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I said all along that Hil is an unelectable shrew that people just don't like. So much so that they're flocking to a commie crank who's plan is to bankrupt the taxpayer. Now Hil still might get the nomination but seems to me everybody here has abandoned her or been pretty silent on supporting her. What gives guys...come on boys buck up. You gonna support an out and out commie or still just go down with the ship. For the record I'm voting Cruz...if he doesn't make it I'll be forced to support rubio/kasich/christie...I will not vote for Trump nor Bush.
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I said all along that Hil is an unelectable shrew that people just don't like. So much so that they're flocking to a commie crank who's plan is to bankrupt the taxpayer. Now Hil still might get the nomination but seems to me everybody here has abandoned her or been pretty silent on supporting her. What gives guys...come on boys buck up. You gonna support an out and out commie or still just go down with the ship. For the record I'm voting Cruz...if he doesn't make it I'll be forced to support rubio/kasich/christie...I will not vote for Trump nor Bush.
Sorry to report, but there are vast seas of robots out there with absolutely NO ONE else in mind for pres. Stupid, silly little twits and twats who see nothing but a female with a plastic smile. That's good enough for them.
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The candidate who shall run against her in the big race, needs to have a plan of attack to use at ANY and ALL opportunity. Push her with questions that hit right to the point, to repeatedly knock her off her mountain of lies. If done at a time (such as a "debate") when the media can't ignore or disguise or bury it or whatever, it could do the job it needs to do. The more lines of such attack, the better. The more opportunities to use those attacks, the better.
It is the only way she'll be beaten in an environment where the media is all for her.
The problem comes in if the candidate running against her is just as guilty, because the very last thing that person will do is risk bringing on his own exposure. That's the problem.
That's why Rubio won't do. That's why Cruz won't do.
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I said all along that Hil is an unelectable shrew that people just don't like. So much so that they're flocking to a commie crank who's plan is to bankrupt the taxpayer. Now Hil still might get the nomination but seems to me everybody here has abandoned her or been pretty silent on supporting her. What gives guys...come on boys buck up. You gonna support an out and out commie or still just go down with the ship. For the record I'm voting Cruz...if he doesn't make it I'll be forced to support rubio/kasich/christie...I will not vote for Trump nor Bush.
Hilary supporters on getbig are like Trump supporters on getbig. They're on here, but they're shit silent because they're pretty embarrassed by the choice, and want plausible deniability when their choice inevitably collapses.
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Hilary supporters on getbig are like Trump supporters on getbig. They're on here, but they're shit silent because they're pretty embarrassed by the choice, and want plausible deniability when their choice inevitably collapses.
There's always Andre (andreisdaman), who would back either Jeb Bush or Clinton. Might sound crazy or inconsistent, at first, but upon examination I think you'd find they are essentially the same in so many ways. And I don't mean the empty comments they make.
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I said all along that Hil is an unelectable shrew that people just don't like. So much so that they're flocking to a commie crank who's plan is to bankrupt the taxpayer. Now Hil still might get the nomination but seems to me everybody here has abandoned her or been pretty silent on supporting her. What gives guys...come on boys buck up. You gonna support an out and out commie or still just go down with the ship. For the record I'm voting Cruz...if he doesn't make it I'll be forced to support rubio/kasich/christie...I will not vote for Trump nor Bush.
If your party was smart they would get behind Kasich. He's socially moderate (just like the majority of the country) but still a conservative. He's probably got the most executive and legislative experience of all the candidates and he's not a right wing fundie or a pathological liar (I'm looking at you Christie)
Put it this way. If it were between him and Hilary it's quite likely I'd vote for Kasich
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If your party was smart they would get behind Kasich. He's socially moderate (just like the majority of the country) but still a conservative. He's probably got the most executive and legislative experience of all the candidates and he's not a right wing fundie or a pathological liar (I'm looking at you Christie)
Put it this way. If it were between him and Hilary it's quite likely I'd vote for Kasich
In "Fair Contenders", he talks about his support for illegal workers. He also appears to be a doddering old coot, and a total non-player.
GOP is F-U-C-K-E-D no matter what they do. If a Republican can't tolerate Trump, for whatever reason, then that Republican is in a bad way right now.
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In "Fair Contenders", he talks about his support for illegal workers. He also appears to be a doddering old coot, and a total non-player.
