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Ridiculous. Makes about as much as sense as blaming the Democrat party because the shooter was apparently a registered Democrat. Stupid.
NY Daily News Blames NRA For Orlando Shooting
Christine Rousselle
Posted: Jun 13, 2016
NY Daily News Blames NRA For Orlando Shooting
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True to form, the New York Daily News isn't holding back in their June 13 edition, and is blaming the NRA for the terrorist attack at a gay nightclub in Orlando.
The attack was carried out by Omar Mateen, who pledged allegiance to ISIS before storming the nightclub. His guns were purchased legally.
Naturally, people were quick to call out the NYDN for their absurd accusation, noting that someone who was intent on mass murder likely wouldn't have been deterred by gun laws.
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When someone rapes a woman, we put the blame squarely on the rapist. When someone stabs or strangles someone, the blame is placed on the murderer. Yet for some reason, when a man who confesses allegiance to ISIS goes on a rampage and murders 50 people at a nightclub, it's not the shooter's fault--it's the NRA's.
Insane.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/06/13/ny-daily-news-blames-nra-for-orlando-shooting-n2177094
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IF the dude was still on the terror watch list, as coach falsely claimed, then yes, the NRA + congressional efforts to allow watchlist folks to buy guns (Opposed by famous liberals like obama and trump).... they'd be a part of the blame.
The FBI cleared him. After 2 investigations. He was legal to buy the guns. Maybe they should blame the FBI for going so easy on them.
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Typical incompetent ignorant liberal NYDN
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IF the dude was still on the terror watch list, as coach falsely claimed, then yes, the NRA + congressional efforts to allow watchlist folks to buy guns (Opposed by famous liberals like obama and trump).... they'd be a part of the blame.
The FBI cleared him. After 2 investigations. He was legal to buy the guns. Maybe they should blame the FBI for going so easy on them.
What the fuck is all of that drivel. The NRA would be to blame? How the fuck would the NRA be to blame. If this guy committed a crime that suspended his 2nd Amendment rights then sure..no guns for him but the same laws that apply to you and me apply to him. The libs would love your view to be law. Who makes up the more then 1 million people on the watch list? Some asshole we have to hope has a wide view of the Constitution, loves guns and hates muslims and other shitbags. However when libs are in power we know that's not the case. Please stop telling us your in any way shape or form conservative.
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What the fuck is all of that drivel. The NRA would be to blame? How the fuck would the NRA be to blame.
NRA + Senate Repubs = stopped the bill which prevents those on terror watchlist from buying guns.
Not that it would have stopped this shooter - turns out he was taken OFF the list in 2014/2015 after 2 FBI investigations cleared him.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns
enate Republicans rejected a bill that aims to stop suspected terrorists from legally buying guns, on Thursday. The vote came a day after at least 14 people were killed during the San Bernardino massacre in California by two suspects, including a woman said to have pledged allegiance to ISIS.
The NRA did not respond to a request on Friday for comment. But the gun rights lobby group told MSBC last month it wants to ensure that Americans who are wrongly on the terrorist list are are afforded their constitutional right to due process.
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You can deny someon their constitutional rights without due process...I know you're all for restricting rights but the law would not be upheld
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You can deny someon their constitutional rights without due process...I know you're all for restricting rights but the law would not be upheld
Would you have been okay with this shooter being allowed to buy rifles while the FBI was investigating him? It was over 2 years they were all up in his shit, trying to find something. He cannot fly - but he can buy a dozen AR-15s?
You are okay with that?
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Would you have been okay with this shooter being allowed to buy rifles while the FBI was investigating him? It was over 2 years they were all up in his shit, trying to find something. He cannot fly - but he can buy a dozen AR-15s?
You are okay with that?
I am.
You are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Period.
Why are people so quick to erode civil liberties and due process?
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IF the dude was still on the terror watch list, as coach falsely claimed, then yes, the NRA + congressional efforts to allow watchlist folks to buy guns (Opposed by famous liberals like obama and trump).... they'd be a part of the blame.
The FBI cleared him. After 2 investigations. He was legal to buy the guns. Maybe they should blame the FBI for going so easy on them.
As usual, you're a liar.
Quote from: 240 is Back on June 12, 2016, 09:38:46 PM
He was investigated twice, and the FBI found nothing and dropped it. 2013 and 2014. He was cleared.
You're kinda ignorant on this issue, aren't you?
How is a person "stopped" when the FBI does its job and discovers nothing? Explain.
