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Reading about diets of fhe 70's bbodybuilers, majority of them were pretty much doing a keto diet with a weekly carb up, fats coming from red meat, egg yolks, and cottage cheese. This diet got them in shape with little to no cardio, when did bodybuilders begin to steer away from this diet and venture into incorporating the lower fat, carb cycle type approach? Seems like the guys in the 70s had the right formula? I know i had success with a cutting keto diet for my second show, but now looking into doing more of this 70s type of diet as a maintainance diet any of you guys have success with this old school approach ?
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Make sure you take plenty of Amphetamines to curb your appetite
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Heavy cream (no homo) and "breathing squats" to expand the ribcage oh brother
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didn't read
how's the upper chest coming?
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Heavy cream (no homo) and "breathing squats" to expand the ribcage oh brother
Just add desiccated liver tabs and pullovers and you can rule.
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I'm currently on high carbs whilst cutting and am actually gaining strength. I rarely found that to be the case whilst doing low or no carbs. If you're clean/natural it should be about losing fat steadily whilst trying to maintain as much fullness as possible. I'd rather diet on slightly higher calories and carbs than cut weight stupidly fast and sacrifice tonnes of size.
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Just add desiccated liver tabs and pullovers and you can rule.
Don't forget the glandulars and fertilized eggs for optimal hormone levels.
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is this gonna be one of those pissing contests where people argue "high carbs vs Keto vs IF vs IIFYM"?
THEY ALL WORK!!!
Just pick one or even better cycle using different, proven nutritional methods, keep it clean, train appropriately and you're fine
there is no such thing as "The best method"...there is only such thing as "do(ing)"
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is this gonna be one of those pissing contests where people argue "high carbs vs Keto vs IF vs IIFYM"?
THEY ALL WORK!!!
Just pick one or even better cycle using different, proven nutritional methods, keep it clean, train appropriately and you're fine
there is no such thing as "The best method"...there is only such thing as "do(ing)"
This X10000
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Heavy cream (no homo) and "breathing squats" to expand the ribcage oh brother
didn't read
how's the upper chest coming?
small improvement, focusing on it, pretty much doing all upper chest movements with some dips thrown into the mix.
I'm currently on high carbs whilst cutting and am actually gaining strength. I rarely found that to be the case whilst doing low or no carbs. If you're clean/natural it should be about losing fat steadily whilst trying to maintain as much fullness as possible. I'd rather diet on slightly higher calories and carbs than cut weight stupidly fast and sacrifice tonnes of size.
the thing is that you have to up the fats drastically, in order to have sufficient energy, that was the case for my prep on it, but now offseason I'm able to experiment with a lot more calories and gauge the progress and how I feel energy wise.
is this gonna be one of those pissing contests where people argue "high carbs vs Keto vs IF vs IIFYM"?
THEY ALL WORK!!!
Just pick one or even better cycle using different, proven nutritional methods, keep it clean, train appropriately and you're fine
there is no such thing as "The best method"...there is only such thing as "do(ing)"
I'm not debating if one works better then the other, but which one is optimal, and which one you feel the best on. Having stable energy levels, with out any crashes, relying on caffeine for artificial energy, gut health, bloating...that's what I'm looking for.
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steroids and starvation… pretty simple.
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Well, arnold himself is quoted as eating pies after working out along with Franco and Nubret ate high protein/high carb/low fat the premise is up for debate to begin with.
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steroids and starvation… pretty simple.
haha
Well, arnold himself is quoted as eating pies after working out along with Franco and Nubret ate high protein/high carb/low fat the premise is up for debate to begin with.
they ate all out on sundays, mon-sat they ate : eggs, beef, cottage cheese, and shakes composed of heavy cream/whole eggs
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Make sure you take plenty of Amphetamines to curb your appetite
Very little has changed in that sense.
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is this gonna be one of those pissing contests where people argue "high carbs vs Keto vs IF vs IIFYM"?
THEY ALL WORK!!!
Just pick one or even better cycle using different, proven nutritional methods, keep it clean, train appropriately and you're fine
there is no such thing as "The best method"...there is only such thing as "do(ing)"
TRUTH x 1000!
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Reading about diets of fhe 70's bbodybuilers, majority of them were pretty much doing a keto diet with a weekly carb up, fats coming from red meat, egg yolks, and cottage cheese. This diet got them in shape with little to no cardio, when did bodybuilders begin to steer away from this diet and venture into incorporating the lower fat, carb cycle type approach? Seems like the guys in the 70s had the right formula? I know i had success with a cutting keto diet for my second show, but now looking into doing more of this 70s type of diet as a maintainance diet any of you guys have success with this old school approach ?
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YES....
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didn't arnie say he got leaner with the fish and rice diet?
never had much success with keto as it makes me too prone to binge. and that mental fog messed me up from posting on getbig at work
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hahathey ate all out on sundays, mon-sat they ate : eggs, beef, cottage cheese, and shakes composed of heavy cream/whole eggs
Oh, ok, I'll take your word for it....
