do I enter thanks..
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 03:20:26 PM
lol Ok Alexxx is going to win the next mr. Montreal! 

When is it and how do I enter thanks..

Well, first you need to live in Montreal :)

The contest in on July 8th in Laval. I will be there competing in the Provincial championships (which are held at the same time).

BTW, better come in shape if you hope to win... here is the 2004 winner, my friend Martin Allard.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 03:23:42 PM
Well, first you need to live in Montreal :)

The contest in on July 8th in Laval. I will be there competing in the Provincial championships (which are held at the same time).

BTW, better come in shape if you hope to win... here is the 2004 winner, my friend Martin Allard.

ok I live in montreal

how long does it take to prepare for the show? I am talking special supplements.

Also are you the same guy I just saw today at Club Muscle with Phiso?
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: ARMZ on March 18, 2006, 03:40:57 PM
Alexxx, this show is much too easy for you. Try to challenge yourself with something national..
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: ANAL DISCHARGE on March 18, 2006, 03:41:31 PM
I hear Lonnie Teper and some other photographers are homos.

I think they heard the same about you.  It should be a good match up.  Do you intend to push back?
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 03:42:51 PM
ok I live in montreal

how long does it take to prepare for the show? I am talking special supplements.

Also are you the same guy I just saw today at Club Muscle with Phiso?

Here's the 2005 Mr. Montreal winner, Bob McIntosh.

No I'm not the guy you met. I actually live about 90 minutes from Montreal. The duration of a preparation for a contest is highly dependent on your physical state. Normally an advanced athlete with a lot of muscle mass and a low amount of bodyfat will require a 12-weeks contest dieting/training period. A fatter, but still muscular individual will need to diet for 16-20 weeks. Someone who lacks muscle mass might need a lot more time because it's very hard to gain a significant amount of muscle mass while dieting for a contest, even with the help of super supplements.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 03:44:01 PM
Alexxx, this show is much too easy for you. Try to challenge yourself with something national..

Thanks Armz but I think it would look good on my resume and I could get a little exposure before the big show.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 03:46:12 PM
Here's the 2005 Mr. Montreal winner, Bob McIntosh.

No I'm not the guy you met. I actually live about 90 minutes from Montreal. The duration of a preparation for a contest is highly dependent on your physical state. Normally an advanced athlete with a lot of muscle mass and a low amount of bodyfat will require a 12-weeks contest dieting/training period. A fatter, but still muscular individual will need to diet for 16-20 weeks. Someone who lacks muscle mass might need a lot more time because it's very hard to gain a significant amount of muscle mass while dieting for a contest, even with the help of super supplements.

Hey I know that guy! He is my friend we train at the same gym. He is really a cool guy and is the one who said I have potential. Really good guy!
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Drij on March 18, 2006, 03:52:51 PM
if he really is your friend maybe what he said or what anybody else has said has gone to your head. STFU and Train or just shut up cause you're retarded.

Talk to much out of your ass.

Get realistic.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 03:53:40 PM
Thanks Armz but I think it would look good on my resume and I could get a little exposure before the big show.

Armz was obviously kidding. First, to qualify for the Nationals you must place top 3 in your weight class at the provincial. Before entering the provincial you must do a regional show (Mr. Montreal in your case).

Confidence is good. But from your pics (well the little I've seen) you are probably not ready to be competitive on the Provincial stage. You'd probably need 2-3 more years. No offense, you have a great attitude and a decent base, but you are not quite there yet. Just because your friends tell you you look good, or that you are the biggest guy in your gym, doesn't mean that you are a real menace on stage.

Remember that it's one thing to look good in pants and a tank top, it's quite another thing to look good in a speedo below super bright lights.

Another comparison, here's my friend Max at the 2005 Provincial where he placed 2nd in his class. He will be even better this year and would likely be in your class. Can you beat him?
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Ron on March 18, 2006, 03:54:50 PM
Ah - I see that you have no idea on much in our industry. And you ask why we deleted your posts that have no relevence except perhaps to irk some people.

