Why do people work 16 hours a day and prioritize money over happiness.

[cephissus]

Irongrip telling us his salary for the 50th  time in this thread.

But it's true, couple hundred k a year is nice, but not rich.   A lot depends on geography and family situation.   A single guy making that can do pretty much what he wants, but with a family, you live well, but you're not going to retire.

You cant retire on 200k salary, with a family

Most depressing thing I've read in a while.  Pretty sure 99.9% of people in the world make less than that...

Or did you mean total income?

[Grape Ape]

You cant retire on 200k salary, with a family

Most depressing thing I've read in a while.  Pretty sure 99.9% of people in the world make less than that...

Or did you mean total income?

I'm saying making 200k a year for a couple years is not going to be enough to retire, especially with a family.

[pellius]

Wrong assumption on your behalf, I just identified some problems that I have encountered with having what some would perceive as a lifestyle over and above their own, I am at peace with myself that a lot of the friends I grew up with are no longer in touch with me, I don't really have time to worry about it, and being driven and successful isn't a crime,  I am at my happiest either working, training or enjoying the fruits of working hard holidaying with my family.

Not really. I just took you at your word and the implications that came with it.

"money is ugly I will tell you that"

Now saying that there are unique problems that comes with having money is a separate issue. I just want to debunk the notion for many people that try to minimize the importance of money for fear of being materialistic. The fact is, we are flesh and blood, we have basic needs and when they are not met life becomes a very miserable experience.

[Irongrip400]

You cant retire on 200k salary, with a family

Most depressing thing I've read in a while.  Pretty sure 99.9% of people in the world make less than that...

Or did you mean total income?

Tell me how many years of making that are required to retire. The thing is, people who make that kind of money are never satisfied, which is why they make that money. Ever see some granola eating hippy making six figures and up? And don't post the exception.

[pellius]

Tell me how many years of making that are required to retire. The thing is, people who make that kind of money are never satisfied, which is why they make that money. Ever see some granola eating hippy making six figures and up? And don't post the exception.

I don't remember where I read this but the upper limit for a single person was $50,000 a year before taxes. This was the amount determined that will maximize happiness from a money stand point. Meaning, after 50 grand additional money won't make you any happier. Of course, if you go from 50gs to a million plus a year you will happier, initially, but then things will settle back to normal. You keep buying things for that additional rush but again things settle back happiness wise as when you were at fifty grand.

This does not preclude addition happiness once you reach 50 grand/yr. It's just that additional happiness isn't going to come from money but from other aspects. Meeting the love of your life that actually lasts for life is the biggest happiness booster of all.

As a side note, going from a happy 50 grand/yr fella to a happy million/yr fella then back down to a 50 grand/yr fellas will be cause for great unhappiness.

It's the same principle that once you get a luxury it then becomes a necessity. I can't believe how long I went without a microwave, cell phone and an air conditioner. But once I got it there's no way I would want to go through life without it.

[jude2]

I don't remember where I read this but the upper limit for a single person was $50,000 a year before taxes. This was the amount determined that will maximize happiness from a money stand point. Meaning, after 50 grand additional money won't make you any happier. Of course, if you go from 50gs to a million plus a year you will happier, initially, but then things will settle back to normal. You keep buying things for that additional rush but again things settle back happiness wise as when you were at fifty grand.

This does not preclude addition happiness once you reach 50 grand/yr. It's just that additional happiness isn't going to come from money but from other aspects. Meeting the love of your life that actually lasts for life is the biggest happiness booster of all.

As a side note, going from a happy 50 grand/yr fella to a happy million/yr fella then back down to a 50 grand/yr fellas will be cause for great unhappiness.

It's the same principle that once you get a luxury it then becomes a necessity. I can't believe how long I went without a microwave, cell phone and an air conditioner. But once I got it there's no way I would want to go through life without it.

My kids tution cost 50k a year for their college.

[flinstones1]

I could repeat myself, but - I'm not searching for happiness. I find this "search for happiness" very flawed from a get go. No other animal is trying to search for happiness, only people, and they fail miserably. Because they doesn't realize that we are here not to be "happy" (today I feel kind of sad. Idk why tbh, but I don't mind it, it will pass, just like when I'm feeling very happy, it's a constant change), we are here to fight for survival, survive, procreate, to be alive so to speak. If we are succesfull at that (live comfortably/no stress, because stress equals a threat of death in it's essence) - we feel "good emotions", and if we are conctantly succeeding at it - we are "happy", there's really nothing else to that. I'm not trying to maximise my happiness, I'm trying to maximise my power, my survival, survival of my closest people. I like fucking hot and young girls, it doesn't usualy happen if one is not very valuable as a partner for survival (aside good genes). People overrationalize this shit way too much.