GOP is F-U-C-K-E-D no matter what they do. If a Republican can't tolerate Trump, for whatever reason, then that Republican is in a bad way right now.
non-player? what does that even mean
as far as doddering old coot the guy is only 64
Regarding support for illegal workers, that would make him "Reagan like" (remember the guy that gave ~ 2 million illegals legitimate status) and he was also truly a doddering old coot so Repubs should LOVE the dude
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non-player? what does that even mean
In his case, it means someone who is having his last hurrah in the spotlight. Let him enjoy it while he can.
as far as doddering old coot the guy is only 64
He is a very old 64, then.
Regarding support for illegal workers, that would make him "Reagan like" (remember the guy that gave ~ 2 million illegals legitimate status) and he was also truly a doddering old coot so Repubs should LOVE the dude
I know. How true. But when someone like that tries to tell you he "wants to make America great again" or something similar, then that person is doing nothing but holding out his chin and asking you to punch it with your best uppercut. That's the problem.
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In his case, it means someone who is having his last hurrah in the spotlight. Let him enjoy it while he can.
He is a very old 64, then.
I know. How true. But when someone like that tries to tell you he "wants to make America great again" or something similar, then that person is doing nothing but holding out his chin and asking you to punch it with your best uppercut. That's the problem.
still no explanation of what you mean by non-player
64 is not old
Kasich is a reasonable moderate Republican and that the Repubs ONLY chance to win a national election
I'm not aware of Kasich saying he wants to make America great again. Sounds like something Trump, Cruz or Rubio has said
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still no explanation of what you mean by non-player
No chance in Hell is what it means. Not even with the finest sno-cone maker. He doesn't have what it takes, or he'd be there already.
64 is not old
Depends upon the individual, I'd say.
Kasich is a reasonable moderate Republican and that the Repubs ONLY chance to win a national election
Do you think he'd stand a better shot than Trump, if all else were the same? Maybe you're right. If Kasich and Hillary are each trying to hide their anti-American bent, they could help protect one another from being ultimately destroyed.
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No chance in Hell is what it means. Not even with the finest sno-cone maker. He doesn't have what it takes, or he'd be there already.
Depends upon the individual, I'd say.
Do you think he'd stand a better shot than Trump, if all else were the same? Maybe you're right. If he and Hillary are each trying to hide their anti-American bent, they could help protect one another from being ultimately destroyed.
so basically "non-player" just means you don't personally find him electable?
Why would you even ask me that question about Trump
I already stated that he (Kasich) is the MODERATE Repub and that is the only Repub that can win a national election (i.e. pull votes from Independents and Dems who don't like Hillary)
Trump doesn't stand a chance in a national elections (neither does Cruz or Rubio or Christie or Bush)
spare me the anti-American nonsense. None of the candidates on either side are anti American
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so basically "non-player" just means you don't personally find him electable?
Very few people find him to be that, by the looks of it.
Why would you even ask me that question about Trump
I already stated that he is the MODERATE Repub and that is the only Repub that can win a national election (i.e. pull votes from Independents and Dems who don't like Hillary)
Trump doesn't stand a chance in a national elections (neither does Cruz or Rubio or Christie or Bush)
spare me the anti-American nonsense. None of the candidates on either side are anti American
Please tell me you didn't mean to write that.
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So what's the EC breakdown look like with Trump, Straw Man? Do you have anything current?
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BTW, for me: ANYONE who is willing to hurt the American middle-class, is against America. Without a strong middle-class, we might as well be any other dump on this planet. Those are the facts.
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I said all along that Hil is an unelectable shrew that people just don't like. So much so that they're flocking to a commie crank who's plan is to bankrupt the taxpayer. Now Hil still might get the nomination but seems to me everybody here has abandoned her or been pretty silent on supporting her. What gives guys...come on boys buck up. You gonna support an out and out commie or still just go down with the ship. For the record I'm voting Cruz...if he doesn't make it I'll be forced to support rubio/kasich/christie...I will not vote for Trump nor Bush.
Because, Bernie. Just a note. The majority of Bernie supporters WILL NOT vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination (not that she will, she is on track to lose it easily according to all data and if it keeps trending the way it is). I know I will NOT vote for Hillary at all for anything.
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Because, Bernie. Just a note. The majority of Bernie supporters WILL NOT vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination (not that she will, she is on track to lose it easily according to all data and if it keeps trending the way it is). I know I will NOT vote for Hillary at all for anything.
Yes, it's interesting, because it seems most or all Hillary people would back Bernie if it came to that, but the reverse isn't so easily said.
