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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Princess L on February 27, 2016, 11:57:42 AM
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Gotta love this guy 8)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-milwaukee-sheriff-takes-black-lives-matter-movement-120700515.html
"If there was a white sheriff making those statements, they would have demanded his resignation by now,"
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What's funny is "they" think more black cops on the force will solve the racist issue and shootings. Black cops will have no problem taking out thugs. Of course the media won't report those shootings...And the Black Lives Matter group won't protest those...
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Being British I'm not really au fait with the whole BLM thing. However, Ive been reading some stuff about Chicago recently (bit late to the party I know) and why are people not protesting in the streets about whats going on there. It is absolutely crazy.
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'calling the group "Black Lies Matter," and labeling its members "subhuman creeps" and calling for the movement's eradication "from American society." '
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Is he denying there's an issue?
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Gotta love this guy 8)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-milwaukee-sheriff-takes-black-lives-matter-movement-120700515.html
"If there was a white sheriff making those statements, they would have demanded his resignation by now,"
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100% truth! :'(
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Is he denying there's an issue?
he is a denier but it's not remarkable
for example, one can find many females against the women's movement.
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he is a denier but it's not remarkable
for example, one can find many females against the women's movement.
I think it's silly that BLM's main focus isn't improving the community so less of us end up dead at police hands.
^ being said, admitting there's a problem is usually the first step to making some improvement. There is a problem with some police, period.
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Is he denying there's an issue?
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:D
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Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well.
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I think it's silly that BLM's main focus isn't improving the community so less of us end up dead at police hands.
^ being said, admitting there's a problem is usually the first step to making some improvement. There is a problem with some police, period.
really not radical to agree with the conclusions of the department of justice. this fellow also sided with the fine gentlemen who took over that bird sanctuary in oregon for instance.
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He's special, LOL!
I'm a confirmed cynic and feel shit will keep happening until everyone shares the same level of safety in society.
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Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well.
I don't believe this.
surely such a charge would be denied quite forcefully.
eagerly awaiting this denial.
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Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well.
Not at all.
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He's special, LOL!
I'm a confirmed cynic and feel shit will keep happening until everyone shares the same level of safety in society.
people have to take the chips off their shoulder
it starts there
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Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Can't have them Blacks thinking different.
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Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well.
Why? Because I respect the guy for speaking out? Oh brother ::)
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Is he denying there's an issue?
Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well.
Imbeciles.
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Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist.
Why?
Because she's agreeing with and supporting a black guy?
Christ, you're an idiot.
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Why? Because I respect the guy for speaking out? Oh brother ::)
I'm with you and have great respect for David Clarke.
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dr.chimps giving oldtimer a run for his money for the title of "Most Bitter Old Man on Getbig"
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Black urban youth lives don't matter though, be honest, they dont
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I think it's silly that BLM's main focus isn't improving the community so less of us end up dead at police hands.
^ being said, admitting there's a problem is usually the first step to making some improvement. There is a problem with some police, period.
yeh i'm sure back in the day a lot of slaves would have been spared too if they could have just kept each other in line a bit better.
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http://abc7.com/news/3-stabbed-at-kkk-gathering-in-anaheim/1221868/ (http://abc7.com/news/3-stabbed-at-kkk-gathering-in-anaheim/1221868/)
3 stabbed at KKK gathering in Anaheim
Updated 16 mins ago
ANAHEIM, Calif. --
Three people were stabbed Saturday, one critically, after a small group of Ku Klux Klan members staging an anti-immigrant rally in Southern California clashed with a larger gathering of counter-protesters, police said.
The violence erupted shortly after noon in Anaheim's Pearson Park, about 3 miles from Disneyland. The KKK had advertised plans for the rally and about 30 anti-Klan protesters showed up beforehand, said Anaheim Police Sgt. Daron Wyatt said. When the Klan members arrived they were attacked as they exited their cars, he said.
One Klansman stabbed a counter-protester with the decorative end of a flag pole, Wyatt said. That stabbing set off a vicious brawl in which Klan members and protesters fought across an entire city block.
One Anaheim police sergeant saw a Klan member with a knife in his hand and a counter-protester bleeding nearby, Wyatt said. The sergeant took the KKK member into custody. Meanwhile, counter-protesters stomped on two KKK members, he said.
Wyatt said police were present when the violence erupted but did not say how many officers were deployed.
Brian Levin, director of California State University, San Bernardino's Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism, witnessed the violence and told the Los Angeles Times he saw no police when it started.
Chris Barker, who identified himself as the "imperial wizard" of the Loyal White Knights of the KKK, said his members were holding a peaceful anti-immigration demonstration and acted in self-defense.
"If we're attacked we will attack back," said Barker, who did not attend the rally and spoke by phone from North Carolina. The organization lists Pelham, N.C., as its headquarters.
In total, 13 people were detained; six Klan members in connection with three stabbings and seven counter-protesters suspected of assaulting KKK members. All the injured were male. None was immediately identified.
The KKK has a long history in Anaheim. In the 1920s some Klansmen held elected office in the city, which was overwhelmingly white but now has a majority of Hispanics among its roughly 350,000 residents.
In January 2015, packets containing fliers condemning Martin Luther King Jr. and supporting the Ku Klux Klan were left in the driveways of about 40 homes in Santa Ana, about 8 miles south of Anaheim. The fliers opened with the heading "On Martin Luther King Day, you are celebrating a communist pervert." The bottom of the fliers stated they came from the "Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."
Nationwide, the number of active KKK groups increased to 190 in 2015 after falling in 2013 and 2014, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.
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I believe at this point whites should not be permitted to be cops or teachers or healthcare workers in black towns. If they hate whites so much, they should do without them! Racism problem solved.
Oh wait, when all the whites are gone, there will be no other race to blame for their own misery or to prey upon or to parasitize from or no one dumb enough to fall for their shit. We'll also see where their attitudes go.
One of the reasons why Hebrews and recent off-the-boat-or-plane people are so goddamn arrogant and assertive is because they have the innate sense that White Americans are suckers and have devolved from the most dominant race on this earth to a race of cowards who allow their own lives, safety, culture, and countries to be destroyed (and their women assaulted and raped).
The other reason the behave this way is because they know in their own countries, if they pulled the same shit, they might meet their end via machete hackings, "rubber necklaces", and fatal beatings. Not like that with the stupid white sucker.
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I believe at this point whites should not be permitted to be cops or teachers or healthcare workers in black towns. If they hate whites so much, they should do without them! Racism problem solved.
Oh wait, when all the whites are gone, there will be no other race to blame for their own misery or to prey upon or to parasitize from or no one dumb enough to fall for their shit. We'll also see where their attitudes go.
One of the reasons why Hebrews and recent off-the-boat-or-plane people are so goddamn arrogant and assertive is because they have the innate sense that White Americans are suckers and have devolved from the most dominant race on this earth to a race of cowards who allow their own lives, safety, culture, and countries to be destroyed (and their women assaulted and raped).
The other reason the behave this way is because they know in their own countries, if they pulled the same shit, they might meet their end via machete hackings, "rubber necklaces", and fatal beatings. Not like that with the stupid white sucker.
You poor thing. :)
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yeh i'm sure back in the day a lot of slaves would have been spared too if they could have just kept each other in line a bit better.
SMH, that not is even an equivalent analogy. But, your response kinda reeks of white paternalism.
That these folks in said communities cannot take care of themselves, their communities or obey the laws without some "help", because they "lack" something.
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SMH, that not is even an equivalent analogy. But, your response kinda reeks of white paternalism.
That these folks in said communities cannot take care of themselves, their communities or obey the laws without some "help", because they "lack" something.
of course it is a great analogy.
BLM is addressing a problem the US has with an institutionally biassed justice system, a two tier system that treats citizens differently based on race.
saying that BLM should first focus on black behaviour is a justification of that system.
it's got nothing to do with asking for "help" or taking care of anyone. it's about equality. people generally wanted to be treated equally, if they're doing something wrong(or not) they expect to get the same treatment from the authorities as another citizen would.
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You poor thing. :)
Don't worry about me. I'm not white, nor a sucker.
Is that your stupid response when you have nothing to say or something's over your head?
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of course it is a great analogy.
BLM is addressing a problem the US has with an institutionally biassed justice system, a two tier system that treats citizens differently based on race.
saying that BLM should first focus on black behaviour is a justification of that system.
it's got nothing to do with asking for "help" or taking care of anyone. it's about equality. people generally wanted to be treated equally, if they're doing something wrong(or not) they expect to get the same treatment from the authorities as another citizen would.
There is no such thing as equality. It is a farce that people have bought into. There will always be the have and the have nots. It should be opportunity, give people the chance. You, in thought process have in a back door way, justified black people to be perpetual victims. Needing protection from the very same people who are the alleged perpetrators. How much sense does that make? So, that means giving up more power to empower the very same people who you say are committing the acts? Drkaje never said to first focus, he said that it is silly that their main focus is. BLM main focus should the better of black lives, neighborhoods, children, black men and women. Period. And that includes the law enforcement situation. And it doesn't matter if you change the color of the officers. What needs to be done is that all parties come to table to help solve the problem, as well as help with other problems. By doing that, it is empowering the community as well.
Hell, if the Brits had their way, we'd still be under their yoke, talk about EQUALITY.
And of course it's a great analogy to you, because it seems that you'd rather see black folk be constantly helped and continually be a victim, because it empowers you. You are needed, it makes you feel needed. It's white paternalism.
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http://abc7.com/news/3-stabbed-at-kkk-gathering-in-anaheim/1221868/ (http://abc7.com/news/3-stabbed-at-kkk-gathering-in-anaheim/1221868/)
3 stabbed at KKK gathering in Anaheim
Is here someone who believs that KKK started to attack innocent people in their rally? ::)
I dont hear that white groups start to attack black panthers or BLM when they have a rally.
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of course it is a great analogy.
BLM is addressing a problem the US has with an institutionally biassed justice system, a two tier system that treats citizens differently based on race.
saying that BLM should first focus on black behaviour is a justification of that system.
it's got nothing to do with asking for "help" or taking care of anyone. it's about equality. people generally wanted to be treated equally, if they're doing something wrong(or not) they expect to get the same treatment from the authorities as another citizen would.
yes indeedy and the department of justice agrees with you.
