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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2016, 09:46:44 AM »

yeh i'm sure back in the day a lot of slaves would have been spared too if they could have just kept each other in line a bit better.


What does that have to do with 2016?  The world 150-200yrs ago looks nothing like it does now.  Dr. Kaje is right...the focus and tone matters.  While focusing on cases of police brutality (and we insist these bad cops are removed) groups must address criminality, dysfunction and disrespect in their own communities.  That doesn't just get thrown out because there are some isolated cases of over policing!

Conker, are you from the US?  Appreciate your comments but you won't completely appreciate what is going on unless you live here or have been in these communities.  I have the benefit of talking with a lot of police officers in a big city with a lot of high crime areas.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2016, 09:52:58 AM »
There is no such thing as equality. It is a farce that people have bought into. There will always be the have and the have nots. It should be opportunity, give people the chance. You, in thought process have in a back door way, justified black people to be perpetual victims.  Needing protection from the very same people who are the alleged perpetrators. How much sense does that make? So, that means giving up more power to empower the very same people who you say are committing the acts?  Drkaje never said to first focus, he said that it is silly that their main focus is. BLM main focus should the better of black lives, neighborhoods, children, black men and women. Period. And that includes the law enforcement situation. And it doesn't matter if you change the color of the officers. What needs to be done is that all parties come to table to help solve the problem, as well as help with other problems. By doing that, it is empowering the community as well.

Hell, if the Brits had their way, we'd still be under their yoke, talk about EQUALITY.

And of course it's a great analogy to you, because it seems that you'd rather see black folk be constantly helped and continually be a victim, because it empowers you. You are needed, it makes you feel needed. It's white paternalism.


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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2016, 10:30:39 AM »
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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2016, 10:41:19 AM »
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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2016, 10:57:43 AM »
What does that have to do with 2016?  The world 150-200yrs ago looks nothing like it does now.  Dr. Kaje is right...the focus and tone matters.  While focusing on cases of police brutality (and we insist these bad cops are removed) groups must address criminality, dysfunction and disrespect in their own communities.  That doesn't just get thrown out because there are some isolated cases of over policing!

Conker, are you from the US?  Appreciate your comments but you won't completely appreciate what is going on unless you live here or have been in these communities.  I have the benefit of talking with a lot of police officers in a big city with a lot of high crime areas.

Talking with police officers who work in high crime area doesn't give you anymore insight than talking to a lot of BLMers. You're getting only part of the story from an unbalanced perspective. No, it is not necessary or even logical to say that if you address police abuses, then you have to address crime in the community, too. It's a specious rationale. They're two separate issues.

BLM's focus on unaccounted for murders is an acknowledgement of a tippling point. Realistically, the more routine day-to-day policing of minority communities is where the real damage occurs. Law enforcement has been one of the most destructive forces for lower income, minority communities in the last 30 years.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2016, 11:12:35 AM »
Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.


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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2016, 11:15:44 AM »
Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.




No, it's not.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2016, 11:18:54 AM »
Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.



hey robot

you already posted this

try to produce an original thought other than...blah blah blah liberal, left failure this and that

know you won't respond to this since you are incapable of participating in a conversation, if you do please start off by answering the question posed to you at least 5 times.  

WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2016, 11:21:16 AM »

No, it's not.

In your mind. You also believe you don't give off a creepy vibe. That doesn't mean it's not a possibility.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2016, 11:23:56 AM »
hey robot

you already posted this

try to produce an original thought other than...blah blah blah liberal, left failure this and that

know you won't respond to this since you are incapable of participating in a conversation, if you do please start off by answering the question posed to you at least 5 times.  

WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?



You have me confused with someone who has to answer to tools on the Internet. Stay in your nice Canadian neighborhood and stop pretending to be a tough guy. You're not.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2016, 11:24:35 AM »
What does that have to do with 2016?  The world 150-200yrs ago looks nothing like it does now.  Dr. Kaje is right...the focus and tone matters.  While focusing on cases of police brutality (and we insist these bad cops are removed) groups must address criminality, dysfunction and disrespect in their own communities.  That doesn't just get thrown out because there are some isolated cases of over policing!