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So what's the EC breakdown look like with Trump, Straw Man? Do you have anything current?
no idea
do you have anything current?
is there anything current at this point other than total speculation
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no idea
do you have anything current?
is there anything current at this point other than total speculation
If there isn't, then it is just speculation. That's right.
I'll put some time on it later today, and will use this thread to report the findings.
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BTW, for me: ANYONE who is willing to hurt the American middle-class, is against America. Without a strong middle-class, we might as well be any other dump on this planet. Those are the facts.
so you're for Sander's I assume?
that's fine by me. I like him too
My initial response about Kasich was to HH and I stand by my opinion that he is the only moderate Republican who can beat Hilary
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If there isn't, then it is just speculation. That's right.
I'll put some time on it later today, and will use this thread to report the findings.
you're the one that posed the question
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you're the one that posed the question
Yes, because I'd hoped that you already knew the answer.
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I am genuinely interested to know. That's why I asked.
Yes, I'll take Sanders over any of the rest. Other than the mystery-man Trump, the others have shown themselves to be unconcerned with the average person. 100% do NOT give a shit. And the ones like Hillary, who try so hard to pretend otherwise, are just dangerous people IMO.
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Yes, because I'd hoped that you already knew the answer.
I'm assuming by EC you meant electoral college?
if so, how is there anything at this point other than total speculation
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If your party was smart they would get behind Kasich. He's socially moderate (just like the majority of the country) but still a conservative. He's probably got the most executive and legislative experience of all the candidates and he's not a right wing fundie or a pathological liar (I'm looking at you Christie)
Put it this way. If it were between him and Hilary it's quite likely I'd vote for Kasich
I'd vote for Kasich over Hillary probably as well. Hell, I will do you one better. I would rather have Trump than Hillary. Bernie supporters largely feel the same way.
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I'd vote Trump over Kasich. One thing that's undeniable (or so it appears) about Trump, is that he's his own man.
Jimmy Carter said it best, when he said Trump would go into the job without the limitations that the rest would be held to (Carter was referring to Cruz in particular, but the same applies to the rest).
Our country has taken a beat-down that we cannot shrug off so easily. We need to bust out of this pattern, one way or another.
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I'd vote Kasich over Hillary, too, FTR.
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And Straw, you're right. Kasich is miles better than Cruz, Rubio, Christie... yes.
But that says less about him than it does them. That's my only point.
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I'd vote Trump over Kasich. One thing that's undeniable (or so it appears) about Trump, is that he's his own man.
Jimmy Carter said it best, when he said Trump would go into the job without the limitations that the rest would be held to (Carter was referring to Cruz in particular, but the same applies to the rest).
Our country has taken a beat-down that we cannot shrug off so easily. We need to bust out of this pattern, one way or another.
here is Carters quote
"The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.”
so no "fixed positions" and 'malleable"
to me that means he could easily succumb to the far right in congress which I why I would prefer Kasich over Trump (if somehow that were the only option)
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here is Carters quote
so no "fixed positions" and 'malleable"
to me that means he could easily succumb to the far right in congress which I why I would prefer Kasich over Trump (if somehow that were the only option)
Trump supported Single Payer healthcare in his book and this summer and is known to be completely reasonable when he is not shilling in front of crowds, so there is that.
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I'm assuming by EC you meant electoral college?
if so, how is there anything at this point other than total speculation
Most recent info I've seen on that is from last July. Will try to find updated information.
I don't know what could be taken from such information, if anything, but I guess we'll find out.
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Trump supported Single Payer healthcare in his book and this summer and is known to be completely reasonable when he is not shilling in front of crowds, so there is that.
but once he gets into office he has to deal with right wing nutbags in the House and Senate and as Carter suggeste, he has no fixed positions so I don't see him spending any time fighting for that
just my opinion.
I think the guy would spend most of his time tweeting
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but once he gets into office he has to deal with right wing nutbags in the House and Senate and as Carter suggeste, he has no fixed positions so I don't see him spending any time fighting for that
just my opinion.
I think the guy would spend most of his time tweeting
Probably less disastrous than any of the other Republicans save Kasich.
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Probably less disastrous than any of the other Republicans save Kasich.
can't argue with that
I'm already on the record on this board saying I'd choose Trump over Cruz (I think I said it a few days or a week before Carter's comment)
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here is Carters quote
so no "fixed positions" and 'malleable"
to me that means he could easily succumb to the far right in congress which I why I would prefer Kasich over Trump (if somehow that were the only option)
To me, it means he's open to making things work, even if that requires angering the interests who have so-far gotten their way.