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Is here someone who believs that KKK started to attack innocent people in their rally? ::)
I dont hear that white groups start to attack black panthers or BLM when they have a rally.
lol reduced to defending the kkk
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lol reduced to defending the kkk
then why black celebrities defend black panther or black lives matter - they are racist movements too? Then its ok and their are praised for standing up... lol
Beyonce had a show where she and her dancers were dressed as black panthers.
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anyway as stated before this fellow doesn't rise to the level of imporantace of a phylis schafly
she makes some excellent points such as "don't date a feminist" and "women should not receive equal pay with men"
and "By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape." :D
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yes indeedy a highly "respectable" lady in comparison to this gentleman, very courageous!
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then why black celebrities defend black panther or black lives matter - they are racist movements too? Then its ok and their are praised for standing up... lol
Beyonce had a show where she and her dancers were dressed as black panthers.
hey doofus, crawl back into whatever hole you came out of and shut up
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Gotta love this guy 8)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-milwaukee-sheriff-takes-black-lives-matter-movement-120700515.html
"If there was a white sheriff making those statements, they would have demanded his resignation by now,"
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I wonder if there would be a spot in Washington for him if Trump were elected.
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The real reason white liberals hang on to the race card for dear life is that the other possibility is too hard to accept:
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Hmm. A mod has been revealed to be a trade racist. Oh, well.
Such a ridiculous statement. ::)
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AWESOME
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There is no such thing as equality. It is a farce that people have bought into. There will always be the have and the have nots. It should be opportunity, give people the chance. You, in thought process have in a back door way, justified black people to be perpetual victims. Needing protection from the very same people who are the alleged perpetrators. How much sense does that make? So, that means giving up more power to empower the very same people who you say are committing the acts? Drkaje never said to first focus, he said that it is silly that their main focus is. BLM main focus should the better of black lives, neighborhoods, children, black men and women. Period. And that includes the law enforcement situation. And it doesn't matter if you change the color of the officers. What needs to be done is that all parties come to table to help solve the problem, as well as help with other problems. By doing that, it is empowering the community as well.
Hell, if the Brits had their way, we'd still be under their yoke, talk about EQUALITY.
And of course it's a great analogy to you, because it seems that you'd rather see black folk be constantly helped and continually be a victim, because it empowers you. You are needed, it makes you feel needed. It's white paternalism.
to clarify again, BLM is addressing a judicial system that shows less regard for citizens of one race than it does another.
when a group of people are being treated unfairly/attacked the main focus should quite rightly be on getting the attacker to modify their behaviour, you don't place the MAIN focus on the victim modifying their behaviour. that is just some subservient BS.
and where are you getting this ridiculous notion that what i'm saying has anything to do with asking for "help" or "protection"?
refusing to accept a law system that puts one race below another is not asking for a favour. it's a right that everyone should expect and be afforded in a civilised society.
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Don't worry about me. I'm not white, nor a sucker.
Is that your stupid response when you have nothing to say or something's over your head?
Your post was/is so stupid it evokes pity. It's like when Shizzo admitted trying cock.
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to clarify again, BLM is addressing a judicial system that shows less regard for citizens of one race than it does another.
when a group of people are being treated unfairly/attacked the main focus should quite rightly be on getting the attacker to modify their behaviour, you don't place the MAIN focus on the victim modifying their behaviour. that is just some subservient BS.
and where are you getting this ridiculous notion that what i'm saying has anything to do with asking for "help" or "protection"?
refusing to accept a law system that puts one race below another is not asking for a favour. it's a right that everyone should expect and be afforded in a civilised society.
There is nothing civilized about being a criminal and the aptly termed "gangsta" lifestyle is anything but civilization personified.
“To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace.”
I seriously doubt the author of this meant that laws should be changed to favor criminals of color over criminals of non-color. Those words speak the truth for all men. It's called justice, not just us.
It's not a crime to be black or white and no one should be punished for either but some people see evil everywhere but within. Go look into a mirror to see that which is holding you back. That goes for everyone.
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he is a denier but it's not remarkable
for example, one can find many females against the women's movement.
i cringe
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I think it's silly that BLM's main focus isn't improving the community so less of us end up dead at police hands.
^ being said, admitting there's a problem is usually the first step to making some improvement. There is a problem with some police, period.
Agree, its essential to hold police accountable so they don't overstep their legal bounds. That being said, they have some of the most difficult jobs and are expected to act cool under grave physical threats, which is not easy. They are despised in some of these communities, partially for the wrong cases of brutality when it does happen, but mostly because they are trying to establish order and rules in parts of a community that doesn't want to follow rules.
The tone of BLM is wrong even though their original complaint had merit. They accepted too many hateful people into their ranks and are always angry, yelling, protesting and destroying property, blocking streets and commerce. If they followed MLK, they would be much more supported by the general public. When one of BLM leaders asked what she truly wanted when being interviewed on the news, she said "white people are going to have to give up their power".
On another note, in 2016 the courts are not systemically racist any more (they were decades ago, certainly, to deny that is ignorance). Blacks males massively disproportionally commit crimes. I was speaking with a lawyer who said one reason there are so many black males in prison is the judges look at their entire record, not just the individual criminal act. Its not just the single drug charge or theft that puts someone away, it is the long history of criminal charges. I would never imprison anyone for simple drug charges.
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There is nothing civilized about being a criminal and the aptly termed "gangsta" lifestyle is anything but civilization personified.
“To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace.”
I seriously doubt the author of this meant that laws should be changed to favor criminals of color over criminals of non-color. Those words speak the truth for all men. It's called justice, not just us.
It's not a crime to be black or white and no one should be punished for either but some people see evil everywhere but within. Go look into a mirror to see that which is holding you back. That goes for everyone.
i'm not sure if you quoted the wrong post or something but nothing you posted really has any relevance to anything i posted.
who was talking about criminals or gangsta lifestyle or any other nonsense.
im talking about an expectation that the law treats all sections of society equally.
if you already think that happens then i don't suppose you would think there is any problem anyway.
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i'm not sure if you quoted the wrong post or something but nothing you posted really has any relevance to anything i posted.
who was talking about criminals or gangsta lifestyle or any other nonsense.
im talking about an expectation that the law treats all sections of society equally.
if you already think that happens then i don't suppose you would think there is any problem anyway.
In 2016, the law absolutely treats everyone equally when you consider not just the sentence for the individual crime, but the entire criminal record of the criminal, which often leads to prison time. My brother is a criminal lawyer and often takes cases assigned to him defending criminals. You should see how many have long rap sheets, repetitive criminality. Surveillance and enforcement may be unequally administered in certain communities, agree.
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yeh i'm sure back in the day a lot of slaves would have been spared too if they could have just kept each other in line a bit better.
What does that have to do with 2016? The world 150-200yrs ago looks nothing like it does now. Dr. Kaje is right...the focus and tone matters. While focusing on cases of police brutality (and we insist these bad cops are removed) groups must address criminality, dysfunction and disrespect in their own communities. That doesn't just get thrown out because there are some isolated cases of over policing!
Conker, are you from the US? Appreciate your comments but you won't completely appreciate what is going on unless you live here or have been in these communities. I have the benefit of talking with a lot of police officers in a big city with a lot of high crime areas.
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There is no such thing as equality. It is a farce that people have bought into. There will always be the have and the have nots. It should be opportunity, give people the chance. You, in thought process have in a back door way, justified black people to be perpetual victims. Needing protection from the very same people who are the alleged perpetrators. How much sense does that make? So, that means giving up more power to empower the very same people who you say are committing the acts? Drkaje never said to first focus, he said that it is silly that their main focus is. BLM main focus should the better of black lives, neighborhoods, children, black men and women. Period. And that includes the law enforcement situation. And it doesn't matter if you change the color of the officers. What needs to be done is that all parties come to table to help solve the problem, as well as help with other problems. By doing that, it is empowering the community as well.
Hell, if the Brits had their way, we'd still be under their yoke, talk about EQUALITY.
And of course it's a great analogy to you, because it seems that you'd rather see black folk be constantly helped and continually be a victim, because it empowers you. You are needed, it makes you feel needed. It's white paternalism.
Agree
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hey doofus, crawl back into whatever hole you came out of and shut up
But you just started to love my posts, hop of my dick libtard fag and go to uncle Sharpton homepage, there you will have a chance to tingle each others balls with a hard on.
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But you just started to love my posts, hop of my dick libtard fag and go to uncle Sharpton homepage, there you will have a chance to tingle each others balls with a hard on.
you are a worm
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What does that have to do with 2016? The world 150-200yrs ago looks nothing like it does now. Dr. Kaje is right...the focus and tone matters. While focusing on cases of police brutality (and we insist these bad cops are removed) groups must address criminality, dysfunction and disrespect in their own communities. That doesn't just get thrown out because there are some isolated cases of over policing!
Conker, are you from the US? Appreciate your comments but you won't completely appreciate what is going on unless you live here or have been in these communities. I have the benefit of talking with a lot of police officers in a big city with a lot of high crime areas.
Talking with police officers who work in high crime area doesn't give you anymore insight than talking to a lot of BLMers. You're getting only part of the story from an unbalanced perspective. No, it is not necessary or even logical to say that if you address police abuses, then you have to address crime in the community, too. It's a specious rationale. They're two separate issues.
BLM's focus on unaccounted for murders is an acknowledgement of a tippling point. Realistically, the more routine day-to-day policing of minority communities is where the real damage occurs. Law enforcement has been one of the most destructive forces for lower income, minority communities in the last 30 years.
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Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.
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Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.
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No, it's not.
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Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.
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hey robot
you already posted this
try to produce an original thought other than...blah blah blah liberal, left failure this and that
know you won't respond to this since you are incapable of participating in a conversation, if you do please start off by answering the question posed to you at least 5 times.
WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?
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No, it's not.
In your mind. You also believe you don't give off a creepy vibe. That doesn't mean it's not a possibility.
