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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Danimal77 on June 03, 2016, 08:03:11 AM
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Personally, I prefer Mike. He seemed more streamlined. Ray always looked soft, like he carried too much water. Mike at 5'8" (1" shorter than Ray) and 225 pounds, with his 18 5/8" biceps was a better bodybuilder than his heavier brother. Thoughts?
Pics only of Mike
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Mike
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mike was always a little better than his younger sibling.
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Uncrowned Mr. O, Mike Mentzer.
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Mike
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Not even close. Mike.
Bah!
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Uncrowned Mr. O, Mike Mentzer.
Personally, I think he was better in the late 70's than he was in 1980. His chest was way to flat in 1980. He just seemed depleted that year. He was much fuller when he competed against Robby Robinson as can be seen below.
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Mike.
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robbie was like a piece of black marble'no racist'
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Ray's physique was less "Distinctive" and had a more classic look for lack of a better term.
Ray got sick supposedly bulking up to 300lbs or something in the '80s so I wonder what he had planned if his kidneys hadn't given out and Rachel driven him mad...
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Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW
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Wonder what these two fellas are up to these days.
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Anyone know the dosages and what Mentzer ran?
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Sickest shaped arms on Mike. His triceps and forearms are among the best ever.
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I'll go with Ray Mercer... Legend...
Was in some classic brawls when Boxing was still legit...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6Vt6AzOkwEw/hqdefault.jpg)
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Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW
Huge triceps.
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Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW
If Mike is 18/19 in that photo then Ray was 16/17
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Anyone know the dosages and what Mentzer ran?
Mentzer:"I took 400mg of Deca Durabolin every 10-14 days,....and no more than five Dianabol a day."
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Mentzer:"I took 400mg of Deca Durabolin every 10-14 days,....and no more than five Dianabol a day."
That's not what he told me, but it IS true that Mike loved Deca. That much is true :)
As for the rest, I know he wasn't crazy about test because of the water retention, but he still felt it necessary to build size in the offseason. He said he cycled on and off, but "off" meant a maintenance dose of ... something. I can't remember what.
However, in spite of his later-in-life penchant for vodka, getting lazy, somewhat fat and smoking filterless Camels, Mike was supposed to be much more conscientious about mega-dosaging drugs in his competitive days. He freely admitted that he shot the shit out of Deca and "used plenty of pills," but due to a family condition, he swore up and down that he was ever-cognizant of stressing his liver. (As he also told me, the Vodka Gimlets were mostly a way of drying out. Kevin Levrone approved, that :D .)
As to the topic, Ray never realized his potential. Neither did Mike, for that matter, but it wasn't as if the latter was going to suddenly show up shredded AND with crazy pec thickness. He knew he'd played his cards, and whatever bit of progress he had in him would never be enough to sway TPTB (witness Chris Dickerson winning an Olympia in '82, to say nothing of a legless, bitch-titted Franco "winning" in '81).
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Mike simply got fed up of the bullshit that happened in the 1980's Olympia and Arnold winning it, He simply didn't give a shit about competitive bodybuilding after that fiasco. Nonetheless, both Mentzers deserve a lot of credit for their Heavy Duty training, which Dorian picked up after, and We all know the outcome of that story...
RIP Mighty Mentzer Brothers!
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Uncrowned Mr. O, Mike Mentzer.
you got that right wiggs
fucking shame he retired so young and early was respected by his peers to , you dont see any guys from his era talk shit about him
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mike was well liked by joe weider as well
weider was paying him 150k a year to be an editor for muscle and fitness this was in the early 80's that was big money for a bodybuilder then
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Sickest shaped arms on Mike. His triceps and forearms are among the best ever.
From all the pics presented, and that I have seen, they look pretty average. And their conditioning was not the best, either.
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Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW
It's crazy how much difference a mustache makes them look. I didn't recognize either of them.
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mentzer tricep shot
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It's crazy how much difference a mustache makes them look. I didn't recognize either of them.
They are also unrecognizable in a video of them being interviewed a mere day or 2 before their deaths. Their voices, look and minds were drastically altered.
