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Title: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: NickEdge779 on March 12, 2016, 09:17:42 AM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.
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Post by: devilsmile on March 12, 2016, 09:23:39 AM
many times the things you'd love to do cost a tonn of money
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Post by: Hulkotron on March 12, 2016, 09:26:09 AM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.

I've always felt that "Money can't buy happiness" is total BS, probably made up by a woman or an overly-idealistic poor person.
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Post by: Sokolsky on March 12, 2016, 09:34:22 AM
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Post by: MAXX on March 12, 2016, 09:36:21 AM
money makes you happy

if you know how to use them  :)
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Post by: SF1900 on March 12, 2016, 09:49:15 AM
I've always felt that "Money can't buy happiness" is total BS, probably made up by a woman or an overly-idealistic poor person.

Tell that to Robin Williams and Kurt Cobain or the famous newsreporter who slammed his car into the wall a few weeks ago.

Listen, let me tell you the REAL deal, broskie. Here goes:

If you're only problem in life is financial burdens, then, yes, of course money is going to buy happiness. Furthermore, I agree that having more money may make someone more happy.

However, if you're riddled with a host of other problems, that money cannot fix, then, all of the money in the world will not make you a happy person. It may assuage some of the negative feelings, but you probably wont be as happy as you want to be.

Holding all extraneous variables constant, yes, money can buy happiness. But, in life, its often the extraneous variables that lead to sadness, and some of these things cannot be fixed with money. In the end, its really contextual. So, it really all comes down to many factors. I mean, Robin Williams was diagnosed with an incurable disease, then wound up killing himself. Money couldn't cure his disease.
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Post by: kofo on March 12, 2016, 09:50:21 AM
People that work a lot have no time to develop interests and hobbies not work related. Often you hear "successfull" people say they never want to retire because they love to work.
I would rather travel the country in a Westfalia for months at a time than working 16 h day just to commute in a Mercedes.
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Post by: _aj_ on March 12, 2016, 09:50:40 AM
At least once a day one of these threads is transmitted from some Getbigger living under an I95 overpass.
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Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 12, 2016, 09:52:16 AM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.

materialism is a big part of American culture. People believe that they will be bigger with a Bentley and a yacht. When they finally get there, most get disappointed.
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Post by: Kahn.N.Singh on March 12, 2016, 10:06:58 AM
"Everybody wanna be happy, but don't nobody wanna exercise arete" -- Aristotle (Arrie) Coleman
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Post by: SF1900 on March 12, 2016, 10:07:54 AM
"Everybody wanna be happy, but don't nobody wanna exercise arete" -- Aristotle (Arrie) Coleman

LMAO!!  ;D ;D
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 12, 2016, 10:22:08 AM
I've always felt that "Money can't buy happiness" is total BS, probably made up by a woman or an overly-idealistic poor person.

It is total BS.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 12, 2016, 10:28:44 AM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.

You can't do what you want in life without money or having to worry about money to make ends meet. I'm not talking about being "rich" (define rich)
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Post by: blackpele on March 12, 2016, 10:36:20 AM
In my opinion money do not buy happiness but they definetely help, however a complete lack of money will most probably bring misery in your life.
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Post by: SF1900 on March 12, 2016, 10:39:25 AM
In my opinion money do not buy happiness but they definetely help, however a complete lack of money will most probably bring misery in your life.

Exactly. You don't need to be filthy rich to be happy, but you definitely need enough money to pay the bills and enjoy extra, if you choose to. Obviously, nothing wrong with being rich, but not a necessity. On the other hand, being poor will lead to a difficult life.
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Post by: HTexan on March 12, 2016, 11:59:08 AM
many times the things you'd love to do cost a tonn of money
life cost money, bitches cost money, family cost money, etc,
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Post by: Rudee on March 12, 2016, 01:35:32 PM
A local news channel ran a story about a guy in his early 40's who worked as an Engineer for an oil & gas company here in Alberta, and was laid off last year due to the collapse in oil & gas prices.  You would think a person making over $100k/year would save some money for his future, but unfortunately for him, that wasn't the case.  When his severance benefits ended and he no income to pay the bills, he lost his home.  His Wife then left with the kids, and he had to swallow his pride and move back in with his parents, who are in their 70's.  
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Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 12, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
It's called having goals and not being a lazy c unt to reach them.

Not everyone was raised to be a princess and expect everything to fall at their feet.
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Post by: Simple Simon on March 12, 2016, 01:37:08 PM
You can't do what you want in life without money or having to worry about money to make ends meet. I'm not talking about being "rich" (define rich)
what if what you want to do doesn't require money?
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Post by: Hulkotron on March 12, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
Tell that to Robin Williams and Kurt Cobain or the famous newsreporter who slammed his car into the wall a few weeks ago.

Listen, let me tell you the REAL deal, broskie. Here goes:

If you're only problem in life is financial burdens, then, yes, of course money is going to buy happiness. Furthermore, I agree that having more money may make someone more happy.

However, if you're riddled with a host of other problems, that money cannot fix, then, all of the money in the world will not make you a happy person. It may assuage some of the negative feelings, but you probably wont be as happy as you want to be.

Holding all extraneous variables constant, yes, money can buy happiness. But, in life, its often the extraneous variables that lead to sadness, and some of these things cannot be fixed with money. In the end, its really contextual. So, it really all comes down to many factors. I mean, Robin Williams was diagnosed with an incurable disease, then wound up killing himself. Money couldn't cure his disease.

I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.
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Post by: Simple Simon on March 12, 2016, 01:52:54 PM
I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.
never gets old.
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Post by: Coach is Back! on March 12, 2016, 01:57:33 PM
what if what you want to do doesn't require money?

Everything requires money.
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Post by: Henda on March 12, 2016, 02:03:31 PM
If I never had kids I'd go back to being self employed and only work one job a month or ever six weeks, never felt the need to live lavish or have hobbies that cost a ton of money, as long as bills are paid and food on the table id not give a fuck and would take plenty time off and just train, potter around in the garage ect
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Post by: Palumboism on March 12, 2016, 02:07:14 PM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.

What if you could do this for three years and retire to do what ever you want for the rest of your life. 
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Post by: Grape Ape on March 12, 2016, 02:36:27 PM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.

Yeah, but when the retire in their late 40s and 50s, they can do anything they fucking want.

Young people view those ages as limited, but they're far from it.
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Post by: HTexan on March 12, 2016, 02:57:41 PM
Everything requires money.
This.
Even bums on the street need money.
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Post by: BBSSchlemiel on March 12, 2016, 03:08:45 PM
I think the OP is asking why work sixteen hour days when one can work less and still earn a living, though not as much.

Many of these Wall Street workers are highly opportunistic, highly individualistic, money-obsessed people. They spend little time with friends and family and they don't get involved with women seriously, or if they  do, it's an "arrangement" of sorts. It's hard to be a good dad or partner when one works those hours. Many of them also see those with less money as being "losers" or "ordinary people". The whole thing is part of their personality, getting one up on the next person.

Money does make them happy, not just the amount one needs to lead a satisfying life, but the amount of money that makes one rich. Also, what makes one person happy might not make another person happy.
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Post by: oldtimer1 on March 12, 2016, 03:16:44 PM
I know money doesn't make for happiness. All you really need financially is a roof over your head and food. Anything else is gravy.  I would never put down a hard working person who works many hours and travels far to make a better life for his family.  A work ethic is a dying thing. A work ethic more than a college degree and anything else will determine your fate in life. Many claim someone had luck but you make your luck through effort and hard work.  

