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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2016, 02:22:40 PM »
TA if you want to copy and paste stuff go right ahead.  I truly don't care.

I like to confirm things based upon a consensus of expert opinion which are grounded in facts and evidence.   If that conclusion agrees with mine then great.   If my opinion conflicts then I'll reevaluate my conclusion and shift it as appropriate.

What I don't do is take another's work and play it off as my own or pretend I'm an expert on a topic because I'm proficient at performing google searches.
If that were the case, you would have left your belief in fairy tales a long time ago.  Sadly, this is not the case.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2016, 02:24:09 PM »
If that were the case, you would have left your belief in fairy tales a long time ago.  Sadly, this is not the case.

Like I said in my first reply to you, this is about my faith and nothing else.   It makes no difference what I say.

We done.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2016, 02:26:48 PM »
TA if you want to copy and paste stuff go right ahead.  I truly don't care.

I like to confirm things based upon a consensus of expert opinion which are grounded in facts and evidence.   If that conclusion agrees with mine then great.   If my opinion conflicts then I'll reevaluate my conclusion and shift it as appropriate.

What I don't do is take another's work and play it off as my own or pretend I'm an expert on a topic because I'm proficient at performing google searches.

I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2016, 02:28:18 PM »
I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.


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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2016, 02:32:57 PM »

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2016, 02:38:27 PM »


Didn't watch.  That's why you can't win arguments on the internet, because when you post information supporting you opinion no one will read/watch it.  They will ignore it like I just did.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2016, 02:46:39 PM »
I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.


MOS already stated that God cannot be proven scientifically in a lab. That is why it comes down to faith. He lambasted me for requiring such evidence. However, all scientific claims, from medicine to engineering to astronomy, are ALL based on the scientific method. There is no other reliable method for determining if a claim is true or not.

However, according to the MOS, God exists outside of this scientific category. As such, he has to rely on anecdotal evidence and evidence from the bible. Both require a huge amount of faith, and MOS already admitted that it takes faith to be a theist, not necessarily science.

This is why many theist organizations had to create their own journals, in order to get their work published because it was not meeting the scientific standard for many peer-reviewed journals.
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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2016, 02:53:24 PM »
MOS already stated that God cannot be proven scientifically in a lab. That is why it comes down to faith. He lambasted me for requiring such evidence. However, all scientific claims, from medicine to engineering to astronomy, are ALL based on the scientific method. There is no other reliable method for determining if a claim is true or not.

However, according to the MOS, God exists outside of this scientific category. As such, he has to rely on anecdotal evidence and evidence from the bible. Both require a huge amount of faith, and MOS already admitted that it takes faith to be a theist, not necessarily science.

This is why many theist organizations had to create their own journals, in order to get their work published because it was not meeting the scientific standard for many peer-reviewed journals.

If we can just change the meaning of evidence by creating institutions, why not call theology a science? Why not just live in la-la land where we decide what meaning words should have according to our beliefs and render ourselves incapable of communicating with people other than the ones with precisely similar beliefs.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2016, 02:54:10 PM »
I think this must be an effort at trolling as generally your arguments are as far away from facts and evidence as possible. Either that or there is a misunderstanding (again) on what constitutes facts and evidence.

Exactly.  Its hilarious hearing him "explain" this.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2016, 02:56:49 PM »
MOS already stated that God cannot be proven scientifically in a lab. That is why it comes down to faith. He lambasted me for requiring such evidence. However, all scientific claims, from medicine to engineering to astronomy, are ALL based on the scientific method. There is no other reliable method for determining if a claim is true or not.

However, according to the MOS, God exists outside of this scientific category. As such, he has to rely on anecdotal evidence and evidence from the bible. Both require a huge amount of faith, and MOS already admitted that it takes faith to be a theist, not necessarily science.

This is why many theist organizations had to create their own journals, in order to get their work published because it was not meeting the scientific standard for many peer-reviewed journals.
By that extension, why not just have faith that everything someone says is correct, facts be damned.  What is stopping someone like MOS from declaring that I wonder.  (I do know many like him do in fact take everything on faith.  This is how you get people believing that Orwell was not a Socialist, Obama is a secret Muslim and on and on)

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2016, 03:00:06 PM »
If we can just change the meaning of evidence by creating institutions, why not call theology a science? Why not just live in la-la land where we decide what meaning words should have according to our beliefs and render ourselves incapable of communicating with people other than the ones with precisely similar beliefs.