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They are also unrecognizable in a video of them being interviewed a mere day or 2 before their deaths. Their voices, look and minds were drastically altered.
hey dan i was quite shocked and see mike like that , as a young person i really enjoyed his writings.
a guy i knew at my gym did a phone consultation with mike said it was great, he said mike talked to him for over 3 hrs even though
he only paid for a half hr. he did get pretty cut and big fallowing mikes advice.
supposibly mike got in to good shape in 1993 but after that let himself go .
i still to this day feel he was the most talented writer out of any bodybuilder,
i remember when that piece of shit bob chic was talking shit about mike on here,
mike was a much better bodybuilder and writer than that overated piece of shit ever was, bob couldnt even win a pro show or crack the top 10 at an
olympia
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From all the pics presented, and that I have seen, they look pretty average. And their conditioning was not the best, either.
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hey dan i was quite shocked and see mike like that , as a young person i really enjoyed his writings.
a guy i knew at my gym did a phone consultation with mike said it was great, he said mike talked to him for over 3 hrs even though
he only paid for a half hr. he did get pretty cut and big fallowing mikes advice.
supposibly mike got in to good shape in 1993 but after that let himself go .
i still to this day feel he was the most talented writer out of any bodybuilder,
i remember when that piece of shit bob chic was talking shit about mike on here,
mike was a much better bodybuilder and writer than that overated piece of shit ever was, bob couldnt even win a pro show or crack the top 10 at an
olympia
Mike had his issues but was a good person, Samir still sings his praises in terms of character.Bob has zero decorum.
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Didn't know Ray, but Mike was a good guy. Guess he fell out of favor because he went up against the All Mighty.
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Yep average. For all his "legend", physique wise he couldn't match up to the Big Three--Arnold, Sergio, And Serge Nubret.
And look at that shot of Mike with Robby. Robby was in better condition. And Zane was better as well.
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Yep average. For all his "legend", physique wise he couldn't match up to the Big Three--Arnold, Sergio, And Serge Nubret.
And look at that shot of Mike with Robby. Robby was in better condition. And Zane was better as well.
his tris were fucking OUTSTANDING, better than all 3 of those fellas you mentioned
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his tris were fucking OUTSTANDING, better than all 3 of those fellas you mentioned
If you say so. I give you Arnold, possibly. But over phyisque and conditioning, he was wanting.
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Mike
Seeing this picture, I can't help but wonder about Mike's chest. On some pics it looks insane, on others it is deflated.
Imo it's what cost him a higher placing in the 1980 Olympia, you just couldn't stand next to Arnold's chesticles looking like that.
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Seeing this picture, I can't help but wonder about Mike's chest. On some pics it looks insane, on others it is deflated.
Imo it's what cost him a higher placing on the 1980 Olympia, you just couldn't stand next to Arnold's chesticles looking like that.
Are trying to say that this is the first case of someone suffering from Pectoral Depression?
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Are trying to say that this is the first case of someone suffering from Pectoral Depression?
I actually know someone with this problem, he looks like someone punched his ribcage in.
I think in Mike's case it's because he dieted like a retard, his Heavy Duty nutrition book has terrible advice.
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Mike had the most perfect physique than any other bodybuilder in the history of bodybuilding.Simply incredible,I wonder if it can ever be done again.A Ron backer is the only other that came close.please don't mention flex,while he was great it was far from perfect.
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Mike had unique look to him... his 'stache alone weighed well over 5 pounds.
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Seeing this picture, I can't help but wonder about Mike's chest. On some pics it looks insane, on others it is deflated.
Imo it's what cost him a higher placing in the 1980 Olympia, you just couldn't stand next to Arnold's chesticles looking like that.
As I previously mentioned, Mike was overall depleted at the 1980 Mr. O. He was FAR MORE impressive in the late 70's when up against guys like Zane and Robinson.
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Yep average. For all his "legend", physique wise he couldn't match up to the Big Three--Arnold, Sergio, And Serge Nubret.
And look at that shot of Mike with Robby. Robby was in better condition. And Zane was better as well.
Sorry, but he had far from "average" arms
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Sorry, but he had far from "average" arms
He had average arms. And look at that tricep shot. No real separation. Like looking at a Sergio pic, and we know how Sergio wasn't known for conditioning. Average arms, average build. Both Mike and Ray. The only thing that made Mike famous was his system and his meltdown that was induced by Arnold. And that is what I believe colors your perception. Take that away, and he is just an average decent physique for the time.
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Frank Zane is a "swimmer" and Mentzer is "average"...
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Frank Zane is a "swimmer" and Mentzer is "average"...
