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I realised I've been listening to jacko so since I was 3, thriller for 32 years, bad for 27 years, still sounds awesome and fresh today, only albums that have never got old.Off the wall and dangerous were great too.Does anyone not like his music?Greatest singer and performer ever by far.Only elvis comes anywhere near.
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Phenomenal talent. Highly flawed individual.
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Phenomenal talent. Highly flawed individual.
As an individual sure he was fucked, but that all added to the mystique, apart from he small boys part.But talent wise, honestly has anyone ever come close?
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One of the greats, along with Elvis.
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As an individual sure he was fucked, but that all added to the mystique, apart from he small boys part.But talent wise, honestly has anyone ever come close?
In terms of complete talent, Id say no. I enjoy pretty much all of his music.
His father is the one that really screwed him up.
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In terms of complete talent, Id say no. I enjoy pretty much all of his music.
His father is the one that really screwed him up.
Yeah, Jacko was too meek and mild to be being beat by a belt at age 5 for not dancing right or whatever, some people get stronger, he just was one of the ones it would scar heavily.
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One of Best ever, what transformation from his younger years
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Kai Greene Posing to Michael Jackson "Dirty Diana" at 2007 IFBB Keystone Classic
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One of Best ever, what transformation from his younger years
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Jackson actually wrote the song muscles for Ross, srs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscles_(song)
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As an individual sure he was fucked, but that all added to the mystique, apart from he small boys part.But talent wise, honestly has anyone ever come close?
Yeah the pedo stuff really tainted his reputation.
I would agree that he is one of greatest musical performers of all time.
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Could you imagine a song of that calibre, with a video of that quality, with a singer with that voice, moves, charisma, being released today?Youtube would literally blow up.
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I realised I've been listening to jacko so since I was 3, thriller for 32 years, bad for 27 years, still sounds awesome and fresh today, only albums that have never got old.Off the wall and dangerous were great too.Does anyone not like his music?Greatest singer and performer ever by far.Only elvis comes anywhere near.
You should check out the Heavy Metal tribute album to Michael Jackson called: Thriller - A Metal Tribute To Michael Jackson.
Anyway, this is one of my favorite songs from him. It was off of the 1980 Jacksons Triumph album. Song was called "Can You Feel It?" (song starts at 1:07)
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Great performer without any doubt but his legacy is tainted by the fact he was a child molesting fag.
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Great performer without any doubt but his legacy is tainted by the fact he was a child molesting fag.
Where's the proof?
And before you say it, OJ was acquitted too.
INNOCENT was the verdict.
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I wore out my dangerous tape by listening to give in to me with slash on guitar. They collaborated greatly together.
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I agree... phenomenal talent, but mentally fucked. Thriller was his peak. He should've stopped the plastic surgeries at that point.
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Beside being actually talented musician, he was also very dedicated to his music. To the extend that fame/money/women was the last thing in his mind.. this is extremely rare!
Most musicians usually get taken over by fame/money/women and that's their pitfall..
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He was a horrible bastard behind the scenes!
Quality post CF!
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I never knew about the Jermaine Jackson/Michael Beef. Here's a funny story from Clive Davis's book "The Soundtrack of My Life" -
"I had signed Jermaine Jackson to Arista and, like L.A. and Babyface, he had also worked with Whitney Houston. We had some success with his three albums for the label, but as we were getting started on his fourth, I thought he might be an ideal fit for LaFace. As Michael Jackson’s older brother, Jermaine was now in his late thirties and, beginning with the Jackson 5, had been making records for more than two decades. I thought that working with L.A. and Babyface would give him a new sound, expose him to a younger audience, and bring him success on the scale that he so badly wanted. Jermaine loved the idea, and L.A. and Babyface, who had grown up with the family mystique of the Jacksons, were excited as well. It seemed like a well-made match.
As the three of them began working on Jermaine’s first album for LaFace, which would be titled You Said, Jermaine was startled to learn that his brother Michael had approached L.A. and Babyface and offered them very substantial amounts of money to work on songs for his new album, and surprisingly they had agreed to do it. Everything they wrote during this immediate, well-defined period of a couple of weeks would be for Michael to use. Jermaine couldn’t believe that Michael, his close brother, would hijack his producers’ material this way.
Consequently, he regarded Michael’s hiring L.A. and Babyface as a profound betrayal, and he was shaken to his core.
