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Title: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: efirkey on June 17, 2016, 04:48:05 AM
I would support this if I believed they actually used the money for cancer research or medical costs, but I'm sure they will use it to support welfare recipients instead.

How long before they tax all candy bars and everything else on the planet including supplements.

I live in a sales tax free state.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Donny on June 17, 2016, 05:19:01 AM
I would support this if I believed they actually used the money for cancer research or medical costs, but I'm sure they will use it to support welfare recipients instead.

How long before they tax all candy bars and everything else on the planet including supplements.

I live in a sales tax free state.

soon shitting will be taxed  ???
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: kh300 on June 17, 2016, 05:26:49 AM
soon shitting will be taxed  ???

It is. Your taxed when you buy the toilet,your taxed on the toilet paper,your taxed on the water when you flush,your taxed on the issue of muscle hunks you read while taking said shit.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Waller on June 17, 2016, 05:27:49 AM
soon shitting will be taxed  ???

Best stop talking then.  ;D
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: nzmusclemonster on June 17, 2016, 05:28:18 AM
Tax shit food, subsidies healthy food.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Donny on June 17, 2016, 05:28:53 AM
It is. Your taxed when you buy the toilet,your taxed on the toilet paper,your taxed when you flush,your taxed on the issue of muscle hunks you read while taking said shit.
Sad but true.... :(
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Mitch on June 17, 2016, 05:44:36 AM
Why tax everyone? Tax obese people only. Normal people should get their sodas at normal price.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: mazrim on June 17, 2016, 06:11:48 AM
Dumb. Make prople take a bodyfat test before paying.
 Nothing to do with pop. It's called overeating everything.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: BlackMetallic on June 17, 2016, 06:17:19 AM
Dumb. Make prople take a bodyfat test before paying.
 Nothing to do with pop. It's called overeating everything.

Lol

Aclu fought and won so welfare recipients dont have to get drug tested in order to qualify for welfare

Aclu also sued and won allowing pregnant women to able use cocain during pregnancy

They would surely sue if what you said was passed  
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Donny on June 17, 2016, 06:18:58 AM
well i know that some Krankenkasse (Health insurance) here started to send people to Gyms.. and to go on awareness programms about overweight..etc. Most i met were happy to get a Gym payed for but i had a couple who were difficult to say the least. I had one woman who just did not want to be in the Gym. She was walking on the tredmill shaking her head and mumbling to herself. sometimes it´s hard to be nice to such people.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: drkaje on June 17, 2016, 06:21:01 AM
Banning soda and some foods would probably have a bigger effect on society health than banning AR15s.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: GigantorX on June 17, 2016, 06:30:18 AM
Who buys the majority of soft drinks and junk?

Poor people.

Oops!
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Nails on June 17, 2016, 06:50:55 AM
i am sure those Philly cheese steak sandwiches have nothing to do with it 
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Donny on June 17, 2016, 06:53:31 AM
i am sure those Philly cheese steak sandwiches have nothing to do with it 
sound great  ;D
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 17, 2016, 07:06:05 AM
I don't drink soda but I also don't agree with the government taxing things they don't like in order to discourage their use.  In my view this is an abuse of power and it's a way to circumvent the law. 

They can't ban a certain thing because they know the public would never allow it so they try to find a way to hammer the companies that sell it and the consumers that buy it.  This is not their job and none of their business.  It's dishonest and an abuse of our tax system.

People must like getting pushed around.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: SF1900 on June 17, 2016, 07:16:05 AM
I don't drink soda but I also don't agree with the government taxing things they don't like in order to discourage their use.  In my view this is an abuse of power and it's a way to circumvent the law. 

They can't ban a certain thing because they know the public would never allow it so they try to find a way to hammer the companies that sell it and the consumers that buy it.  This is not their job and none of their business.  It's dishonest and an abuse of our tax system.

People must like getting pushed around.

