70's Bodybuilding Diet

[wes]

JNN dropping knowledge in this thread.

[Straw Man]

No direct carbs on keto, I'm doing intra carbs now that I switched to a carb-based diet. The only "carbs" I got on keto came from broccoli, spinach, romaine lettuce, etc...
I calculated I need about 2500 calories to cut from where I started, and I just calculated protein to be about 185g (I actually started with 170g) and fats to be about 195g (actual number ended up being about 180g at the beginning). Then as I went along, I lowered calories every 2 weeks until I got to about 1900 (same macro ratios), then just kind of maintained at 2000 - 2100.
My food would consist of red meat, pork, salmon, mackerel, chicken thigh. For snacks I had macadamia nuts (got kind of addicted to those...), walnuts, brazil nuts, coconut oil, x-virgin olive oil, etc... Veggies all came from leafy greens. I weighed everything out for the first couple months, then I was able to eyeball stuff and rarely used my food scale. I actually did very well, mentally, on this diet. I guess I'm just one of those people who does well on fat-based diets.

Thanks

did you use any protein supplements or just all from food?

I agree with you a macadamia nuts.  Totally addictive and high monounsaturated fat as well.  I wish I could find macadamia nut butter.  All I could ever find were blends with cashews or other nuts

[loco]

Thanks

did you use any protein supplements or just all from food?

I agree with you a macadamia nuts.  Totally addictive and high monounsaturated fat as well.  I wish I could find macadamia nut butter.  All I could ever find were blends with cashews or other nuts

You just need these:

   

[PJim]

;Dsmall improvement, focusing on it, pretty much doing all upper chest movements with some dips thrown into the mix.the thing is that you have to up the fats drastically, in order to have sufficient energy, that was the case for my prep on it, but now offseason I'm able to experiment with a lot more calories and gauge the progress and how I feel energy wise.I'm not debating if one works better then the other, but which one is optimal, and which one you feel the best on. Having stable energy levels, with out any crashes, relying on caffeine for artificial energy, gut health, bloating...that's what I'm looking for.

My fats were always high, I never did just fish or anything like that. Lots of eggs,  cheese, mayonnaise, chicken thighs etc. It gets you cut no doubt, but I feel your workouts suffer. Just my experience.

[njflex]

one of zane's was posted here in a thread.

[Straw Man]

You just need these:

   

my vitamix is dead or I would do that and also add coconut oil

[WannaBePro]

Thanks

did you use any protein supplements or just all from food?

I agree with you a macadamia nuts.  Totally addictive and high monounsaturated fat as well.  I wish I could find macadamia nut butter.  All I could ever find were blends with cashews or other nuts

Mac nut butter was very disappointing tasted very bland and almost like nothing... But the nuts themselves are like crunchy butter haha!
I get free supps from a supp company I work with, so I used a whey isolate with some fat source (usually almonds) whenever I had to eat if I was driving or preworkout. I say preworkout because I feel MUCH better having a liquid meal 30mins before I work out than a solid meal that just sits in my gut, especially when on keto and fats are consumed an hr before a workout. Stay away from cashews. I LOVE cashews, but they have a ton of carbs in them which are not fiber. Cashew butter was also very bland and not very tasty. Peanut butter, almond butter, almond/peanut coconut butter were the best ones (especially almond coconut butter - LOVED that shit).

[Donny]

JNN dropping knowledge in this thread.

What was your diet Wes? You did get in shape. Not trolling serious question.

[johnnynoname]

JNN dropping knowledge in this thread.

I DID?!


I mean--yeah, right...I did!!

[Disgusted]

I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.

[loco]

my vitamix is dead or I would do that and also add coconut oil

Just buy a new one.  It's only like $500 or so.   

[WannaBePro]

I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.

That's absolutely possible. I didn't "grow" per-se, but I did recomp very well. I went from a tubby 210lbs down to about 185 and very lean (never got bf measurement, but crisp abs, pec/delt/quad striations and such).

[Disgusted]

That's absolutely possible. I didn't "grow" per-se, but I did recomp very well. I went from a tubby 210lbs down to about 185 and very lean (never got bf measurement, but crisp abs, pec/delt/quad striations and such).

Yeah man been doing it for years. Works quite well. Most guys who have never done it are shocked that not only there are losing fat but growing too.

[Grape Ape]

my vitamix is dead or I would do that and also add coconut oil

Is it outside the 7 year warranty?

[Mr Anabolic]

My fats were always high, I never did just fish or anything like that. Lots of eggs,  cheese, mayonnaise, chicken thighs etc. It gets you cut no doubt, but I feel your workouts suffer. Just my experience.

The workouts don't suffer when you are on anabolics.  That's why it worked for those guys in the 70's.  

Arnold and lots of other guys at Gold's would routinely stuff themselves with a carb load day over the weekend... usually at the "House of Pies" bakery.

[a_pupil]

Yeah man been doing it for years. Works quite well. Most guys who have never done it are shocked that not only there are losing fat but growing too.

do you put all your clean/nattie guys on zero carb as well? I'm a bit scared going off carbs because they are the main thing that give you the full look when clean/nattie. Do you do added fats like peanut butter or meats only?

[Coffeed]

why do steroid and drug abusers still fret about diet? Until you get to that final 10 weeks it doesn't mean shit.

don't eat like a pig, do a lot of anabolics and you'll look like a bodybuilder.

[oldschoolfan]

I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.

disgusted when you put guys on hat low of carbs  ,  do they find it hard to do cardio?  just curious.

[SquatsRule]

I've put plenty of guys on zero carbs and had them grow into a show.

I normally diet on keto. I would love to be able to gain during a diet. It would make it more fun. I don't understand the concept though.

[oldschoolfan]

squats when you go on low carb are you still able to do cardio ?


its been quite awhile since i did low carb     but i didnt do cardio then.

[cephissus]

I guess I'm just one of those people who does well on fat-based diets.

Why did you stop, then?

Thanks for the info, btw.

[Disgusted]

do you put all your clean/nattie guys on zero carb as well? I'm a bit scared going off carbs because they are the main thing that give you the full look when clean/nattie. Do you do added fats like peanut butter or meats only?

Yes I do. Sometines PB but mainly meat of various kinds and eggs. Sure you will get a temporary fullness from eating carbs and yes I do have my guys do a cheat day or meal once a week to restore glycogen and spike the metabo.

[Disgusted]

disgusted when you put guys on hat low of carbs  ,  do they find it hard to do cardio?  just curious.

No one has ever complained at least not anymore than when they are doing cardio with carbs. Generally cardio is at a minimum as I'm not a big fan but when there is a short dead line then I do add it.

[NelsonMuntz]

interesting thread, I just started eating similar to this..basically, salmon, tuna, meat fish, poultry, eggs with vegtables, olive oil, grapeseed oil, coconut oil etc keeping carbs minimal.
I tell you one thing that helped was the new sugar free hazelnut coffeemate in my coffee lol.

I just had a can of salmon in a big bowl of field greens with some olive oil as dressing.

[Go 4 It]

interesting thread, I just started eating similar to this..basically, salmon, tuna, meat fish, poultry, eggs with vegtables, olive oil, grapeseed oil, coconut oil etc keeping carbs minimal.
I tell you one thing that helped was the new sugar free hazelnut coffeemate in my coffee lol.

I just had a can of salmon in a big bowl of field greens with some olive oil as dressing.

You should try Bullet proof coffee,  you add grass fed butter, coconut oil,  and if you want mct oil to your coffee. .you can blend it to make sort of like a latte..gives you added fat (energy)