I remember when my future son in law said to me I was lucky in life. Lucky to retire early. Lucky to live in a fantastic house. Now that he has followed in relatively the same career path working like a dog to get there he completely understands that hard work has it's rewards.  
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Post by: DroppingPlates on March 12, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Everything requires money.

How much do they charge in the US for walking on the beach while enjoying the sun?
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Post by: Garbage Man on March 12, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
I've always felt that "Money can't buy happiness" is total BS, probably made up by a woman or an overly-idealistic poor person.
Which is so different from you, who is super tough and manly.


Damn, you're such a stud.



We all look up to you.



Amazing guy, you. People don't get you, man. This culture, it brings you down. You're one of the old school tough guys, slamming his way through life.



Simply amazing, you.
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Post by: HTexan on March 12, 2016, 03:29:21 PM
How much do they charge in the US for walking on the beach while enjoying the sun?
A beach parking permit and bail for jail, because without money you're walking around nude.
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Post by: Zillotch on March 12, 2016, 03:33:55 PM
Kill yourself. Its free.
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Post by: DroppingPlates on March 12, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
A beach parking permit and bail for jail, because without money you're walking around nude.

Get a life, even the homeless wear clothes and you don't need to car to go from a to b ::)
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Post by: Fortress on March 12, 2016, 04:14:50 PM
Money comes and goes.

Time just goes.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on March 12, 2016, 05:07:21 PM
What if you could do this for three years and retire to do what ever you want for the rest of your life.  

Lol, retiring after three years of six figure income? Dude, I haven't made under $250k a year since 2010 and I'm not retiring anytime soon. You pay shit off and find other stuff to spend money on, thus keeping you working. That is, if you are a "hungry" person. I'm setting up for future generations of my family by investing in my kids. I put a minimum of $4,000 a year in each of their college accounts. You want to blow off steam? $10k a year in a travel budget at least. I used to think at 25 that people who made "x" amount a year would have no problems, but the reality is, that you just spend more and find more shit to buy.
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Post by: Slik on March 12, 2016, 07:23:14 PM
So we can support the ones watching springer n eating bon bons all day.
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Post by: OneMoreRep on March 12, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
Money won't provide you with happiness, I've tested that.

What it will do is allow you to not have to worry about the bullshit (rent, food, bills, debt, kids' future etc.) that gets in the way of your attaining happiness.

Happiness, at least in my experience, comes from sharing those special moments in life with the people you value the most (family, friends etc.), while learning about and trying new things.

"1"
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Post by: SF1900 on March 12, 2016, 08:05:40 PM
Money won't provide you with happiness, I've tested that.

What it will do is allow you to not have to worry about the bullshit (rent, food, bills, debt, kids' future etc.) that gets in the way of your attaining happiness.

Happiness, at least in my experience, comes from sharing those special moments in life with the people you value the most (family, friends etc.), while learning about and trying new things.

"1"

What about the special moments on getbig? I realize you did not include that. Brutal.
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Post by: Grape Ape on March 12, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
Lol, retiring after three years of six figure income? Dude, I haven't made under $250k a year since 2010 and I'm not retiring anytime soon. You pay shit off and find other stuff to spend money on, thus keeping you working. That is, if you are a "hungry" person. I'm setting up for future generations of my family by investing in my kids. I put a minimum of $4,000 a year in each of their college accounts. You want to blow off steam? $10k a year in a travel budget at least. I used to think at 25 that people who made "x" amount a year would have no problems, but the reality is, that you just spend more and find more shit to buy.

Irongrip telling us his salary for the 50th  time in this thread.

But it's true, couple hundred k a year is nice, but not rich.   A lot depends on geography and family situation.   A single guy making that can do pretty much what he wants, but with a family, you live well, but you're not going to retire.
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Post by: DanM on March 12, 2016, 10:39:04 PM
I recall reading a study on the biggest regrets elderly people had on their death bed, working to much was the # 1 regret.
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Post by: kawaks on March 12, 2016, 11:17:27 PM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.

Yeah buddy it's called getting ahead in life to keep one's head above water.

Yo! Yo! Yo!, let's go! go! go!
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Post by: pellius on March 12, 2016, 11:53:47 PM
Get a life, even the homeless wear clothes and you don't need to car to go from a to b ::)

And where do the homeless get their clothes? They get it from people with money. And sure you don't need a car to get from A to B but cars have changed our lives. A ten mile trip in a car is nothing. On foot it's a day's journey.

If you want to walk on the beach you need money to live in a beach community. If not, then you need money to have a car to drive to the beach. If no car, then you need money to ride the bus to get to the beach. And if you have to walk... well, nobody is going to walk several miles just to walk some more on the beach. And if you are homeless living on the beach the only walking you do is to look for water bottles and soda cans to get some money so you can buy food.

 
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Post by: Fortress on March 13, 2016, 07:25:22 PM
I recall reading a study on the biggest regrets elderly people had on their death bed, working to much was the # 1 regret.

Your regret should be not yet knowing the proper uses of to, too, and two.
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Post by: thebrink on March 13, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
Money pays for my hedonistic lifestyle
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Post by: pellius on March 13, 2016, 09:30:20 PM
Tell that to Robin Williams and Kurt Cobain or the famous newsreporter who slammed his car into the wall a few weeks ago.

Listen, let me tell you the REAL deal, broskie. Here goes:

If you're only problem in life is financial burdens, then, yes, of course money is going to buy happiness. Furthermore, I agree that having more money may make someone more happy.

However, if you're riddled with a host of other problems, that money cannot fix, then, all of the money in the world will not make you a happy person. It may assuage some of the negative feelings, but you probably wont be as happy as you want to be.

Holding all extraneous variables constant, yes, money can buy happiness. But, in life, its often the extraneous variables that lead to sadness, and some of these things cannot be fixed with money. In the end, its really contextual. So, it really all comes down to many factors. I mean, Robin Williams was diagnosed with an incurable disease, then wound up killing himself. Money couldn't cure his disease.

This is it right here. You need money to be happy. We are corporeal beings and simply have certain needs to function and be comfortable. There's no way around it. I remember how miserable I was when my a/c went out in my car and I was driving around for a while constantly sweating. My back, the back of my legs were wet with sweat. Sweat would form on my forehead and drip down my face. Sweat would pool in my belly area where my skin folds from being in the seated position. I was not a happy person. Such a relatively trivial thing made my daily life miserable.

So you have to have money to be happy, but money alone is not going to do it if the "extraneous variables" are not in check. Money, as we use to say in math, "is a necessary but insufficient condition" for happiness. But without money, without being able to take care of your basic needs, life will be nothing but daily misery.

“Hey, baby, nobody suffers like the poor.”

-- Mickey Rourke as Henry Chinaski, "Barfly"


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Post by: jude2 on March 13, 2016, 09:33:59 PM
How much do they charge in the US for walking on the beach while enjoying the sun?
My white ass needs a lot of sunscreen.
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Post by: pellius on March 13, 2016, 09:37:37 PM
Irongrip telling us his salary for the 50th  time in this thread.

But it's true, couple hundred k a year is nice, but not rich.   A lot depends on geography and family situation.   A single guy making that can do pretty much what he wants, but with a family, you live well, but you're not going to retire.

