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All you can do is present your case.
Everyone has an instant dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedias, published articles, books, discussions, debates, etc....at their fingertips when arguing online.
You don't have to know anything about anything and can become an instant expert.
Need an article to defend your position.....Google and voila!! The instant "I told you so" without doing anything.
What I find funny is that most people don't even read the articles they put forth as a defense of their position.....as long as the header supports what they're saying that's good enough....the rest is just details LOL.
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Shizzo being blown out the GetBig airlock would disagree...if he could post :'(
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Thanks you Man of Steel. Truer words (every word actually) were never spoken. Can always spot the mis-informed (OK..stupid) usually right away. So why waste time going back and forth endlessly.
"All you can do is present your case.
Everyone has an instant dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedias, published articles, books, discussions, debates, etc....at their fingertips when arguing online.
You don't have to know anything about anything and can become an instant expert.
Need an article to defend your position.....Google and voila!! The instant "I told you so" without doing anything.
What I find funny is that most people don't even read the articles they put forth as a defense of their position.....as long as the header supports what they're saying that's good enough....the rest is just details LOL"
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All you can do is present your case.
Everyone has an instant dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedias, published articles, books, discussions, debates, etc....at their fingertips when arguing online.
You don't have to know anything about anything and can become an instant expert.
Need an article to defend your position.....Google and voila!! The instant "I told you so" without doing anything.
What I find funny is that most people don't even read the articles they put forth as a defense of their position.....as long as the header supports what they're saying that's good enough....the rest is just details LOL.
Qft! Generation nothingness
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All you can do is present your case.
Everyone has an instant dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedias, published articles, books, discussions, debates, etc....at their fingertips when arguing online.
You don't have to know anything about anything and can become an instant expert.
Need an article to defend your position.....Google and voila!! The instant "I told you so" without doing anything.
What I find funny is that most people don't even read the articles they put forth as a defense of their position.....as long as the header supports what they're saying that's good enough....the rest is just details LOL.
Great post..some even copy posts from other Forums ;D
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I have won every online argument I've ever had.
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I agree that all you can do is present your case.
Everyone has an instant dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedias, published articles, books, discussions, debates, etc....at their fingertips when arguing online.
You don't have to know anything about anything and can become an instant expert.
Need an article to defend your position.....Google and voila!! The instant "I told you so" without doing anything.
What I find funny is that most people don't even read the articles they put forth as a defense of their position.....as long as the header supports what they're saying that's good enough....the rest is just details LOL"
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Some even have years worth of copy and paste jobs from nonsense fundamentalist religious websites saved up! LOL
Directed at me I assume? LOL!! That's fine.
I rarely claim anything I post as original. Certainly I have my own thoughts, but I usually find confirmation and/or correction in them from established thinkers and writers. I also rarely copy and paste directly or post hyperlinks. I read and study materials and put things in my own words and blend my own thoughts into them.
About the only source I copy and paste directly from is the bible.
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Some even have years worth of copy and paste jobs from nonsense fundamentalist religious websites saved up! LOL
LMAO!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I have won every online argument I've ever had.
true story
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true story
I like Grape..good guy.
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I like Grape..good guy.
Yes, he's good people.
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I also rarely copy and paste directly or post hyperlinks.
I have a ton of material I draw from all the time....cut and paste....cut and paste....over and over...same objections, different folks.
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And the material I cut and paste from is my history of posts that I wrote.
And the reason I draw from it all the time is I've already answered the same questions dozens of times.
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All you can do is present your case.
Everyone has an instant dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedias, published articles, books, discussions, debates, etc....at their fingertips when arguing online.
You don't have to know anything about anything and can become an instant expert.
Need an article to defend your position.....Google and voila!! The instant "I told you so" without doing anything.
What I find funny is that most people don't even read the articles they put forth as a defense of their position.....as long as the header supports what they're saying that's good enough....the rest is just details LOL.
You just described True Adonis perfectly
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All you can do is present your case.
Everyone has an instant dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedias, published articles, books, discussions, debates, etc....at their fingertips when arguing online.
You don't have to know anything about anything and can become an instant expert.
Need an article to defend your position.....Google and voila!! The instant "I told you so" without doing anything.
