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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Thong Maniac on May 20, 2016, 09:44:56 AM
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interesting ergo log story. last line is pretty harsh but true. who is this iron warrior the article is talking about. getbig detectives needed.
http://www.ergo-log.com/hearttransplant.html
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I stopped reading after his they claimed a normal cykle for a national level champ is 6weeks on twice a year and 250mg each 5day and a littlediuretics
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I stopped reading after his they claimed a normal cykle for a national level champ is 6weeks on twice a year and 250mg each 5day and a littlediuretics
interesting, so you stopped the sentence right before his friend said he lied and was taking more shit like igf. try to read again. its really not a hard read bro damn
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Let's not forget that needing a heart transplant is a VERY uncommon complication of BB/BB drug use/ BB drug abuse......it won't happen unles there is a genetic disposition......not saying juicing is a good thing, though.
Says Dr Dutch, MD, MSc
Holland, Europe
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pretty sure I know who it is
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pretty sure I know who it is
trolling, im feeding it likely. who is it then?
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you got me, but here's another article about him:
http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/the-case-of-the-big-hearted-bodybuilder/ (http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/the-case-of-the-big-hearted-bodybuilder/)
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pretty sure I know who it is
Yeah, very easy to figure it out.
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Holland, Europe
I didn't know you were Hollish.
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Another surgery for Coleman.
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Let's not forget that needing a heart transplant is a VERY uncommon complication of BB/BB drug use/ BB drug abuse......it won't happen unles there is a genetic disposition......not saying juicing is a good thing, though.
Says Dr Dutch, MD, MSc
Holland, Europe
What are you talking about, heart failure is not some kind of rare condition in pro bodybuilders. That's what Nasser died from and I'm sure he's not the only one
All the aas/gh, hypertension, & stimulants is a good way to wear your heart out prematurely
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still no name? im starting to think this is a made up story if getbiggers cant even name him
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Let's not forget that needing a heart transplant is a VERY uncommon complication of BB/BB drug use/ BB drug abuse......it won't happen unles there is a genetic disposition......not saying juicing is a good thing, though.
Says Dr Dutch, MD, MSc
Holland, Europe
What about dilated cardiomyopathy or gh causing asymmetrical septal growth?
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What about dilated cardiomyopathy or gh causing asymmetrical septal growth?
I suspect the "Dr" may be full of shit
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The psycho in question is now 50 years old?
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Let's not forget that needing a heart transplant is a VERY uncommon complication of BB/BB drug use/ BB drug abuse......it won't happen unles there is a genetic disposition......not saying juicing is a good thing, though.
Says Dr Dutch, MD, MSc
Holland, Europe
Told my cardiologist i used steroids in the past. Several compounds, alway around half a gram total a week. He couldn't care less. Just told me not to smoke ever.
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Most bb are more interested in hair transplant
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Told my cardiologist i used steroids in the past. Several compounds, alway around half a gram total a week. He couldn't care less. Just told me not to smoke ever.
Do you think the advice would be the same if he was informed of your current use?
Why a Cardiologist at your age?
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The article was clear about the notion that the heart should be given to someone who deserved it, not a hormone abuser.
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Told my cardiologist i used steroids in the past. Several compounds, alway around half a gram total a week. He couldn't care less. Just told me not to smoke ever.
yeah i dont even smoke the occasional cigar anymore. shit just looks so terrible for u
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Do you think the advice would be the same if he was informed of your current use?
Why a Cardiologist at your age?
I'm 39. I am seing long time friends who made the same mistakes i did, dying of heart attack or getting severelly crippled by them. I wanted a check-up.
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yeah i dont even smoke the occasional cigar anymore. shit just looks so terrible for u
I have never smoked in my life. Just the steroids in my early thirties.
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yeah i dont even smoke the occasional cigar anymore. shit just looks so terrible for u
A 15 year by the WHO study found no statistical difference between the mortality rates of cigar smokers (5 or less/day) and the general population. Any of the data you see on posters is drawn from a European study of people who smoke 'dry' cigars (think Schimmelpenninck) and inhale.
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I wonder if they changed some of the details about the bodybuilder.
They might be referring to Mike Mattarazzo?
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Mike Quinn is from Florida... they mentioned Florida.
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Bodybuilding champion undergoes heart transplant
Three years ago we would have gone to the trouble of finding out who the article was about, but now that we are old, overworked and exhausted, we'll leave that up to you the reader. We're talking about a white guy, a well-known American bodybuilder who made it to the top five in national championships. In 2007 the man was 41, and all things being equal you probably haven't heard much about him in the last few years. The chance that he'll make a return to the big time is small; at least that's our assessment.