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All ground round , eggs and dbol
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didn't arnie say he got leaner with the fish and rice diet?
never had much success with keto as it makes me too prone to binge. and that mental fog messed me up from posting on getbig at work
I was on keto for like a year. I will say this, the brain fog goes away about 3 weeks in (for me, at least). But I did real keto, not "bodybuilder keto." I was doing about 70/30 fats/protein. Energy levels were awesome, had no urge to binge, workouts were great, etc... Just like they would have been if I was eating carbs. I'm now doing a carb-centric diet (trying new things is always good), and what I noticed is I feel much worse with carbs... Energy levels crash about an hour after eating, WAY hungrier by the time I eat my next meal. Workouts are good though, my intra shake includes about 40g carbs.
Anyway, that's my experience with keto.
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I was on keto for like a year. I will say this, the brain fog goes away about 3 weeks in (for me, at least). But I did real keto, not "bodybuilder keto." I was doing about 70/30 fats/protein. Energy levels were awesome, had no urge to binge, workouts were great, etc... Just like they would have been if I was eating carbs. I'm now doing a carb-centric diet (trying new things is always good), and what I noticed is I feel much worse with carbs... Energy levels crash about an hour after eating, WAY hungrier by the time I eat my next meal. Workouts are good though, my intra shake includes about 40g carbs.
Anyway, that's my experience with keto.
a few questions
what would a typical day of eating look like
were the 40 grams of carb intra workout your only carbs
how many grams of protein per day (just curious because most Keto diets restrict protein t avoid gluconeogenesis)
the hardest part for me has always been eating so much fat which is essential otherwise your body would likely breakdown muscle to convert to glucose for energy (assuming protein was also relatively low)
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Intresting thread...
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a few questions
what would a typical day of eating look like
were the 40 grams of carb intra workout your only carbs
how many grams of protein per day (just curious because most Keto diets restrict protein t avoid gluconeogenesis)
the hardest part for me has always been eating so much fat which is essential otherwise your body would likely breakdown muscle to convert to glucose for energy (assuming protein was also relatively low)
No direct carbs on keto, I'm doing intra carbs now that I switched to a carb-based diet. The only "carbs" I got on keto came from broccoli, spinach, romaine lettuce, etc...
I calculated I need about 2500 calories to cut from where I started, and I just calculated protein to be about 185g (I actually started with 170g) and fats to be about 195g (actual number ended up being about 180g at the beginning). Then as I went along, I lowered calories every 2 weeks until I got to about 1900 (same macro ratios), then just kind of maintained at 2000 - 2100.
My food would consist of red meat, pork, salmon, mackerel, chicken thigh. For snacks I had macadamia nuts (got kind of addicted to those...), walnuts, brazil nuts, coconut oil, x-virgin olive oil, etc... Veggies all came from leafy greens. I weighed everything out for the first couple months, then I was able to eyeball stuff and rarely used my food scale. I actually did very well, mentally, on this diet. I guess I'm just one of those people who does well on fat-based diets.
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Reading about diets of fhe 70's bbodybuilers, majority of them were pretty much doing a keto diet with a weekly carb up, fats coming from red meat, egg yolks, and cottage cheese. This diet got them in shape with little to no cardio, when did bodybuilders begin to steer away from this diet and venture into incorporating the lower fat, carb cycle type approach? Seems like the guys in the 70s had the right formula? I know i had success with a cutting keto diet for my second show, but now looking into doing more of this 70s type of diet as a maintainance diet any of you guys have success with this old school approach ?
Good point. They knew back then and earlier that sugar got you fat. They knew to avoid excess simple sugars and carbs to help drop the excess water and fat. And yet, in the 1980's somehow the whole high carb low fat craze exploded. It's bizarre.
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Good point. They knew back then and earlier that sugar got you fat. They knew to avoid excess simple sugars and carbs to help drop the excess water and fat. And yet, in the 1980's somehow the whole high carb low fat craze exploded. It's bizarre.
probably had to do in some respect with the medical community pushing low fat, low cholesterol, Food Pyramid BS
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JNN dropping knowledge in this thread.
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No direct carbs on keto, I'm doing intra carbs now that I switched to a carb-based diet. The only "carbs" I got on keto came from broccoli, spinach, romaine lettuce, etc...
I calculated I need about 2500 calories to cut from where I started, and I just calculated protein to be about 185g (I actually started with 170g) and fats to be about 195g (actual number ended up being about 180g at the beginning). Then as I went along, I lowered calories every 2 weeks until I got to about 1900 (same macro ratios), then just kind of maintained at 2000 - 2100.
My food would consist of red meat, pork, salmon, mackerel, chicken thigh. For snacks I had macadamia nuts (got kind of addicted to those...), walnuts, brazil nuts, coconut oil, x-virgin olive oil, etc... Veggies all came from leafy greens. I weighed everything out for the first couple months, then I was able to eyeball stuff and rarely used my food scale. I actually did very well, mentally, on this diet. I guess I'm just one of those people who does well on fat-based diets.
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did you use any protein supplements or just all from food?
I agree with you a macadamia nuts. Totally addictive and high monounsaturated fat as well. I wish I could find macadamia nut butter. All I could ever find were blends with cashews or other nuts
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did you use any protein supplements or just all from food?