First of all, Lonnie Teper is not a photographer. He is an emcee that had been to over 300 contests and has done quite a good job at it also. Recently, he just emceed the Ironman Pro, the Arnold Classic and the San Francisco Pro shows. Perhaps you have heard of them.  Lonnie does take photographs on his digital for his column in Ironman Magazine. He is not a homo as you enjoy using that word quite a number of times in your posts. He is a respected professor at Pasadena City College, and much definately enjoys the ladies. He also had a girlfriend named Elsa, hmmm, perhaps you saw the picture with Gary Strydom on another thread.

As for other photographers, whatever they do in their lifestyles is their business. But most of them enjoy life, have familes, and enjoy the sport of bodybuilding. Damn Alexxx, you are starting to piss me off here...

As for Shawn Perinne, who came from New York to California to work at AMI's Weider Flex Magazine, he has always been down to earth and realistic with the way he writes, in terms of the sport. He used to come on these boards with the nickname Konger, and now uses his own name, and has contributed greatly. I am not surprised at all you were banned from Ironage, give the extremely articulate threads and posts that you have started.  Jeez, I think you are one of the few of make a weekly visit to the Time Out Board, and actually come out of it.

You want to know the photographers, the writers, the people who will actually give you the publicity you hope for in terms of then getting a major sponsorship contract which will bring in the big bucks. The best thing you can do is learn by going to one of the shows, saying hello to various people, and perhaps supporting the sport.


Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 03:55:06 PM
Hey I know that guy! He is my friend we train at the same gym. He is really a cool guy and is the one who said I have potential. Really good guy!

If Bob said it, then it must be true. However realize that "potential" doesn't mean instant success. It means that with enough efforts, time and dedication you might have what it takes to have success in the long run.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Drij on March 18, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
Damn Alexxx, you are starting to piss me off here...

no kidding, wow Ron took out the time to type that out. You really are annoying maybe you should listen read and shutup and learn something instead of saying the bullshit you've been saying you've been owned plenty of times. Thats crazy Ron took the time to type all that and maybe you'll shut up now.

Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: DIVISION on March 18, 2006, 04:03:22 PM
Put him back in Time-Out, Ron!  None of us like him.

TIME-OUT, TIME-OUT!!!!!!!   >:(




DIV
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: ARMZ on March 18, 2006, 04:11:44 PM
People just don't know exactly what were dealing with here. This is history in the making. Not everyday someone comes along with this kind of potential. If you're not nice to alexxx, he will not promote getbig when he's Mr. O.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 04:28:46 PM
Ct, can you check your PM at mayhem asap ?
thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: sarcasm on March 18, 2006, 04:49:59 PM
Ah - I see that you have no idea on much in our industry. And you ask why we deleted your posts that have no relevence except perhaps to irk some people.

First of all, Lonnie Teper is not a photographer. He is an emcee that had been to over 300 contests and has done quite a good job at it also. Recently, he just emceed the Ironman Pro, the Arnold Classic and the San Francisco Pro shows. Perhaps you have heard of them.  Lonnie does take photographs on his digital for his column in Ironman Magazine. He is not a homo as you enjoy using that word quite a number of times in your posts. He is a respected professor at Pasadena City College, and much definately enjoys the ladies. He also had a girlfriend named Elsa, hmmm, perhaps you saw the picture with Gary Strydom on another thread.

As for other photographers, whatever they do in their lifestyles is their business. But most of them enjoy life, have familes, and enjoy the sport of bodybuilding. Damn Alexxx, you are starting to piss me off here...

As for Shawn Perinne, who came from New York to California to work at AMI's Weider Flex Magazine, he has always been down to earth and realistic with the way he writes, in terms of the sport. He used to come on these boards with the nickname Konger, and now uses his own name, and has contributed greatly. I am not surprised at all you were banned from Ironage, give the extremely articulate threads and posts that you have started.  Jeez, I think you are one of the few of make a weekly visit to the Time Out Board, and actually come out of it.