Did you know you can win the heavyweight class of the Olympia with average arms and get a perfect score in the Universe too?
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He had average arms. And look at that tricep shot. No real separation. Like looking at a Sergio pic, and we know how Sergio wasn't known for conditioning. Average arms, average build. Both Mike and Ray. The only thing that made Mike famous was his system and his meltdown that was induced by Arnold. And that is what I believe colors your perception. Take that away, and he is just an average decent physique for the time.
Most of the world thinks the cadaver look so popular today is disgusting. Mentzer had enough definition. Same with Zane, Arnold and others.
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Most of the world thinks the cadaver look so popular today is disgusting. Mentzer had enough definition. Same with Zane, Arnold and others.
Agree... and i do not understand the negative posts on getbig about Zane. He went for an Apollon look and it won him Mr O.. He was not like most Bodybuilders but went for "his" own look and ideas what perfection is. I think Mike & Ray were the same but went in another direction regarding training and their ideal physique. Bodybuilders come and go but these guys are etched in the History of Bodybuilding.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-legend-of-zane-an-interview.html
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Both Mentzers were overrated.
Mike found a nice niche with his Heavy Duty training regimen and it got him the magazine coverage he needed to place well in his contests. Once he started challenging the "Weider Principles" he paid for it with his contest placings
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Most of the world thinks the cadaver look so popular today is disgusting. Mentzer had enough definition. Same with Zane, Arnold and others.
Mentzer didn't have the condition of Zane, Robby, Arnold, Serge. He had that gym rat conditon look him. Abs were somewhat defined, but looked blurry. No real intercostal-serratus definition. Look at that Robby v Mentzer pic.
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Mentzer didn't have the condition of Zane, Robby, Arnold, Serge. He had that gym rat conditon look him. Abs were somewhat defined, but looked blurry. No real intercostal-serratus definition. Look at that Robby v Mentzer pic.
Don't move the goal posts now, your post was about Mentzer's arms, specifically his triceps :)
I'd say they look pretty lean in the pics PJim posted. Arnold could only dream of such tris.
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Mentzer didn't have the condition of Zane, Robby, Arnold, Serge. He had that gym rat conditon look him. Abs were somewhat defined, but looked blurry. No real intercostal-serratus definition. Look at that Robby v Mentzer pic.
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Stand corrected, Arnold still owns him on abs---intercostals/serratus.
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Mentzer:"I took 400mg of Deca Durabolin every 10-14 days,....and no more than five Dianabol a day."
Try 2500mgs weekly and 100mg daily of orals.
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Try 2500mgs weekly and 100mg daily of orals.
christ, 2500 mg of deca only or 2500 mg of all injects combined?
deca's top end is 600 mg right? nearly everything i read on it basically says this
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christ, 2500 mg of deca only or 2500 mg of all injects combined?
deca's top end is 600 mg right? nearly everything i read on it basically says this
That's a small dose in reality to big timers.
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Try 2500mgs weekly and 100mg daily of orals.
Yep, much closer to this. They used tons of what they had/could back then.
From Casey Viator,
“Mentzer used up to 2.5 grams of deca a week, God knows how much primobolin acetate, along with d-bol and growth, so as I said don’t be fooled about our low doses as we were just as reckless as theses guys are today.“
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Great thread! I think Mike clearly had the better physique and it's represented by their placing/contest history. Interestingly I know I've read that when Mike, Ray and Casey Viator trained together that Casey and Ray were both massively stronger on every single exercise. Might of been an Ellington Darden book or article, but I remember Mike always appearing stronger than Hercules and how crazy it must have been to see his brother Ray (or Casey) load and extra plate or two on the bar after Mike was done for their set...
I always considered Mike's physique ideal, and nearly flawless. Guys like Yates and then Coleman were comic book like super hero's, while Mike looked "real." As a young boy, you could aspire or dream of looking close to Mike Mentzer (obviously a childhood fantasy when you learn about genetics and how much goes into building a champion physique) but I never heard any kids in my school say "boy I wish I looked like Ronnie Coleman." I also agree with the one post that noted Mike had almost perfect balance between being in shape and ripped without being a death-like, sucked in, walking corpse (Andreas Munzer). And Mike's arms, especially his forearms, were perfection to me.