But you've made a good case for Kasich. I'd completely dismissed him, before our little discussion on this thread.
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Trump supported Single Payer healthcare in his book and this summer and is known to be completely reasonable when he is not shilling in front of crowds, so there is that.
As a businessman, he knows what's up. He knows what a tragic mess our healthcare system is.
Difference between him and the others is that he doesn't view it as the "perfect opportunity" to get into bed with the insurers.
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One thing for sure. Every time I see Obama, my BP goes through the roof.
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To me, it means he's open to making things work, even if that requires angering the interests who have so-far gotten their way.
But you've made a good case for Kasich. I'd completely dismissed him, before our little discussion on this thread.
I talked to my far right wing father (who lives in Texas where I grew up) and the only guy we both liked on the Republican side is Kasich.
We never agree on anything in regards to politics.
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I talked to my far right wing father (who lives in Texas where I grew up) and the only guy we both liked on the Republican side is Kasich.
We never agree on anything in regards to politics.
He prefers Kasich over the others? I'm surprised he hasn't jumped on the Cruz Machine. What does he say about Cruz (and Rubio)?
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He prefers Kasich over the others? I'm surprised he hasn't jumped on the Cruz Machine. What does he say about Cruz (and Rubio)?
He hates them all, especially Trump and Cruz
I didn't even metioned Kasich. He's the one who brought it first
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He hates them all, especially Trump and Cruz
I didn't even metioned Kasich. He's the one who brought it first
Has he mentioned a specific beef with with Cruz?
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Has he mentioned a specific beef with with Cruz?
can't stand him on a gut level
the only guy he hates more is Trump
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can't stand him on a gut level
the only guy he hates more is Trump
What has he said about Trump? If Trump hasn't put himself out there (with specific ideas to hate on), what does your dad dislike about him? Is it the fact Trump is stealing the thunder from everyone else?
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What has he said about Trump? If Trump hasn't put himself out there (with specific ideas to hate on), what does your dad dislike about him? Is it the fact Trump is stealing the thunder from everyone else?
nothing specific but he (my dad) is a conservative Catholic (grew up on Brooklyn) and hates vulgarity (I once made the mistake of showing him the Big Lebowski having forgotten that every other word was the f-bomb... he lasted about 5 minutes and then walked out).
I think having lived in Texas a long time and before that in Oklahoma he's also sick of fundie christians (though he would never call them).
All I can tell you is that he hates Cruz and Trump with a passion.
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nothing specific but he (my dad) is a conservative Catholic (grew up on Brooklyn) and hates vulgarity (I once made the mistake of showing him the Big Lebowski having forgotten that every other word was the f-bomb... he lasted about 5 minutes and then walked out).
I think having lived in Texas a long time and before that in Oklahoma he's also sick of fundie christians (though he would never call them).
All I can tell you is that he hates Cruz and Trump with a passion.
Was he a Buchanan supporter in the past, by any chance?
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Was he a Buchanan supporter in the past, by any chance?
don't know
we didn't discuss politics at the time he was a candidate
I would likely guess yes given that Buchanan is right wing and Catholic
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don't know
we didn't discuss politics at the time he was a candidate
I would likely guess yes given that Buchanan is right wing and Catholic
Yes, Buchanan was the first person to come to mind when you were describing your dad.
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Although Pat Buchanan does seem to have a good sense of humor, which sets him apart from many other "Old School" "Beat them Senseless" Catholics.
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Yes, I will look up any info available on that other issue and post back later. Never know what's out there. Maybe it will be interesting and useful, or maybe it won't.
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If your party was smart they would get behind Kasich. He's socially moderate (just like the majority of the country) but still a conservative. He's probably got the most executive and legislative experience of all the candidates and he's not a right wing fundie or a pathological liar (I'm looking at you Christie)
Put it this way. If it were between him and Hilary it's quite likely I'd vote for Kasich
I don't have a huge issue with him. I don't like his debate style but that's minor. He was in Congress when they dragged Bill to the center. I'm glad that he's getting into the social stuff. Social engineering is great when gas in 99 cents, every raghead is a smoking pile and we're all driving Mercedes AMG's. The real important shit is far to serious right now to worry about homo's or abortion.
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It will take some research to get anything meaningful out of that breakdown, and some work (including guesswork, this early).
But here's an interesting site: 270towin.com
Will stay on the question over time. Obviously, it's due to become easier when we're looking at two people instead of the number we're currently working with.