What I find funny is that most people don't even read the articles they put forth as a defense of their position.....as long as the header supports what they're saying that's good enough....the rest is just details LOL.
Not exactly.
There are things called Facts, Evidence, Empirical Data and Primary Sources, Scientific Consensus. Not every "article" is equal or based in fact.
Your post actually is worthless in that all it does is try to make a false equivalency between an argument based in fact and backed with data versus some made up bullshit based in fiction or faith.
There is no equivalency.
Hope this helps.
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Directed at me I assume? LOL!! That's fine.
I rarely claim anything I post as original. Certainly I have my own thoughts, but I usually find confirmation and/or correction in them from established thinkers and writers. I also rarely copy and paste directly or post hyperlinks. I read and study materials and put things in my own words and blend my own thoughts into them.
About the only source I copy and paste directly from is the bible.
This is part of the problem. You would rather pass off false information with a bias rather than cite an established fact with data backing it. Better to be "original" than to be correct Right? Well that does nothing for those in pursuit of truth, fact and knowledge.
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Not exactly.
There are things called Facts, Evidence, Empirical Data and Primary Sources, Scientific Consensus. Not every "article" is equal or based in fact.
Your post actually is worthless in that all it does is try to make a false equivalency between an argument based in fact and backed with data versus some made up bullshit based in fiction or faith.
There is no equivalency.
Hope this helps.
Didn't mention a thing about you or direct my post at you TA.
I also noted that most post articles without reading them first (in order to better verify things).
You don't like my words because I believe in God.
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This is part of the problem. You would rather pass off false information with a bias rather than cite an established fact with data backing it. Better to be "original" than to be correct Right? Well that does nothing for those in pursuit of truth, fact and knowledge.
Certainly I have my own thoughts, but I usually find confirmation and/or correction in them from established thinkers and writers.
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Certainly I have my own thoughts, but I usually find confirmation and/or correction in them from established thinkers and writers.
And yet, more problems that lead to shit thinking.
In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.
Confirmation bias - Science Daily
www.sciencedaily.com/terms/confirmation_bias.htm
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Fantastic case study playing out as we type.
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And yet, more problems that lead to shit thinking.
In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.
Confirmation bias - Science Daily
www.sciencedaily.com/terms/confirmation_bias.htm
TA if you want to copy and paste stuff go right ahead. I truly don't care.
I like to confirm things based upon a consensus of expert opinion which are grounded in facts and evidence. If that conclusion agrees with mine then great. If my opinion conflicts then I'll reevaluate my conclusion and shift it as appropriate.
What I don't do is take another's work and play it off as my own or pretend I'm an expert on a topic because I'm proficient at performing google searches.
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"The backfire effect- when we run into evidence contradicting an existing belief we already have, instead of changing our belief, we exaggerate it, we believe it more."
Well, there you have it. People think arguments are pissing contests and get defensive.
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Yes, you can.
Just quote Wikipedia with a bold red 45point font.
;D
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TA if you want to copy and paste stuff go right ahead. I truly don't care.
I like to confirm things based upon a consensus of expert opinion which are grounded in facts and evidence. If that conclusion agrees with mine then great. If my opinion conflicts then I'll reevaluate my conclusion and shift it as appropriate.
What I don't do is take another's work and play it off as my own or pretend I'm an expert on a topic because I'm proficient at performing google searches.
If that were the case, you would have left your belief in fairy tales a long time ago. Sadly, this is not the case.
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If that were the case, you would have left your belief in fairy tales a long time ago. Sadly, this is not the case.
Like I said in my first reply to you, this is about my faith and nothing else. It makes no difference what I say.
We done.
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TA if you want to copy and paste stuff go right ahead. I truly don't care.
I like to confirm things based upon a consensus of expert opinion which are grounded in facts and evidence. If that conclusion agrees with mine then great. If my opinion conflicts then I'll reevaluate my conclusion and shift it as appropriate.
What I don't do is take another's work and play it off as my own or pretend I'm an expert on a topic because I'm proficient at performing google searches.
I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.
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I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.
meh
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Because i dont take part in them?
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Didn't watch. That's why you can't win arguments on the internet, because when you post information supporting you opinion no one will read/watch it. They will ignore it like I just did.
I win the Internet!
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I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.