Why don't you provide a link to that since you've been on since it happened trying to find someone that would post some propaganda for you to exploit. Cleared my ass. If you're on a terrorist watch list or on "A" watch list you're never cleared otherwise him being investigated would have been a non-issue. For fucks sake, use some goddamn commonsense for just a second....one fucking second!!
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As usual, you're a liar.
Quote from: 240 is Back on June 12, 2016, 09:38:46 PM
He was investigated twice, and the FBI found nothing and dropped it. 2013 and 2014. He was cleared.
You're kinda ignorant on this issue, aren't you?
How is a person "stopped" when the FBI does its job and discovers nothing? Explain.
Why don't you provide a link to that since you've been on since it happened trying to find someone that would post some propaganda for you to exploit. Cleared my ass. If you're on a terrorist watch list or on "A" watch list you're never cleared otherwise him being investigated would have been a non-issue. For fucks sake, use some goddamn commonsense for just a second....one fucking second!!
They removed him from the terror watch list.
You don't really understand how the list works, do you? It's not the people they're aware of...
Please, read up on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_Screening_Database
The FBI had 2 investigations on him. They closed those 2 investigations. They still knew who he was, but he was no longer on the terror watch list.
Coach, when you use 4 curse words in 1 sentence, we all kinda realize 1) you're wrong 2) you're angry that you're wrong 3) you kinda don't understand things here.
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They removed him from the terror watch list.
You don't really understand how the list works, do you? It's not the people they're aware of...
Please, read up on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_Screening_Database
The FBI had 2 investigations on him. They closed those 2 investigations. They still knew who he was, but he was no longer on the terror watch list.
Coach, when you use 4 curse words in 1 sentence, we all kinda realize 1) you're wrong 2) you're angry that you're wrong 3) you kinda don't understand things here.
You're an arm chair expert. Tell us how it works. You lied about what I said. You sit behind a computer and Google shit all day. One day if you're ever out here I can introduce you too a couple of people that tell you straight from the horses mouth.
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You're an arm chair expert. Tell us how it works. You lied about what I said. You sit behind a computer and Google shit all day. One day if you're ever out here I can introduce you too a couple of people that tell you straight from the horses mouth.
You didn't like what the FBI spokesman had to say - so you accused the LA times of faking that quote.
Are you now admitting you don't understand it, and truly want me to explain it?
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You didn't like what the FBI spokesman had to say - so you accused the LA times of faking that quote.
Are you now admitting you don't understand it, and truly want me to explain it?
I admitted I didn't understand it? You'll explain it anyway. lol.
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Would you have been okay with this shooter being allowed to buy rifles while the FBI was investigating him? It was over 2 years they were all up in his shit, trying to find something. He cannot fly - but he can buy a dozen AR-15s?
You are okay with that?
Way to not address any of the issues I shoved in your face
Whether or not I am ok with it is irrelevant, you cannot strip away someone's constitutional rights without due process.
PS glad you weren't hurt
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The NRA has created an atmosphere through their mindless pushing of guns that its okay and legal to go out and buy an assault rifle which serves NO USEFUL CIVILIAN PURPOSE other than to kill as many people as possible......
and idiots still defend them because they claim that they are fighting for 2nd Amendment rights...THE REAL DEAL , is that they are fighting to keep money flowing into their own pockets through gun sales, memberships, and donations...and they don't care how many people die to accomplish that....
its a money grab...pure and simple
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The NRA has created an atmosphere through their mindless pushing of guns that its okay and legal to go out and buy an assault rifle which serves NO USEFUL CIVILIAN PURPOSE other than to kill as many people as possible......
and idiots still defend them because they claim that they are fighting for 2nd Amendment rights...THE REAL DEAL , is that they ar4 fighting to keep money flowing into their own pockets through gun sales...and they don't care how many people die to acomplish that....
its a money grab...pure and simple
Oh please - and who created the atomoshere in chicago and detroit and predominiately minority areas where people kill each other over a bottle of Colt 45? Gangsta Rap made me do it?
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Oh please - and who created the atomoshere in chicago and detroit and predominiately minority areas where people kill each other over a bottle of Colt 45? Gangsta Rap made me do it?
Again..there is no reason for people to own assault rifles.....address that...
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Again..there is no reason for people to own assault rifles.....address that...
There is no reason to own a Corvette or Ferrari that goes 3x the legal speed limit - but we are allowed to - address that
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There is no reason to own a Corvette or Ferrari that goes 3x the legal speed limit - but we are allowed to - address that
I don't see Corvettes or Ferrraris in the news due to their causing mass killings
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Again..there is no reason for people to own assault rifles.....address that...
Andre how does an "assault rifle" differ from a pistol?