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hey robot
you already posted this
try to produce an original thought other than...blah blah blah liberal, left failure this and that
know you won't respond to this since you are incapable of participating in a conversation, if you do please start off by answering the question posed to you at least 5 times.
WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?
You have me confused with someone who has to answer to tools on the Internet. Stay in your nice Canadian neighborhood and stop pretending to be a tough guy. You're not.
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What does that have to do with 2016? The world 150-200yrs ago looks nothing like it does now. Dr. Kaje is right...the focus and tone matters. While focusing on cases of police brutality (and we insist these bad cops are removed) groups must address criminality, dysfunction and disrespect in their own communities. That doesn't just get thrown out because there are some isolated cases of over policing!
Conker, are you from the US? Appreciate your comments but you won't completely appreciate what is going on unless you live here or have been in these communities. I have the benefit of talking with a lot of police officers in a big city with a lot of high crime areas.
it was just an analogy, wasn't suggesting the world is the same now as it was 150yrs ago.
police brutality is a completely separate issue to that of any problems the black community may need to address themselves. trying to lump them together is just trying to justify the wrongful actions and attitude of the law.
it implies that because a number of people in a community have previous for 'acting up' this justifies the authorities in treating the entire community in a different way than they do the rest of society.
no am from the uk. not saying i know exactly what is going on in the US. but i take quite an interest in what's going on around the world, have listened to enough of the commentary , seen enough of the statistics and seen enough of the high profile cases to be pretty confident that there is fire with the smoke in this case.
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You have me confused with someone who has to answer to tools on the Internet. Stay in your nice Canadian neighborhood and stop pretending to be a tough guy. You're not.
oohhh a response!!!!!!!
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In your mind. You also believe you don't give off a creepy vibe. That doesn't mean it's not a possibility.
No, not in my mind. Statistically, it doesn't make sense.
It's a possibility anyone gives off a creepy vibe. :-\
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Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.
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Jim Crow actually allowed blacks to flourish and prosper. Don't believe me, look up Black Wall Street. The reason why it crumbled is when segregation ended and the blacks started shopping and going to white businesses. Until then, blacks were building up financial wealth and a power base.
Jim Crow laws were not entirely what you think they were or what is "taught".
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this is the part where we get to invite TA to the nearest black neighborhood so that the inhabitants may benefit directly from his teachings.
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this is the part where we get to invite TA to the nearest black neighborhood so that the inhabitants may benefit directly from his teachings.
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Oh, I have been to them and they could benefit greatly. Its funny that no matter what city I am in, when I go through the black areas, its EXACTLY the same. Same living conditions, same way of life, same everything pretty much. Its more than just a trend.
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Oh, I have been to them and they could benefit greatly. Its funny that no matter what city I am in, when I go through the black areas, its EXACTLY the same. Same living conditions, same way of life, same everything pretty much. Its more than just a trend.
will never forget such nuggets of wisdom like "slavery was an equal opportunity system". Black people need to know this.
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will never forget such nuggets of wisdom like "slavery was an equal opportunity system". Black people need to know this.
Who said that? I didn't. That was Uberman who said that.
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this is the part where we get to invite TA to the nearest black neighborhood so that the inhabitants may benefit directly from his teachings.
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Limiting his wisdumb to GetBig is selfish.
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Who said that? I didn't. That was Uberman who said that.
hmm I must have conflated this comment with yours. Relieved to know this.
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hmm I must have conflated this comment with yours. Relieved to know this.
So why do blacks like Hillary? You do realize Bill Clinton's goal was to move the Democratic Party to the right and he was successful. Hillary Clinton also has that plan and has admitted it.
Is this what blacks want? ??? Or do they even know about this or even know what they want?
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Talking with police officers who work in high crime area doesn't give you anymore insight than talking to a lot of BLMers. You're getting only part of the story from an unbalanced perspective. No, it is not necessary or even logical to say that if you address police abuses, then you have to address crime in the community, too. It's a specious rationale. They're two separate issues.
BLM's focus on unaccounted for murders is an acknowledgement of a tippling point. Realistically, the more routine day-to-day policing of minority communities is where the real damage occurs. Law enforcement has been one of the most destructive forces for lower income, minority communities in the last 30 years.
I would argue the community has no choice but to have heavy police presence in these areas because of the sheer #s of crime if left unattended (so many even with police presence). The officers will say that assertive policing has reduced overall crime. Its a fine line, I agree. Left alone, many of these areas will erupt into crime and chaos, it is the truth. Cops should never beat up on people, I support an individual's rights (until they commit crimes then I am less forgiving). In these neighborhoods, by the way I lived in a low income inner city neighborhood for a couple yrs end of college, the criminals will prey upon the innocent and weak in these communities....you probably know that to be true. 1st day my friends and I moved in guy came over trying to sell us crack, happened a couple times, then people broken our windows later, then guy nearly stole my friend's car till he chased after him, heard yelling commonly, and occasional shots. After a while people left us alone thankfully but if you don't stick up for yourself, you'll be a victim. If police aren't tough, they will be victims in this community. There is a different mentality of dominance. All I'm saying is that it is a complicated issue and the massive rally against police in the media and spurred by BLM and suburban liberal whites is not considering how difficult these areas are to establish control in. You're right, speaking to police is not an unbiased view, I agree, but these guys are shot at or attacked most days and many people in these communities absolutely hate them, regardless of the race of the officer. Sometimes times Hispanic officers are even attacked because they look white. We need to get rid of cops that commit brutalities but to ignore the dysfunction and criminals in these communities is ridiculous.
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It's not a crime to be black or white and no one should be punished for either
Existing within a caucasian meat sack is in fact a hate crime….. caucasians are to be locked up or killed so that 'people of color' can finally find peace and happiness.
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it was just an analogy, wasn't suggesting the world is the same now as it was 150yrs ago.
police brutality is a completely separate issue to that of any problems the black community may need to address themselves. trying to lump them together is just trying to justify the wrongful actions and attitude of the law.
it implies that because a number of people in a community have previous for 'acting up' this justifies the authorities in treating the entire community in a different way than they do the rest of society.
no am from the uk. not saying i know exactly what is going on in the US. but i take quite an interest in what's going on around the world, have listened to enough of the commentary , seen enough of the statistics and seen enough of the high profile cases to be pretty confident that there is fire with the smoke in this case.
Cheers. Good debating. The problem of crime/dysfunction in the community and aggressive policing, although you could separate, is definitely related. These rough inner city communities are tough places to police, its a cycle now of crime, isolated cases of police brutality and then learned hate and contempt. In some regards, police have to establish respect or dominance or be taken advantage of and possibly killed. Its not an easy problem to fix. You're often dealing with violent and low educated people who sometimes only respond to force. Then you have some officers who just use far too much force, but Conker, the media highlights the overboard cases. Most police are doing their job within their bounds in a very harsh environment.
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So why do blacks like Hillary? You do realize Bill Clinton's goal was to move the Democratic Party to the right and he was successful. Hillary Clinton also has that plan and has admitted it.
Is this what blacks want? ??? Or do they even know about this or even know what they want?
these are excellent questions. I don't think there's anything special about this moment though since the system is rigged against pretty much all voters and has been for decades. I'm stunned with the support bernie has gathered. people almost never support the own interests politically. it's very unusual to see.
The truth is its not a well organised community and it will simply take some work to get that done. the way to do it is by working within the rights protest framework and capitalizing on that energy.
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these are excellent questions. I don't think there's anything special about this moment though since the system is rigged against pretty much all voters and has been for decades. I'm stunned with the support bernie has gathered. people almost never support the own interests politically. it's very unusual to see.
The truth is its not a well organised community and it will simply take some work to get that done. the way to do it is by working within the rights protest framework and capitalizing on that energy.
I don't think anything is rigged. Thats a cop out. People have a choice. Its simple to learn about Bernie Sanders and his policies and compare them Hilary Clinton and make a judgement as to which platform is best suited for themselves and for America. Yet they do not do this. I really think its nostalgia for the 90s. I think even Vince Goodrum is under that spell, stuck in the 90s.
Unless you want the Democratic party to move further to the right, then it makes sense. But is that what they want?
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I don't think anything is rigged. Thats a cop out. People have a choice. Its simple to learn about Bernie Sanders and his policies and compare them Hilary Clinton and make a judgement as to which platform is best suited for themselves and for America. Yet they do not do this. I really think its nostalgia for the 90s. I think even Vince Goodrum is under that spell, stuck in the 90s.
Unless you want the Democratic party to move further to the right, then it makes sense. But is that what they want?
I do, too. I think you hit that one right on the button. And that's for the few who even bothered to give it a moment of thought.
Pretty superficial, sad, ridiculous, stupid and meaningless way to make decisions. I'll admit to being very disappointed with the A-As. I thought they may grab their chance to rise above -- but they failed.
So far, at least, that's true. Let's hope the rest of them think about the mistakes made in SC and NV.
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I do, too. I think you hit that one right on the button. And that's for the few who even bothered to give it a moment of thought.
Pretty superficial, sad, ridiculous, stupid and meaningless way to make decisions. I'll admit to being very disappointed with the A-As. I thought they may grab their chance to rise above -- but they failed.
So far, at least, that's true. Let's hope the rest of them think about the mistakes made in SC and NV.
Bernie is still very much in it as he does not have to worry about AA's to get the big delegate counts in states that favor him.
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I don't think anything is rigged. Thats a cop out. People have a choice. Its simple to learn about Bernie Sanders and his policies and compare them Hilary Clinton and make a judgement as to which platform is best suited for themselves and for America. Yet they do not do this. I really think its nostalgia for the 90s. I think even Vince Goodrum is under that spell, stuck in the 90s.
Unless you want the Democratic party to move further to the right, then it makes sense. But is that what they want?
you need about 1 billion dollars to run a campaign. so you can choose between the people who can mobilize that amount of money. thats just a general observation. That said I do agree Bernie represents a change.
As for Clinton, the mindset is that people will stick with what they know. Is it dysfunctional? Probably. Is it rational? probably not. Black people like Bill Clinton, this is not news. Bernie has a lot of work to do.