You want to know the photographers, the writers, the people who will actually give you the publicity you hope for in terms of then getting a major sponsorship contract which will bring in the big bucks. The best thing you can do is learn by going to one of the shows, saying hello to various people, and perhaps supporting the sport.



try not to let alexxx bother you Ron, his dad paid him to many 3 am visits in his bedroom if you know what i mean.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 05:02:49 PM
I can already beat all of those guys :) So I think I am ready for the national stage! Better yet I should get a special invite to the Olympia as anything less is no competition for the likes of me.

Ron you been around the industry and I know what you say about peoples business being their own.. but when those farts are going to hit on me it becomes my business too. Thanks for the kind words though.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 05:07:24 PM
I can already beat all of those guys :) So I think I am ready for the national stage! Better yet I should get a special invite to the Olympia as anything less is no competition for the likes of me.

Ron you been around the industry and I know what you say about peoples business being their own.. but when those farts are going to hit on me it becomes my business too. Thanks for the kind words though.

hey no offence but judging by your pics you couldn't beat bob and certainly not martin.  :-\
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 05:17:37 PM
hey no offence but judging by your pics you couldn't beat bob and certainly not martin.  :-\

I think we should let it go. This guy is either highly delusional or just playing a role on the internet. No need to argue. The funny thing is that his attitude reminds me of many guys you see in the crowd at bodybuilding shows... many of them like to believe that they can kick the ass of everybody on stage easy... but these guys will never have the ball/knowledge to get into contest shape and put their money where their mouth is :)

But Alexxx, since you are in Montreal and considering that you've been promising new pics in your current state of excellence for a while now, I'm willing to go meet you on any of the next 3 weekends (I'm giving a seminar in Montreal at that time) and make an honest assessment of your physique, take shots of the 7 mendatory poses and post them here on GetBig. How does that sounds?
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 05:23:09 PM
Ct, before meeting alex, you should take the time to meet people who are serious about bodybuilding so you should check in your schedule and find me a place so we can talk  :D
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 05:24:15 PM
Ct, before meeting alex, you should take the time to meet people who are serious about bodybuilding so you should check in your schedule and find me a place so we can talk  :D

Man I'm too expensive for you! Kidding, send me an email or a phone call tomorrow. Now it's time for a quality evening with my significant other... I shall not be disturbed.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
Man I'm too expensive for you! Kidding, send me an email or a phone call tomorrow. Now it's time for a quality evening with my significant other... I shall not be disturbed.

ok can you pm your number please ?
thanks
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2006, 05:28:03 PM
10 BobChickDollars that alexxx bitches out.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: sarcasm on March 18, 2006, 05:34:25 PM
10 BobChickDollars that alexxx bitches out.
that's like what, 50 cents?
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 05:36:03 PM
10 BobChickDollars that alexxx bitches out.

alexxx will never take the offer...

word on the street is that alexxx is too big to fit in a picture  :o
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: sarcasm on March 18, 2006, 05:37:19 PM
somebody post the pic of him in the parking garage with his boyfriend, he looks all of 155 lbs.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 05:39:36 PM
that is not him, alexxx is that monster:

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=56401.0;attach=67692;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=56401.0;attach=67694;image)

monster quads
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: sarcasm on March 18, 2006, 05:40:47 PM
what a beast!!!! brutal size!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 05:44:37 PM
I think we should let it go. This guy is either highly delusional or just playing a role on the internet. No need to argue. The funny thing is that his attitude reminds me of many guys you see in the crowd at bodybuilding shows... many of them like to believe that they can kick the ass of everybody on stage easy... but these guys will never have the ball/knowledge to get into contest shape and put their money where their mouth is :)

But Alexxx, since you are in Montreal and considering that you've been promising new pics in your current state of excellence for a while now, I'm willing to go meet you on any of the next 3 weekends (I'm giving a seminar in Montreal at that time) and make an honest assessment of your physique, take shots of the 7 mendatory poses and post them here on GetBig. How does that sounds?

hahaha thats fine with me. But you should bring a camara that brings out my features, a professional one like Per Bernal uses. Tell me where to meet you and I will. I am working 3 jobs so things could get a little tight but I will not back down. BTW you better not be one of those weirdos that go to competitions and look for some pick ups..
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: sarcasm on March 18, 2006, 05:45:51 PM
alexxx, there was a rumor on here your girlfriend got pregnant by another guy.


speak on this.