I felt the same way when they tried to ban Caliber Firness Solutions (Vince Goodrum, CNS, MFT, HHP). The government said that Caliber Fitness Solution was becoming a monopoly and taken over the fitness industry. Shame.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: mazrim on June 17, 2016, 07:27:38 AM
Lol

Aclu fought and won so welfare recipients dont have to get drug tested in order to qualify for welfare

Aclu also sued and won allowing pregnant women to able use cocain during pregnancy

They would surely sue if what you said was passed  
Glad you thought my post was fully serious. Was making a point.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Ronnie Rep on June 17, 2016, 08:56:42 AM
Philly has State Liquor stores where they over charge you for hard liquor and tax it on top of it. Wouldn't surprise me at all if soda was next.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Nails on June 17, 2016, 08:59:04 AM
it won't be long before they start taxing anyone they see on top of the  Art Museum  steps with their first pointing to the sky
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: efirkey on June 17, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
1.5 cents per ounce, so a 30 ounce big gulp would have 45 cents in tax.  The soda probably only cost a $1.  That's a pretty high tax rate there.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 01:30:54 PM
I don't drink soda but I also don't agree with the government taxing things they don't like in order to discourage their use.  In my view this is an abuse of power and it's a way to circumvent the law. 

They can't ban a certain thing because they know the public would never allow it so they try to find a way to hammer the companies that sell it and the consumers that buy it.  This is not their job and none of their business.  It's dishonest and an abuse of our tax system.

People must like getting pushed around.


OK- but when you consider the fact that corn is one of the most heavily-subsidized crops (largely thanks to the massively influential corn lobby) and that's the main reason cheap, sugary and carb-heavy junk food is so plentiful, then does that alter the balance of power?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 17, 2016, 01:38:24 PM

OK- but when you consider the fact that corn is one of the most heavily-subsidized crops (largely thanks to the massively influential corn lobby) and that's the main reason cheap, sugary and carb-heavy junk food is so plentiful, then does that alter the balance of power?

Agricultural subsidies is a complete topic that I'm not informed enough to comment on.

What I don't like is the government using taxes as a punitive measure to influence and control people's choices behavior.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 02:03:07 PM
Agricultural subsidies is a complete topic that I'm not informed enough to comment on.

What I don't like is the government using taxes as a punitive measure to influence and control people's choices behavior.

The point being these sugary drinks did not become so prominent by accident or simply because it's what people like. At a lot of fast food places, it's actually cheaper to buy a larger drink than a smaller drink.  Restaurants literally spend more on ice than they do the syrup to make the soda. The same economics are true for a lot of corn-based junk food sold in supermarkets. So the prices of these items are already artificially low, so that's influencing people's behavior, isn't it?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on June 17, 2016, 02:29:47 PM
Lib politicians enacting another cash grab.  Nothing new here.

Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 17, 2016, 02:46:42 PM
The point being these sugary drinks did not become so prominent by accident or simply because it's what people like. At a lot of fast food places, it's actually cheaper to buy a larger drink than a smaller drink.  Restaurants literally spend more on ice than they do the syrup to make the soda. The same economics are true for a lot of corn-based junk food sold in supermarkets. So the prices of these items are already artificially low, so that's influencing people's behavior, isn't it?

Encouraging things and punishing things are two very different concepts.

What I don't like is the government using taxes to punish.  I think that we should let the courts be in the punishment business.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 03:32:24 PM
Encouraging things and punishing things are two very different concepts.

What I don't like is the government using taxes to punish.  I think that we should let the courts be in the punishment business.


That wording is subjective interpretation and not really indicative of what's going on. Punish? What court levies $0.45 punishments?  At best, it is a price correction, at worst it is a user fee for a product with very clear health risks associated with it.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Nails on June 17, 2016, 03:34:27 PM
Its a good thing black folk only drink Grape Juice Pop and Kool Aid
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 03:38:16 PM
Banning soda and some foods would probably have a bigger effect on society health than banning AR15s.

"probably"?

???
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 03:41:04 PM
The point being these sugary drinks did not become so prominent by accident or simply because it's what people like. At a lot of fast food places, it's actually cheaper to buy a larger drink than a smaller drink.  Restaurants literally spend more on ice than they do the syrup to make the soda. The same economics are true for a lot of corn-based junk food sold in supermarkets. So the prices of these items are already artificially low, so that's influencing people's behavior, isn't it?
There is no sugar in a diet soda you moron.