I had dinner with Jermaine in Paris around this time, and he was totally disconsolate throughout the entire meal. He was crying, indeed sobbing at times, so deeply hurt that his brother would do this to him. Unfortunately, that hurt turned to anger, and Jermaine recorded a song called “Word to the Badd” that was a bitter excoriation of Michael. It was leaked to radio and instantly created a sensation. In the song, Jermaine vilified Michael for lightening his skin; for being “a child,” not “a man”; and for “takin’ my pie,” a seeming reference to the situation with L.A. and Babyface.
“Word to the Badd” was set to go on You Said lp by Jermaine , and there wasn’t much I could do about that, even after Michael Jackson personally called me to complain.
It was in this spirit that Michael called me to pull “Word to the Badd” off Jermaine’s forthcoming album. He said, “I know you have respect for me, and I have respect for you. How could you let my brother do this? I don’t want you to release that record.”
I told him, “Look, Michael, Jermaine is an artist on a label in which I have an interest. I do have great respect for you, but this really is a problem between the two of you. You’ve got to deal with him directly.”
As uncomfortable as I was with what Jermaine had done, I felt it would be wrong for me to tell an artist to take a song off his album. This was a family and personal matter that they needed to resolve themselves.
Michael said that Jermaine was avoiding him and he couldn’t find him anywhere.
I told him, “He’s just gotten to your parents’ house. I spoke to him ten minutes ago.”
A few hours later, Jermaine called me. “You’ll never guess what happened,” he said. “I’m at my parents’ house, and Michael went around to the back, climbed up and went through a window, and came down the stairs and confronted me with the problem.
We really had it out.” Jermaine stuck to his guns and kept the song out there, but eventually he and Michael came to some sort of understanding. Jermaine softened the lyrics to the song and changed its focus." .
Pretty strong for its time, especially the changing color part -
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Phenomenal talent. Highly flawed individual.
As concise as you can get.
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Where's the proof?
And before you say it, OJ was acquitted too.
INNOCENT was the verdict.
He wasn't found innocent in the first case. And the proof is in his behaviour and actions.
Beside being actually talented musician, he was also very dedicated to his music. To the extend that fame/money/women was the last thing in his mind.. this is extremely rare!
Most musicians usually get taken over by fame/money/women and that's their pitfall..
He was obsessed with money and fame. Dude lived as Godly a life as you can imagine.
You are right in regards to women being the last thing on his mind, but that's purely because he wasn't attracted to them. He was more into adolescent boys, and you can bet that they were on his mind a lot.
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Beside being actually talented musician, he was also very dedicated to his music. To the extend that fame/money/women was the last thing in his mind.. this is extremely rare!
Most musicians usually get taken over by fame/money/women and that's their pitfall..
I agree.
But it's hard to have much on your mind when you're hooked up to a propofol drip.
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As concise as you can get.
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Ma Ma Se,
Ma Ma Sa,
Ma Ma Coo Sa!
Hee hee hee!
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Yeah, his savvy acquisition of the Beatles catalog shows he very much thought about money. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I think he even wanted to buy marvel comics at some point.
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One of Bucketheads greatest influences
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Yeah, his savvy acquisition of the Beatles catalog shows he very much thought about money. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I think he even wanted to buy marvel comics at some point.
That purchase forever killed his friendship with Paul McCartney. Thriller brought Jackson a huge pile of cash, and he was in search of something responsible (and lucrative) to do with it. He asked his good friend Paul where to invest his money. Paul advised him to do what Paul himself was doing: buy music rights. Paul specifically told Jackson that he himself was going to bid for the rights to the Beatles catalog as it would soon become available. Behind Paul's back, Jackson also bid for the same catalog--and won. Paul felt betrayed in the worst way. As an original Beatle, he felt "entitled" to own the catalog and put in a fair price, but Jackson topped his offer by millions. Even worse, Jackson had never thought to buy music rights and only did so on Paul's advice! For Jackson it was a simple business decision; the highest bider won the auction. The friendship was over. The two would never speak again. :'(
You will recall that they previously sang duets: The Girl is Mine, Say Say Say.
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Greatest entertainer of all time.
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What the fuck! He was a talented dancer/performer and a unique voice. Beyond that ...
Hell, he didn't write or play a damn thing.
As with most entertainers, he surrounded himself with A-class talent.
I mean, does anyone realize how much input the members of TOTO has on Thriller?!
Talented guy. But like Elvis (who also didn't write or play shit), and so many more, he was the result of a perfect storm of possibilities.
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What the fuck! He was a talented dancer/performer and a unique voice. Beyond that ...
Hell, he didn't write or play a damn thing.
As with most entertainers, he surrounded himself with A-class talent.
I mean, does anyone realize how much input the members of TOTO have on Thriller?!