ADD
impossible, alexxx is into guys.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 05:46:33 PM
Monster humility ;D
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 05:46:41 PM
I get girls pregnant just by looking at them!  :-*
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 05:48:37 PM
alexxx, there was a rumor on here your girlfriend got pregnant by another guy.


speak on this.


ADD

Actually the real rumor is that alex's boyfriend cheat on him with a pregnant girl  ;D
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2006, 05:49:20 PM
I've heard that rumor too.

Speaketh on it.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: sarcasm on March 18, 2006, 05:51:03 PM
actually his boyfriend got HIM pregnant and he's having the world's first anal test tube baby.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 18, 2006, 05:56:19 PM
I am at 70% strengh right now and soon will be at 100%. I cannot comment on the girls I enpregnated because there are simply too many. I am off to work at the club!
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: kt007 on March 18, 2006, 06:04:59 PM
Sounds like the boys club.....I think the homophob shit is a ploy to entice young men...lol.  If that is him in those pics he couldnt win a Curves competition...good luck though...lol.
Kt
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: DIVISION on March 18, 2006, 06:21:53 PM
I've heard that rumor too.

Speaketh on it.

Robert, I see you crippin' over there!    :-X



DIV
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 07:56:40 PM
hahaha thats fine with me. But you should bring a camara that brings out my features, a professional one like Per Bernal uses. Tell me where to meet you and I will. I am working 3 jobs so things could get a little tight but I will not back down. BTW you better not be one of those weirdos that go to competitions and look for some pick ups..

I'm on the board of directors of the FCPAQ (Quebec's bodybuilding federation). I'm also in a long term relationship with my girlfriend and have no interest in other guys. But, as a member of the board of directors of our federation, it would certainly be my pleasure to meet a new talent.

So let's say next Saturday 12:00 at the Pro Gym.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 08:11:58 PM
BTW, I don't have top quality equipment like pro photographers, that's not my job. Anyway, if you have potential you don't need any special lighting or camera to see it.

And I'm not doing this to challenge you or put you down. If you have talent I'm truly interested in helping you out. As I mentionned I'm involved with the federation and would like nothing more for our sport to grow, and for it to grow and prosper we need good young athletes. However I'll admit that I'm proposing this partly because I don't like individuals who like to boast without proof. If somebody has the goods, I have no problem with a little cockyness. But until that someone has demonstrated that he, indeed, has the goods, I don't like arrogance.

That having been said, I'll be 100% fair. If you are as good as you say you are, I'll say it. However objectivity runs both ways, so I will point out any weak points you might have.

I know that you are very tall. And something that can be deceiving because it makes you bigger than everybody else. Basically you occupy a lot of space. However, bodybuilding is not about occupying space. It's about muscle development, condition and symetry. So just because you take up a lot of room and have some decent muscle development doesn't mean that you are a great bodybuilder. I've trained several athletes, pros and amateurs, from various sports. I do train several university football players who are in the 6'2" - 6'5" range and weight between 240 and 310. They all look very impressive (and are actually quite large). And if you were to ask the average individual  (i.e. not a bodybuilding expert/judge)
if they think they'd do well in bodybuilding they would all say YES! However none of these guys, even dieted down, would place in the top 3 at the provincial champs. Even one of my pro football player who is 6'2" and 305 (still relatively lean) would not do well in bodybuilding because for that sport he would have too many weak points. Sheer space occupency does NOT equal bodybuilding success.

Plus, many peoples underestimate the amount of fat they'd have to loose to look "contest ready". One of my friend who is a hockey player I trained and who is now a personal trainer is 6'2" and 245. He wanted to do a bodybuilding show to help with his business and asked me ihow I thought he would do. He told me "anyway I wont have to diet too much, I'm already ripped". He took off his shirt and he had a decent six pack and some muscle definition, but when I told him that he was around 25-30lbs away from being in contest shape it kinda bursted his bubble!