Besides, I eat a ton of sugar everyday and maintain single digit bodyfat.

Fuck you and everyone like you.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 03:42:49 PM

That wording is subjective interpretation and not really indicative of what's going on. Punish? What court levies $0.45 punishments?  At best, it is a price correction, at worst it is a user fee for a product with very clear health risks associated with it.
There is no health risk to any of it you shit pile.

The same should apply to apples and oranges as well then if sugar is to be the enemy.  You are not bright at all.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
The point being these sugary drinks did not become so prominent by accident or simply because it's what people like. At a lot of fast food places, it's actually cheaper to buy a larger drink than a smaller drink.  Restaurants literally spend more on ice than they do the syrup to make the soda. The same economics are true for a lot of corn-based junk food sold in supermarkets. So the prices of these items are already artificially low, so that's influencing people's behavior, isn't it?

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 03:48:51 PM
What do you mean?
Price per ounce wise it is cheaper.

No idea why that would be a problem at all.

Why blame the soda for putting them in a caloric surplus and not the chicken breast and salad instead that may have pushed them over their caloric limit?

I don't think Al Niggity and people like him understand what calories are and how someone gains and loses fat.

Its pathetic really.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 03:50:55 PM
There is no sugar in a diet soda you moron.

Besides, I eat a ton of sugar everyday and maintain single digit bodyfat.

Fuck you and everyone like you.


Why don't you just skip the part where you engage in an argument you are not capable of handling, and just jump right to copying and pasting barely relevant walls of text.  ::)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 03:56:21 PM

Why don't you just skip the part where you engage in an argument you are not capable of handling, and just jump right to copying and pasting barely relevant walls of text.  ::)
Whats funny is that I eat more sugar in a day than you do probably in a month and I am single digits.

Fuck yourself loser.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 04:01:44 PM
Price per ounce wise it is cheaper.

No idea why that would be a problem at all.

Why blame the soda for putting them in a caloric surplus and not the chicken breast and salad instead that may have pushed them over their caloric limit?

I don't think Al Niggity and people like him understand what calories are and how someone gains and loses fat.

Its pathetic really.

Oh, per ounce.  Pretty standard business there and not exactly a revelation.

But I suppose some will view it as convenient room to tax.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 04:18:16 PM
Oh, per ounce.  Pretty standard business there and not exactly a revelation.

But I suppose some will view it as convenient room to tax.

No, not per ounce. Literally cheaper. Until recently, at most McDonald's in New York City , it was $0.10-.15 less expensive to buy an extra large version of a meal than a large, which featured a nominal difference in fry size and something like 8 oz more soda.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 04:21:51 PM
No, not per ounce. Literally cheaper. Until recently, at most McDonald's in New York City , it was $0.10-.15 less expensive to buy an extra large version of a meal than a large, which featured a nominal difference in fry size and something like 8 oz more soda.

I'll admit to being a little lost on the whole subject, but what's the advantage for the business to do that?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 04:28:37 PM
I'll admit to being a little lost on the whole subject, but what's the advantage for the business to do that?


Seriously? You don't understand why a business would offer what seems like a bargain on a product that costs them virtually nothing?  The price-to-size difference in the meals are calculated to make it seem as if going larger is the best deal. The cost difference for McDonalds between a small meal and a large meal is well under $1.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on June 17, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Could be wors,  you could live here in sweden
. We have the second highest taxes i think.. For every 100 we make 60 goes to fucking taxes




And we have high taxes because of all the immigrants that dont even want to work or become a responsible human being that works and pays taxes like we others.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 04:33:05 PM

Seriously? You don't understand why a business would offer what seems like a bargain on a product that costs them virtually nothing?  The price-to-size difference in the meals are calculated to make it seem as if going larger is the best deal. The cost difference for McDonalds between a small meal and a large meal is well under $1.

No, what I don't understand is why they wouldn't simply switch the two prices.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 04:34:28 PM

Seriously? You don't understand why a business would offer what seems like a bargain on a product that costs them virtually nothing?  The price-to-size difference in the meals are calculated to make it seem as if going larger is the best deal. The cost difference for McDonalds between a small meal and a large meal is well under $1.
Total bullshit.