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Also meant to mention as others noted, how great of a writer he was. I can't even read the garbage Bob Chick or Peter whoever writes. It's boring, lame, and never inspired me in the least. Reading a column or book by Mike Mentzer always was motivating, and thought provoking. Later when in college when I learned about the scientific methodology and the details of theories and hypotheses, Mentzer's writings seemed more important than I had ever considered. Once you learn and understand the scientific method and terms like validity and reliability, Mike's writings stood out as being far superior and science based than any of the pure garbage Arnold had always published. I also found Mike's statement regarding the "science of bodybuilding" having to exist, and even if he was incorrect in his theory, it didn't invalidate that there was a scientifically provable method of best building muscle.
Not that I have anywhere near the knowledge to make a definitive statement, but it's my opinion that Mike would have benefited from better knowledge of drugs and nutrition. Those were the 2 subjects when he wrote about that were almost dismissive. I remember him mentioning steroids being important and that he remembers taking "boat loads" but didn't seem to think any exact combination or amount was responsible for obtaining an ideal build. And his nutrition writings were very simplistic, he used a calorie consumption vs. expenditure explanation in one book where he was basically saying take your caloric needs and add to them to gain mass or subtract to get ripped. Just an observation that he didn't seem to give nearly any attention to detail regarding nutrition or drugs that he did to training.
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mentzer wasnt shit. owned into madness by arnold for being a punk.
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From Casey Viator,
“Mentzer used up to 2.5 grams of deca a week, God knows how much primobolin acetate, along with d-bol and growth, so as I said don’t be fooled about our low doses as we were just as reckless as theses guys are today.“
Assuming that quote is "genuine",growth hormone in the 70's?
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Assuming that quote is "genuine",growth hormone in the 70's?
i don't buy this quote
there's a point of diminishing returns for all roids and 2 and a half grams is way beyond deca's
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Also meant to mention as others noted, how great of a writer he was. I can't even read the garbage Bob Chick or Peter whoever writes. It's boring, lame, and never inspired me in the least. Reading a column or book by Mike Mentzer always was motivating, and thought provoking. Later when in college when I learned about the scientific methodology and the details of theories and hypotheses, Mentzer's writings seemed more important than I had ever considered. Once you learn and understand the scientific method and terms like validity and reliability, Mike's writings stood out as being far superior and science based than any of the pure garbage Arnold had always published. I also found Mike's statement regarding the "science of bodybuilding" having to exist, and even if he was incorrect in his theory, it didn't invalidate that there was a scientifically provable method of best building muscle.
Not that I have anywhere near the knowledge to make a definitive statement, but it's my opinion that Mike would have benefited from better knowledge of drugs and nutrition. Those were the 2 subjects when he wrote about that were almost dismissive. I remember him mentioning steroids being important and that he remembers taking "boat loads" but didn't seem to think any exact combination or amount was responsible for obtaining an ideal build. And his nutrition writings were very simplistic, he used a calorie consumption vs. expenditure explanation in one book where he was basically saying take your caloric needs and add to them to gain mass or subtract to get ripped. Just an observation that he didn't seem to give nearly any attention to detail regarding nutrition or drugs that he did to training.
ha funny you should mention that piece of shit bob chic
i remember on this board he said mike was and overated bodybuilder i found this quite comical coming from bob chic
mike accomplished more in his first year as a pro then bob did his whole career. also mike actually wrote books that people bought
mike had alot of fans, bob has no fans. just goes to show what a clown bob chic really is , that is why he cant keep a job very long either
no matter where he goes. the sup companies that sign him figure out hes a waste of money
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Bay likey Mike Mentzer! :P
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Danny Padilla looked great in the 2nd picture.
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Mike had the better physique.
Though Ray was very good, and apparently the stronger of the 2.
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Ray did have a more classic physique. Never reached his potential.
Mike had a more unique look. The solid muscle density was awe inspiring. I think he looked his best just standing relaxed. The way those arms just hung there so swollen in reposed was a look no one had in those days. And as someone mentioned, perfectly balanced and proportioned.
Rick Wayne was the best bber writer but, again, Mike was different. Very educated and well read. Not many bbers heard of Nietsche, Ayn Rand or William James until Mentzer.
Also, no one could sport a stache like Mike could. And he came from an era where bodybuilders still managed to keep a full head of hair.
(http://bodybuilding-pics.com/view/17336/137/Mike-Mentzer.html)
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Ray did have a more classic physique. Never reached his potential.