That having been said, my proposition still holds. However I am in no way forcing you to do this. Feel free to refuse my offer; I certainly wont belittle you for it. I'm not trying to prove a point, so either way is fine by me.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2006, 08:22:03 PM
alexxx,

we all know you're not going to show up.

you'll blame the camera or your jobs...

but you're not showing up.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 18, 2006, 08:31:54 PM
And if you decide NOT to take up my offer, I have another one: participate in the Montreal championships. There will be pro photographers there and they can immortalize you.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 18, 2006, 08:46:30 PM
It's time for alexxx to put up or shut up

Also, when i'll see Bob, I will ask him if there is a 6"4 monster who is training at his gym  ;)
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: onlyme on March 18, 2006, 09:10:46 PM
I skipped almost all of this.  But I had to say it was unreal seeing Ron get pissed off.  Get Big Ron!.  If he shows up to the Olympia I'll take care of him for you.  I got your back buddy.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 19, 2006, 01:11:46 PM
I'm on the board of directors of the FCPAQ (Quebec's bodybuilding federation). I'm also in a long term relationship with my girlfriend and have no interest in other guys. But, as a member of the board of directors of our federation, it would certainly be my pleasure to meet a new talent.

So let's say next Saturday 12:00 at the Pro Gym.

Thats fine. Alexxx at 70% strengh can still beat any strumph that competes in canada. But make it 2 pm instead. I'll probably still be sleeping at 12.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 19, 2006, 02:00:34 PM
2pm would be cool I'll be at Progym at that time  8)

Can't wait to see how much of a monster you are alexxx  ;)
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 19, 2006, 02:17:25 PM
2pm would be cool I'll be at Progym at that time  8)

Can't wait to see how much of a monster you are alexxx  ;)

2pm is fine by me. I'm meating Stavios to discuss his program at 1pm, so I'll have time for you at 2pm
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 19, 2006, 02:33:28 PM
2pm would be cool I'll be at Progym at that time  8)

Can't wait to see how much of a monster you are alexxx  ;)

Stavios make sure you scream very loud when I come by or else I might step on you and crush you by accident.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 19, 2006, 02:43:33 PM
Thats fine. Alexxx at 70% strengh can still beat any strumph that competes in canada. But make it 2 pm instead. I'll probably still be sleeping at 12.

You're not showing up, alexxx.

And if you indeed had gained 40 - 50 pounds of muscle since the pic in your avatar, we'd be seeing that. 
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 19, 2006, 02:49:05 PM
Stavios make sure you scream very loud when I come by or else I might step on you and crush you by accident.

At 6'4" I'm sure that you occupy more space than most peoples. No doubt about that. However, very few bodybuilders are that height. Just to give you an idea, it is generally accepted that to maintain the same proportions one must add between 7 to 10lbs per inch of height. So if you are, let's say 230 on 6'4" that would be the visual equivalent (for bodybuilding purposes) of being around 175-180lbs on 5'9" - 5'10". From you pics (kinda hard to tell precisely) I'd say that you are around 15-20lbs of fat away from being in contest shape. Now, if you did gain 40lbs chances are that you gained some fat too. So let's say that you are 20-25lbs away from being in contest shape. At 240 that would make you 215-220 on stage at 6'4" (as a comparison the heavy weight winner of the Canadian champs was 222 on 5'8" and the superheavy winner was 230 on 5'10"). So if we put it down to the average bodybuilding height of 5'9" - 5'10" that would mean that you would be (in contest shape) the proportional/visual equivalent of a 165-170 bodybuilder.

Now, as I mentionned, at 6'4" you are obviously towering over most peoples and that can make you believe that you are much bigger than they are. However in bodybuilding it doesn't work that way. For example Stavios' training partner is a lean 250lbs on 5'7"; my own training partner and client is currently 230 on 5'8"... the 2nd place finisher at the Canadian champs in the heavy weights was 215 on 5'3". Just to give you an idea.

I've trained several basketball players who were in the 6'3" - 6'5" range and 2-3 of them were a lean 220-230 without having been training seriously in there life... and they didn't look like bodybuilding material. They were tall and had a physical presence because of their height/width, but from a bodybuilding perspective they were not there. Heck my best friend in high school (basketball player) was 6'5" and 240 with abs and never entered a gym in his life!
 