It really depends on how you define rich and what you expect you should have in life. Just making $100,000/yr puts you in the top 10% of earners in the richest country in the world. Harley Breite drives a Ferrari and a Bently and has several collectibles being customize in the shop each one of them worth more than the average person makes in a year. He gets to travel the world and wear fancy suits and I'm sure never runs short of food or gas money at the end of the week -- yet he does not consider himself rich.
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Post by: hazbin on March 13, 2016, 09:43:46 PM
indoctrination
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Post by: honest on March 13, 2016, 11:31:40 PM
money is ugly I will tell you that, I have lived without it and with it, I certainly had more true friends without it, people share a common bond when you don't have enough of it, as soon as you have more, the envy and jealousy kicks in and say good bye to your friends, they might be okay with your new found success and wealth  but they will be married to someone who isn't lol.
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Post by: galain on March 13, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
Lol, retiring after three years of six figure income? Dude, I haven't made under $250k a year since 2010 and I'm not retiring anytime soon. You pay shit off and find other stuff to spend money on, thus keeping you working. That is, if you are a "hungry" person. I'm setting up for future generations of my family by investing in my kids. I put a minimum of $4,000 a year in each of their college accounts. You want to blow off steam? $10k a year in a travel budget at least. I used to think at 25 that people who made "x" amount a year would have no problems, but the reality is, that you just spend more and find more shit to buy.

You have a perspective most people don't - I find this interesting Was talking to the son of a good friend who has just started work in the finance world. Crazy hours - around the 16 per day mark, 2 days off a week but not consecutive, starting salary of $200K + -and he's in his mid 20's. He says he plans to give them 10 years of life, have a house paid off and then go back to a 'normal' job (he's got a law degree so I guess he'll still be pulling long hours). He's just moved to Sydney though and that place rapes your wallet.

I can understand someone his age being ok killing themselves for a big wage. If it happens when you're older and have other priorities in life, it seems a bit sad from my perspective.
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Post by: cephissus on March 13, 2016, 11:54:51 PM
People that work a lot have no time to develop interests and hobbies not work related.

end of thread.

once novelty fades, the deeper you get, the more you achieve, the more fun you have.  if you're kicking ass at your job 16 hours a day, good luck finding the same level of fulfillment dicking around at level 0 in whatever other hobby you try your hand at.
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Post by: DroppingPlates on March 14, 2016, 12:01:43 AM
And where do the homeless get their clothes? They get it from people with money. And sure you don't need a car to get from A to B but cars have changed our lives. A ten mile trip in a car is nothing. On foot it's a day's journey.

If you want to walk on the beach you need money to live in a beach community. If not, then you need money to have a car to drive to the beach. If no car, then you need money to ride the bus to get to the beach. And if you have to walk... well, nobody is going to walk several miles just to walk some more on the beach. And if you are homeless living on the beach the only walking you do is to look for water bottles and soda cans to get some money so you can buy food.

 

You're really trying hard to score some argument points ::) My point however is, is that you don't need to be loaded to enjoy the simple things of life, and working 16h/day is only limiting the time you have left to enjoy those things.
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Post by: pellius on March 14, 2016, 12:30:36 AM
money is ugly I will tell you that, I have lived without it and with it, I certainly had more true friends without it, people share a common bond when you don't have enough of it, as soon as you have more, the envy and jealousy kicks in and say good bye to your friends, they might be okay with your new found success and wealth  but they will be married to someone who isn't lol.

So since you've come to realize that life is better without money then it would be safe to assume you don't have any money.
So how are you able to use a computer and get access to electricity?
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Post by: pellius on March 14, 2016, 12:37:55 AM
You're really trying hard to score some argument points ::) My point however is, is that you don't need to be loaded to enjoy the simple things of life, and working 16h/day is only limiting the time you have left to enjoy those things.

Not trying hard at all. Just because money isn't coming out of your pocket doesn't mean it's free.

Now if you made your point exactly as you have stated it here then you would have no argument from me. But that was not the argument that you originally made.

Also, people don't consider that some jobs have intrinsic value that they simply enjoy doing it and would continue to do even if it was free. Golfing is huge in Hawaii and I have a friend that is about to go pro. His whole life revolves around golfing. And he loves every minute of it. And some people have to work long hours simply because they don't have high paying jobs. When I was 18 yo and trying to make ends meet I worked three jobs, 72 hours a week.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 02:21:58 AM
Lol, retiring after three years of six figure income? Dude, I haven't made under $250k a year since 2010 and I'm not retiring anytime soon. You pay shit off and find other stuff to spend money on, thus keeping you working. That is, if you are a "hungry" person. I'm setting up for future generations of my family by investing in my kids. I put a minimum of $4,000 a year in each of their college accounts. You want to blow off steam? $10k a year in a travel budget at least. I used to think at 25 that people who made "x" amount a year would have no problems, but the reality is, that you just spend more and find more shit to buy.

Isn't that indicative of being unhappy? Constantly replacing toys with ever more expensive ones strongly suggests you were not satisfied with the ones you had. If so, then this cycle is not likely to end, so money truly does not buy happiness in this scenario.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 02:26:04 AM
You see these young men working on wall street in NYC and shit working 12 hours a day and commuting 2 hours each way from NJ. So essentially a 16 hour day, just so they can be rich. What is it worth? I'd rather be poor doing what the hell I want with my life rather than making a shit ton of money I don't even have time to spend and working as someone's slave.

I feel the same way, which is why I'm downsizing my working life. Too many hours, too much traveling. I'm looking to go down to a comfortable job, okay income (~3 times median), and lots of free time. No expensive hobbies except for cigars. :D I would prefer getting rid of my car, and the wife and I would like a smaller house. So many things still to do ('do', not 'buy'), and one cannot buy back time.
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Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 14, 2016, 02:35:50 AM
I feel the same way, which is why I'm downsizing my working life. Too many hours, too much traveling. I'm looking to go down to a comfortable job, okay income (~3 times median), and lots of free time. No expensive hobbies except for cigars. :D I would prefer getting rid of my car, and the wife and I would like a smaller house. So many things still to do ('do', not 'buy'), and one cannot buy back time.

I guess you own your home?

I prefer renting, because then I can move more easily if I have to in case I lose my job.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 02:57:08 AM
I guess you own your home?

I prefer renting, because then I can move more easily if I have to in case I lose my job.
Partly own it. Which is what bothers me a bit, so I'm either going to rent (freedom to run away instantly), or buy outright (freedom to rebuild as I see fit), haven't decided yet. But let me first decide where I want to live. :)
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 03:49:20 AM
Why people were hunting thousands of years ago?

What is "happiness"? Why many people think we are here for some kind of mystical "happiness"? I'm certainly not searching for happiness while trying to earn as much money as possible, I'm seeking for power, control, domination, being able to fuck hottest females. Sometimes I feel very happy achieving that, but I don't concentrate on that feeling.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 14, 2016, 04:03:18 AM
Partly own it. Which is what bothers me a bit, so I'm either going to rent (freedom to run away instantly), or buy outright (freedom to rebuild as I see fit), haven't decided yet. But let me first decide where I want to live. :)

I hear there is a nice trailer for rent in Sylva, NC. There is still some chicken breast left in the freezer and you might also be able to find some old battle for the olympia VHS tape with only slightly greasy covers.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 04:09:24 AM
I hear there is a nice trailer for rent in Sylva, NC. There is still some chicken breast left in the freezer and you might also be able to find some old battle for the olympia VHS tape with only slightly greasy covers.

sounds like such prime real estate, I cannot afford something of that caliber. ;D
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 04:12:10 AM
Why people were hunting thousands of years ago?

What is "happiness"? Why many people think we are here for some kind of mystical "happiness"? I'm certainly not searching for happiness while trying to earn as much money as possible, I'm seeking for power, control, domination, being able to fuck hottest females. Sometimes I feel very happy achieving that, but I don't concentrate on that feeling.
Good for you, if that is working for you. Other people want something else. I am happy in a modest home, with a beat-up old car, and enough cash to buy the food and cigars I want. I will be even happier once I find a job that allows me to travel less, and focus more on my hobbies.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 14, 2016, 04:43:41 AM
Why people were hunting thousands of years ago?