I agree with you a macadamia nuts. Totally addictive and high monounsaturated fat as well. I wish I could find macadamia nut butter. All I could ever find were blends with cashews or other nuts
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;Dsmall improvement, focusing on it, pretty much doing all upper chest movements with some dips thrown into the mix.the thing is that you have to up the fats drastically, in order to have sufficient energy, that was the case for my prep on it, but now offseason I'm able to experiment with a lot more calories and gauge the progress and how I feel energy wise.I'm not debating if one works better then the other, but which one is optimal, and which one you feel the best on. Having stable energy levels, with out any crashes, relying on caffeine for artificial energy, gut health, bloating...that's what I'm looking for.
My fats were always high, I never did just fish or anything like that. Lots of eggs, cheese, mayonnaise, chicken thighs etc. It gets you cut no doubt, but I feel your workouts suffer. Just my experience.
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one of zane's was posted here in a thread.
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my vitamix is dead or I would do that and also add coconut oil
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did you use any protein supplements or just all from food?
I agree with you a macadamia nuts. Totally addictive and high monounsaturated fat as well. I wish I could find macadamia nut butter. All I could ever find were blends with cashews or other nuts
Mac nut butter was very disappointing :( tasted very bland and almost like nothing... But the nuts themselves are like crunchy butter haha!
I get free supps from a supp company I work with, so I used a whey isolate with some fat source (usually almonds) whenever I had to eat if I was driving or preworkout. I say preworkout because I feel MUCH better having a liquid meal 30mins before I work out than a solid meal that just sits in my gut, especially when on keto and fats are consumed an hr before a workout. Stay away from cashews. I LOVE cashews, but they have a ton of carbs in them which are not fiber. Cashew butter was also very bland and not very tasty. Peanut butter, almond butter, almond/peanut coconut butter were the best ones (especially almond coconut butter - LOVED that shit).
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JNN dropping knowledge in this thread.
What was your diet Wes? You did get in shape. Not trolling serious question.
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JNN dropping knowledge in this thread.
I DID?!
I mean--yeah, right...I did!!
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I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.
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my vitamix is dead or I would do that and also add coconut oil
Just buy a new one. It's only like $500 or so. :)
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I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.
That's absolutely possible. I didn't "grow" per-se, but I did recomp very well. I went from a tubby 210lbs down to about 185 and very lean (never got bf measurement, but crisp abs, pec/delt/quad striations and such).
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That's absolutely possible. I didn't "grow" per-se, but I did recomp very well. I went from a tubby 210lbs down to about 185 and very lean (never got bf measurement, but crisp abs, pec/delt/quad striations and such).
Yeah man been doing it for years. Works quite well. Most guys who have never done it are shocked that not only there are losing fat but growing too.
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my vitamix is dead or I would do that and also add coconut oil
Is it outside the 7 year warranty?
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My fats were always high, I never did just fish or anything like that. Lots of eggs, cheese, mayonnaise, chicken thighs etc. It gets you cut no doubt, but I feel your workouts suffer. Just my experience.
The workouts don't suffer when you are on anabolics. That's why it worked for those guys in the 70's.
Arnold and lots of other guys at Gold's would routinely stuff themselves with a carb load day over the weekend... usually at the "House of Pies" bakery.
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Yeah man been doing it for years. Works quite well. Most guys who have never done it are shocked that not only there are losing fat but growing too.
do you put all your clean/nattie guys on zero carb as well? I'm a bit scared going off carbs because they are the main thing that give you the full look when clean/nattie. Do you do added fats like peanut butter or meats only?
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why do steroid and drug abusers still fret about diet? Until you get to that final 10 weeks it doesn't mean shit.
don't eat like a pig, do a lot of anabolics and you'll look like a bodybuilder.
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I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.
disgusted when you put guys on hat low of carbs , do they find it hard to do cardio? just curious.
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I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.
I normally diet on keto. I would love to be able to gain during a diet. It would make it more fun. I don't understand the concept though.
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squats when you go on low carb are you still able to do cardio ?
its been quite awhile since i did low carb but i didnt do cardio then.
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I guess I'm just one of those people who does well on fat-based diets.
Why did you stop, then?
Thanks for the info, btw.
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do you put all your clean/nattie guys on zero carb as well? I'm a bit scared going off carbs because they are the main thing that give you the full look when clean/nattie. Do you do added fats like peanut butter or meats only?
Yes I do. Sometines PB but mainly meat of various kinds and eggs. Sure you will get a temporary fullness from eating carbs and yes I do have my guys do a cheat day or meal once a week to restore glycogen and spike the metabo.
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disgusted when you put guys on hat low of carbs , do they find it hard to do cardio? just curious.
No one has ever complained at least not anymore than when they are doing cardio with carbs. Generally cardio is at a minimum as I'm not a big fan but when there is a short dead line then I do add it.
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interesting thread, I just started eating similar to this..basically, salmon, tuna, meat fish, poultry, eggs with vegtables, olive oil, grapeseed oil, coconut oil etc keeping carbs minimal.
I tell you one thing that helped was the new sugar free hazelnut coffeemate in my coffee lol.
I just had a can of salmon in a big bowl of field greens with some olive oil as dressing.