One more thing. There is a physiological limit to the amount of muscle one can gain in a given period of time. Simply put, your body's capacity to add muscle tissue is limited by the rate at which it can synthesize protein into muscle. In the natural trainee that limit (for most individuals) is in the realm of 0.5lbs per week. And that's under the best possible muscle building environment (perfect training, eating, recovery, etc.). So in a year we are talking about an absolute limit of 26lbs of muscle tissue... IF everything is done perfectly 365 days straight. And that's for individuals with a very good muscle-building potential and not too much training experience (the more one has been training, the harder it is to further progress). In most cases a 10lbs gain in muscle tissue would be considred a good training year.

Now, we should not forget about the energetic cost of building muscle tissue. How much energy is needed to build one pound of muscle? This is a very important question because it will help us design a plan that will allow us to provide our body with what it needs to build muscle without risking gaining fat. Some people have tried to answer that by simply taking into consideration the composition of a pound of muscle. Muscle tissue is around 22% protein, 5% fat, 3% carbs and the rest is water, minerals and trace elements.

Since one pound = 0.455kg, it’s sometimes believed that one pound of muscle is composed of:

100g of protein (455g x 22%)
23g of fat (455g x 5%)
14g of carbs (455g x 3%)

Since there are 4 calories in one gram of protein and carbs, and 9 calories per gram of fat they assume that one thus needs around 660kcals to build one pound of muscle. According to that (erroneous) logic if one wanted to gain 10lbs of muscle he would need to consume 6600kcals more than his maintenance level over a certain period of time. For example if he wanted to gain 10lbs over 3 months he’d have to consume 70 calories above maintenance per day.

This is a mistake. The actual process of building muscle tissue requires energy beyond its simple composition. The body must take the nutrients absorbed and synthesize muscle tissue. This is a very energy-costly process! Studies have found that for each gram of protein synthesized into new muscle tissue, 220 calories are needed. Since one pound of muscle contains approximately 100g of protein it is thus clear that to build one pound of muscle we actually need more than 20 000kcals. Quite a bit more than the earlier estimated 660!

So if we want to build 10lbs of muscle we need to ingest around 22 000 calories above our maintenance level over a certain period of time. If we wanted to gain that 10lbs over a 5 months period of time this would mean consuming around 1400 calories above maintenance per day. So if you need to consume 3000kcals per day to maintain your current weight, you’d need to ingest around 4400kcals per day to gain 10lbs of muscle tissue over a 5 months period.

So basically if you gained 40lbs of MUSCLE that would necessitate an excess caloric intake of around 800 000 calories. If you gained that 40lbs over one year that would necessitate a caloric intake of around 2200 calories above maintenance per day. Now, according to the Harris-Benedict formula for calculating metabolic rate and assuming that you are moderately active, your maintenance level would be around 3800 calories per day. So to gain 40lbs of muscle (IF that was possible, which it isn't naturally) you would have to eat 6000 calories every single day for a year.

NOW... I'm not saying that gaining 40lns in a year is impossible. For one thing with every pound of muscle you gain you'll increase the amount of glycogen and water you can store. An untrained muscle can store about 13 grams of glycogen per 100 grams of muscle, while a trained muscle can store up to 32 grams of glycogen. We also know that for every gram of glycogen stored in the muscle, 3 grams of water is stored too.

So for each pound of muscle (455g) you gain you can also increase glycogen stores by 146g and water stores by 438g. So, technically, if you gain 10lbs of muscle you could register a 22lbs gain on the scale without gaining any fat. In reality the amount isn't quite that high as we are not constantly in a state of surcompensated glycigen stores. But it's safeto assume that for every 10lbs of muscle gained, one would also gain 5-7lbs in glycogen and water.

Then there is the issue of fat. A 5-7lbs gain of fat isn't that visible or apparent, especially if you are 6'4". Even a 10-12lbs gain would not be seen as an excessive difference.   
 