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Farrakhan: Don’t Fall For ‘Satan’ Hillary Clinton’s ‘Crap’
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Sunday at the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan said don’t “fall” for Democartic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s “crap” on African-American issues because she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton are responsible for mass incarceration of black people.
Farrakhan said, “How many of you are going to vote for Hillary Clinton? You don’t have to raise your hands. I do not blame you for wanting a female president, but that is a wicked woman. She can be sweet but so can you. And you know when you are sweet but playing a game. All of a sudden she knows about Trayvon Martin. All of a sudden—the boy’s been dead two years now—she talking about him like she met the mother and oh… White people this is Satan. And you fall for that crap? Most of you went to jail for having a little blunt. They arranged that—the Clintons. Mass incarceration came about under the Clintons, Don’t forget that. They call my young gang bangers super predators. And Black Lives Matter put it to her—she didn’t know how to handle that. Call you a super predator, that has no conscience, no sense of dignity like you are a dog, an animal. She gotta bring you to heal you my young brothers. This is what she said about you and she didn’t just say it—it became law and policy of the U.S. government under Bill Clinton and his wife, and now she is apologizing, but apologizing can’t bring back the broken families. Apologizing cant bring back those that been destroyed in prison life.”
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you need about 1 billion dollars to run a campaign. so you can choose between the people who can mobilized that amount of money. thats just a general observation. That said I do agree Bernie represents a change.
As for Clinton, the mindset is that people will stick with what they know. Is it dysfunctional? Probably. Is it rational? probably not. Black people like Bill Clinton, this is not news. Bernie has a lot of work to do.
Why do they like Bill Clinton? Nostalgia for the 90s? He is directly responsible for more blacks in jail and in poverty than any other president to date, including Republicans. George W. did more for blacks than Clinton, yet they love him.
I think its nostalgia for the 90s, false meme, and they are amused by him getting a blowjob in the whitehouse-something that amuses the black community writ large. It has ZERO to do with actual policies and programs.
They have access to all the information needed to make a judgement based on facts, yet they don't. From that I can only conclude that they are stupid.
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Bernie is still very much in it as he does not have to worry about AA's to get the big delegate counts in states that favor him.
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It's true that the longer people are exposed to Hillary, the less they trust her. So maybe there's some hope.
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Why do they like Bill Clinton? Nostalgia for the 90s? He is directly responsible for more blacks in jail and in poverty than any other president to date, including Republicans. George W. did more for blacks than Clinton, yet they love him.
I think its nostalgia for the 90s, false meme, and they are amused by him getting a blowjob in the whitehouse-something that amuses the black community writ large. It has ZERO to do with actual policies and programs.
They have access to all the information needed to make a judgement based on facts, yet they don't. From that I can only conclude that they are stupid.
nobody wins an election with policy...look at what trump did to Jeb hahaha it's all about soundbites.
Bernie doesn't poll high because of his policies either it's because people say he seems honest
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i'm not sure if you quoted the wrong post or something but nothing you posted really has any relevance to anything i posted.
who was talking about criminals or gangsta lifestyle or any other nonsense.
im talking about an expectation that the law treats all sections of society equally.
if you already think that happens then i don't suppose you would think there is any problem anyway.
There is nothing civilized about being a criminal and the aptly termed "gangsta" lifestyle is anything but civilization personified.
“To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace.”
I seriously doubt the author of this meant that laws should be changed to favor criminals of color over criminals of non-color. Those words speak the truth for all men. It's called justice, not just us.
It's not a crime to be black or white and no one should be punished for either but some people see evil everywhere but within. Go look into a mirror to see that which is holding you back. That goes for everyone.
The bold print speaks more directly toward your concerns.
As do the words of Theodore Roosevelt - "No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it."
And in the event you missed them the first time you read them, these are from Malcom X- “To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace.”
Actually, my entire post speaks to your concerns but I can understand pick and choose. We all do it.
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I would argue the community has no choice but to have heavy police presence in these areas because of the sheer #s of crime if left unattended (so many even with police presence). The officers will say that assertive policing has reduced overall crime. Its a fine line, I agree. Left alone, many of these areas will erupt into crime and chaos, it is the truth. Cops should never beat up on people, I support an individual's rights (until they commit crimes then I am less forgiving). In these neighborhoods, by the way I lived in a low income inner city neighborhood for a couple yrs end of college, the criminals will prey upon the innocent and weak in these communities....you probably know that to be true. 1st day my friends and I moved in guy came over trying to sell us crack, happened a couple times, then people broken our windows later, then guy nearly stole my friend's car till he chased after him, heard yelling commonly, and occasional shots. After a while people left us alone thankfully but if you don't stick up for yourself, you'll be a victim. If police aren't tough, they will be victims in this community. There is a different mentality of dominance. All I'm saying is that it is a complicated issue and the massive rally against police in the media and spurred by BLM and suburban liberal whites is not considering how difficult these areas are to establish control in. You're right, speaking to police is not an unbiased view, I agree, but these guys are shot at or attacked most days and many people in these communities absolutely hate them, regardless of the race of the officer. Sometimes times Hispanic officers are even attacked because they look white. We need to get rid of cops that commit brutalities but to ignore the dysfunction and criminals in these communities is ridiculous.
Why would I know that to be true?
And , no, it's not ridiculous to ignore crime levels in high crime areas when talking about police relations. I never said anything about there being a fine line between aggressive policing and police brutality, so I'm not sure who you were agreeing with.
A large part of poor police relations, and quite frankly, deceptively bloated crime statistics, stems from ridiculous drug enforcement policies, which are abusive, predatory, essentially racist and cause far more harm than good. I don't see a fine line here.
A few different posters have stated that liberal policies have destroyed the black family over the past 3 or 4 decade, when any clear-eyed analysis makes it pretty obvious that the blame really should be laid at the feet of law enforcement and absurd drug enforcement policies.
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Jim Crow actually allowed blacks to flourish and prosper. Don't believe me, look up Black Wall Street. The reason why it crumbled is when segregation ended and the blacks started shopping and going to white businesses. Until then, blacks were building up financial wealth and a power base.
Jim Crow laws were not entirely what you think they were or what is "taught".
This doesn't stand to reason. Black Wall Street was not the entire black economy. This is like saying "Monopolies were actually better for American citizens because John Rockefeller's and Andrew Carnegie's adjusted wealth was greater than any current American businessman." The black economy is, without question, bigger and more diverse now. The fact that the power of the black economy is not centralized within a few city blocks does not mean that was a better system for blacks.
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Why would I know that to be true?
And , no, it's not ridiculous to ignore crime levels in high crime areas when talking about police relations. I never said anything about there being a fine line between aggressive policing and police brutality, so I'm not sure who you were agreeing with.
A large part of poor police relations, and quite frankly, deceptively bloated crime statistics, stems from ridiculous drug enforcement policies, which are abusive, predatory, essentially racist and cause far more harm than good. I don't see a fine line here.
A few different posters have stated that liberal policies have destroyed the black family over the past 3 or 4 decade, when any clear-eyed analysis makes it pretty obvious that the blame really should be laid at the feet of law enforcement and absurd drug enforcement policies.
I assumed by your other response you knew something about inner city neighborhoods, apology if I was wrong. I don't know you or your background.
Agree about the war on drugs, our people should never go to prison over non-violent drug offenses and yes, agree again, it affects more young black males. However, more blame lies with repeated criminal behavior, dysfunctional families, maladaptive behaviors, poverty and lack of respect. These issues need front and center focus. We must also condemn police brutality but one problem in focusing so much on isolated cases of police brutality, is that many of the people in that community put blinders on to all the other issues and focus all their efforts and energies coming together to yell, complain and protest rather than help fix their community. Even if all aggressive police are off the streets, it doesn't change the root problems in the community. Regardless, it still requires attention because no one should be harassed that is not a criminal.
How about this then, why don't we take the police out of these communities and see what happens, very likely things will be worse because too many people will prey on others that need protection. Even though I fully fault the individual police that commit brutality and they need to be fired immediately, the criminal behavior, lack of respect for self and others, maladaptive habits, and dysfunctional families are not the police's fault whatsoever. Sounds like you are more on the blame the police and society bandwagon. People need to stop blaming everyone else and look at themselves to see how to fix things. Law enforcement is not ruining black communities, to insinuate that is just idiotic, in some of these areas dysfunctional behavior, broken families, maladaptive habits and criminality is the primary driver of that.
Oh, and I wrote the wrong word. I meant assertive policing not aggressive policing. The police consider assertive policing to be trying to head off crimes before they happen. It does involve some profiling but mainly the ability to question a suspicious person. That did work in NYC but there is a profiling element, which will always cause some error. In my city, this practice was known to have been pretty effective but with recent national events, police were told to back off.
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Sheriff Clarke is a great cop.
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The bold print speaks more directly toward your concerns.
As do the words of Theodore Roosevelt - "No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it."
And in the event you missed them the first time you read them, these are from Malcom X- “To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace.”
Actually, my entire post speaks to your concerns but I can understand pick and choose. We all do it.
i still don't see what relevance any of that has to do with what i posted.
they're great quotes but what do they do have to with BLM or what was being discussed?
are you saying that a lot of blacks are unreformed criminals therefore the whole community has to accept a different level of policing than others in society?
or that because roosevelt stated that all men should be equal in the eyes of the law, that today's legal system must be following his ideal?
i don't get what your argument is
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Lots of cluelessness in this thread. Rather than being aggressive, a typical cop who works in an inner city doesn't give a fuck and is looking to transfer out to a better neighborhood as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
If you were a cop in one of these "hoods," would you rush to respond to a "Domestic Dispute"?
With regard to drug laws, I happen to agree. A drug deal is a voluntary transaction. However, the flawed assumption is that drug dealers would be law abiding citizens if dealing weren't a viable option. On the contrary, they'd be engaged in a different type of criminal activity.
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Why would I know that to be true?
And , no, it's not ridiculous to ignore crime levels in high crime areas when talking about police relations. I never said anything about there being a fine line between aggressive policing and police brutality, so I'm not sure who you were agreeing with.