Mike had a more unique look. The solid muscle density was awe inspiring. I think he looked his best just standing relaxed. The way those arms just hung there so swollen in reposed was a look no one had in those days. And as someone mentioned, perfectly balanced and proportioned.
Rick Wayne was the best bber writer but, again, Mike was different. Very educated and well read. Not many bbers heard of Nietsche, Ayn Rand or William James until Mentzer.
Also, no one could sport a stache like Mike could. And he came from an era where bodybuilders still managed to keep a full head of hair.
(http://bodybuilding-pics.com/view/17336/137/Mike-Mentzer.html)
you got that right pellius mike had a great look to him
still dont get how some people on here said he had a wide waist and big gut i dont see that in any of his pics
shame he retired so young. people also forget weider liked mike alot he was paying mike 200k a year back in 1980
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Ray never knew what to do with his hair.
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i don't buy this quote
there's a point of diminishing returns for all roids and 2 and a half grams is way beyond deca's
Lol, yeah keep believing that. 600 mg of deca being a high dose. Not even close.
You can believe whatever you want I guess.
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Mike died 15 years ago yesterday (June 10, 2001)
If still alive today he would have been 64.
He looked about that old in the last video where he is taking a break from shooting his training video to chain smoke while Ray is complaining he can't get a woman.
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He had average arms. And look at that tricep shot. No real separation. Like looking at a Sergio pic, and we know how Sergio wasn't known for conditioning. Average arms, average build. Both Mike and Ray. The only thing that made Mike famous was his system and his meltdown that was induced by Arnold. And that is what I believe colors your perception. Take that away, and he is just an average decent physique for the time.
Yes anf that is why he got a perfect score more than once ?
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lol @ Mentzer with average arms :D :D :D
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Both Mike and Ray rocked the pedo look and rocked it hard. PIP to these amphetamine abusing athletes.
(http://fitness.kickass.link/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/mike-mentzer-with-brother.jpg)
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Mike died 15 years ago yesterday (June 10, 2001)
If still alive today he would have been 64.
He looked about that old in the last video where he is taking a break from shooting his training video to chain smoke while Ray is complaining he can't get a woman.
!!! 15yrs ago.
Sadly neither of them looked there age in that last video
Looking much older than they were.
Then they were only days from death.
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Mike may have had good arms but on the 1980 Olympia stage his triceps looked average compared to Dickerson's and although Chris's biceps were not as great as his triceps his arms as a whole made Mentzer's look weak.
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This looks to be from the mid-1980s.
They both look young and healthy... such a shame.
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wow, thats' the best I have ever seen Ray look. An aside, I think his kidney disease was in its nascent stages when Ray was competing. I think that's why he had trouble with water retention.
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This looks to be from the mid-1980s.
They both look young and healthy... such a shame.
Probably early 80's.
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lol @ Mentzer with average arms :D :D :D
Legit 18 5/8" arms, but very average..... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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robbie was like a piece of black marble'no racist'
Stop stealing my lines :)
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Boyer looks off then
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Boyer looks off then
and he just kept getting smaller as he went through the "one set to failure" nonsense during that period where they all worked for Arthur Jones
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and he just kept getting smaller as he went through the "one set to failure" nonsense during that period where they all worked for Arthur Jones
Yeah.... made a nice comeback in the early '90s though. Said in an interview he hit GH for the first time during that period leading up to '94 Masters O.
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Yeah.... made a nice comeback in the early '90s though. Said in an interview he hit GH for the first time during that period leading up to '94 Masters O.
I think he also trained a bit like Dorian during that comeback but not a full body one set per exercise thing
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Both Mike and Ray rocked the pedo look and rocked it hard. PIP to these amphetamine abusing athletes.
(http://fitness.kickass.link/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/mike-mentzer-with-brother.jpg)
Jerry Brainum posted on Dave Drapers website that he spoke the coroner and speculated that they both basically OD'd
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Not sure about Mike but I can believe that Ray OD'd after the stress of finding his brother dead. I remember reading this:
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Legit 18 5/8" arms, but very average..... ::) ::) ::) ::)
it's not necessarily what he measure but how they look, and those guns look damn good 8)
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it's not necessarily what he measure but how they look, and those guns look damn good 8)
Yup. No oil allowed. ;D