MOS already stated that God cannot be proven scientifically in a lab. That is why it comes down to faith. He lambasted me for requiring such evidence. However, all scientific claims, from medicine to engineering to astronomy, are ALL based on the scientific method. There is no other reliable method for determining if a claim is true or not.
However, according to the MOS, God exists outside of this scientific category. As such, he has to rely on anecdotal evidence and evidence from the bible. Both require a huge amount of faith, and MOS already admitted that it takes faith to be a theist, not necessarily science.
This is why many theist organizations had to create their own journals, in order to get their work published because it was not meeting the scientific standard for many peer-reviewed journals.
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MOS already stated that God cannot be proven scientifically in a lab. That is why it comes down to faith. He lambasted me for requiring such evidence. However, all scientific claims, from medicine to engineering to astronomy, are ALL based on the scientific method. There is no other reliable method for determining if a claim is true or not.
However, according to the MOS, God exists outside of this scientific category. As such, he has to rely on anecdotal evidence and evidence from the bible. Both require a huge amount of faith, and MOS already admitted that it takes faith to be a theist, not necessarily science.
This is why many theist organizations had to create their own journals, in order to get their work published because it was not meeting the scientific standard for many peer-reviewed journals.
If we can just change the meaning of evidence by creating institutions, why not call theology a science? Why not just live in la-la land where we decide what meaning words should have according to our beliefs and render ourselves incapable of communicating with people other than the ones with precisely similar beliefs.
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I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.
Exactly. Its hilarious hearing him "explain" this.
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MOS already stated that God cannot be proven scientifically in a lab. That is why it comes down to faith. He lambasted me for requiring such evidence. However, all scientific claims, from medicine to engineering to astronomy, are ALL based on the scientific method. There is no other reliable method for determining if a claim is true or not.
However, according to the MOS, God exists outside of this scientific category. As such, he has to rely on anecdotal evidence and evidence from the bible. Both require a huge amount of faith, and MOS already admitted that it takes faith to be a theist, not necessarily science.
This is why many theist organizations had to create their own journals, in order to get their work published because it was not meeting the scientific standard for many peer-reviewed journals.
By that extension, why not just have faith that everything someone says is correct, facts be damned. What is stopping someone like MOS from declaring that I wonder. (I do know many like him do in fact take everything on faith. This is how you get people believing that Orwell was not a Socialist, Obama is a secret Muslim and on and on)
Morons will always want to moron.
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If we can just change the meaning of evidence by creating institutions, why not call theology a science? Why not just live in la-la land where we decide what meaning words should have according to our beliefs and render ourselves incapable of communicating with people other than the ones with precisely similar beliefs.
The scientific method has been used since time immemorial. Its the reason why we have come SO far in terms of medicine and technology.
MOS just wants to throw away the scientific method, and prove his God exists by other "methods." Then he props himself up, as if his other methods are equal in comparison to the scientific method. They are not. Its an easy way for him to "prove" his God exists, without actually proving that his God exists.
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Of course you can win arguments online, it happens here at Getbig everyday. BOOM !!!
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The scientific method has been used since time immemorial. Its the reason why we have come SO far in terms of medicine and technology.
MOS just wants to throw away the scientific method, and prove his God exists by other "methods." Then he props himself up, as if his other methods are equal in comparison to the scientific method. They are not. Its an easy way for him to "prove" his God exists, without actually proving that his God exists.
Looks like MOS is losing this argument online.
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By that extension, why not just have faith that everything someone says is correct, facts be damned. What is stopping someone like MOS from declaring that I wonder. (I do know many like him do in fact take everything on faith. This is how you get people believing that Orwell was not a Socialist, Obama is a secret Muslim and on and on)
Morons will always want to moron.
Most people do rely on "faith," as opposed to evidence, when attempting to assert if a claim is true or not.
In order to really decide if a claim is true or not, takes a LOT of work. You have to read both sides of the argument. After reading both sides of an argument from reputable sources, you then have to determine the flaws of each study--this is necessary, in order to take into consideration any biases that may occur during the study. Then, when all that is said and done, you may or may not rely on some form of personal experience to shape your opinion about the claim. As long as your personal opinion doesn't inherently interfere with the objective evidence.