A large part of poor police relations, and quite frankly, deceptively bloated crime statistics, stems from ridiculous drug enforcement policies, which are abusive, predatory, essentially racist and cause far more harm than good. I don't see a fine line here.
A few different posters have stated that liberal policies have destroyed the black family over the past 3 or 4 decade, when any clear-eyed analysis makes it pretty obvious that the blame really should be laid at the feet of law enforcement and absurd drug enforcement policies.
In terms of aggressive policing (i.e., stop and frisk, profiling), it works in high crime areas. I know people hate its invasiveness but there's a benefit.
I think We were better off before welfare began in the 50s.
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In terms of aggressive policing (i.e., stop and frisk, profiling), it works in high crime areas. I know people hate its invasiveness but there's a benefit.
I think We were better off before welfare began in the 50s.
Yes life is so much better in the developed world if a proportion of society is left in complete destitution.
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Yes life is so much better in the developed world if a proportion of society is left in complete destitution.
Welfare created more poverty.
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Welfare created more poverty.
yeh sure, i'm sure there were proportionally far less poor people pre 50s. lol
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yeh sure, i'm sure there were proportionally far less poor people pre 50s. lol
Welfare is enlightened self-interest and has created generations of dependents. It's fine for maintaining the status quo but the extent to which it helps people improve their lives is questionable. People growing up on welfare and becoming successful is the exception, not the rule.
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In terms of aggressive policing (i.e., stop and frisk, profiling), it works in high crime areas. I know people hate its invasiveness but there's a benefit.
I think We were better off before welfare began in the 50s.
That's what I meant, not physically aggressive. Proactive/assertive policing like stop and frisk policy. I don't like people being harassed based on how they look but stop and frisk and questioning people have definitely lead to less crime in high crime areas.
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That's what I meant, not physically aggressive. Proactive/assertive policing like stop and frisk policy. I don't like people being harassed based on how they look but stop and frisk and questioning people have definitely lead to less crime in high crime areas.
So much of this bullshit is politicized that we'll never know where the line is. At this point, I barely know if a line even exists. I'm automatically suspicious of any agenda that can't be advanced without victims.
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With regard to drug laws, I happen to agree. A drug deal is a voluntary transaction. However, the flawed assumption is that drug dealers would be law abiding citizens if dealing weren't a viable option. On the contrary, they'd be engaged in a different type of criminal activity.
No, the flawed assumption is that all, or even most, of the people affected by drug laws are drug dealers. I don't have time to look up the exact figures right now, but drug related convictions account for nearly half of all current US convictions and the majority of those are exclusively possession charges. Meaning that there was no other charge accompanying like intent to distribute or a violent crime.
In terms of aggressive policing (i.e., stop and frisk, profiling), it works in high crime areas. I know people hate its invasiveness but there's a benefit.
There is no clear evidence that it works in high crime areas. Even the circumstantial evidence is sketchy. Cities that don't exercise such aggressive measures have had comparable drops in crime. In NYC, after our current mayor took office and stop and frisk was drastically dialed back, there was no explosion in crime. Stop and frisk was never good at its stated purpose of getting weapons off of the street, but you know what it was good at? Creating an artificial reason to search minority males under circumstances that would otherwise be illegal and eventually arrest them for weed possession. Weed possession- with no other charge attached- is responsible for the largest number of arrests in NYC, by a WIDE margin. This not only generates revenue for the city via fines, but it increases federal financial allocations. The majority of weed arrests are of black men- less than 8% this year were white. According to almost every study, drug use between whites and blacks by percentage is comparable.
I think We were better off before welfare began in the 50s.
Once again, let's defer to that old internet forum favorite "correlation does not equal causation". The rise of the welfare state coincides with the rise of drug paranoia in the US. Any reasonable, clear-eyed analysis will show that drug policies have a lot more to do with destroying black families- and black male lives, in particular- than welfare.
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one needs to define welfare first of all. The so called welfare state emerged during the golden age of capitalism. This is why one needs to disclose where their information comes from so that we may examine these sources for accuracy. One correlation I've noticed is dubious claims are often associated with mysterious sources! I demand to know where this information comes from.
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I think We were better off before welfare began in the 50s.
Here is a story from that liberal cumrag, The New York Times, that details some of the issues that come along with absurd marijuana convictions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/opinion/high-time-the-injustice-of-marijuana-arrests.html
It's not just an issue of spending a few hours in jail. This is an insidious issue that destroys lives, futures and families. It's something people feel comfortable ignoring because... you know... criminals deserve everything they get. And if the government says you're a criminal, you're a criminal. And welfare is our biggest problem. :-\
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Lots of cluelessness in this thread.
However, the flawed assumption is that drug dealers would be law abiding citizens if dealing weren't a viable option. On the contrary, they'd be engaged in a different type of criminal activity.
Another article. From HuffPost. The number of marijuana possession arrests in 2011 exceeded the number of arrests for ALL VIOLENT CRIMES COMBINED.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/marijuana-possession-arrests_n_2490340.html
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Welfare is enlightened self-interest and has created generations of dependents. It's fine for maintaining the status quo but the extent to which it helps people improve their lives is questionable. People growing up on welfare and becoming successful is the exception, not the rule.
nonsense. a lack of education, aspiration, lack of opportunities, an un level playing field and no doubt hundreds of other contributing factors have created generations dependent on welfare. The idea that welfare itself is the driving force of the problems is absurd.
if it actually was welfare that caused the problems ,why was there generation after generation in poverty long before the welfare system existed?
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nonsense. a lack of education, aspiration, lack of opportunities, an un level playing field and no doubt hundreds of other contributing factors have created generations dependent on welfare. The idea that welfare itself is the driving force of the problems is absurd.
if it actually was welfare that caused the problems ,why was there generation after generation in poverty long before the welfare system existed?
Do you think that is all? In a very simplistic explanation Welfare and other social programs created a situation where the women could get it if there was no man in the house. Add in the women's movement who claim that they didn't need a man, and what you have is women who are rewarded for having multiple kids that they cannot take care of, and men who create these kids with no responsibilities. So, these kids grow up, the young men have no father figure, yet they see that the mother has kids, so he goes out does the same thing. And the girls see that mom has kids and the mother in many ways teaches the child to go get certain programs, and the girl repeats the cycle. Now, you have a situation with an excess amount of kids, in poor living conditions, no father figure, and many times the mother is nothing to write home about either.
And again, what does this breed? And who again, takes advantage? And yet again, who feels the need to be needed to defend this? You do. You defend the break up and exploitation of familied and black lives, so that you can feel needed. If people need "opportunity" then give it.
And if you looked at black folk before segregation, it's not they there wasn't poverty, but there were black families, there was a culture in which black folk helped and took care of each other---Because they had no choice. Black businesses, etc. Much like our Latino population today. What needs to happen is a mixture of that.
You don't reward people for having more kids than they can take care of, simply because you want votes (which is really what this is about). You don't talk about opportunity when you don't require responsibility.
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another clue for those curious about where the money went is to look at the mortgage crisis analysis.
the wave of foreclosures was fueled by racism.
hey look, that claim doesn't come from someones nether region:
Racial Segregation and the American Foreclosure Crisis
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/files/2010/10/10ASR10_629-651_massey-2.pdf
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nonsense. a lack of education, aspiration, lack of opportunities, an un level playing field and no doubt hundreds of other contributing factors have created generations dependent on welfare. The idea that welfare itself is the driving force of the problems is absurd.
if it actually was welfare that caused the problems ,why was there generation after generation in poverty long before the welfare system existed?
It only takes looking at how teen pregnancy rates and other metrics related to poverty since the 1950s.
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Do you think that is all? In a very simplistic explanation Welfare and other social programs created a situation where the women could get it if there was no man in the house. Add in the women's movement who claim that they didn't need a man, and what you have is women who are rewarded for having multiple kids that they cannot take care of, and men who create these kids with no responsibilities. So, these kids grow up, the young men have no father figure, yet they see that the mother has kids, so he goes out does the same thing. And the girls see that mom has kids and the mother in many ways teaches the child to go get certain programs, and the girl repeats the cycle. Now, you have a situation with an excess amount of kids, in poor living conditions, no father figure, and many times the mother is nothing to write home about either.
And again, what does this breed? And who again, takes advantage? And yet again, who feels the need to be needed to defend this? You do. You defend the break up and exploitation of familied and black lives, so that you can feel needed. If people need "opportunity" then give it.
And if you looked at black folk before segregation, it's not they there wasn't poverty, but there were black families, there was a culture in which black folk helped and took care of each other---Because they had no choice. Black businesses, etc. Much like our Latino population today. What needs to happen is a mixture of that.
You don't reward people for having more kids than they can take care of, simply because you want votes (which is really what this is about). You don't talk about opportunity when you don't require responsibility.
ok lets put it this way, pretty much every successful developed society worldwide has a comprehensive welfare system.
economically my views are probably further to the right than left but i personally would not want to live in a wealthy country that doesn't have provisions in place to look after those that don't have enough money to do so themselves. of course you will always get some that take advantage and abuse the system but that is not a valid reason to rubbish the system per se.
if you have generations dependant on welfare then you have to look at the bigger picture. were the same people trapped in a cycle of poverty before welfare came about? if the answer is yes then no doubt greater social issues are at play (?). perhaps the system may also need some modification, but to cite welfare itself as being the problem is ridiculous.
you said this:
"And yet again, who feels the need to be needed to defend this? You do."
so again you're attacking a straw man. where did i post anything defending anything other than the principle of the welfare state?
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It only takes looking at how teen pregnancy rates and other metrics related to poverty since the 1950s.
why not look at average income compared to national average income. that would probably be the best poverty related metric to look at ;)
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ok lets put it this way, pretty much every successful developed society worldwide has a comprehensive welfare system.
economically my views are probably further to the right than left but i personally would not want to live in a wealthy country that doesn't have provisions in place to look after those that don't have enough money to do so themselves. of course you will always get some that take advantage and abuse the system but that is not a valid reason to rubbish the system per se.
if you have generations dependant on welfare then you have to look at the bigger picture. were the same people trapped in a cycle of poverty before welfare came about? if the answer is yes then no doubt greater social issues are at play (?). perhaps the system may also need some modification, but to cite welfare itself as being the problem is ridiculous.
you said this:
"And yet again, who feels the need to be needed to defend this? You do."
so again you're attacking a straw man. where did i post anything defending anything other than the principle of the welfare state?