There is value in going larger and it also depends on what you are including, be it drink or fries.  The cost difference is substantial when quantified in large enough numbers.  You don't know a thing about the fast food industry.

Where the hell are you getting your "talking points".  Making them up I assume.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 04:38:17 PM
Total bullshit.

There is value in going larger and it also depends on what you are including, be it drink or fries.  The cost difference is substantial when quantified in large enough numbers.  You don't know a thing about the fast food industry.

Where the hell are you getting your "talking points".  Making them up I assume.
Cost drops when volume increases for basically every business on earth.

Other than the sandwich, the only difference in  McDonalds' meals are the size of the soda and the size of the fries.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 04:40:03 PM
The cost difference drops  when numbers increase for basically every business on earth.

Other than the sandwich, the only difference in between McDonalds' meals are the size of the soda and the size of the fries.
The size of fries from a small to a large is a Huge difference in weight.  Multiply that difference by one day of fries sales and it will be millions and millions of dollars.

Yes, its a huge difference.  ::)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Andy Griffin on June 17, 2016, 04:42:49 PM
The size of fries from a small to a large is a Huge difference in weight.  Multiply that difference by one day of fries sales and it will be millions and millions of dollars.

Yes, its a huge difference.  ::)

There are probably a few former diagnostic lab sales reps (those who didn't own their performance) who could offer insight regarding the fast food business.

Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 04:44:52 PM
There are probably a few former diagnostic lab sales reps (those who didn't own their performance) who could offer insight regarding the fast food business.


Definitely not adding value at every turn, most of them. 

Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
Here's a thread that goes into it a little... at least to show the idea is out there, apparently.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110108213320AANzWm1
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Andy Griffin on June 17, 2016, 04:45:20 PM
Definitely not adding value at every turn, most of them. 



 8)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 04:46:59 PM
The size of fries from a small to a large is a Huge difference in weight.  Multiply that difference by one day of fries sales and it will be millions and millions of dollars.

Yes, its a huge difference.  ::)

The difference between small  and large fries  is about 1 potato. If you bought it at a grocery store it would be less than a quarter. McDonalds pays bulk prices.  I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make when you say "multiply that difference millions of times"...?  Regardless of how many times it happens a day, the price difference between small and large meals is less than a dollar, far less than the cost McDonald's charges. The cost for McDonalds does not go up because it happens more often.  ::)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 17, 2016, 04:47:09 PM
Good for them
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 17, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
Here's a thread that goes into it a little... at least to show the idea is out there, apparently.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110108213320AANzWm1
When you order a larger size, its cheaper as you will be getting more calories per gram at a lower price than you would had you not "ordered up".

Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
When you order a larger size, its cheaper as you will be getting more calories per gram at a lower price than you would had you not "ordered up".



Which is not at all what is talked about in the thread that was linked ::)



Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 05:11:31 PM
I'll admit to not quite being 'there' with the price thing, in that I don't understand it (and don't recall ever seeing it).  I don't believe it is widespread, longstanding, etc.

So why now?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: HTexan on June 17, 2016, 05:48:34 PM
Tax shit food, subsidies healthy food.
This. By the problem is healthy food isn't calorie dense and is $$$. Poor people can't afford it.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 06:08:25 PM
I'll admit to not quite being 'there' with the price thing, in that I don't understand it (and don't recall ever seeing it).  I don't believe it is widespread, longstanding, etc.

So why now?

I would like you to know  that I think you are an idiot. I only answered your question in this thread as it related to what someone else said, but I would probably have just ignored you otherwise. We've interacted in the past and those interactions led me to believe you have some sort of learning or personality disorder. Both times you picked up on a fairly innocuous point and dragged out a non-sensical debate over a few pages.(Maybe that makes me an idiot and you a genius troll  ??? ) Once again, you seem to be doing the same thing.  I wouldn't feel comfortable thinking someone was stupid just because we didn't see eye-to-eye on the board, but in that Apple thread other people pointed out how stupid your line of reasoning was, so I generally feel okay with ignoring most of what you have to say.