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interesting thread, I just started eating similar to this..basically, salmon, tuna, meat fish, poultry, eggs with vegtables, olive oil, grapeseed oil, coconut oil etc keeping carbs minimal.
I tell you one thing that helped was the new sugar free hazelnut coffeemate in my coffee lol.
I just had a can of salmon in a big bowl of field greens with some olive oil as dressing.
You should try Bullet proof coffee, you add grass fed butter, coconut oil, and if you want mct oil to your coffee. .you can blend it to make sort of like a latte..gives you added fat (energy)
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squats when you go on low carb are you still able to do cardio ?
its been quite awhile since i did low carb but i didnt do cardio then.
I do low intensity on an inclined treadmill.
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Is it outside the 7 year warranty?
Yep. I called them and they could send me the replacement part for the engine for ~ 100 or so
I just haven't bothered since I rarely make shakes anymore and my cheap blender works fine for that when I do.
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The workouts don't suffer when you are on anabolics. That's why it worked for those guys in the 70's.
Arnold and lots of other guys at Gold's would routinely stuff themselves with a carb load day over the weekend... usually at the "House of Pies" bakery.
We used to call it "pinocha pies" ;D
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Carbs are for kids and chicks.
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Why did you stop, then?
Thanks for the info, btw.
Because I like to experiment. I did keto for a year, now I wanna see how my body will change on a carb-based diet. If it goes to shit, I'll revert back to keto.
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You should try Bullet proof coffee, you add grass fed butter, coconut oil, and if you want mct oil to your coffee. .you can blend it to make sort of like a latte..gives you added fat (energy)
This is something I never understood... Putting butter into coffee. I've tried coconut oil in coffee and didn't like it either, even though I love coconut oil with other things. I like coffee black with some stevia. An odd time I'll add some unsw cashew milk or something. I'd save the fats for when I eat. I found that drinking calories always makes me go over my caloric intake and makes me hungrier, even if they're fat calories.
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Yes I do. Sometines PB but mainly meat of various kinds and eggs. Sure you will get a temporary fullness from eating carbs and yes I do have my guys do a cheat day or meal once a week to restore glycogen and spike the metabo.
My original plan was to not have any cheat meals/days at all. But about 6 weeks in I had an event I had to attend, and the food there was not very "keto friendly" and it was a whole day thing. So I ended up eating carbs that day. What I found interesting is I'd have carb hangovers the next day. Training went to shit, endurance dropped, just felt like crap. Could sleep all day no problem, just like if I went out drinking the night before. So the only "cheats" I did have were when I had somewhere to go where I couldn't stick to the diet. And man, did I pay for it the next day...
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My original plan was to not have any cheat meals/days at all. But about 6 weeks in I had an event I had to attend, and the food there was not very "keto friendly" and it was a whole day thing. So I ended up eating carbs that day. What I found interesting is I'd have carb hangovers the next day. Training went to shit, endurance dropped, just felt like crap. Could sleep all day no problem, just like if I went out drinking the night before. So the only "cheats" I did have were when I had somewhere to go where I couldn't stick to the diet. And man, did I pay for it the next day...
Did you monitor calories, eat to satiety when doing keto, reduce calories over time?
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Did you monitor calories, eat to satiety when doing keto, reduce calories over time?
See:
No direct carbs on keto, I'm doing intra carbs now that I switched to a carb-based diet. The only "carbs" I got on keto came from broccoli, spinach, romaine lettuce, etc...
I calculated I need about 2500 calories to cut from where I started, and I just calculated protein to be about 185g (I actually started with 170g) and fats to be about 195g (actual number ended up being about 180g at the beginning). Then as I went along, I lowered calories every 2 weeks until I got to about 1900 (same macro ratios), then just kind of maintained at 2000 - 2100.
My food would consist of red meat, pork, salmon, mackerel, chicken thigh. For snacks I had macadamia nuts (got kind of addicted to those...), walnuts, brazil nuts, coconut oil, x-virgin olive oil, etc... Veggies all came from leafy greens. I weighed everything out for the first couple months, then I was able to eyeball stuff and rarely used my food scale. I actually did very well, mentally, on this diet. I guess I'm just one of those people who does well on fat-based diets.
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Because I like to experiment. I did keto for a year, now I wanna see how my body will change on a carb-based diet. If it goes to shit, I'll revert back to keto.