Your arguments are based upon white paternalism and the Euro socialistic mindset. You can't function unless the government says so. But at the same time, feel the need to give a man fish, instead of teaching a man how to fish. That is the way you come off.
Also, you have to look at migration patterns. Many blacks migrated from the South to Midwest, West coast and north for job opportunities, better quality of life, escaping of racism, etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American))
And there is no real yes or no answer. Certain aspect of life were better, and economically I couldn't answer that.
The welfare system doesn't seem to help men at all, but only encourages them to not work. Or to have idle time on their hands. No encouragement for me to work, go to school (remember we focus more on women going to school), less jobs (manufacturing going overseas), and a culture that hasn't been encourage to defined themselves, because it's harder to exploit a self defined culture, all lead to a calamity if issues. Also
Many government programs that seem to be designed to work or help people, seemingly only help a small amount of people, the others seem to help themselves to it. For instance Social Security Disability. It's laughable at the amount of fraud that goes on.
why not look at average income compared to national average income. that would probably be the best poverty related metric to look at ;)
You are only looking at one thing. How many kids do they have? Unwed or wed? Education or not. Inflation?
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why not look at average income compared to national average income. that would probably be the best poverty related metric to look at ;)
The discussion is important.
Something intended as a safety net has become a way of life. I'm not against a safety net and feel it's important to help those in need. That's a lot different than creating your own need by popping out 6 kids with 5 baby-daddies.
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In a very simplistic explanation Welfare and other social programs created a situation where the women could get it if there was no man in the house. Add in the women's movement who claim that they didn't need a man, and what you have is women who are rewarded for having multiple kids that they cannot take care of, and men who create these kids with no responsibilities.
Even if this was true at one point (which is debatable and unlikely), welfare hasn't existed in this capacity since 1996. The most common social program is food subsidies. By dollar amount, there is about a $40 difference between child 1 and child 2. After that there is a steady decline in value of aid. From what I could find, housing subsidies via welfare like programs are largely unrelated to the amount of children and are not guaranteed. For most programs, there is a lifetime time limit of 5 years. Most importantly and not surprisingly, the majority or recipients are working at least part time.
It looks like you bought into the myth of the welfare queen, or at best, you are assuming the system works in a way that it just doesn't. It just defies common sense to think that the majority of black people view welfare as a way of life.
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i still don't see what relevance any of that has to do with what i posted.
they're great quotes but what do they do have to with BLM or what was being discussed?
are you saying that a lot of blacks are unreformed criminals therefore the whole community has to accept a different level of policing than others in society?
or that because roosevelt stated that all men should be equal in the eyes of the law, that today's legal system must be following his ideal?
i don't get what your argument is
I don't argue. I state what I hold true and that's that.
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The discussion is important.
Something intended as a safety net has become a way of life. I'm not against a safety net and feel it's important to help those in need. That's a lot different than creating your own need by popping out 6 kids with 5 baby-daddies.
Black women farming kids to get a bigger welfare check.
Liberals don't care if this bankrupts social programs for the "real" needy as long as the hood rats grow up to vote Democrat
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Black women farming kids to get a bigger welfare check.
Liberals don't care if this bankrupts social programs for the "real" needy as long as the hood rats grow up to vote Democrat
Some of those hoodrats turn out okay. :)
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Female racists are way more appalling to me than males racists. Does that make me sexist?
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Some of those hoodrats turn out okay. :)
Difference of opinion.
If I had wanted to pay to raise a bunch of ungrateful, feral kids I would have had my own
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Black women farming kids to get a bigger welfare check.
Liberals don't care if this bankrupts social programs for the "real" needy as long as the hood rats grow up to vote Democrat
I don't know. I posted about how this isn't really how the welfare system works, but apparently most posters in this thread think it was pretty unbelievable, so how exactly does this work? What programs are black women applying to where they get more money for having more children? As best I can tell, this looks like a myth that was started in the 80s that people who really, really want to believe choose to believe.
If it's welfare fraud, they don't need to have actual children to commit fraud. They can just commit fraud. Having children would actually defeat the purpose. It's not housing programs. No federal housing program is tied to the number of children you have. I doubt there are any local ones that are. All cash payout programs have a lifetime limit of 5 years, regardless of how many children you have. So how is everyone so sure that "welfare queens" are running rampant and dominating the system?
(If you say "eat a dick, lame gimmick", I will just assume that means you don't know and I was right.)
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#BlackWivesFatter
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Some of those hoodrats turn out okay. :)
Lemme know when he gets here!
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Your arguments are based upon white paternalism and the Euro socialistic mindset. You can't function unless the government says so. But at the same time, feel the need to give a man fish, instead of teaching a man how to fish. That is the way you come off.
Also, you have to look at migration patterns. Many blacks migrated from the South to Midwest, West coast and north for job opportunities, better quality of life, escaping of racism, etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American))
And there is no real yes or no answer. Certain aspect of life were better, and economically I couldn't answer that.
The welfare system doesn't seem to help men at all, but only encourages them to not work. Or to have idle time on their hands. No encouragement for me to work, go to school (remember we focus more on women going to school), less jobs (manufacturing going overseas), and a culture that hasn't been encourage to defined themselves, because it's harder to exploit a self defined culture, all lead to a calamity if issues. Also
Many government programs that seem to be designed to work or help people, seemingly only help a small amount of people, the others seem to help themselves to it. For instance Social Security Disability. It's laughable at the amount of fraud that goes on.
You are only looking at one thing. How many kids do they have? Unwed or wed? Education or not. Inflation?
your analysis is so far off the mark it's funny. i've spent the majority of my adult life further removed from the mainstream and everything government related than you could probably imagine. i am just mature enough to look at things objectively.
i understand what you're saying about some people defrauding and abusing the system, but that does not mean the system as a whole is bad.
you don't know whether things were economically better or worse for blacks pre welfare? ok let me help you a bit.
"Poverty among blacks has fallen sharply: In 1966, two years after Johnson’s speech, four-in-ten (41.8%) of African-Americans were poor; blacks constituted nearly a third (31.1%) of all poor Americans. By 2012, poverty among African-Americans had fallen to 27.2% — still more than double the rate among whites (12.7%, 1.4 percentage points higher than in 1966)."
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/13/whos-poor-in-america-50-years-into-the-war-on-poverty-a-data-portrait/
so it would appear this cycle of poverty was present before welfare came about. so blaming the welfare system itself is completely idiotic.
i would say you are the one with the white paternalistic mindset. even when blacks are being systematically mistreated by your law enforcement agencies, you side with someone saying the mistreated should focus mainly on their own behaviour.
"oh well it must be our fault"
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Lemme know when he gets here!
Was speaking of myself and a few others, LOL!
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your analysis is so far off the mark it's funny. i've spent the majority of my adult life further removed from the mainstream and everything government related than you could probably imagine. i am just mature enough to look at things objectively.
i understand what you're saying about some people defrauding and abusing the system, but that does not mean the system as a whole is bad.
you don't know whether things were economically better or worse for blacks pre welfare? ok let me help you a bit.
"Poverty among blacks has fallen sharply: In 1966, two years after Johnson’s speech, four-in-ten (41.8%) of African-Americans were poor; blacks constituted nearly a third (31.1%) of all poor Americans. By 2012, poverty among African-Americans had fallen to 27.2% — still more than double the rate among whites (12.7%, 1.4 percentage points higher than in 1966)."
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/13/whos-poor-in-america-50-years-into-the-war-on-poverty-a-data-portrait/
so it would appear this cycle of poverty was present before welfare came about. so blaming the welfare system itself is completely idiotic.
i would say you are the one with the white paternalistic mindset. even when blacks are being systematically mistreated by your law enforcement agencies, you side with someone saying the mistreated should focus mainly on their own behaviour.
"oh well it must be our fault"
Last part. I have stated that everyone shares the blame. I have never sided with saying it is only their fault. You are not a black person. You don't have to deal with the issues. You don't see the issues from a black person's perspective. You only come from a white Euro perspective and a socialist mentality and also from having a monarchy. You are used to being taken care of, coddled. You are used to government solving your issues and problems. Euros went the easy route. So you have the mindset of "well, if things are happening, then it is the government responsibility to figure it out", and since it is black people, you have the mindset of "Well, since these black people are being shit by police, and these black people are poor, it is the governments responsibility to figure out how to stop all the problems with black people",
You encourage mainly whites to figure out how to solve a situation that is happening in black communities (and also happening to white males). This type of paternalism only aids in the problem.
Most of you don't know jack or shit and only go off of stats. When there is something beyond just numbers. Has their been Poverty in black communities before the social programs, yes. But, again you have various different things to account for, and also a change in culture. And one of things that you don't count is THE USE OF BLACK PEOPLE to further certain agendas. Such as voting Dem. The Dem party is associated with these programs.
Then you also have to look into what happened during the 60s-70s. Baby Boomers. Black Baby Boomer women, specifically in cities bought into the social programs (like the building of housing projects for low income people) and the feminist movement, which advocated the "you don't need a man". So, what happens? There was an explosion in births from unwed mothers (also it was the baby boomers that had an explosion in divorces down the road). Many of these unwed mothers, especially in housing projects got what? Social programs. Many of these social programs helped encourage the father out of the family. By encouraging the "you don't need a man" by encouraging government social programs, they in fact were encouraging the idea that the government was a surrogate father. And so, this allowed more government intrusion into the lives of individuals. And guess what that guy in South Carolina (the one who was murdered by the police) was stopped for? Child support warrant(s). Gee, I wonder how did he get that? I wonder where the idea of child support came from, and where the idea of issuing child support warrants, which means the person can be locked up, and in some states it is a no bail situation. Take a brief guess on how this all spirals out of control. Yet you are all for the government to figure out solution.Now this is just a simplistic break down.