....good post...I agree with everything but the being successful necessary to fuck young hot chicks. Physicality ranks supreme with women under 25 in my experience. Women don't go into find a beta provider mode until their late 20's in my experience but I'm in Los Angeles keep in mind....Some reasons why I dont fuck with chicks in their late 20's...

1. a chick is past her prime by 27-28.....she can still look good obviously but no way in hell she's gonna look as good at 23
2. She is  more entitled with higher standards than ever at this age because she  thinks all her failed relationships  life experience makes her an incredible catch and a man would be lucky to have her.  no the reality is bitch,  you  can't compete against that  young hot 22 year old you  used to be.
3. Women in this age range are a total dead end street for alpha males... which is why I dont waste my time.  when a chick starts approaching 30 she needs to find a way to justify to herself why she hasn't locked down an alpha, so in order to convince herself she's not a piece of worthless shit and a total gold digging whore , she'll tell herself that her taste in men has changed and alpha males dont appeal to her.    She'll settle down with  the super intelligent guy with a good career....  Of course she will cheat on him wth an alpha eventually  because she was never really attracted...usually after she's milked him for every financial resource he has leaving him with nothing.  If your too old to date women in their early 20's without feeling creepy just fuck with chicks in their 30's that have kids and save yourself the headache,  at least you know she will like you for you. I'd have no problem dating a single mom if I was in my 30's, nothing to be ashamed of at all. Or go ahead and wife up that 27 year old she'll look bit hotter   for a year or two  ...

[pellius]

My kids tution cost 50k a year for their college.

Shit, where does he go?

I bet he's happy.

[honest]

Not really. I just took you at your word and the implications that came with it.

"money is ugly I will tell you that"

Now saying that there are unique problems that comes with having money is a separate issue. I just want to debunk the notion for many people that try to minimize the importance of money for fear of being materialistic. The fact is, we are flesh and blood, we have basic needs and when they are not met life becomes a very miserable experience.

All good I agree with you its ugly, but im happier with it than without it, being a partner in a family business where we don't speak to each other really underlines what it can do, but I agree with you I would take this type of animosity over going hungry any day and sometimes we need to view our problems in the correct perspective.

[jude2]

Shit, where does he go?

I bet he's happy.

I have a senior and sophmore in college. One in public university and the other in a private college. Shit cost some serious money.  Can't wait until they can support themselves.  I will really be living large then.

[cephissus]

Tell me how many years of making that are required to retire. The thing is, people who make that kind of money are never satisfied, which is why they make that money. Ever see some granola eating hippy making six figures and up? And don't post the exception.

well, i'm getting awfully close to granola eating hippy-dom myself, these days

couldn't give a fuck if i got fired tomorrow, tho

which may happen, lol

[Coffeed]

I agree, and as the average Getbigger I net about 58 thousand after taxes a month and, yet, it brings me no joy.

The real happiness comes from seeing my bench press increase by 5 pounds every week, indefinitely.

[pellius]

All good I agree with you its ugly, but im happier with it than without it, being a partner in a family business where we don't speak to each other really underlines what it can do, but I agree with you I would take this type of animosity over going hungry any day and sometimes we need to view our problems in the correct perspective.

Um, actually I was quoting you. I don't think money is ugly.

Just remember, once you get your own plane, you can never imagine how you ever lived without it.

[pellius]

I have a senior and sophmore in college. One in public university and the other in a private college. Shit cost some serious money.  Can't wait until they can support themselves.  I will really be living large then.

Well, you're a good parent. A lot of money and sacrifice.

[pellius]

I agree, and as the average Getbigger I net about 58 thousand after taxes a month and, yet, it brings me no joy.

The real happiness comes from seeing my bench press increase by 5 pounds every week, indefinitely.

Seems that's how it is with any man with some fire left in their belly. They tuck in their shirt, tighten up the tie, plaster on the smile, excel at work, get the attaboys and back slaps when they really want to be clanging the iron, smashing into each other on the field, throwing hands in the ring....

[Coffeed]

Lately I've been looking at these micro living arrangements. I couldn't do it, but it just feels like it would be freedom. I think it will catch on.

Consumption of unfulfilling things is obviously not the answer regardless of what the answer may be.