Bodybuilding champion undergoes heart transplant
Researchers at the University of South Florida have written about him in the Journal of Cardiac Failure. In the article they report that the bodybuilder admitted himself to Tampa General Hospital in 2007. He had been sick for two weeks already, suffering from breathlessness, nausea and vomiting.
It wasn't the first time the bodybuilder had had medical problems. A year earlier he had been to a doctor, who noticed that his heart was enlarged and therefore having trouble pumping the blood around his body.
Until then the bodybuilder had used steroids. He told the doctors that he took two courses of steroids a year. Nothing crazy. Just the normal stuff, the kind of thing other national champions use. He would do a six week course, not longer, during which he injected 250 mg of testosterone every five days. He also took diuretics to improve his appearance in contests. But that was it. Honest. And after a doctor had told him that his heart was not working so well he hadn't touched anything else.
Really.
Someone who knew the bodybuilder well told the doctors a different story. The bodybuilder had used more, and not just steroids and diuretics. He'd even taken IGF-1.
The doctors couldn't find anything wrong with the bodybuilder, although his liver enzymes were on the high side. They discharged the man from hospital with a firm warning to stay off the steroids. The guy went home, picked up the pieces and started to train again.
Case closed.
Well, no. A few months later the bodybuilder went back to the doctors, in a worse state than the previous year. He was now breathless even when resting, and he was always tired. He hadn't trained for four months.
To cut a long story short, he'd become a heart patient. He was prescribed carvedilol, digoxin, spironolactone, torsemide, captopril and dobutamine. The left ventricle of his heart, which is usually enlarged in power athletes, had almost burst and looked like a lifeless bellows. It was no longer capable of pumping oxygenated blood around his body. The combination of steroids and training had deformed the bodybuilder's heart. According to the doctors it was "extremely enlarged".
The doctors pumped the bodybuilder full of diuretics in an attempt to reduce the amount of moisture in his circulatory system. They hoped that that would relieve his heart and help him recover. And it looked like they were successful. They were satisfied enough that they fitted a pacemaker and sent the bodybuilder home.
Case closed.
Ermmm... No. A few days later the bodybuilder admitted himself to hospital again. He put on weight because he was suffering from oedema: his body was retaining fluid and his heart was not functioning. Because the bodybuilder would have died otherwise, the doctors gave him the heart from a healthy person who had just passed away. Somewhere else in a hospital, was a child, mother or father, someone old or young, who could have lived for many years with that heart.
Case closed.
Source:
Journal of Cardiac Failure doi:10.1016/j.cardfail.2008.12.014.
http://www.ergo-log.com/hearttransplant.html
For anyone who can't access the ergo-log site.
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I definitely think that some of the details have been slightly altered to help keep the patient's identity protected
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Shizzo for sure
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I didn't know you were Hollish.
Land of the Holy Grail..... 8)
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What are you talking about, heart failure is not some kind of rare condition in pro bodybuilders. That's what Nasser died from and I'm sure he's not the only one
All the aas/gh, hypertension, & stimulants is a good way to wear your heart out prematurely
What you say is not contradictory to what I stated....
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Let's not forget that needing a heart transplant is a VERY uncommon complication of BB/BB drug use/ BB drug abuse......it won't happen unles there is a genetic disposition......not saying juicing is a good thing, though.
Says Dr Dutch, MD, MSc
Holland, Europe
BS...from an American M.D. Anabolic steroids and GH can cause excessive HTN and the growth hormone can cause growth of internal organs. You can get hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, hypertension related cardiomyopathy, early atherosclerotic disease, hypercoagulable state predisposing to blood clots (steroid induce polycythemia...look it up). This can lead to DVT's and pulmonary embolisms. Not to mention that anabolic steroid abuse, GH, along with the numerous pro-sympathetic agents like beta agonists / ephedrine / cocaine / speed etc that BB's abuse will definitely predispose them to heart failure and cardiomyopathy. Most of them probably die before they get to florid heart failure requiring a transplant.
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BS...from an American M.D. Anabolic steroids and GH can cause excessive HTN and the growth hormone can cause growth of internal organs. You can get hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, hypertension related cardiomyopathy, early atherosclerotic disease, hypercoagulable state predisposing to blood clots (steroid induce polycythemia...look it up). This can lead to DVT's and pulmonary embolisms. Not to mention that anabolic steroid abuse, GH, along with the numerous pro-sympathetic agents like beta agonists / ephedrine / cocaine / speed etc that BB's abuse will definitely predispose them to heart failure and cardiomyopathy. Most of them probably die before they get to florid heart failure requiring a transplant.
What Mr O top 5'ers from the last 15 years died from these causes ?
As I said, very uncommon. Not zero. Never said that.....