What is "happiness"? Why many people think we are here for some kind of mystical "happiness"? I'm certainly not searching for happiness while trying to earn as much money as possible, I'm seeking for power, control, domination, being able to fuck hottest females. Sometimes I feel very happy achieving that, but I don't concentrate on that feeling.

Can't figure out who you are - but I've norrowed it down to either Tywin Lannister, Kylo Ren, or Megatron.  

Or you might be a lion.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 04:53:06 AM
Good for you, if that is working for you. Other people want something else. I am happy in a modest home, with a beat-up old car, and enough cash to buy the food and cigars I want. I will be even happier once I find a job that allows me to travel less, and focus more on my hobbies.

Well I'd guess that making sure the odds of survival are as good as possible - is "working" for anyone. Unless suicidal. There can be an in between (like your outlook), but who wouldn't increase their survival ods if given a chance, however you look. Happiness is a higly misunderstood concept, very skewed and many people are running in circles just because of that (many indulge in alco/narco, just because they can't seem to find that "nirvana", "permanent happiness", which simply does not exist). I dont ceased to care about how happy I am quite some time ago, because I know that feeling "happy" is a natural outcome when you have all your ducks in a row in life, pretty much it. I feel at ease most of the time, chill, not much worries, my survival is not threatened too much, thus I'm pretty "happy" (not depressed is good enough).
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 04:54:54 AM
Can't figure out who you are - but I've norrowed it down to either Tywin Lannister, Kylo Ren, or Megatron.  

Or you might be a lion.

I'm Jaime Lanister, just with both hands. A warrior, a hero, a leader and well... I don't fuck my sister either (because I dont have one. Esp. as hot as Sersey).
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: _aj_ on March 14, 2016, 04:55:22 AM
Can't figure out who you are - but I've norrowed it down to either Tywin Lannister, Kylo Ren, or Megatron.  

Or you might be a lion.

I've seen pics...Megatron is probably the closest.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 14, 2016, 04:58:19 AM
I've seen pics...Megatron is probably the closest.

If megatron wore a bowtie and skinny jeans.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: _aj_ on March 14, 2016, 05:00:11 AM
I'm Jaime Lanister, just with both hands. A warrior, a hero, a leader and well... I don't fuck my sister either (because I dont have one. Esp. as hot as Sersey).

This makes me hard...until I realize that you might be Jason Blaha.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 05:30:23 AM
Well I'd guess that making sure the odds of survival are as good as possible - is "working" for anyone. Unless suicidal. There can be an in between (like your outlook), but who wouldn't increase their survival ods if given a chance, however you look. Happiness is a higly misunderstood concept, very skewed and many people are running in circles just because of that (many indulge in alco/narco, just because they can't seem to find that "nirvana", "permanent happiness", which simply does not exist). I dont ceased to care about how happy I am quite some time ago, because I know that feeling "happy" is a natural outcome when you have all your ducks in a row in life, pretty much it. I feel at ease most of the time, chill, not much worries, my survival is not threatened too much, thus I'm pretty "happy" (not depressed is good enough).
So the difference between you and me is that I do not fear the odds being against me. No reason to fear the odds, I know there is never going to be a threat to my happiness.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 14, 2016, 05:41:22 AM
Lol, retiring after three years of six figure income? Dude, I haven't made under $250k a year since 2010 and I'm not retiring anytime soon. You pay shit off and find other stuff to spend money on, thus keeping you working. That is, if you are a "hungry" person. I'm setting up for future generations of my family by investing in my kids. I put a minimum of $4,000 a year in each of their college accounts. You want to blow off steam? $10k a year in a travel budget at least. I used to think at 25 that people who made "x" amount a year would have no problems, but the reality is, that you just spend more and find more shit to buy.

Not everyone is like this. I went from around 200-220K beginning of last year to 500K at the end and still going, I save my money and buy things in bulk in order to make more money and save it to have backup just in case. Also so I can make sure I keep earning that much and any competition I have doesn't get a chance to stop me. I also don't spend my money on anything big and wouldn't until I had enough so I don't have problems. Why i'm not married too  :).

I fucking love making this much for no other reason than it was my goal to get to this level and of course I want to go higher. I have two shitty cars and I really don't care about anything materialistic, just reaching goals.

If I get to the point where I never have to work again I would probably still work as hard but start blowing half the money on shit LOL.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 05:59:30 AM
This makes me hard...until I realize that you might be Jason Blaha.

But..... I could very well be the Allmihty.......Mike..... .....O'MG, Hearn!
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 06:01:22 AM
If megatron wore a bowtie and skinny jeans.

I have to downplay my intimidating stature so people would be curious to know the "inner side" of me, not just evaluate like a piece of meat/a greek statue. I have a sensitive side, u know.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 06:02:16 AM
So the difference between you and me is that I do not fear the odds being against me. No reason to fear the odds, I know there is never going to be a threat to my happiness.

May be true. I just tried to explain why people strive to get rich and work a lot. For the same reason why our ancestors strived to hunt as much meat as possible.
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Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 06:08:33 AM
May be true. I just tried to explain why people strive to get rich and work a lot. For the same reason why our ancestors strived to hunt as much meat as possible.
I know. And if it makes you happy, then that's fine. I believe the OP was referring to people who do what you do because they feel they are somehow obligated to do it. Those are the people I pity. If you do it because you like making more money for its own sake: great. In the grand scheme of things as useful as me trying to lift as much weight overhead as possible, but both equally valid options if they are the ones you chose for maximising happiness.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 06:15:00 AM
I know. And if it makes you happy, then that's fine. I believe the OP was referring to people who do what you do because they feel they are somehow obligated to do it. Those are the people I pity. If you do it because you like making more money for its own sake: great. In the grand scheme of things as useful as me trying to lift as much weight overhead as possible, but both equally valid options if they are the ones you chose for maximising happiness.

I could repeat myself, but - I'm not searching for happiness. I find this "search for happiness" very flawed from a get go. No other animal is trying to search for happiness, only people, and they fail miserably. Because they doesn't realize that we are here not to be "happy" (today I feel kind of sad. Idk why tbh, but I don't mind it, it will pass, just like when I'm feeling very happy, it's a constant change), we are here to fight for survival, survive, procreate, to be alive so to speak. If we are succesfull at that (live comfortably/no stress, because stress equals a threat of death in it's essence) - we feel "good emotions", and if we are conctantly succeeding at it - we are "happy", there's really nothing else to that. I'm not trying to maximise my happiness, I'm trying to maximise my power, my survival, survival of my closest people. I like fucking hot and young girls, it doesn't usualy happen if one is not very valuable as a partner for survival (aside good genes). People overrationalize this shit way too much.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: phreak on March 14, 2016, 06:20:20 AM
I could repeat myself, but - I'm not searching for happiness. I find this "search for happiness" very flawed from a get go. No other animal is trying to search for happiness, only people, and they fail miserably. Because they doesn't realize that we are here not to be "happy" (today I feel kind of sad. Idk why tbh, but I don't mind it, it will pass, just like when I'm feeling very happy, it's a constant change), we are here to fight for survival, survive, procreate, to be alive so to speak. If we are succesfull at that (live comfortably/no stress, because stress equals a threat of death in it's essence) - we feel "good emotions", and if we are conctantly succeeding at it - we are "happy", there's really nothing else to that. I'm not trying to maximise my happiness, I'm trying to maximise my power, my survival, survival of my closest people. I like fucking hot and young girls, it doesn't usualy happen if one is not very valuable as a partner for survival (aside good genes). People overrationalize this shit way too much.
I hope you see the irony in your final statement.