The scientific method has been used since time immemorial. Its the reason why we have come SO far in terms of medicine and technology.

MOS just wants to throw away the scientific method, and prove his God exists by other "methods." Then he props himself up, as if his other methods are equal in comparison to the scientific method. They are not. Its an easy way for him to "prove" his God exists, without actually proving that his God exists.
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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2016, 03:02:47 PM »
Of course you can win arguments online, it happens here at Getbig everyday. BOOM !!!
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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2016, 03:06:11 PM »
The scientific method has been used since time immemorial. Its the reason why we have come SO far in terms of medicine and technology.

MOS just wants to throw away the scientific method, and prove his God exists by other "methods." Then he props himself up, as if his other methods are equal in comparison to the scientific method. They are not. Its an easy way for him to "prove" his God exists, without actually proving that his God exists.
Looks like MOS is losing this argument online.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2016, 03:06:22 PM »
By that extension, why not just have faith that everything someone says is correct, facts be damned.  What is stopping someone like MOS from declaring that I wonder.  (I do know many like him do in fact take everything on faith.  This is how you get people believing that Orwell was not a Socialist, Obama is a secret Muslim and on and on)

Morons will always want to moron.

Most people do rely on "faith," as opposed to evidence, when attempting to assert if a claim is true or not.

In order to really decide if a claim is true or not, takes a LOT of work. You have to read both sides of the argument. After reading both sides of an argument from reputable sources, you then have to determine the flaws of each study--this is necessary, in order to take into consideration any biases that may occur during the study. Then, when all that is said and done, you may or may not rely on some form of personal experience to shape your opinion about the claim. As long as your personal opinion doesn't inherently interfere with the objective evidence.

Obviously, the above statement is just a brief overview of determining a claim. But that's a lot of work. Most people don't have time. Further, most people do not know how to accurately analyze a peer-reviewed study anyway, i.e., taken into consideration effect size, population size, statistical analysis, method of analysis, etc (basically, different forms of construct validity, statistical validity, externa/internal validity, etc.). As such, its much easier to just google an answer.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2016, 03:08:20 PM »

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2016, 03:09:16 PM »
Looks like MOS is losing this argument online.

I am sure MOS will enter this thread and paste 123 bible verses.

But, at the end of the day, MOS already admitted that his God cannot be proven via the scientific method--the same method that advances technology and medicine.

So, we are stuck at an impasse until MOS/theists can prove there is a God. But MOS wants it to be on HIS terms, and not the terms of the millions and millions of people who have utilized the scientific method throughout time. I guess in order to prove a claim, its just easier to make up your own "method."
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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2016, 04:46:00 PM »
You just described True Adonis perfectly

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2016, 04:47:51 PM »
Qft

Maybe the reason why he loses every argument.
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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2016, 04:57:33 PM »
Maybe the reason why he loses every argument.

Only a fool would see it that way.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2016, 04:58:55 PM »
Maybe the reason why he loses every argument.


He probably copy and pasted that.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2016, 04:59:29 PM »
Only a fool would see it that way.

Did you google that reply also?

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2016, 05:02:37 PM »
Only a fool would see it that way.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2016, 06:33:57 PM »
No there won't be anymore bible verses, apologetics, testimonies, theology, etc from me for those that repeatedly insult and mock believers.  I've given the gospel repeatedly.   I desire nothing but blessing for known God haters but discussion with me is all done until that stuff stops.  If you want it back you'll have to earn it.  That won't ever happen so that's that.

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Re: Why You Can't Win Arguments Online
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2016, 06:45:22 PM »
No there won't be anymore bible verses, apologetics, testimonies, theology, etc from me for those that repeatedly insult and mock believers.  I've given the gospel repeatedly.   I desire nothing but blessing for known God haters but discussion with me is all done until that stuff stops.  If you want it back you'll have to earn it.  That won't ever happen so that's that.

I don't think there are any "God haters".
Just people with different beliefs/worldviews.
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