The reason I was compelled to address this is because  of the "Why now? " line in your last post. I can understand being skeptical or flat out not believing that larger drinks have been sold for less money (which, of course, is something I can't prove with a link. Few McDonald's post their prices online), but when I posted that, it was part of a larger point about the cheapness of soda syrup, which isn't really debatable. Your last post seemed to be asking me about how McDonald's prices are connected to the new Philly law. This is just so rainman-ish to me that I don't think there's a reasonable conversation to have here. I will debate with anyone as long as it's in a reasonable fashion, but sometimes I feel like you just have to let it go. I suppose you can keep addressing me if you want to, but if you ever wonder why I am not responding to your posts, this is an explanation. Of course, if you address me enough, I probably will not be able to resist myself in responding (likely negatively), but I sincerely hope that you just choose not to do that.


BTW, here are a few more links of people talking about  McDonald's soda price discreprancies. It's pretty easy to find that this is something that happens, as I said earlier:
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2f8nek/eli5why_is_mcdonalds_large_drink_cheaper_than_the/

http://mhsstobbs.weebly.com/mcdonalds-soft-drink-pricing-strategy.html

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080309165302AASh4n0




Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 17, 2016, 06:09:41 PM

That wording is subjective interpretation and not really indicative of what's going on. Punish? What court levies $0.45 punishments?  At best, it is a price correction, at worst it is a user fee for a product with very clear health risks associated with it.

The Government absolutely uses taxes and fees to punish things they don't like.  They do it all the time have no problem admitting it.  Listen to Obama talk about fossil fuel industry some time.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on June 17, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
They should put a $100 tax on all cans of fart powder so that these snake oil salesman are put out of business
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 06:15:59 PM
The Government absolutely uses taxes and fees to punish things they don't like.  They do it all the time have no problem admitting it.  Listen to Obama talk about fossil fuel industry some time.

Please post a link.  ???
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 17, 2016, 07:22:06 PM
This was while he was running for President.  Just one of the memorable ones that I can think of right off the top of my head.  Certainly not the only clip like this that exists.

 

Which looks interesting when you compare it to this CNN article from 2015

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/03/investing/coal-obama-climate-change/
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 07:26:44 PM
I would like you to know  that I think you are an idiot. I only answered your question in this thread as it related to what someone else said, but I would probably have just ignored you otherwise. We've interacted in the past and those interactions led me to believe you have some sort of learning or personality disorder. Both times you picked up on a fairly innocuous point and dragged out a non-sensical debate over a few pages.(Maybe that makes me an idiot and you a genius troll  ??? ) Once again, you seem to be doing the same thing.  I wouldn't feel comfortable thinking someone was stupid just because we didn't see eye-to-eye on the board, but in that Apple thread other people pointed out how stupid your line of reasoning was, so I generally feel okay with ignoring most of what you have to say.


The reason I was compelled to address this is because  of the "Why now? " line in your last post. I can understand being skeptical or flat out not believing that larger drinks have been sold for less money (which, of course, is something I can't prove with a link. Few McDonald's post their prices online), but when I posted that, it was part of a larger point about the cheapness of soda syrup, which isn't really debatable. Your last post seemed to be asking me about how McDonald's prices are connected to the new Philly law. This is just so rainman-ish to me that I don't think there's a reasonable conversation to have here. I will debate with anyone as long as it's in a reasonable fashion, but sometimes I feel like you just have to let it go. I suppose you can keep addressing me if you want to, but if you ever wonder why I am not responding to your posts, this is an explanation. Of course, if you address me enough, I probably will not be able to resist myself in responding (likely negatively), but I sincerely hope that you just choose not to do that.


BTW, here are a few more links of people talking about  McDonald's soda price discreprancies. It's pretty easy to find that this is something that happens, as I said earlier:
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2f8nek/eli5why_is_mcdonalds_large_drink_cheaper_than_the/

http://mhsstobbs.weebly.com/mcdonalds-soft-drink-pricing-strategy.html

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080309165302AASh4n0






lol  ???
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Tapeworm on June 17, 2016, 07:28:03 PM
Psst, yo man.  I got demerara, caster, sticky brown.  What you want?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 17, 2016, 07:30:54 PM
Yeah, the link I posted gives the idea that it may be happening.  That's why I put it up.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 17, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
This was while he was running for President.  Just one of the memorable ones that I can think of right off the top of my head.  Certainly not the only clip like this that exists.