Also: you seem terribly narrow in your views. Just because you find the search flawed, does not mean it actually is flawed for others. Do many fail? Yes, because they are being told by people like you that simply gathering resources should make them happy -- which it doesn't.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 14, 2016, 06:29:48 AM
people should be free to work as much as they want. However, not many people realize what they miss out on when they work so much. If you work 70 hours per week for years, you must feel that a Rolex watch and a Bentley is more important than more time for social life and sports. Otherwise, that rat race is pointless.

I sometimes see old men in sports cars with sad faces who look like shit. I wonder if they think it was worth it to have that SL500 Mercedes?
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 06:30:00 AM
I hope you see the irony in your final statement.

Also: you seem terribly narrow in your views. Just because you find the search flawed, does not mean it actually is flawed for others. Do many fail? Yes, because they are being told by people like you that simply gathering resources should make them happy -- which it doesn't.

What I write is a pretty simple evolutional point of view, a factual reality, while many tend to talk about happiness in various poethical and philosophical ways. I think I shoot straight to the target with this one.
 And I don't say that gathering resources will make them happy, I say that happiness is a human created illusion (at least the way it is presented). There's no "happiness", just one of the emotions that signalize our brain about a good situation of survival or bad situation. I've yet to see a "not happy" person who is rich and has a balance in his head (regarding daily stuff/relathionships/etc..) and I've yet to see a happy person who's poor and disoriented in a reality. But it's all relative still, because permanently happy are only legally retarded people or addicts (while high). Emotions are meant to give a signal of certain kind. Everything that is happening in our head has a very specific reason. Body can't afford to keep any system, be it physical or emotional, just for the sake of it.
 Finally - it's ALL about survival, all, we do nothing that is not related to survival. Once you realize this - everything else falls to a place.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 06:32:30 AM
people should be free to work as much as they want. However, not many people realize what they miss out on when they work so much. If you work 70 hours per week for years, you must feel that a Rolex watch and a Bentley is more important than more time for social life and sports. Otherwise, that rat race is pointless.

I sometimes see old men in sports cars with sad faces who look like shit. I wonder if they think it was worth it to have that SL500 Mercedes?


But you probably a lot more often see poor people with sad faces of any age, don't you?
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Tapeworm on March 14, 2016, 06:43:11 AM
My schedule doesn't lend itself to 8 hour M-F work days.  I imagine others also have deadlines to meet which don't move just because most people are going home.  How you gonna work 8 hours when there's only 4 hours of shit to do?  How do you do 12 hours worth of stuff in an 8 hour day?  Hours shmouwers.  You either accomplish the task on time or you don't.  Why do people want to work a job that's hours oriented rather than task oriented?  So they can watch the clock crawl all day?
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: HTexan on March 14, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
Get a life, even the homeless wear clothes and you don't need to car to go from a to b ::)
You get a life leach. Clothes arn't free. Somebody had to pay for that clothes. You think clothes should be free? Some hipster designed the clothes, some farmer grew that cotton, some immigrant was responsible for picking the cotton, then some boat dude transported the shit to China. Then Some little fucking Chinese kid put the clothes together, a whole shitload of people were responsible for getting it transported back to the US. Then some pimple face kid sold it to you in the fucking mall. Are you saying that all those people should work for free just for your fat lazy overprivileged ass? That's the problem with America today, everybody is a fucking lazy pussy.  /end rant ::) ::)
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Post by: SF1900 on March 14, 2016, 01:43:25 PM
You get a life leach. Clothes isn't free. Somebody had to pay for that clothes. You think closes should be free? Some hipster designed the clothes, some farmer grew that cotton, some immigrant was responsible for picking the cotton, then some boat dude transported the shit to China. Then Some little fucking Chinese kid put the clothes together, a whole shitload of people were responsible for getting it transported back to the US. Then some pimple face kid sold it to you in the fucking mall. Are you saying that all those people should work for free just for your fat lazy overprivileged ass? That's the problem with America today, everybody is a fucking lazy pussy.  /end rant ::) ::)

A lot more people work than don't work. If every body was lazy, every body would be on welfare. Most people wake up every morning and go to work when compared to the ones that don't.

Every generation that comes along is lazy, uneducated, stupid, privileged, blah, blah, blah. All the older people look at current generations, wave their fist in the air and say something cliche like, "When I was 8 years old, I walked 87 miles to school one way, in 45 feet of snow, with no shoes on." Sure you did.  ::) ::) ::)
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Post by: HTexan on March 14, 2016, 01:52:20 PM
A lot more people work than don't work. If every body was lazy, every body would be on welfare. Most people wake up every morning and go to work when compared to the ones that don't.

Every generation that comes along is lazy, uneducated, stupid, privileged, blah, blah, blah. All the older people look at current generations, wave their fist in the air and say something cliche like, "When I was 8 years old, I walked 87 miles to school one way, in 45 feet of snow, with no shoes on." Sure you did.  ::) ::) ::)
Most people just want a pay check, and do just enough need to get in trouble.
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Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 14, 2016, 01:58:17 PM

But you probably a lot more often see poor people with sad faces of any age, don't you?

that is likely true. Also, white undereducated men who don't have jobs are killing themselves in record numbers:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/01/white-working-class-poverty/424341/
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 14, 2016, 02:38:25 PM
In a capitalistic society MONEY=HAPPYNESS

Just because you see Rich people unhappy, it's not the money making them unhappy.  It's other shit plus most likely drug use.



Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 04:37:30 PM
that is likely true. Also, white undereducated men who don't have jobs are killing themselves in record numbers:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/01/white-working-class-poverty/424341/

That's what I'm talking about. Better to be sad and rich than sad and poor.
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Post by: da_vinci on March 14, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
In a capitalistic society MONEY=HAPPYNESS

Just because you see Rich people unhappy, it's not the money making them unhappy.  It's other shit plus most likely drug use.





The funny thing is - in other societies there are other "money" or signs of power and domination that everyone strive for. Money is just a manifestation of how good can you adapt to this enviroment and get an edge over the rest.
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Post by: jude2 on March 14, 2016, 07:51:30 PM
A lot more people work than don't work. If every body was lazy, every body would be on welfare. Most people wake up every morning and go to work when compared to the ones that don't.

Every generation that comes along is lazy, uneducated, stupid, privileged, blah, blah, blah. All the older people look at current generations, wave their fist in the air and say something cliche like, "When I was 8 years old, I walked 87 miles to school one way, in 45 feet of snow, with no shoes on." Sure you did.  ::) ::) ::)
I think it is more like half work and half don't. 50% are on some type of welfare.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: pellius on March 14, 2016, 11:57:32 PM
In a capitalistic society MONEY=HAPPYNESS

Just because you see Rich people unhappy, it's not the money making them unhappy.  It's other shit plus most likely drug use.


Having money also gives you more options -- including not having money. It cracks me when people say that the more money you have the more problems you get and the more miserable you become. If that's the case just get rid of the money. Very, very easy to do.

Much easier for a rich man to become poor than a poor man to become rich.
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Post by: pellius on March 14, 2016, 11:59:21 PM
A lot more people work than don't work. If every body was lazy, every body would be on welfare. Most people wake up every morning and go to work when compared to the ones that don't.

Every generation that comes along is lazy, uneducated, stupid, privileged, blah, blah, blah. All the older people look at current generations, wave their fist in the air and say something cliche like, "When I was 8 years old, I walked 87 miles to school one way, in 45 feet of snow, with no shoes on." Sure you did.  ::) ::) ::)

If everybody was lazy then there would be no wealth created to pay for welfare.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: SF1900 on March 15, 2016, 12:05:02 AM
In a capitalistic society MONEY=HAPPYNESS

Just because you see Rich people unhappy, it's not the money making them unhappy.  It's other shit plus most likely drug use.