Talented guy. But like Elvis (who also didn't write or play shit), and so many more, he was the result of a perfect storm of possibilities.
He wrote most of his big hits, sometimes with a few others, sometimes just 1 other, sometimes himself.Even though he couldn't play he would beatbox the rhythms, beat etc to the musicians who would make it in to what he was aiming for.I mean check out his beat boxing rendition of who is it, sounds just like the studio version.same with billie jean and the others.
Here he is during the writing of beat it, very clearly it's all from jacko, beat boxing, doing harmonies, vocals
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duck butter. :-X
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What the fuck! He was a talented dancer/performer and a unique voice. Beyond that ...
Hell, he didn't write or play a damn thing.
As with most entertainers, he surrounded himself with A-class talent.
I mean, does anyone realize how much input the members of TOTO have on Thriller?!
Talented guy. But like Elvis (who also didn't write or play shit), and so many more, he was the result of a perfect storm of possibilities.
Wrong. Jackson held writing credits (solo or cowrote) on many of his songs. And, yes, he would beatbox the main line on some tracks literally making his voice an instrument. He does this on songs like Tabloid Junkie, Hollywood Tonight, Xscape. Look at the numbers:
Off The Wall: 20 million copies
Thriller: 65 million copies
Bad: 45 million copies
Dangerous: 32 million copies
History: 33 million copies
Invisible: 10 million copies
Are you really going to sit behind your little keyboard and try to convince us that Jackson was just your average talented dancer/performer with a unique voice caught in a perfect storm? Stop making a fool of yourself. ::)
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He once touched my cock. True story.
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Really is amazing when you compare his talent to the "talent" of today. Usher has somewhat similar talent as far as being able to dance/sing at the same time but I hate his style of music. Like it was written, you can still listen to Jackson's music and it stands the test of time.
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Wrong. Jackson held writing credits (solo or cowrote) on many of his songs. And, yes, he would beatbox the main line on some tracks literally making his voice an instrument. He does this on songs like Tabloid Junkie, Hollywood Tonight, Xscape. Look at the numbers:
Off The Wall: 20 million copies
Thriller: 65 million copies
Bad: 45 million copies
Dangerous: 32 million copies
History: 33 million copies
Invisible: 10 million copies
Are you really going to sit behind your little keyboard and try to convince us that Jackson was just your average talented dancer/performer with a unique voice caught in a perfect storm? Stop making a fool of yourself. ::)
"Cowrote"
"Hey Mike, listen to this" (sings lyric)
"Yes, that sounds magical doesnt it Bubbles"
Thats cowrote.
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Phenomenal talent. Highly flawed individual.
No shit. Many creative geniuses are fuck up.
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That purchase forever killed his friendship with Paul McCartney ...
Behind Paul's back, Jackson also bid for the same catalog--and won. Paul felt betrayed in the worst way. As an original Beatle, he felt "entitled" to own the catalog and put in a fair price, but Jackson topped his offer by millions.
McCartney actually never bid for The Beatles' catalogue. When the deal was put together, the rights holders actually approached Paul years before Michael, but he declined because he thought it was overpriced. After Jackson purchase the catalog, McCartney approached Jackson to renegotiate royalties, but Jackson declined.
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McCartney actually never bid for The Beatles' catalogue. When the deal was put together, the rights holders actually approached Paul years before Michael, but he declined because he thought it was overpriced. After Jackson purchase the catalog, McCartney approached Jackson to renegotiate royalties, but Jackson declined.
Negotiations went on for months too, with Jackson pulling out as price was too high (above 50 millions dollars at the time) then when another buyer fell through they went back to Jackson and accepted a bid of 46 million.
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Really is amazing when you compare his talent to the "talent" of today. Usher has somewhat similar talent as far as being able to dance/sing at the same time but I hate his style of music. Like it was written, you can still listen to Jackson's music and it stands the test of time.
I think this is basically what it comes down to for most people. Not that he was untalented, but he was the right guy at the right time. He was the first "urban" musician incorporating white rock into his music in a video age. The video age was new and he really pushed it to its limits. His success was immense, but it was comparable to a few of the other big superstars of that time for the same reasons. Madonna reached a level of fame that was unprecedented because she was able to exploit the burgeoning video age and because she mixed white and black styles of music in a way that her audience considered fresh. Whitney Houston was the first female soul singer who was laying "black" vocals on top of "white" tracks and being marketed as a video darling. Not that these weren't talented people, but a big part of their style and their success comes from the zeitgeist they were a part of. Record sales were at their peak, celebrity culture was peaking, the video age was just born and a lot of people who would go on to be considered auteurs were cutting their teeth with work in the industry.