It won't go to shit
I don't get HOW people who eat clean get "food-phobic" when they're eating clean
btw- I'm not implying that you are "food-phobic"....I will say though that a lot of people (who eat clean mind you) get weird about stuff like oatmeal, brown rice and sweet potatoes
wtf is wrong with people
EDIT: btw- keto is great and actually very feasible...it's not a choir that alot of people make it out to be BUT (and I'm no Chris Aceto or anything) nobody got fat eating CLEAN carbs if they were working out and their overall calorie intake was in check
I'm only point this out because I don't want young men to read this thread and start thinking "CARBS BAD"....NO--don't think that way...and also, don't go thinking that the only people who get shredded while eating carbs are only doing so because they shoot 200mgs of tren a day......STOP THINKING LIKE THAT
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It won't go to shit
I don't get HOW people who eat clean get "food-phobic" when they're eating clean
btw- I'm not implying that you are "food-phobic"....I will say though that a lot of people (who eat clean mind you) get weird about stuff like oatmeal, brown rice and sweet potatoes
wtf is wrong with people
EDIT: btw- keto is great and actually very feasible...it's not a choir that alot of people make it out to be BUT (and I'm no Chris Aceto or anything) nobody got fat eating CLEAN carbs if they were working out and their overall calorie intake was in check
I'm only point this out because I don't want young men to read this thread and start thinking "CARBS BAD"....NO--don't think that way...and also, don't go thinking that the only people who get shredded while eating carbs are only doing so because they shoot 200mgs of tren a day......STOP THINKING LIKE THAT
I'm sure I'll be able to cut with carbs just fine. No fear there. I'm just saying that I KNOW keto has worked in the past, and if anything, I can always go back to that and expect similar results as last time.
You're right about cutting with or without carbs, and its not like carbs are the devil haha. You just have to know what you're doing. Of course if you go over your caloric needs with fats OR with carbs you WILL accrue fat, no way around it. However, what I find is when I eat keto, I am way less hungry when in a caloric deficit. Right now I feel hungry between meals, but on keto I'd go 3 or 4 hours without even thinking about food. Maybe its an adjustment period, I'm not sure, but I'll keep going and see how things end up.
According to Shelby Starnes, everyone is either "carb sensitive" or "fat sensitive," as in some do better with carbs in their diet some do better with fats. And you just have to find out which one is best for you. Shelby, himself, said he does well on a low carb/high fat diet. He's done preps with high carbs/low fats and said he felt like death and was extremely unhealthy. But then he went on to say that a lot of his clients do better on a carb-based diet or a carb cycling diet just because their bodies seem to tolerate them better than fats. He's got an interesting point of view, and with the hundreds of clients he's worked with, its worth listening to someone like him talk nutrition and bio-variability between people.
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you're points are all well taken and also I didn't imply that you were food phobic
I think (actually, I know) that I've become a major advocate for what's known as "flexible dieting"
basically, as long as I'm eating clean (which includes the allotment of one (and sometimes in rare cases two) "free meal(s)" a week) then it doesn't matter what my methodology is
then again, I live a very active lifestyle and i'm also satisfied with being in that 10 percent Bodyfat range
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I'm in the JNN philosophy camp when it comes to diet.
I do want to try the paleo, keto thing (just to try it) etc...but I'm sure if it will help while I'm doing a strength routine like the Wendler one I'm doing now?
Do you just fight through the "adjustment" period and you're fine?
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Do you just fight through the "adjustment" period and you're fine?
first off- if you haven't downloaded the "MyFitnessPal" app then you DEFINITELY should....
the diary is awesome and just makes eating clean much more flexible/easier
second (and I don't know if you were asking me) in terms of adjusting, I would just start off my day eating keto or paleo and try and do the whole day in that mode...HOWEVER- if at night you absolutely need carbs then just eat a normal, clean meal with a cup of brown rice or something..
if you're listening to your body and eating clean and training hard then there is no bad that can be done
btw----coffee and nuts are your friend during paleo/keto
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you're points are all well taken and also I didn't imply that you were food phobic
I think (actually, I know) that I've become a major advocate for what's known as "flexible dieting"
basically, as long as I'm eating clean (aside from one "free meal" a week) then it doesn't matter what my methodology is
then again, I live a very active lifestyle and i'm also satisfied with being in that 10 percent Bodyfat range
That's exactly why Weight Watchers is the most successful diet in history. Eat whatever you want, maintain calories. It's also why "Flexible Dieting" could potentially destroy the billion dollar weight loss industry. As a society, if we weren't so instant result oriented we wouldn't need 90% of the shit that's out there.
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This is something I never understood... Putting butter into coffee. I've tried coconut oil in coffee and didn't like it either, even though I love coconut oil with other things. I like coffee black with some stevia. An odd time I'll add some unsw cashew milk or something. I'd save the fats for when I eat. I found that drinking calories always makes me go over my caloric intake and makes me hungrier, even if they're fat calories.
hey wanna be pro when you went real low carb did you lose water alot easier on the low carbs .
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This is something I never understood... Putting butter into coffee. I've tried coconut oil in coffee and didn't like it either, even though I love coconut oil with other things. I like coffee black with some stevia. An odd time I'll add some unsw cashew milk or something. I'd save the fats for when I eat. I found that drinking calories always makes me go over my caloric intake and makes me hungrier, even if they're fat calories.
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TRY 2 tablespoons whipping cream (heavy cream) in your coffee- VERY low-carb, and it just works!!!! Tastes like you used milk (which is too high-carb).
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lol ;D
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scott alexander does very low carb and he is lean as shit
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I'm pretty lean considering I'm an old man. Diet is is just no complex carbs after lunch. I don't count macros whatsoever. Lots of fruit and vegetables and moderate protein intake. Currently on an 8 week eca cycle which ends in a few days. I'm a caffeine addict anyways.