Well, yeah, like many things in life, money is neither inherently good or bad, and can be used to create happiness or unhappiness. I agree, it's not the money itself that makes someone unhappy, but how responsible they are with it.
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Post by: pellius on March 15, 2016, 12:10:33 AM
Well, yeah, like many things in life, money is neither inherently good or bad, and can be used to create happiness or unhappiness. I agree, it's not the money itself that makes someone unhappy, but how responsible they are with it.

It's not so much if you are responsible with money. I mean, if you are not responsible you just go back to being poor. It's what you do to get and keep that money that is corrupting and the cause for unhappiness.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: JasonH on March 15, 2016, 05:08:35 AM
Money and happiness are two completely different things and I don't know why people try and link the two.

Why should money bring happiness? Turn it on its head and you'll see how ridiculous the notion is - ask will more happiness bring more money? Not necessarily.

There are happy poor people, happy rich people, sad poor people and sad rich people. It's very hard to correlate financial status and state of mind, they are unrelated as far as I'm concerned.

Going back to the original question - I'm sure there are people working on Wall Street doing 16 hour days purely because they want to and because they can, simple as that - it gives them purpose, it pays the bills, it's a living, it's a status thing, all of the above.
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Post by: pellius on March 15, 2016, 05:22:54 AM
Money and happiness are two completely different things and I don't know why people try and link the two.

Why should money bring happiness? Turn it on its head and you'll see how ridiculous the notion is - ask will more happiness bring more money? Not necessarily.

There are happy poor people, happy rich people, sad poor people and sad rich people. It's very hard to correlate financial status and state of mind, they are unrelated as far as I'm concerned.

Going back to the original question - I'm sure there are people working on Wall Street doing 16 hour days purely because they want to and because they can, simple as that - it gives them purpose, it pays the bills, it's a living, it's a status thing, all of the above.

Providing for your basic needs is a requirement for happiness. If you don't have a roof over your head, no or not enough food to eat, you're cold or hot, people stare at you because you are dressed in rags, your feet are callous and have sores because of no shoes, you have a mop of hair full of lice because it's never cut or washed, you stink to high heaven because you can't bathe.

You sound like someone who has never been truly poor. Never know what it's like to live on the streets grubbing for food. Truly poor people are not happy. They may have happy moments but when you belly is aching for food, you're filthy, can't read, sick or injured with no access to a doctor.

Money is a necessary but insufficient condition for happiness. Without money you are miserable.

Don't believe me? Get rid of all your money. You wouldn't get rid of your air conditioner and heater let alone two days without eating.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 15, 2016, 05:25:54 AM
Money and happiness are two completely different things and I don't know why people try and link the two.

Why should money bring happiness? Turn it on its head and you'll see how ridiculous the notion is - ask will more happiness bring more money? Not necessarily.

There are happy poor people, happy rich people, sad poor people and sad rich people. It's very hard to correlate financial status and state of mind, they are unrelated as far as I'm concerned.

Going back to the original question - I'm sure there are people working on Wall Street doing 16 hour days purely because they want to and because they can, simple as that - it gives them purpose, it pays the bills, it's a living, it's a status thing, all of the above.

not true. Read this:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/50027184

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2019628,00.html
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: JasonH on March 15, 2016, 08:43:03 AM
Providing for your basic needs is a requirement for happiness. If you don't have a roof over your head, no or not enough food to eat, you're cold or hot, people stare at you because you are dressed in rags, your feet are callous and have sores because of no shoes, you have a mop of hair full of lice because it's never cut or washed, you stink to high heaven because you can't bathe.

You sound like someone who has never been truly poor. Never know what it's like to live on the streets grubbing for food. Truly poor people are not happy. They may have happy moments but when you belly is aching for food, you're filthy, can't read, sick or injured with no access to a doctor.

Money is a necessary but insufficient condition for happiness. Without money you are miserable.

Don't believe me? Get rid of all your money. You wouldn't get rid of your air conditioner and heater let alone two days without eating.

Hmm fair enough, I stand corrected. I suppose when you bring it down to the lowest common denominator there is a genuine need for some money to bring a certain degree of happiness and well-being.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: kh300 on March 15, 2016, 01:29:42 PM
The older I get the more of a minimalist I become. I used to collect materiel objects as a scorecard. I've demoted myself at work and earn less. I now own a truck I bought with cash when I used to make payments on 3 vehicles. Moved into a smaller house. The simpler my life is the happier I become. We are taught from a young age to follow a plan and to buy yourself into happiness. Its simply not true. Less is more in life. But to each his own.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: honest on March 15, 2016, 03:22:31 PM
So since you've come to realize that life is better without money then it would be safe to assume you don't have any money.
So how are you able to use a computer and get access to electricity?

Wrong assumption on your behalf, I just identified some problems that I have encountered with having what some would perceive as a lifestyle over and above their own, I am at peace with myself that a lot of the friends I grew up with are no longer in touch with me, I don't really have time to worry about it, and being driven and successful isn't a crime,  I am at my happiest either working, training or enjoying the fruits of working hard holidaying with my family.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: HTexan on March 15, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
The older I get the more of a minimalist I become. I used to collect materiel objects as a scorecard. I've demoted myself at work and earn less. I now own a truck I bought with cash when I used to make payments on 3 vehicles. Moved into a smaller house. The simpler my life is the happier I become. We are taught from a young age to follow a plan and to buy yourself into happiness. Its simply not true. Less is more in life. But to each his own.

yeah, when I got my first "good paying" job straight out of college, I when ape shit too. I had 3 cars, what single man needs 3 cars? I basically bought all the shit I wanted growing up but couldn't afford.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Irongrip400 on March 15, 2016, 04:38:04 PM
Irongrip telling us his salary for the 50th  time in this thread.

But it's true, couple hundred k a year is nice, but not rich.   A lot depends on geography and family situation.   A single guy making that can do pretty much what he wants, but with a family, you live well, but you're not going to retire.

 :o

Irongrip coming off as a monster douche. Seriously though, I'm very humble in person, I just like being a douche on here. Like getting home gym advice and not thanking folks, or starting diet threads and not following up...
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: cephissus on March 15, 2016, 04:57:22 PM
Irongrip telling us his salary for the 50th  time in this thread.

But it's true, couple hundred k a year is nice, but not rich.   A lot depends on geography and family situation.   A single guy making that can do pretty much what he wants, but with a family, you live well, but you're not going to retire.

You cant retire on 200k salary, with a family ??? ??? ???

Most depressing thing I've read in a while.  Pretty sure 99.9% of people in the world make less than that...

Or did you mean total income?
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 15, 2016, 06:32:41 PM
You cant retire on 200k salary, with a family ??? ??? ???

Most depressing thing I've read in a while.  Pretty sure 99.9% of people in the world make less than that...

Or did you mean total income?

I'm saying making 200k a year for a couple years is not going to be enough to retire, especially with a family.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: pellius on March 15, 2016, 07:20:42 PM
Wrong assumption on your behalf, I just identified some problems that I have encountered with having what some would perceive as a lifestyle over and above their own, I am at peace with myself that a lot of the friends I grew up with are no longer in touch with me, I don't really have time to worry about it, and being driven and successful isn't a crime,  I am at my happiest either working, training or enjoying the fruits of working hard holidaying with my family.

Not really. I just took you at your word and the implications that came with it.