[Grape Ape]

Irongrip coming off as a monster douche. Seriously though, I'm very humble in person, I just like being a douche on here. Like getting home gym advice and not thanking folks, or starting diet threads and not following up...

 

[da_vinci]

....good post...I agree with everything but the being successful necessary to fuck young hot chicks. Physicality ranks supreme with women under 25 in my experience. Women don't go into find a beta provider mode until their late 20's in my experience but I'm in Los Angeles keep in mind....Some reasons why I dont fuck with chicks in their late 20's...

1. a chick is past her prime by 27-28.....she can still look good obviously but no way in hell she's gonna look as good at 23
2. She is  more entitled with higher standards than ever at this age because she  thinks all her failed relationships  life experience makes her an incredible catch and a man would be lucky to have her.  no the reality is bitch,  you  can't compete against that  young hot 22 year old you  used to be.
3. Women in this age range are a total dead end street for alpha males... which is why I dont waste my time.  when a chick starts approaching 30 she needs to find a way to justify to herself why she hasn't locked down an alpha, so in order to convince herself she's not a piece of worthless shit and a total gold digging whore , she'll tell herself that her taste in men has changed and alpha males dont appeal to her.    She'll settle down with  the super intelligent guy with a good career....  Of course she will cheat on him wth an alpha eventually  because she was never really attracted...usually after she's milked him for every financial resource he has leaving him with nothing.  If your too old to date women in their early 20's without feeling creepy just fuck with chicks in their 30's that have kids and save yourself the headache,  at least you know she will like you for you. I'd have no problem dating a single mom if I was in my 30's, nothing to be ashamed of at all. Or go ahead and wife up that 27 year old she'll look bit hotter   for a year or two  ...

Pretty much agree. I'm 30, my upper age limit is 25, this is when genes are good and has a nice skin, etc... After that most of them loose the "glow" and the "dull" appearance makes me not wanna fuck them anymore, can't explain it, but perky tits and skin with a pinkish tone is where it's at. Luckily for men, plenty of young girls prefer older guys, sometimes much older.

[Grape Ape]

1. a chick is past her prime by 27-28.....she can still look good obviously but no way in hell she's gonna look as good at 23

 

[YngiweRhoads]

Tell that to Robin Williams and Kurt Cobain or the famous newsreporter who slammed his car into the wall a few weeks ago.

Listen, let me tell you the REAL deal, broskie. Here goes:

If you're only problem in life is financial burdens, then, yes, of course money is going to buy happiness. Furthermore, I agree that having more money may make someone more happy.

However, if you're riddled with a host of other problems, that money cannot fix, then, all of the money in the world will not make you a happy person. It may assuage some of the negative feelings, but you probably wont be as happy as you want to be.

Holding all extraneous variables constant, yes, money can buy happiness. But, in life, its often the extraneous variables that lead to sadness, and some of these things cannot be fixed with money. In the end, its really contextual. So, it really all comes down to many factors. I mean, Robin Williams was diagnosed with an incurable disease, then wound up killing himself. Money couldn't cure his disease.

Robin Williams' ex was taking all his money. He was fucked.

[HTexan]

Robin Williams' ex was taking all his money. He was fucked.

Even if she took half, he would still have 25 million. Not bad for any 1 person.

[jude2]

Well, you're a good parent. A lot of money and sacrifice.

Thanks man.  That means a lot to me. I am counting down the years lol.

[Azure]

Im around pretty successful people and many don't work nearly as hard as people think they do on a consistent basis. Sure there are lots of 16 hour days but it's not every week. What I've found is that most people are unproductive and don't prepare properly. People are always asking me how I do things on time and under budget and it's because I prepare and plan it out. Most people I work with have no plans and don't prepare so they waste time

Also I know that you have to have multiple sources of income if you really want financial stability.

Stay away from women who see marriage as their financial plan. Talk to women about their financial goals and habits. Women who have their shit together won't mind telling you especially if she knows you've worked hard for what you got.

[Tha Grim Lifter]

If they don't take care of themselves this is true. They fall apart.

If they take care of themselves I think women can look better and better up until 40's. See ChickenTuna from bodybuilding.com.

Taking drugs, drinking a lot, eating shit, not exercising, a lot of that going on with generation nothingness and they can peak anywhere from 14-18. After 18 they can fall apart fast.

[BBSSchlemiel]

During these sixteen hour days, how much actual high-quality work is being done. I've usually doubted anything is coming out good after the tenth hour.