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I'm pretty lean considering I'm an old man. Diet is is just no complex carbs after lunch. I don't count macros whatsoever. Lots of fruit and vegetables and moderate protein intake. Currently on an 8 week eca cycle which ends in a few days. I'm a caffeine addict anyways.
how old r u? look sexy as fuck man. ive never had my abs look like that. Has eca done anything for you? didnt do much for me
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how old r u? look sexy as fuck man. ive never had my abs look like that. Has eca done anything for you? didnt do much for me
I turned 48 in Feb. I like caffeine so I added ephedrine for an extra boost. No aspirin. Seems to be effective. It's the only supp I think actually works in my case.
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I turned 48 in Feb. I like caffeine so I added ephedrine for an extra boost. No aspirin. Seems to be effective. It's the only supp I think actually works in my case.
Fook, you are about my age......could have guessed by username, I'm a fellow metalhead from 80s/90s....
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first off- if you haven't downloaded the "MyFitnessPal" app then you DEFINITELY should....
the diary is awesome and just makes eating clean much more flexible/easier
second (and I don't know if you were asking me) in terms of adjusting, I would just start off my day eating keto or paleo and try and do the whole day in that mode...HOWEVER- if at night you absolutely need carbs then just eat a normal, clean meal with a cup of brown rice or something..
if you're listening to your body and eating clean and training hard then there is no bad that can be done
btw----coffee and nuts are your friend during paleo/keto
Played with that app, but I'm realistic enough to know that I won't track my food. I just suck at that type of maintenance.
I've give your method a shot in a few weeks. Need to food shop appropriately. Paleo likely, not going full keto.
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I'm pretty lean considering I'm an old man. Diet is is just no complex carbs after lunch. I don't count macros whatsoever. Lots of fruit and vegetables and moderate protein intake. Currently on an 8 week eca cycle which ends in a few days. I'm a caffeine addict anyways.
Great work dude!
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You should try Bullet proof coffee, you add grass fed butter, coconut oil, and if you want mct oil to your coffee. .you can blend it to make sort of like a latte..gives you added fat (energy)
I will try it out thanks.
anyways 3 days basically protein, vegtables(mainly mixed greens) and added oils
I seem to be functioning ok on this so far, and if I get to the point where I needed a break I will get a small pizza with a can of regular coke, or a big bowl of fancy cheesy ravioli with some crusty bread. Ok I have to stop writing about those things lol.
But to be honest, it's having the sugar going down to nill that I notice, not a bad withdrawal but my body is reminding me of those first couple months after quitting alcohol and drugs, but in a mild way, its telling me I took something I was dependant on out of the equation, it's like a half withdrawal/half euphoric feeling.
Oh and I tend to get hungry only every 4-5 hours
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Great work dude!
Thanks. Still can't work out properly due to my bicep tear but I'm about 60-70% back to my pre-injury weights since my surgery in Oct. I'd lift more but I'm a little paranoid and want to give it more healing time.
Pic is pre/post sugery/current
Fook, you are about my age......could have guessed by username, I'm a fellow metalhead from 80s/90s....
Oh yeah. I like all the modern stuff too.
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I like this fat cycle approach, 3 days 70's style (red meat, eggs, cottage cheese) 3 days Palumbo style (moderate fat from nuts, oils) 1 carb day. Seems to be working well
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Does anyone do the low carb thing without coffee???
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hey wanna be pro when you went real low carb did you lose water alot easier on the low carbs .
At first, but then the body adjusts. Plus I ate a ton of salt haha. I'd salt the shit out of everything thinking it'll help me retain water for workouts and whatnot. I retain water naturally though, I'm a fatass at heart, so its easy for me to gain fat and retain water. Not sure if the two are related, but that seems to be the case with me.
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TRY 2 tablespoons whipping cream (heavy cream) in your coffee- VERY low-carb, and it just works!!!! Tastes like you used milk (which is too high-carb).
Nah I'm good. I'm no longer on keto, and even if I was I don't even like the taste of milk or cream. Especially cream... Never liked the taste of it.
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Does anyone do the low carb thing without coffee???
I usually don't have much or any coffee on weekends/holidays. I could go without coffee no problem on keto, problem is I love the taste of coffee too much haha.
I don't think coffee is diet specific, everyone who drinks it will drinking regardless of diet. And if someone doesn't like or drink caffeinated drinks, they won't on keto, unless its the first few weeks as their body adjusts and they may feel a bit sluggish. The benefit of keto is you don't have those ups and downs in energy. That's what attracted me to it in the first place. I found out later on that high fat diets are actually very muscle sparing, so that's another benefit I guess. I almost wanna just go back to eating keto now haha!
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. I actually did very well, mentally, on this diet. I guess I'm just one of those people who does well on fat-based diets.
Same.here. I dont see what the big deal is. Actually think all this brain fog , strength loss stuff is highly over exaggerated.
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Thanks. Still can't work out properly due to my bicep tear but I'm about 60-70% back to my pre-injury weights since my surgery in Oct. I'd lift more but I'm a little paranoid and want to give it more healing time.
Pic is pre/post sugery/current
Oh yeah. I like all the modern stuff too.
nice man,,good to hear your healing,,nice abs' no homo'i will be 48 soon as well..