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Way to not address any of the issues I shoved in your face
Whether or not I am ok with it is irrelevant, you cannot strip away someone's constitutional rights without due process.
PS glad you weren't hurt
this dude traveled to saudi arabia repeatedly, he swore allegiance to multiple terror groups - the FBI saw his as a wanna-be and closed the file.
IMO, if a person claims to be isis, hamas, etc.... and travels overseas.... well I'm okay with stripping away their rights. The moment a person shows any love to ANY foreign group with bad intentions, I'm okay with launching their rigths (including buying rifles) out the window.
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this dude traveled to saudi arabia repeatedly, he swore allegiance to multiple terror groups - the FBI saw his as a wanna-be and closed the file.
IMO, if a person claims to be isis, hamas, etc.... and travels overseas.... well I'm okay with stripping away their rights. The moment a person shows any love to ANY foreign group with bad intentions, I'm okay with launching their rigths (including buying rifles) out the window.
Well then make a law restricting the first amendment and make it a felony, that will prevent him from buying a gun.
You cannot strip someone's constitutional rights without due process, plain and simple
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Well then make a law restricting the first amendment and make it a felony, that will prevent him from buying a gun.
You cannot strip someone's constitutional rights without due process, plain and simple
It's not a free speech issue. It's providing support, growth, and public support for a terror group. Just like yelling fire in a theater isn't protected.
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It's not a free speech issue. It's providing support, growth, and public support for a terror group. Just like yelling fire in a theater isn't protected.
Your post said "if someone claims" that's a form of speech.
Contributing to a terrorist organization is already a crime that would have prevented him from owning a gun
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Your post said "if someone claims" that's a form of speech.
Contributing to a terrorist organization is already a crime that would have prevented him from owning a gun
If I "claim" I"m going to do this or that to a person, it's not free speech, it's a THREAT.
If you publicly proclaim your allegiance with a group promising to hurt america, you're making a threat to nat'l security.
I cannot believe anyone is defending taking guns away from someone doing this.
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If I "claim" I"m going to do this or that to a person, it's not free speech, it's a THREAT.
If you publicly proclaim your allegiance with a group promising to hurt america, you're making a threat to nat'l security.
I cannot believe anyone is defending taking guns away from someone doing this.
That is an issue of free speech you fucking idiot!!! So is yelling fire in a packed movie theatre. The difference is that the law does not protect yelling fire as free speech and it does pledging allegiance to ignorant ideologies.
Again, YOU CANNOT STRIP SOMEONES CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS
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That is an issue of free speech you fucking idiot!!! So is yelling fire in a packed movie theatre. The difference is that the law does not protect yelling fire as free speech and it does pledging allegiance to ignorant ideologies.
Again, YOU CANNOT STRIP SOMEONES CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS
Why does the law protect those who claim to support hamas or isis?
it's just as dangerous as yelling fire in a theater. Maybe worse.
you're calling me an F'ing idiot, which tells me youre angry. Anger comes from a place inside you that realizes I'm a little right here.
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Why does the law protect those who claim to support hamas or isis?
it's just as dangerous as yelling fire in a theater. Maybe worse.
you're calling me an F'ing idiot, which tells me youre angry. Anger comes from a place inside you that realizes I'm a little right here.
Haha holy shit son, go back and read my posts fuck nugget.
I already told you if you have an issue with that than to pass a law prohibiting it and make it a felony. That would prevent people like them from buying guns!!!!!
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Andre how does an "assault rifle" differ from a pistol?
it differs in that Pistols have legitimate uses for self-protection....assault rifles do not...also a guy with a pistol may kill a few people but he would have to be a great shot and the damage would be limited...with an assault rifle you can just fire quickly with more ammunition thus killing more people.
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it differs in that Pistols have legitimate uses for self-protection....assault rifles do not...also a guy with a pistol may kill a few people but he would have to be a great shot and the damage would be limited...with an assault rifle you can just fire quickly with more ammunition thus killing more people.
False
Smarten Up sparky - semi auto is semi auto
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people on the no-fly and terror-watch list can currently walk into a gun store and order a case of AR-15s.
Think about that. Dems, obama, trump all agree with it. NRA and Senate Repubs are against it.
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it differs in that Pistols have legitimate uses for self-protection....assault rifles do not...also a guy with a pistol may kill a few people but he would have to be a great shot and the damage would be limited...with an assault rifle you can just fire quickly with more ammunition thus killing more people.
How is a pistol more capable of legitimate self protection than an assault rifle? He wasn't firing from a rooftop 1000 feet away using a scope, so I don't know how he could fire the assault rifle more accurately than the pistol. You pull the trigger on an assault rifle just the same as a pistol, 1 trigger pull gets 1 bullet.