"money is ugly I will tell you that"

Now saying that there are unique problems that comes with having money is a separate issue. I just want to debunk the notion for many people that try to minimize the importance of money for fear of being materialistic. The fact is, we are flesh and blood, we have basic needs and when they are not met life becomes a very miserable experience.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Irongrip400 on March 15, 2016, 07:39:33 PM
You cant retire on 200k salary, with a family ??? ??? ???

Most depressing thing I've read in a while.  Pretty sure 99.9% of people in the world make less than that...

Or did you mean total income?

Tell me how many years of making that are required to retire. The thing is, people who make that kind of money are never satisfied, which is why they make that money. Ever see some granola eating hippy making six figures and up? And don't post the exception.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: pellius on March 15, 2016, 07:51:39 PM
Tell me how many years of making that are required to retire. The thing is, people who make that kind of money are never satisfied, which is why they make that money. Ever see some granola eating hippy making six figures and up? And don't post the exception.

I don't remember where I read this but the upper limit for a single person was $50,000 a year before taxes. This was the amount determined that will maximize happiness from a money stand point. Meaning, after 50 grand additional money won't make you any happier. Of course, if you go from 50gs to a million plus a year you will happier, initially, but then things will settle back to normal. You keep buying things for that additional rush but again things settle back happiness wise as when you were at fifty grand.

This does not preclude addition happiness once you reach 50 grand/yr. It's just that additional happiness isn't going to come from money but from other aspects. Meeting the love of your life that actually lasts for life is the biggest happiness booster of all.

As a side note, going from a happy 50 grand/yr fella to a happy million/yr fella then back down to a 50 grand/yr fellas will be cause for great unhappiness.

It's the same principle that once you get a luxury it then becomes a necessity. I can't believe how long I went without a microwave, cell phone and an air conditioner. But once I got it there's no way I would want to go through life without it.

Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: jude2 on March 15, 2016, 08:01:41 PM
I don't remember where I read this but the upper limit for a single person was $50,000 a year before taxes. This was the amount determined that will maximize happiness from a money stand point. Meaning, after 50 grand additional money won't make you any happier. Of course, if you go from 50gs to a million plus a year you will happier, initially, but then things will settle back to normal. You keep buying things for that additional rush but again things settle back happiness wise as when you were at fifty grand.

This does not preclude addition happiness once you reach 50 grand/yr. It's just that additional happiness isn't going to come from money but from other aspects. Meeting the love of your life that actually lasts for life is the biggest happiness booster of all.

As a side note, going from a happy 50 grand/yr fella to a happy million/yr fella then back down to a 50 grand/yr fellas will be cause for great unhappiness.

It's the same principle that once you get a luxury it then becomes a necessity. I can't believe how long I went without a microwave, cell phone and an air conditioner. But once I got it there's no way I would want to go through life without it.


My kids tution cost 50k a year for their college.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: flinstones1 on March 15, 2016, 08:26:52 PM
I could repeat myself, but - I'm not searching for happiness. I find this "search for happiness" very flawed from a get go. No other animal is trying to search for happiness, only people, and they fail miserably. Because they doesn't realize that we are here not to be "happy" (today I feel kind of sad. Idk why tbh, but I don't mind it, it will pass, just like when I'm feeling very happy, it's a constant change), we are here to fight for survival, survive, procreate, to be alive so to speak. If we are succesfull at that (live comfortably/no stress, because stress equals a threat of death in it's essence) - we feel "good emotions", and if we are conctantly succeeding at it - we are "happy", there's really nothing else to that. I'm not trying to maximise my happiness, I'm trying to maximise my power, my survival, survival of my closest people. I like fucking hot and young girls, it doesn't usualy happen if one is not very valuable as a partner for survival (aside good genes). People overrationalize this shit way too much.

....good post...I agree with everything but the being successful necessary to fuck young hot chicks. Physicality ranks supreme with women under 25 in my experience. Women don't go into find a beta provider mode until their late 20's in my experience but I'm in Los Angeles keep in mind....Some reasons why I dont fuck with chicks in their late 20's...

1. a chick is past her prime by 27-28.....she can still look good obviously but no way in hell she's gonna look as good at 23
2. She is  more entitled with higher standards than ever at this age because she  thinks all her failed relationships  life experience makes her an incredible catch and a man would be lucky to have her.  no the reality is bitch,  you  can't compete against that  young hot 22 year old you  used to be.
3. Women in this age range are a total dead end street for alpha males... which is why I dont waste my time.  when a chick starts approaching 30 she needs to find a way to justify to herself why she hasn't locked down an alpha, so in order to convince herself she's not a piece of worthless shit and a total gold digging whore ;D, she'll tell herself that her taste in men has changed and alpha males dont appeal to her.  ;D  She'll settle down with  the super intelligent guy with a good career....  Of course she will cheat on him wth an alpha eventually  because she was never really attracted...usually after she's milked him for every financial resource he has leaving him with nothing.  If your too old to date women in their early 20's without feeling creepy just fuck with chicks in their 30's that have kids and save yourself the headache,  at least you know she will like you for you. I'd have no problem dating a single mom if I was in my 30's, nothing to be ashamed of at all. Or go ahead and wife up that 27 year old she'll look bit hotter   for a year or two  ::)...
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: pellius on March 15, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
My kids tution cost 50k a year for their college.

Shit, where does he go?

I bet he's happy.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: honest on March 15, 2016, 08:31:14 PM
Not really. I just took you at your word and the implications that came with it.

"money is ugly I will tell you that"

Now saying that there are unique problems that comes with having money is a separate issue. I just want to debunk the notion for many people that try to minimize the importance of money for fear of being materialistic. The fact is, we are flesh and blood, we have basic needs and when they are not met life becomes a very miserable experience.

All good I agree with you its ugly, but im happier with it than without it, being a partner in a family business where we don't speak to each other really underlines what it can do, but I agree with you I would take this type of animosity over going hungry any day and sometimes we need to view our problems in the correct perspective.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: jude2 on March 15, 2016, 08:58:12 PM
Shit, where does he go?

I bet he's happy.
I have a senior and sophmore in college. One in public university and the other in a private college. Shit cost some serious money.  Can't wait until they can support themselves.  I will really be living large then.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: cephissus on March 15, 2016, 09:34:29 PM
Tell me how many years of making that are required to retire. The thing is, people who make that kind of money are never satisfied, which is why they make that money. Ever see some granola eating hippy making six figures and up? And don't post the exception.

well, i'm getting awfully close to granola eating hippy-dom myself, these days :D

couldn't give a fuck if i got fired tomorrow, tho

which may happen, lol
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Coffeed on March 15, 2016, 10:57:25 PM
I agree, and as the average Getbigger I net about 58 thousand after taxes a month and, yet, it brings me no joy.

The real happiness comes from seeing my bench press increase by 5 pounds every week, indefinitely.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: pellius on March 16, 2016, 12:09:26 AM
All good I agree with you its ugly, but im happier with it than without it, being a partner in a family business where we don't speak to each other really underlines what it can do, but I agree with you I would take this type of animosity over going hungry any day and sometimes we need to view our problems in the correct perspective.

Um, actually I was quoting you. I don't think money is ugly.

Just remember, once you get your own plane, you can never imagine how you ever lived without it.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: pellius on March 16, 2016, 12:13:29 AM
I have a senior and sophmore in college. One in public university and the other in a private college. Shit cost some serious money.  Can't wait until they can support themselves.  I will really be living large then.

Well, you're a good parent. A lot of money and sacrifice.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: pellius on March 16, 2016, 12:19:26 AM
I agree, and as the average Getbigger I net about 58 thousand after taxes a month and, yet, it brings me no joy.

The real happiness comes from seeing my bench press increase by 5 pounds every week, indefinitely.