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Phenomenal talent. Highly flawed individual.
This
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I think this is basically what it comes down to for most people. Not that he was untalented, but he was the right guy at the right time. He was the first "urban" musician incorporating white rock into his music in a video age. The video age was new and he really pushed it to its limits. His success was immense, but it was comparable to a few of the other big superstars of that time for the same reasons. Madonna reached a level of fame that was unprecedented because she was able to exploit the burgeoning video age and because she mixed white and black styles of music in a way that her audience considered fresh. Whitney Houston was the first female soul singer who was laying "black" vocals on top of "white" tracks and being marketed as a video darling. Not that these weren't talented people, but a big part of their style and their success comes from the zeitgeist they were a part of. Record sales were at their peak, celebrity culture was peaking, the video age was just born and a lot of people who would go on to be considered auteurs were cutting their teeth with work in the industry.
Someone who understands the parameters required to achieve superstardom.
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Wrong. Jackson held writing credits (solo or cowrote) on many of his songs. And, yes, he would beatbox the main line on some tracks, literally making his voice an instrument. Are you really going to sit behind your little keyboard and try to convince us that Jackson was just your average talented dancer/performer with a unique voice caught in a perfect storm? Stop making a fool of yourself.
So few know just how little is required to earn a co-write tag. If you say, I think the line should be, Hold on, baby, and not, Stay calm, baby, that's a co-write.
Does anyone really think Bieber, Swift, etc. are the engines producing their material?
As with Mutt Lange/Shania Twain, etc., Mikey owes a lot to folks like Quincy Jones, etc.
Jackson was a talented guy with ideas. Like a great many. A catalyst within a scene/era who exploited all the angles.
Jackson was talented and a great entertainer, but to suggest he was on par, musically, with so many other monsters is to expose a hugely limited awareness of what's out there. Or of the art of music, specifically.
Bieber's worth a few hundred million dollars.
He's no more "talented" than the next thousand kids on YouTube clamouring for a piece of the pie.
Very, VERY rarely does the elite in music reach the superstardom heights of the likes of Britney Spears, Madonna, etc.
The general populace eats what's fed to them. They only float on the surface of an ocean thousands of miles in every direction and dozens of miles deep.
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I realised I've been listening to jacko so since I was 3, thriller for 32 years, bad for 27 years, still sounds awesome and fresh today, only albums that have never got old.Off the wall and dangerous were great too.Does anyone not like his music?Greatest singer and performer ever by far.Only elvis comes anywhere near.
jackson great talent strange dude, lots of other great rock stars, but it's like comparing apples and oranges.thin lizzy, hendrix, deep purple, paul rogers of free and bad co., led zep,kansa,doors,beach boys, journey, sprigstten, sabbath, acdc, judas p,elp, boc, bto, gtr and the list goes on ad infintum
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So few know just how little is required to earn a co-write tag. If you say, I think the line should be, Hold on, baby, and not, Stay calm, baby, that's a co-write.
Does anyone really think Bieber, Swift, etc. are the engines producing their material?
As with Mutt Lange/Shania Twain, etc., Mikey owes a lot to folks like Quincy Jones, etc.
Jackson was a talented guy with ideas. Like a great many. A catalyst within a scene/era who exploited all the angles.
Jackson was talented and a great entertainer, but to suggest he was on par, musically, with so many other monsters is to expose a hugely limited awareness of what's out there. Or of the art of music, specifically.
Bieber's worth a few hundred million dollars.
He's no more "talented" than the next thousand kids on YouTube clamouring for a piece of the pie.
Very, VERY rarely does the elite in music reach the superstardom heights of the likes of Britney Spears, Madonna, etc.
The general populace eats what's fed to them. They only float on the surface of an ocean thousands of miles in every direction and dozens of miles deep.
David Gilmore is well known to have taken all the credit despite not writing things. But it's simple: You want to write a song for Pink Floyd? We'll pay you, but don't expect credit.
So, with that in mind, figuring out who really deserves "credit" is as pointless as figuring what drugs are in the bodies of the Mr Olympia lineup.
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Ni66a sang about it dont matter if black or White
goes and dyes his whole skin white ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Michael's genius lives on in Cory Feldman.
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Michael's genius lives on in Cory Feldman.
And in Macaulay Culkin underpants as well.... :o
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The one occurrence that made Michael Jackson a world-wide star was Michael Francois posing to "Jam" at the 1993 NPC Nationals (starts at :38)