Now, understand the three branches of the US government---Executive, Judicial, and Legislative. The police fall under the Executive Branch. That is they fall under the elected official. The mayor, governor, etc.
So, the mayor, governor, etc are in a backdoor way condoning what happens with a wink and nod, because nobody cares about black male criminals dying. Regardless of what they say to the media.
Also, many of young black males in inner cities today do not identify with positive role models, and many black women today do not encourage positive behaviors from their sons. Also, many black families are headed by the woman. Again, his did this happen? Well, it was encouraged by the very same people you keep saying that should solve the problem!!!!!!!!!
You know what, I could go on. But, I don't think you'd understand. You take up the argument that it is the governments responsibility to solve this problem, and I say that all parties involved should. Because allowing others to solve issues that involve you means you are giving up power to other people. You are in effect saying "take care of me". And that is why I call you a white paternalist. Black people are not children. And allowing all parties to solve an issue means that a certain party have been empowered.
You'd rather give up power and rights to feel comfortable, I don't believe in that.
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You're doing great work, Parker, but you're wasting your time. Socialists, especially Europeans, believe their narrative of government always being the White Knight coming to the rescue because that's all they know. There's no evidence you could present that would change their thinking.
They've been stripped of their spirit and they want to take away ours.
Not gonna happen. We like being the big circle with the increasing number and have no interest in being the little circles with the decreasing numbers.
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Last part. I have stated that everyone shares the blame. I have never sided with saying it is only their fault. You are not a black person. You don't have to deal with the issues. You don't see the issues from a black person's perspective. You only come from a white Euro perspective and a socialist mentality and also from having a monarchy. You are used to being taken care of, coddled. You are used to government solving your issues and problems. Euros went the easy route. So you have the mindset of "well, if things are happening, then it is the government responsibility to figure it out", and since it is black people, you have the mindset of "Well, since these black people are being shit by police, and these black people are poor, it is the governments responsibility to figure out how to stop all the problems with black people",
You encourage mainly whites to figure out how to solve a situation that is happening in black communities (and also happening to white males). This type of paternalism only aids in the problem.
Most of you don't know jack or shit and only go off of stats. When there is something beyond just numbers. Has their been Poverty in black communities before the social programs, yes. But, again you have various different things to account for, and also a change in culture. And one of things that you don't count is THE USE OF BLACK PEOPLE to further certain agendas. Such as voting Dem. The Dem party is associated with these programs.
Then you also have to look into what happened during the 60s-70s. Baby Boomers. Black Baby Boomer women, specifically in cities bought into the social programs (like the building of housing projects for low income people) and the feminist movement, which advocated the "you don't need a man". So, what happens? There was an explosion in births from unwed mothers (also it was the baby boomers that had an explosion in divorces down the road). Many of these unwed mothers, especially in housing projects got what? Social programs. Many of these social programs helped encourage the father out of the family. By encouraging the "you don't need a man" by encouraging government social programs, they in fact were encouraging the idea that the government was a surrogate father. And so, this allowed more government intrusion into the lives of individuals. And guess what that guy in South Carolina (the one who was murdered by the police) was stopped for? Child support warrant(s). Gee, I wonder how did he get that? I wonder where the idea of child support came from, and where the idea of issuing child support warrants, which means the person can be locked up, and in some states it is a no bail situation. Take a brief guess on how this all spirals out of control. Yet you are all for the government to figure out solution.Now this is just a simplistic break down.
Now, understand the three branches of the US government---Executive, Judicial, and Legislative. The police fall under the Executive Branch. That is they fall under the elected official. The mayor, governor, etc.
So, the mayor, governor, etc are in a backdoor way condoning what happens with a wink and nod, because nobody cares about black male criminals dying. Regardless of what they say to the media.
Also, many of young black males in inner cities today do not identify with positive role models, and many black women today do not encourage positive behaviors from their sons. Also, many black families are headed by the woman. Again, his did this happen? Well, it was encouraged by the very same people you keep saying that should solve the problem!!!!!!!!!
You know what, I could go on. But, I don't think you'd understand. You take up the argument that it is the governments responsibility to solve this problem, and I say that all parties involved should. Because allowing others to solve issues that involve you means you are giving up power to other people. You are in effect saying "take care of me". And that is why I call you a white paternalist. Black people are not children. And allowing all parties to solve an issue means that a certain party have been empowered.
You'd rather give up power and rights to feel comfortable, I don't believe in that.
Why do blacks always need to run somewhere? Why arent they making their own society, inventions etc.? You probably know the answer, its in USA, its in Africa the same everywhere they are.
If you will say that the problem is in white people then u must be really ignorant.
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Was speaking of myself and a few others, LOL!
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Last part. I have stated that everyone shares the blame. I have never sided with saying it is only their fault. You are not a black person. You don't have to deal with the issues. You don't see the issues from a black person's perspective. You only come from a white Euro perspective and a socialist mentality and also from having a monarchy. You are used to being taken care of, coddled. You are used to government solving your issues and problems. Euros went the easy route. So you have the mindset of "well, if things are happening, then it is the government responsibility to figure it out", and since it is black people, you have the mindset of "Well, since these black people are being shit by police, and these black people are poor, it is the governments responsibility to figure out how to stop all the problems with black people",
You encourage mainly whites to figure out how to solve a situation that is happening in black communities (and also happening to white males). This type of paternalism only aids in the problem.
Most of you don't know jack or shit and only go off of stats. When there is something beyond just numbers. Has their been Poverty in black communities before the social programs, yes. But, again you have various different things to account for, and also a change in culture. And one of things that you don't count is THE USE OF BLACK PEOPLE to further certain agendas. Such as voting Dem. The Dem party is associated with these programs.
Then you also have to look into what happened during the 60s-70s. Baby Boomers. Black Baby Boomer women, specifically in cities bought into the social programs (like the building of housing projects for low income people) and the feminist movement, which advocated the "you don't need a man". So, what happens? There was an explosion in births from unwed mothers (also it was the baby boomers that had an explosion in divorces down the road). Many of these unwed mothers, especially in housing projects got what? Social programs. Many of these social programs helped encourage the father out of the family. By encouraging the "you don't need a man" by encouraging government social programs, they in fact were encouraging the idea that the government was a surrogate father. And so, this allowed more government intrusion into the lives of individuals. And guess what that guy in South Carolina (the one who was murdered by the police) was stopped for? Child support warrant(s). Gee, I wonder how did he get that? I wonder where the idea of child support came from, and where the idea of issuing child support warrants, which means the person can be locked up, and in some states it is a no bail situation. Take a brief guess on how this all spirals out of control. Yet you are all for the government to figure out solution.Now this is just a simplistic break down.
Now, understand the three branches of the US government---Executive, Judicial, and Legislative. The police fall under the Executive Branch. That is they fall under the elected official. The mayor, governor, etc.
So, the mayor, governor, etc are in a backdoor way condoning what happens with a wink and nod, because nobody cares about black male criminals dying. Regardless of what they say to the media.
Also, many of young black males in inner cities today do not identify with positive role models, and many black women today do not encourage positive behaviors from their sons. Also, many black families are headed by the woman. Again, his did this happen? Well, it was encouraged by the very same people you keep saying that should solve the problem!!!!!!!!!
You know what, I could go on. But, I don't think you'd understand. You take up the argument that it is the governments responsibility to solve this problem, and I say that all parties involved should. Because allowing others to solve issues that involve you means you are giving up power to other people. You are in effect saying "take care of me". And that is why I call you a white paternalist. Black people are not children. And allowing all parties to solve an issue means that a certain party have been empowered.
You'd rather give up power and rights to feel comfortable, I don't believe in that.
why do you keep persisting in thinking you know anything about me or my "perspective" ?
i am actually mixed race if you want to know. my dad was black from the caribbean and my mother is white english. i couldn't give a flying sht about the monarchy and i have pretty much taken care of myself since i was 16.
you have no idea about any issues i have or haven't had to face because you don't know me and have no idea who i am.
now let me give you a little insight into how i see you.
you're a self hating, uncle tom. that's why you fit in so well with all the racist white posters on here. they give you little pats on the head for being a good subservient boy and agreeing with their lowly opinion of blacks..... "no parker's ok he's not like the rest of them" and you lap it up like the little homo you are.
i can't actually be bothered to respond to the rest of your post because it's also become clear that you have very little of any value to offer anyway.
you just keep inventing straw men to argue with rather than actually responding to anything i've posted.
basically you're an idiot.
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The idea of discussing this civilly is dead, LOL!
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you just keep inventing straw men to argue with rather than actually responding to anything i've posted.
basically you're an idiot.
No man, Parker is ok, he's not like the rest of the dindus.
Oh, and i'll discuss something civilly with Doctor Jake any day of the week. He is also a-ok, not like the other dindus.
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The idea of discussing this civilly is dead, LOL!
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Idiot because he isnt race baiting like 99% of blacks? ;D You are a ignorant prick.
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Why can't y'all just get along?
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why do you keep persisting in thinking you know anything about me or my "perspective" ?
i am actually mixed race if you want to know. my dad was black from the caribbean and my mother is white english. i couldn't give a flying sht about the monarchy and i have pretty much taken care of myself since i was 16.
you have no idea about any issues i have or haven't had to face because you don't know me and have no idea who i am.
now let me give you a little insight into how i see you.
you're a self hating, uncle tom. that's why you fit in so well with all the racist white posters on here. they give you little pats on the head for being a good subservient boy and agreeing with their lowly opinion of blacks..... "no parker's ok he's not like the rest of them" and you lap it up like the little homo you are.
i can't actually be bothered to respond to the rest of your post because it's also become clear that you have very little of any value to offer anyway.
you just keep inventing straw men to argue with rather than actually responding to anything i've posted.
basically you're an idiot.
hey settle down conky
let's talk this out
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Most of you don't know jack or shit and only go off of stats. When there is something beyond just numbers.