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At first, but then the body adjusts. Plus I ate a ton of salt haha. I'd salt the shit out of everything thinking it'll help me retain water for workouts and whatnot. I retain water naturally though, I'm a fatass at heart, so its easy for me to gain fat and retain water. Not sure if the two are related, but that seems to be the case with me.
i am the same way , actually, im going to try low carb again, ive been doing a ton of cardio at higher carbs but not getting as lean as i would like to .
now that i remember i had no issues with energy when i did low carb once my body got used to it, strength actually went up as well.
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I just eat reasonably clean. It isn't difficult unless I'm near a rib joint.
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I'm pretty lean considering I'm an old man. Diet is is just no complex carbs after lunch. I don't count macros whatsoever. Lots of fruit and vegetables and moderate protein intake. Currently on an 8 week eca cycle which ends in a few days. I'm a caffeine addict anyways.
This.
I tried one of these new school coaches with all that complicated diet stuff and it was a complete waste of time. I keep it simple and basic and if I have to lean out for something, then I drop carbs except for the first meal of the day and we are good.
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thanks for all the info wannabepro
i want to try keto at least once in my life. just a lot of mental hurdles to get over -- atherosclerosis being the big one....
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Reading about diets of fhe 70's bbodybuilers, majority of them were pretty much doing a keto diet with a weekly carb up, fats coming from red meat, egg yolks, and cottage cheese. This diet got them in shape with little to no cardio, when did bodybuilders begin to steer away from this diet and venture into incorporating the lower fat, carb cycle type approach? Seems like the guys in the 70s had the right formula? I know i had success with a cutting keto diet for my second show, but now looking into doing more of this 70s type of diet as a maintainance diet any of you guys have success with this old school approach ?
You can't handle insulin eating carbs once a week.
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Does anyone do the low carb thing without coffee???
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For about 12 years after coming back from my Bosnia deployment, I could NOT stand the smell, taste, anything to do with coffee... something to do with the cordite smell in all the artillery/mortars exploding around us near Srebrenica. If I had just a sip, all I'd taste is a sharp SULFUR smell, I'm not kidding!!
Then, all of a sudden after 12 years it just disappeared!! Life is funny!
P.S. All that time, I did the Keto diet 6 days a week with one cheat day (still do) and when I couldn't have coffee, I LOVED Green Tea- the national drink of Japan!
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I'm pretty lean considering I'm an old man. Diet is is just no complex carbs after lunch. I don't count macros whatsoever. Lots of fruit and vegetables and moderate protein intake. Currently on an 8 week eca cycle which ends in a few days. I'm a caffeine addict anyways.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=610813.0;attach=679138)
Solid for a man of your age. Props dude.
The ephedrine definitely helps, but the insomnia and joint pain is a bitch.
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nice man,,good to hear your healing,,nice abs' no homo'i will be 48 soon as well..
Thanks man. 1968 was a good year.
This.
I tried one of these new school coaches with all that complicated diet stuff and it was a complete waste of time. I keep it simple and basic and if I have to lean out for something, then I drop carbs except for the first meal of the day and we are good.
Eating a healthy always works best imo. Keeps you young and full of energy.
Solid for a man of your age. Props dude.
The ephedrine definitely helps, but the insomnia and joint pain is a bitch.
Thanks. I had a few days where sleeping was tough, but that's probably due to personal shit going on and my brain running things over. Sleep went back to normal thankfully. I've never had joint pain thankfully.
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thanks for all the info wannabepro
i want to try keto at least once in my life. just a lot of mental hurdles to get over -- atherosclerosis being the big one....
No problem, bro. Ketosis does have a lot of health benefits, a surprising amount, actually. If you want more info look up some interviews with Dr. D'Agastino, he's a wealth of information on ketosis. He does research at Florida State (I believe) on ketosis specifically, mainly dealing with seizures and health improvements. I bought some beta-hydroxy buterate, just to try it out, he's the one who developed it to help people get into nutritional ketosis faster than fasting or cutting carbs until ketosis sets in.
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No problem, bro. Ketosis does have a lot of health benefits, a surprising amount, actually. If you want more info look up some interviews with Dr. D'Agastino, he's a wealth of information on ketosis. He does research at Florida State (I believe) on ketosis specifically, mainly dealing with seizures and health improvements. I bought some beta-hydroxy buterate, just to try it out, he's the one who developed it to help people get into nutritional ketosis faster than fasting or cutting carbs until ketosis sets in.
funny you should mention this, i just listened to a podcast with him and rhonda patrick the other day. going to re-listen soon, i think.
i also wanna finish lyle mcdonalds "the ketogenic diet". got about halfway through a while back -- very informative.
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funny you should mention this, i just listened to a podcast with him and rhonda patrick the other day. going to re-listen soon, i think.
i also wanna finish lyle mcdonalds "the ketogenic diet". got about halfway through a while back -- very informative.