Conker, are you from the US?  Appreciate your comments but you won't completely appreciate what is going on unless you live here or have been in these communities.  I have the benefit of talking with a lot of police officers in a big city with a lot of high crime areas.

it was just an analogy, wasn't suggesting the world is the same now as it was 150yrs ago.

police brutality is a completely separate issue to that of any problems the black community may need to address themselves. trying to lump them together is just trying to justify the wrongful actions and attitude of the law.

it implies that because a number of people in a community have previous for 'acting up' this justifies the authorities in treating the entire community in a different way than they do the rest of society.

no am from the uk. not saying i know exactly what is going on in the US. but i take quite an interest in what's going on around the world, have listened to enough of the commentary , seen enough of the statistics and seen enough of the high profile cases to be pretty confident that there is fire with the smoke in this case.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2016, 11:26:15 AM »
You have me confused with someone who has to answer to tools on the Internet. Stay in your nice Canadian neighborhood and stop pretending to be a tough guy. You're not.

oohhh a response!!!!!!!
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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2016, 11:28:18 AM »
In your mind. You also believe you don't give off a creepy vibe. That doesn't mean it's not a possibility.


No, not in my mind. Statistically, it doesn't make sense.

  It's a possibility anyone gives off a creepy vibe. :-\

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2016, 11:29:07 AM »
Ya know, it's possible that Dr. Sowell is right, and agressive policing is a byproduct of failed policies.


Jim Crow actually allowed blacks to flourish and prosper.  Don't believe me, look up Black Wall Street.  The reason why it crumbled is when segregation ended and the blacks started shopping and going to white businesses.  Until then, blacks were building up financial wealth and a power base.

Jim Crow laws were not entirely what you think they were or what is "taught".

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2016, 11:37:38 AM »
this is the part where we get to invite TA to the nearest black neighborhood so that the inhabitants may benefit directly from his teachings.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2016, 11:42:25 AM »
this is the part where we get to invite TA to the nearest black neighborhood so that the inhabitants may benefit directly from his teachings.

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Oh, I have been to them and they could benefit greatly.  Its funny that no matter what city I am in, when I go through the black areas, its EXACTLY the same.  Same living conditions, same way of life, same everything pretty much.  Its more than just a trend.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2016, 11:52:24 AM »
Oh, I have been to them and they could benefit greatly.  Its funny that no matter what city I am in, when I go through the black areas, its EXACTLY the same.  Same living conditions, same way of life, same everything pretty much.  Its more than just a trend.

will never forget such nuggets of wisdom like "slavery was an equal opportunity system".  Black people need to know this.
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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2016, 11:57:05 AM »
will never forget such nuggets of wisdom like "slavery was an equal opportunity system".  Black people need to know this.
Who said that?  I didn't.  That was Uberman who said that.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2016, 12:26:47 PM »
this is the part where we get to invite TA to the nearest black neighborhood so that the inhabitants may benefit directly from his teachings.

 :D

Limiting his wisdumb to GetBig is selfish.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2016, 12:31:18 PM »
Who said that?  I didn't.  That was Uberman who said that.

hmm I must have conflated this comment with yours. Relieved to know this.
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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #70 on: February 28, 2016, 12:38:28 PM »
hmm I must have conflated this comment with yours. Relieved to know this.
So why do blacks like Hillary?  You do realize Bill Clinton's goal was to move the Democratic Party to the right and he was successful.  Hillary Clinton also has that plan and has admitted it.

Is this what blacks want?  ???  Or do they even know about this or even know what they want? 

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2016, 12:45:19 PM »
Talking with police officers who work in high crime area doesn't give you anymore insight than talking to a lot of BLMers. You're getting only part of the story from an unbalanced perspective. No, it is not necessary or even logical to say that if you address police abuses, then you have to address crime in the community, too. It's a specious rationale. They're two separate issues.