Obviously, the above statement is just a brief overview of determining a claim. But that's a lot of work. Most people don't have time. Further, most people do not know how to accurately analyze a peer-reviewed study anyway, i.e., taken into consideration effect size, population size, statistical analysis, method of analysis, etc (basically, different forms of construct validity, statistical validity, externa/internal validity, etc.). As such, its much easier to just google an answer.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CazvLCSWEAA1_8X.jpg:large)
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Looks like MOS is losing this argument online.
I am sure MOS will enter this thread and paste 123 bible verses.
But, at the end of the day, MOS already admitted that his God cannot be proven via the scientific method--the same method that advances technology and medicine.
So, we are stuck at an impasse until MOS/theists can prove there is a God. But MOS wants it to be on HIS terms, and not the terms of the millions and millions of people who have utilized the scientific method throughout time. I guess in order to prove a claim, its just easier to make up your own "method."
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You just described True Adonis perfectly
Qft
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Qft
Shut the fuck up Midget Head
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Qft
Maybe the reason why he loses every argument.
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Maybe the reason why he loses every argument.
Only a fool would see it that way.
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Maybe the reason why he loses every argument.
He probably copy and pasted that.
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Only a fool would see it that way.
Did you google that reply also?
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Only a fool would see it that way.
Hostility ..oh brother
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No there won't be anymore bible verses, apologetics, testimonies, theology, etc from me for those that repeatedly insult and mock believers. I've given the gospel repeatedly. I desire nothing but blessing for known God haters but discussion with me is all done until that stuff stops. If you want it back you'll have to earn it. That won't ever happen so that's that.
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No there won't be anymore bible verses, apologetics, testimonies, theology, etc from me for those that repeatedly insult and mock believers. I've given the gospel repeatedly. I desire nothing but blessing for known God haters but discussion with me is all done until that stuff stops. If you want it back you'll have to earn it. That won't ever happen so that's that.
I don't think there are any "God haters".
Just people with different beliefs/worldviews.
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No there won't be anymore bible verses, apologetics, testimonies, theology, etc from me for those that repeatedly insult and mock believers. I've given the gospel repeatedly. I desire nothing but blessing for known God haters but discussion with me is all done until that stuff stops. If you want it back you'll have to earn it. That won't ever happen so that's that.
I can't hate something that does not exist.
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Of course you can win arguments online, it happens here at Getbig everyday. BOOM !!!
Everyone who's ever had an argument on Getbig has won it, in their own mind. It's amusing to watch.
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I can't hate something that does not exist.
x2. I don't hate God. I have no feelings toward any God(s) precisely for the same reason you described.
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x2. I don't hate God. I have no feelings toward any God(s) precisely for the same reason you described.
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Looks like God stopped you in mid-sentence, though.
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Looks like God stopped you in mid-sentence, though.
He put a voodoo curse on me.
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He put a voodoo curse on me.
Glad to see you haven't been struck down.
But what were you trying to say?
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Glad to see you haven't been struck down.
But what were you trying to say?
To be honest, I dont even know/remember. I think I might have hit "an" by accident, then posted. ??? ???
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To be honest, I dont even know/remember. I think I might have hit "an" by accident, then posted. ??? ???
Did you feel like you were under a spell?
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x2. I don't hate God. I have no feelings toward any God(s) precisely for the same reason you described.
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Did you feel like you were under a spell?
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Yes, I did. I saw a white light. Then I saw people standing on fluffy clouds, and besides them was a giant entity with a long, white beard. He was sending people to heaven or hell.
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Yes, I did. I saw a white light. Then I saw people standing on fluffy clouds, and besides them was a giant entity with a long, white beard. He was sending people to heaven or hell.
But you said you didn't know or remember what you experienced.
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But you said you didn't know or remember what you experienced.
:P
I said a brief prayer, and God instilled the knowledge in me.
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I said a brief prayer, and God instilled the knowledge in me.
But you don't believe in God, you said. So why were you praying?
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But you don't believe in God, you said. So why were you praying?
I changed my mind within the last few minutes after reading posts by MOS.
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I changed my mind within the last few minutes after reading posts by MOS.
So what you are saying is MOS was finally able to convince at least one single person?
And that even after he decided to not post anything?
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So what you are saying is MOS was finally able to convince at least one single person?
And that even after he decided to not post anything?
Years of back and forth--a culmination of knowledge after a long period of time.