I read his Ultimate Diet 2.0, very informative. Kind of a cyclical ketogenic diet, which is apparently more accurate than Dan Duchane's keto diet. I think that book was meant to be the improved version of Dan's diet ideas. But I always take these things with a grain of salt. I've read Kiefer's carb nite and carb backloading as well, and in theory it all sounds great. In practice, carb nite would work well as its just a cyclical keto diet with a refeed 1 night a week. However, he says in the book that calories don't count and you can basically eat as much as you like as long as its fat and protein. That's a fast track to getting fat, imo. In carb backloading he says to stuff your face with simple carbs at night and you won't put on fat. Again, all bullshit, unless you have a bird appetite and get full from a couple donuts or whatever it was he suggested in the ebook.
In the end its all about calorie balance, but I believe keto just makes it easier to be in a caloric deficit than on a carb-based diet.
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I think the key to the carb refeed, is to keep the majority of the cals carbs, like 80% and the rest protein, very little fat for the day, usually by the end of the day, you can't wait to get back on keto again for the week, atleast this is my experience.
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I think the key to the carb refeed, is to keep the majority of the cals carbs, like 80% and the rest protein, very little fat for the day, usually by the end of the day, you can't wait to get back on keto again for the week, atleast this is my experience.
100% agreed!
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What was your diet Wes? You did get in shape. Not trolling serious question.
I`m in shape right now dude............NABBA Nationals contest in November,plus I like to get lean in the summer.
If all goes as planned,I`ll be better than I ever was at 61 years of age this Nov.,...............training hard and eating clean right now!
Don`t call it a comeback !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111 :D
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well so far since last wednesday.
stuck to it until Saturday evening then reluctantly gave myself a 2 hour window to eat whatever I fancied
I had...
1-small cheese tortellini tray
(https://assets.shop.loblaws.ca/products/20298511/b1/en/front/20298511_front_a01.png)
2- 200gms grandma's potato salad from same deli
(http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/11/20111130-mlg-deli.jpg)
3- Peanut butter cliff bar(wanted a chocolate bar so I went with a glorified candy bar instead)
(https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxuqCTkfHMAhVm3IMKHfsQDPoQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.veganoo.net%2F2013%2F06%2Freview-clif-barsfudge-chocolatepeanut.html&bvm=bv.122676328,d.amc&psig=AFQjCNGnBteBNiVNtLqy2jpUo3vo3s2Hnw&ust=1464125041588258)
4- cheese panzerotti from pizza pizza with a real can of fucking coke
(http://www.metronews.ca/content/dam/thestar/2013/05/26/panzerotti.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/17/10/2A975A1200000578-3164107-image-m-39_1437124518040.jpg)
I enjoyed the meal
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And went back to eating low to no carb high fat right after.
Oh and I am down 6 lbs and my strength is still intact
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I will try it out thanks.
Be careful with the coconut oil. You can easily shit your pants - a full tablespoon of coconut oil and grass fed butter is delicious blended with coffee....but it can get you. Had no issues with the MCT oil version.
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well so far since last wednesday.
stuck to it until Saturday evening then reluctantly gave myself a 2 hour window to eat whatever I fancied
I had...
1-small cheese tortellini tray
(https://assets.shop.loblaws.ca/products/20298511/b1/en/front/20298511_front_a01.png)
2- 200gms grandma's potato salad from same deli
(http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/11/20111130-mlg-deli.jpg)
3- Peanut butter cliff bar(wanted a chocolate bar so I went with a glorified candy bar instead)
(https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxuqCTkfHMAhVm3IMKHfsQDPoQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.veganoo.net%2F2013%2F06%2Freview-clif-barsfudge-chocolatepeanut.html&bvm=bv.122676328,d.amc&psig=AFQjCNGnBteBNiVNtLqy2jpUo3vo3s2Hnw&ust=1464125041588258)
4- cheese panzerotti from pizza pizza with a real can of fucking coke
(http://www.metronews.ca/content/dam/thestar/2013/05/26/panzerotti.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/17/10/2A975A1200000578-3164107-image-m-39_1437124518040.jpg)
I enjoyed the meal
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-03/31/9/enhanced/webdr13/anigif_enhanced-13724-1427809961-9.gif)
And went back to eating low to no carb high fat right after.
Oh and I am down 6 lbs and my strength is still intact
dude on your refeed majority should be all carbs, you're eating fats carbs and protein...
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dude on your refeed majority should be all carbs, you're eating fats carbs and protein...
I didn't think of it as a refeed as much as I thought of it as a respite but you are right
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I didn't think of it as a refeed as much as I thought of it as a respite but you are right
I get his point but I don't think it matters that much
fat + carbs for 1 meal (gorge) with low protein is fine
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I'm pretty lean considering I'm an old man. Diet is is just no complex carbs after lunch. I don't count macros whatsoever. Lots of fruit and vegetables and moderate protein intake. Currently on an 8 week eca cycle which ends in a few days. I'm a caffeine addict anyways.
What's a typical day of meals like?
Love to learn from you as I am almost the same age and can't do this carb addiction thing that keeps getting worse for me
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Fish, Chicken, rice, eggs and water.
MAKE GETBIG GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I`m in shape right now dude............NABBA Nationals contest in November,plus I like to get lean in the summer.
If all goes as planned,I`ll be better than I ever was at 161 years of age this Nov.,...............training hard and eating clean right now!
Don`t call it a comeback !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We will call you the supernova MASTER-blaster....I am over 110 yrs younger !!