Stats tell the most reliable stories. Anecdotes tell the stories people want to believe. The welfare queen myth is just a racist piece of class warfare propaganda that has no basis in reality. It's important to go off statistics because that's the only way to get a clear perspective on how much bullshit it is.
When guys are arrested or taken to court for not paying child support, that is a result of the government trying to get families OFF the government dole.
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Stats tell the most reliable stories. Anecdotes tell the stories people want to believe. The welfare queen myth is just a racist piece of class warfare propaganda that has no basis in reality. It's important to go off statistics because that's the only way to get a clear perspective on how much bullshit it is.
When guys are arrested or taken to court for not paying child support, that is a result of the government trying to get families OFF the government dole.
Stats tell part of the story. When you only go off stats, which can be manipulated, you only see what other's may want to see. And can color your perception. How about you talk to the DA on the cases that they dismiss, the PDs office, the private attorney
For instance, people generally think of Baltimore (Baltimore being synonymous with black people) and Heroin. The stats are pretty high for that. Yet now there is this growing need to solve the heroin issue, because white middle class kids are ODing on heroin. So, now there is a problem!!! Where are they getting it from? Well, you have to be hard on those dealers? Where do they live?
And no, when a guy gets arrested for child support, it's a way that the government tries to step in an badly curb social issues, AND THE COURTS ARE DEPENDENT on the arrests. Also, who made the report? The woman did!!! The very same woman who many times knew that the dude she had a kid (s) with is no good, and can't keep a job. Have you ever spent time in the family courts?
And how is locking someone up for non-payment of child support, which means that the person may lose their job (and we are assuming the person is working), which means he will further be in arrears. Which means he will be locked up AGAIN. That is not trying to get people off the government dole, that is helping to increase the recidivism rate!!!
Don't any of you get this!!!! People/ government are dependent on dysfunction!!! The more it is, the more people profit from it. We live in a capitalist society. So, problems that exist are easy to make money off of---go to the local courthouse. See all the people who are dependent on just one traffic ticket. One assault. And
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Stats tell part of the story. When you only go off stats, which can be manipulated, you only see what other's may want to see. And can color your perception. How about you talk to the DA on the cases that they dismiss, the PDs office, the private attorney
For instance, people generally think of Baltimore (Baltimore being synonymous with black people) and Heroin. The stats are pretty high for that. Yet now there is this growing need to solve the heroin issue, because white middle class kids are ODing on heroin. So, now there is a problem!!! Where are they getting it from? Well, you have to be hard on those dealers? Where do they live?
And no, when a guy gets arrested for child support, it's a way that the government tries to step in an badly curb social issues, AND THE COURTS ARE DEPENDENT on the arrests. Also, who made the report? The woman did!!! The very same woman who many times knew that the dude she had a kid (s) with is no good, and can't keep a job. Have you ever spent time in the family courts?
And how is locking someone up for non-payment of child support, which means that the person may lose their job (and we are assuming the person is working), which means he will further be in arrears. Which means he will be locked up AGAIN. That is not trying to get people off the government dole, that is helping to increase the recidivism rate!!!
Don't any of you get this!!!! People/ government are dependent on dysfunction!!! The more it is, the more people profit from it. We live in a capitalist society. So, problems that exist are easy to make money off of---go to the local courthouse. See all the people who are dependent on just one traffic ticket. One assault. And
Wow... strange how you can understand how destructive the cycle of incarceration when you relate it to child support. Funny how you can understand how this cycle is a money generator when you relate it to entitlement programs you are against.
But somehow, when it comes to drug incarceration , it doesn't make sense to you. These are the same things I've been posting, only as they relate to a much larger issue. Statistically, it affects way more minorities and families than these entitlement programs do (at least, in the way you're describing.) And it's blatant. You don't need any convoluted backstory to understand what's going on. You don't need to interpret any clandestine social engineering methods. It's all right there: lock up as many minorities as possible for a bullshit crime. It generates money from fines, it generates money from federal allocations, it creates the illusion that crime is being fought. I don't think destroying the black community was the ultimate goal, but that was just collateral damage.
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hey settle down conky
let's talk this out
don't worry about it boy, it's only the internet.
see how quickly the racists came in to defend him though. ;) lol
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No man, Parker is ok, he's not like the rest of the dindus.
Oh, and i'll discuss something civilly with Doctor Jake any day of the week. He is also a-ok, not like the other dindus.
Condescension: %55
Paternalism: %44
Proprietary idiocy blend:%1
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Paternalism: %44
Proprietary idiocy blend:%1
Dont be so cynical. He's saying Parker is a good bloke, but he probably wouldn't trust him around the silverware.
I imagine some of his best friends are black.
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don't worry about it boy, it's only the internet.
see how quickly the racists came in to defend him though. ;) lol
parker put a good amount of thought and effort in those posts.
name calling and personal attacks are unjustified and inappropriate in the context of this discussion.
please refrain from this in the future and confine your comments to substantive points specifically related to the topic at hand!
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Paternalism: %44
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chimps needs to elaborate on his charges of racism which have been questioned repeatedly!
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parker put a good amount of thought and effort in those posts.
name calling and personal attacks are unjustified and inappropriate in the context of this discussion.
please refrain from this in the future and confine your comments to substantive points specifically related to the topic at hand!
i agree conker resorts to name calling rather than formulating cohesive well thought out responses
just gives his point less credibility
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Stats tell part of the story. When you only go off stats, which can be manipulated, you only see what other's may want to see. And can color your perception. How about you talk to the DA on the cases that they dismiss, the PDs office, the private attorney
For instance, people generally think of Baltimore (Baltimore being synonymous with black people) and Heroin. The stats are pretty high for that. Yet now there is this growing need to solve the heroin issue, because white middle class kids are ODing on heroin. So, now there is a problem!!! Where are they getting it from? Well, you have to be hard on those dealers? Where do they live?
Because it's relevant to the discussion, posting this video that is trending today. Exactly what I've been saying. It's just a youtube video, not a smoking gun, but all the evidence is right there for you if you want it. It's easy to buy into the demonization of entitlement programs. But you are buying into lies, man. The welfare queen myth doesn't exist. It is political propaganda. The truth is right in front of you and it is much simpler than you want to believe.
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don't worry about it boy, it's only the internet.
see how quickly the racists came in to defend him though. ;) lol
Yup, everyones racist who doesnt agree with blacks opinion. ;D
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhRhGXq0hBUaP9bN3I
Check out comments in this video or similar video, where a black person have different opinion. All I have to say that majority of blacks are ignorant fucks, but its no wonder because your IQ is much lower.
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i agree conker resorts to name calling rather than formulating cohesive well thought out responses
just gives his point less credibility
His choice of words was amusing.
There are valid points on both sides of the discussion. I'm for less government but don't automatically dismiss other opinions.
I don't believe anything will change until people are fed up.
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parker put a good amount of thought and effort in those posts.
name calling and personal attacks are unjustified and inappropriate in the context of this discussion.
please refrain from this in the future and confine your comments to substantive points specifically related to the topic at hand!
no he didn't, he kept arguing against positions he invented for me rather than debating points i had actually made.
then from the false positions he assigned me, he then proceeds to tell me all about my "perspective" and "where i'm coming from" blah blah blah.
i don't know how much effort he put into it but it was garbage nonetheless.
and anyway, from what i remember, you're actually even more stupid than he is. so please refrain from telling me what you think i should do in the future. thanks.
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Yup, everyones racist who doesnt agree with blacks opinion. ;D
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhRhGXq0hBUaP9bN3I
Check out comments in this video or similar video, where a black person have different opinion. All I have to say that majority of blacks are ignorant fucks, but its no wonder because your IQ is much lower.
HAHAHA and this guy vouches for parker! tells you all you need to know ;)
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no he didn't, he kept arguing against positions he invented for me rather than debating points i had actually made.
then from the false positions he assigned me, he then proceeds to tell me all about my "perspective" and "where i'm coming from" blah blah blah.
i don't know how much effort he put into it but it was garbage nonetheless.
and anyway, from what i remember, you're actually even more stupid than he is. so please refrain from telling me what you think i should do in the future. thanks.
your remarks have taken a highly insensitive turn
how unfortunate
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HAHAHA and this guy vouches for parker! tells you all you need to know ;)
man goo is a contender for dumbest poster on the board
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your remarks have taken a highly insensitive turn
how unfortunate
yes i cant help but feel that conker is letting his passions run wild
with the unfortunate consequence that his verbosity has become somewhat limited
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yes i cant help but feel that conker is letting his passions run wild
with the unfortunate consequence that his verbosity has become somewhat limited
teenage drama queen's feelings still not healed from our exchange last week?
aww diddums
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Dumb Dindus = Dindumbs
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man goo is a contender for dumbest poster on the board
Hey Vanga, good that you know my IQ and education.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alabama-officer-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-shooting/ar-BBqgaQx?ocid=spartanntp
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alabama-officer-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-shooting/ar-BBqgaQx?ocid=spartanntp
what are the odds there's a video?
place your bets
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teenage drama queen's feelings still not healed from our exchange last week?
aww diddums
read this post back to yourself
if you are being ironic well done
if not :-X
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read this post back to yourself
if you are being ironic well done
if not :-X
Ginger Fuck tard doing his epic 500LB Bench... :D
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Ginger Fuck tard doing his epic 500LB Bench... :D
bigmc benching 500lb lol right. don't think the dude even trains.
he runs around the board starting pathetic arguments and fueds. look how he pops up in this thread....no opinion on the subject to contribute, just pops up with his usual juvenile baiting.
the guy has nothing to offer about anything training related and has no coherent opinion or view on any other subject. just intent on creating meaningless drama and petty squabbles. maybe it adds some meaning to his life.
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bigmc benching 500lb lol right. don't think the dude even trains.
he runs around the board starting pathetic arguments and fueds. look how he pops up in this thread....no opinion on the subject to contribute, just pops up with his usual juvenile baiting.
the guy has nothing to offer about anything training related and has no coherent opinion or view on any other subject. just intent on creating meaningless drama and petty squabbles. maybe it adds some meaning to his life.
Great Post. ;D