So it's quite possible that you gained 40lbs on the scale... but in reality that would probably be around 15lbs of muscle tissue.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 19, 2006, 02:49:37 PM
I never though me weighting 240 pounds was that big of a deal.. for me gaining weight isn't hard because I destroy the weights in the gym and eat pounds of food. If I wanted I could reach 300 pounds naturally at about 10 % bodyfat.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: DIVISION on March 19, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
I skipped almost all of this.  But I had to say it was unreal seeing Ron get pissed off.  Get Big Ron!.  If he shows up to the Olympia I'll take care of him for you.  I got your back buddy.

It appears that alexxx has angered Ronald.

Yet he's not in "time-out" yet.

Strange.




DIV
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 19, 2006, 02:55:31 PM
It all depends on your proportions CT! I've seen some pictures of bodybuilders who are 250 at 5'7" or whatever.. but those guys don't have good shape to them. They have blocky physiques and guts that will shame a lot of beer drinkers. I mean just look at mr. Ray. He never weighted anything over 200pds in the offseason and looked like he was maybe 210 :)
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 19, 2006, 02:56:40 PM
It appears that alexxx has angered Ronald.

Yet he's not in "time-out" yet.

Strange.




DIV

We had an agreement. He just takes off a couple of my posts instead. So far I believe he took off 1200. But I don't care.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 19, 2006, 03:00:57 PM
Alexxx, you have to realise that shawn is a midget ( no offence shawn  ;D). He is maybe... 5"6 ?

at 210 lbs he looks bigger than you would at 230.


look, here is mohammed anouti and he is close to 290 onstage at 6"4

(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06sf/menpre/images/_R0M0661.jpg)
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 19, 2006, 03:05:50 PM
Alexxx, you have to realise that shawn is a midget ( no offence shawn  ;D). He is maybe... 5"6 ?

at 210 lbs he looks bigger than you would at 230.


look, here is mohammed anouti and he is close to 290 onstage at 6"4

(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06sf/menpre/images/_R0M0661.jpg)

Bullshit! He is no more than 240 there and looks like a ballerina.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 19, 2006, 03:07:23 PM
I am talking about the guy on the left.

let me a minute and I'll look on milos's board to be sure about what I am saying.
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: Stavios on March 19, 2006, 03:13:10 PM
I was right on ! he was 287-290 on stage  ;D




02/11/2006

1 WEEK OUT

295 lbs


(http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3708.0;id=38105;image)
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: CT on March 19, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
It all depends on your proportions CT! I've seen some pictures of bodybuilders who are 250 at 5'7" or whatever.. but those guys don't have good shape to them. They have blocky physiques and guts that will shame a lot of beer drinkers. I mean just look at mr. Ray. He never weighted anything over 200pds in the offseason and looked like he was maybe 210 :)

Oh, I agree 100% with that. One of my client won his first contest at 180lbs on 5'8" and everybody thought that he was around 200-210 (one guy even believed that he was 220). And I don't doubt that your appearance is very good. Judging by your pics you have a super small waist and good abs. So aesthetically speaking you certainly are well off. However when talking about bodybuilding, we are talking about size... and most precisely the illusion of size. When you are 6'4" it is very hard to give that illusion. That's not to say that you don't look good. In fact, 90% of women would probably prefer a tall, lean and not overly muscular physique over a short and bulked up one. However when talking about bodybuilding the ILLUSION of size is what counts. To create that illusion you must have your frame filled out, and that's hard to do when you are tall.

That having been said, being tall is better for 99% of the things in life outside of bodybuilding.

One more thing. I just want to say that looking good in your mirror or in the gym's mirror is NOT like looking good on stage. I've been to the Olympia and have met the pros in person and in person they are A LOT bigger as you would believe they are when you look at pictures.  It's kinda like basketball... watch an NBA game and the guys look tall... but not too tall. But meet them in person and the sight is hard to believe!!!
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: alexxx on March 19, 2006, 05:01:22 PM
I was right on ! he was 287-290 on stage  ;D




02/11/2006

1 WEEK OUT

295 lbs


(http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3708.0;id=38105;image)

This guy doesn't weight over 200 pds!
Title: Re: Who to watch out for in bodybuilding industry?
Post by: brianX on March 19, 2006, 05:11:52 PM
"Alexxx" couldn't win the Mr. Siberia contest.