Everything. You just typed was wrong as usual
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it differs in that Pistols have legitimate uses for self-protection....assault rifles do not...also a guy with a pistol may kill a few people but he would have to be a great shot and the damage would be limited...with an assault rifle you can just fire quickly with more ammunition thus killing more people.
Well it's not really up to your opinion on what is or isn't needed for self defense so let's stick to the mechanics of the guns.
Pistols can shoot just as fast as rifles which means you can have just as many injuries. Pistols allow for high capacity magazines just like rifles so you can fire just as many rounds without reloading.
Pistols account for far more deaths every year over rifles.
Why are you ok with people owning pistols that can kill just as many just as quickly as rifles?
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Well it's not really up to your opinion on what is or isn't needed for self defense so let's stick to the mechanics of the guns.
Pistols can shoot just as fast as rifles which means you can have just as many injuries. Pistols allow for high capacity magazines just like rifles so you can fire just as many rounds without reloading.
Pistols account for far more deaths every year over rifles.
Why are you ok with people owning pistols that can kill just as many just as quickly as rifles?
Independent thought really isn't Andre's thing. He just repeats talking points
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John McCain says Obama is 'directly responsible' for the Orlando terrorist attack
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U.S. Senator John McCain arrives on a visit at a migrant center near the village of Adasevci, Serbia February 12, 2016. REUTERS/Marko Djurica
US Sen. John McCain on a visit at a migrant center near the village of Adasevci, Serbia.Thomson Reuters
Sen. John McCain on Thursday delivered and quickly walked back comments saying President Barack Obama was "directly responsible" for the terrorist attack on an LGBTQ nightclub in Orlando, Florida, earlier this week.
The Republican senator from Arizona reportedly argued that Obama was to blame for the shooting that left 49 people dead because his administration's Middle East policy led to the rise of the terrorist group ISIS.
"Barack Obama is directly responsible for it, because when he pulled everybody out of Iraq, al-Qaeda went to Syria, became ISIS, and ISIS is what it is today thanks to Barack Obama’s failures," McCain said, according to The Washington Post.
McCain make the remarks to a small group of reporters in a Senate hallway, according to the Post. His comments were made in response to a question about gun control.
Later in the afternoon, McCain released a statement saying he "misspoke":
"I misspoke. I did not mean to imply that the President was personally responsible. I was referring to President Obama's national security decisions, not the President himself. As I have said, President Obama's decision to completely withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq in 2011 led to the rise of ISIL. I and others have long warned that the failure of the President’s policy to deny ISIL safe haven would allow the terrorist organization to inspire, plan, direct or conduct attacks on the United States and Europe as they have done in Paris, Brussels, San Bernardino and now Orlando."
The gunman who carried out the Orlando attack, a US citizen, pledged allegiance to ISIS in phone calls and Facebook posts made during the attack.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid's office quickly issued a statement condemning McCain's comments.
"Senator McCain's unhinged comments are just the latest proof that Senate Republicans are puppets of Donald Trump," said Adam Jentleson, Reid's deputy chief of staff.
"This is the party of Trump," he added.
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McCain is flat out wrong on this.
If he wants to follow history completely, then he would say that removing Saddam from power in Iraq caused the rise of ISIS and in turn this shooter.
Both are completely false though. This kid shot who he wanted to shoot. He was born in the US to parents that came over in 80s when the US was FOR the afghani people and against the Soviet Union. He wasn't a recent immigrant... Hell, he wasn't an immigrant at all.
So really, this is just a flat out lie on every level.
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mccain is about to lose his re-election race.
he's appealing to crazy trump base because that's how he wins his race.
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McCain is flat out wrong on this.
If he wants to follow history completely, then he would say that removing Saddam from power in Iraq caused the rise of ISIS and in turn this shooter.
Both are completely false though. This kid shot who he wanted to shoot. He was born in the US to parents that came over in 80s when the US was FOR the afghani people and against the Soviet Union. He wasn't a recent immigrant... Hell, he wasn't an immigrant at all.
So really, this is just a flat out lie on every level.
Agreed 1000%
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Well it's not really up to your opinion on what is or isn't needed for self defense so let's stick to the mechanics of the guns.
Pistols can shoot just as fast as rifles which means you can have just as many injuries. Pistols allow for high capacity magazines just like rifles so you can fire just as many rounds without reloading.
Pistols account for far more deaths every year over rifles.
Why are you ok with people owning pistols that can kill just as many just as quickly as rifles?
Andre, care to answer?
Any of the posters who want to ban "assault rifles"