Seems that's how it is with any man with some fire left in their belly. They tuck in their shirt, tighten up the tie, plaster on the smile, excel at work, get the attaboys and back slaps when they really want to be clanging the iron, smashing into each other on the field, throwing hands in the ring....
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Coffeed on March 16, 2016, 01:41:51 AM
Lately I've been looking at these micro living arrangements. I couldn't do it, but it just feels like it would be freedom. I think it will catch on.

Consumption of unfulfilling things is obviously not the answer regardless of what the answer may be.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 16, 2016, 04:59:14 AM
:o

Irongrip coming off as a monster douche. Seriously though, I'm very humble in person, I just like being a douche on here. Like getting home gym advice and not thanking folks, or starting diet threads and not following up...


 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: da_vinci on March 16, 2016, 05:41:57 AM
....good post...I agree with everything but the being successful necessary to fuck young hot chicks. Physicality ranks supreme with women under 25 in my experience. Women don't go into find a beta provider mode until their late 20's in my experience but I'm in Los Angeles keep in mind....Some reasons why I dont fuck with chicks in their late 20's...

1. a chick is past her prime by 27-28.....she can still look good obviously but no way in hell she's gonna look as good at 23
2. She is  more entitled with higher standards than ever at this age because she  thinks all her failed relationships  life experience makes her an incredible catch and a man would be lucky to have her.  no the reality is bitch,  you  can't compete against that  young hot 22 year old you  used to be.
3. Women in this age range are a total dead end street for alpha males... which is why I dont waste my time.  when a chick starts approaching 30 she needs to find a way to justify to herself why she hasn't locked down an alpha, so in order to convince herself she's not a piece of worthless shit and a total gold digging whore ;D, she'll tell herself that her taste in men has changed and alpha males dont appeal to her.  ;D  She'll settle down with  the super intelligent guy with a good career....  Of course she will cheat on him wth an alpha eventually  because she was never really attracted...usually after she's milked him for every financial resource he has leaving him with nothing.  If your too old to date women in their early 20's without feeling creepy just fuck with chicks in their 30's that have kids and save yourself the headache,  at least you know she will like you for you. I'd have no problem dating a single mom if I was in my 30's, nothing to be ashamed of at all. Or go ahead and wife up that 27 year old she'll look bit hotter   for a year or two  ::)...


Pretty much agree. I'm 30, my upper age limit is 25, this is when genes are good and has a nice skin, etc... After that most of them loose the "glow" and the "dull" appearance makes me not wanna fuck them anymore, can't explain it, but perky tits and skin with a pinkish tone is where it's at. Luckily for men, plenty of young girls prefer older guys, sometimes much older.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 16, 2016, 05:50:40 AM
1. a chick is past her prime by 27-28.....she can still look good obviously but no way in hell she's gonna look as good at 23

 ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: YngiweRhoads on March 16, 2016, 06:47:16 AM
Tell that to Robin Williams and Kurt Cobain or the famous newsreporter who slammed his car into the wall a few weeks ago.

Listen, let me tell you the REAL deal, broskie. Here goes:

If you're only problem in life is financial burdens, then, yes, of course money is going to buy happiness. Furthermore, I agree that having more money may make someone more happy.

However, if you're riddled with a host of other problems, that money cannot fix, then, all of the money in the world will not make you a happy person. It may assuage some of the negative feelings, but you probably wont be as happy as you want to be.

Holding all extraneous variables constant, yes, money can buy happiness. But, in life, its often the extraneous variables that lead to sadness, and some of these things cannot be fixed with money. In the end, its really contextual. So, it really all comes down to many factors. I mean, Robin Williams was diagnosed with an incurable disease, then wound up killing himself. Money couldn't cure his disease.

Robin Williams' ex was taking all his money. He was fucked.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: HTexan on March 16, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
Robin Williams' ex was taking all his money. He was fucked.
Even if she took half, he would still have 25 million. Not bad for any 1 person.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: jude2 on March 16, 2016, 06:19:27 PM
Well, you're a good parent. A lot of money and sacrifice.
Thanks man.  That means a lot to me. I am counting down the years lol.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Azure on March 16, 2016, 07:34:36 PM
Im around pretty successful people and many don't work nearly as hard as people think they do on a consistent basis. Sure there are lots of 16 hour days but it's not every week. What I've found is that most people are unproductive and don't prepare properly. People are always asking me how I do things on time and under budget and it's because I prepare and plan it out. Most people I work with have no plans and don't prepare so they waste time

Also I know that you have to have multiple sources of income if you really want financial stability.

Stay away from women who see marriage as their financial plan. Talk to women about their financial goals and habits. Women who have their shit together won't mind telling you especially if she knows you've worked hard for what you got.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 17, 2016, 05:32:42 AM
::) ::) ::) ::)

If they don't take care of themselves this is true. They fall apart.

If they take care of themselves I think women can look better and better up until 40's. See ChickenTuna from bodybuilding.com.

Taking drugs, drinking a lot, eating shit, not exercising, a lot of that going on with generation nothingness and they can peak anywhere from 14-18. After 18 they can fall apart fast.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on March 17, 2016, 05:39:00 AM
During these sixteen hour days, how much actual high-quality work is being done. I've usually doubted anything is coming out good after the tenth hour.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 17, 2016, 05:47:24 AM
During these sixteen hour days, how much actual high-quality work is being done. I've usually doubted anything is coming out good after the tenth hour.

You may doubt it, but it's untrue.

In my industry, it's not uncommon for creatives, etc to log long hours, with the best work not manifesting often until late.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 17, 2016, 06:07:38 AM
During these sixteen hour days, how much actual high-quality work is being done. I've usually doubted anything is coming out good after the tenth hour.

I have a retail shop. I've done 8 hours in the shop and 8 hours delivering afterwoods to customers who can't make it in for whatever reason. Not saying every day. But I easily would do 12 hours doing that most days and doing orders and other shit inbetween or after.

Sitting in an office though i'd agree with you more.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: _aj_ on March 17, 2016, 06:46:01 AM
You may doubt it, but it's untrue.

In my industry, it's not uncommon for creatives, etc to log long hours, with the best work not manifesting often until late.

In software, productivity goes way down on death marches. For resource planning, I rarely budget for more than 4 legit productive hours out of a developer's day on average. And I am rarely disappointed.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on March 18, 2016, 03:52:29 AM
Well I'd guess that making sure the odds of survival are as good as possible - is "working" for anyone. Unless suicidal. There can be an in between (like your outlook), but who wouldn't increase their survival ods if given a chance, however you look. Happiness is a higly misunderstood concept, very skewed and many people are running in circles just because of that (many indulge in alco/narco, just because they can't seem to find that "nirvana", "permanent happiness", which simply does not exist). I dont ceased to care about how happy I am quite some time ago, because I know that feeling "happy" is a natural outcome when you have all your ducks in a row in life, pretty much it. I feel at ease most of the time, chill, not much worries, my survival is not threatened too much, thus I'm pretty "happy" (not depressed is good enough).

Happiness or not, you're the same guy who, judging by your posts here and elsewhere, is constantly seeking avoidance of inconvenience and his own enjoyment, pleasure, and satisfaction and in doing so constantly scoffs at other men who are "all dead by 50" and miserable. If happiness is not so important perhaps you shouldn't speak for all the supposedly miserable people on this earth, which seems by you, any middle class guy who chose to raise a family, work a J-O-B, and couldn't manage to have sex with a new eighteen to 25 year old woman every week, or didn't have the ability in the first place.

You and your philosophical shenanigans.
Title: Re: Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.
Post by: The_Punisher on March 19, 2016, 04:55:56 AM
fuck that.....keep the happiness and give me the money and let me worry about everything else... :) :)