BLM's focus on unaccounted for murders is an acknowledgement of a tippling point. Realistically, the more routine day-to-day policing of minority communities is where the real damage occurs. Law enforcement has been one of the most destructive forces for lower income, minority communities in the last 30 years.

I would argue the community has no choice but to have heavy police presence in these areas because of the sheer #s of crime if left unattended (so many even with police presence).  The officers will say that assertive policing has reduced overall crime.  Its a fine line, I agree.  Left alone, many of these areas will erupt into crime and chaos, it is the truth.  Cops should never beat up on people, I support an individual's rights (until they commit crimes then I am less forgiving).  In these neighborhoods, by the way I lived in a low income inner city neighborhood for a couple yrs end of college, the criminals will prey upon the innocent and weak in these communities....you probably know that to be true.  1st day my friends and I moved in guy came over trying to sell us crack, happened a couple times, then people broken our windows later, then guy nearly stole my friend's car till he chased after him, heard yelling commonly, and occasional shots.  After a while people left us alone thankfully but if you don't stick up for yourself, you'll be a victim.  If police aren't tough, they will be victims in this community.  There is a different mentality of dominance.  All I'm saying is that it is a complicated issue and the massive rally against police in the media and spurred by BLM and suburban liberal whites is not considering how difficult these areas are to establish control in.  You're right, speaking to police is not an unbiased view, I agree, but these guys are shot at or attacked most days and many people in these communities absolutely hate them, regardless of the race of the officer.  Sometimes times Hispanic officers are even attacked because they look white.  We need to get rid of cops that commit brutalities but to ignore the dysfunction and criminals in these communities is ridiculous.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2016, 12:49:52 PM »
It's not a crime to be black or white and no one should be punished for either

Existing within a caucasian meat sack is in fact a hate crime….. caucasians are to be locked up or killed so that 'people of color' can finally find peace and happiness.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #73 on: February 28, 2016, 12:53:51 PM »
it was just an analogy, wasn't suggesting the world is the same now as it was 150yrs ago.

police brutality is a completely separate issue to that of any problems the black community may need to address themselves. trying to lump them together is just trying to justify the wrongful actions and attitude of the law.

it implies that because a number of people in a community have previous for 'acting up' this justifies the authorities in treating the entire community in a different way than they do the rest of society.

no am from the uk. not saying i know exactly what is going on in the US. but i take quite an interest in what's going on around the world, have listened to enough of the commentary , seen enough of the statistics and seen enough of the high profile cases to be pretty confident that there is fire with the smoke in this case.

Cheers.  Good debating.  The problem of crime/dysfunction in the community and aggressive policing, although you could separate, is definitely related.  These rough inner city communities are tough places to police, its a cycle now of crime, isolated cases of police brutality and then learned hate and contempt.  In some regards, police have to establish respect or dominance or be taken advantage of and possibly killed.  Its not an easy problem to fix.  You're often dealing with violent and low educated people who sometimes only respond to force.  Then you have some officers who just use far too much force, but Conker, the media highlights the overboard cases.  Most police are doing their job within their bounds in a very harsh environment.

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Re: The BLM movement; Black Lies Matter
« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2016, 01:02:20 PM »
So why do blacks like Hillary?  You do realize Bill Clinton's goal was to move the Democratic Party to the right and he was successful.  Hillary Clinton also has that plan and has admitted it.

Is this what blacks want?  ???  Or do they even know about this or even know what they want? 

these are excellent questions. I don't think there's anything special about this moment though since the system is rigged against pretty much all voters and has been for decades. I'm stunned with the support bernie has gathered. people almost never support the own interests politically. it's very unusual to see.

The truth is its not a well organised community and it will simply take some work to get that done. the way to do it is by working within the rights protest framework and capitalizing on that energy.
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