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If Trump implodes for any reason, I suppose there's some real chance that it will be Kasich filling that space.
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If Trump implodes for any reason, I suppose there's some real chance that it will be Kasich filling that space.
I think he's gonna slump too, after New Hampshire. He lived there, practically. He called all 9 of the people in that first town that voted. He's been putting all his organization and planning into this state. He'll likely be back to 4% in South Carolina, he's a moderate RINO and the south wants trump with a pitchfork with Cruz 2nd.
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I think he's gonna slump too, after New Hampshire. He lived there, practically. He called all 9 of the people in that first town that voted. He's been putting all his organization and planning into this state. He'll likely be back to 4% in South Carolina, he's a moderate RINO and the south wants trump with a pitchfork with Cruz 2nd.
I just don't know what to expect. I really don't. And this is one of those times when that really sucks.
The missed debate was some sort of turning point for him, I believe. Maybe he realized how petty it was to cut off communication with all of us just because he's mad at some chick from FOX.
He's probably torn between wanting a successful run for office, and wishing the whole thing would go away.
And none of this considers the very real possibility that he's playing for Hillary to win, or that he was never serious to begin with.
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He's probably torn between wanting a successful run for office, and wishing the whole thing would go away.
And none of this considers the very real possibility that he's playing for Hillary to win, or that he was never serious to begin with.
I think he figured he'd grow his brand, have some fun, plan a nice way out (which may still be in place after he makes chaos of the GOP nomination), then a quiet retreat of "I feel I can do MORE for america by skipping the presidency and building this wall.... " which never materializes. He gets Rubio to promise him the wall contract, he quietly steps back and is the winner that didn't have to take the job. AND/OR, it's all about his wedding buddy Hilary winning the job.
Trump is NOT a hard worker. He will be MISERABLE in the 14 hours days of paperwork at the white house. He's a celeb with a solid gold living room who is 70 and doesn't work all that much these days. The white house is NOT as nice as his current home. The prez limo is NOT as nice as his own rolls royce, he's already said so.
Trump loves 3 things - making deals, building things, and public battles. Guess what, America... a president doesn't really do ANY of these 3 things. Congress makes deals. Governors build things. And TV pundits have public battles. Presidents are dignified spokesmen and cheerleaders who quietly make decisions in boring rooms surrounded with boring bald people, 7 days a week. That ain't trump.
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I think he figured he'd grow his brand, have some fun, plan a nice way out (which may still be in place after he makes chaos of the GOP nomination), then a quiet retreat of "I feel I can do MORE for america by skipping the presidency and building this wall.... " which never materializes. He gets Rubio to promise him the wall contract, he quietly steps back and is the winner that didn't have to take the job. AND/OR, it's all about his wedding buddy Hilary winning the job.
Trump is NOT a hard worker. He will be MISERABLE in the 14 hours days of paperwork at the white house. He's a celeb with a solid gold living room who is 70 and doesn't work all that much these days. The white house is NOT as nice as his current home. The prez limo is NOT as nice as his own rolls royce, he's already said so.
Trump loves 3 things - making deals, building things, and public battles. Guess what, America... a president doesn't really do ANY of these 3 things. Congress makes deals. Governors build things. And TV pundits have public battles. Presidents are dignified spokesmen and cheerleaders who quietly make decisions in boring rooms surrounded with boring bald people, 7 days a week. That ain't trump.
Yeah, I'd say that it makes him torn between the two things. His desire to have what could be considered the ultimate title vs. wanting to have his life without the "work" that goes into it. If he's really what he seemed to be all these years, I think the choice to get the title will win out.
Only thing that could stop it would be a fear of failure. Nothing else (but a scam for hilary, of course).
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I just don't know what to expect. I really don't. And this is one of those times when that really sucks.
The missed debate was some sort of turning point for him, I believe. Maybe he realized how petty it was to cut off communication with all of us just because he's mad at some chick from FOX.
He's probably torn between wanting a successful run for office, and wishing the whole thing would go away.
And none of this considers the very real possibility that he's playing for Hillary to win, or that he was never serious to begin with.
240?
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240?
Today Trump claimed that his NH victory was so big because he called Ted Cruz a "p*ssy".
This level of trash is juuuuust bad enough to alienate swing voters, but super duper cool for the GOP primary races.
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240?
Only time will tell. When the General shapes up, Trump will need to attempt to cause whatever his intentions say he is to do. Any bullshit happening will become much more difficult to plow at that point.