 

Which looks interesting when you compare it to this CNN article from 2015

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/03/investing/coal-obama-climate-change/


I figured this was what you were going to post. Like I said, "subjective interpretation". You said  " encouraging things and punishing things are two very different concepts." They're not. In the instance you posted they are exactly the same thing. What you describe as punishment is meant to encourage cleaner technology. Subjective interpretation.

If you are going to make the specious argument that we should leave the "punishment business" to the courts, then the distinction is relevant. I don't think you can separate the massive agricultural subsidies from this issue.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The Scott on June 17, 2016, 09:04:48 PM
If they can't get away with a tax, they will call it a fee and say, "It's for the children."  And for the greater part, a calorie is a calorie.  What you do with it is another thing.    Don't believe that?

Eat 6,000 calories a day of "healthy food" and do not exercise.  Its highly likely that you will still get as fat as if you were eating the same amount of calories in "junque food".
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 17, 2016, 10:41:13 PM

If you are going to make the specious argument that we should leave the "punishment business" to the courts, then the distinction is relevant. I don't think you can separate the massive agricultural subsidies from this issue.

You might be 100% right.  I'm not sure.

That's why I stated before that I wasn't very informed about agricultural subsidies.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, you do admit that Obama is trying to punish and bankrupt the coal industry right?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: MAXX on June 17, 2016, 11:05:30 PM
bs taxes they pretend are for health and enviroment... just to milk kapable working people
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 18, 2016, 10:18:04 AM
You might be 100% right.  I'm not sure.

That's why I stated before that I wasn't very informed about agricultural subsidies.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, you do admit that Obama is trying to punish and bankrupt the coal industry right?


According to those links you posted, he isn't. In the video, he's talking about curbing the construction of NEW coal-powered plants. He explicitly says "the notion of no coal is an illusion" because we get too large an amount of power from coal.


According to that CNN link, the coal industry has been it's own worst enemy. Coal prices have collapsed since 2009 peak as a result of less demand from China. On top of that,many large companies went on buying binges and tried to consolidate at the top of the market!!
These aren't things that Obama caused. Coal mines aren't closing and coal use isn't declining, but the corporate structure is falling apart. It's true that Obama wants to encourage cleaner fuel use, but the coal industry has caused more of its problems than the president.

(Incidentally, that CNN link says the one company that bucked the trend, Consul, managed to do so because it diversified into natural gas.)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 18, 2016, 08:29:03 PM
In case anyone's wondering about the pricing strategy, at least in the case of a larger combo bring cheaper than a smaller one...

The idea is to get people into the habit of buying the larger one, so that they will choose to pay a higher price when it goes off 'sale'.   Sort of an experiment, I guess.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 18, 2016, 08:41:31 PM

According to those links you posted, he isn't. In the video, he's talking about curbing the construction of NEW coal-powered plants. He explicitly says "the notion of no coal is an illusion" because we get too large an amount of power from coal.


According to that CNN link, the coal industry has been it's own worst enemy. Coal prices have collapsed since 2009 peak as a result of less demand from China. On top of that,many large companies went on buying binges and tried to consolidate at the top of the market!!
These aren't things that Obama caused. Coal mines aren't closing and coal use isn't declining, but the corporate structure is falling apart. It's true that Obama wants to encourage cleaner fuel use, but the coal industry has caused more of its problems than the president.

(Incidentally, that CNN link says the one company that bucked the trend, Consul, managed to do so because it diversified into natural gas.)

So, no then?  You don't think that Obama has attempted to punish and bankrupt the coal industry.

Good to know.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: BodyMachine on June 18, 2016, 08:42:05 PM
wtf is happening to this country? generation nothing, taxed to oblivion, poor services for avg working man (tons of opportunities, grants, aid for poor, however). Fuck.  Why aren't we standing up against this, we used too (Boston Tea party, Vietnam war protests, etc)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 18, 2016, 09:36:12 PM
So, no then?  You don't think that Obama has attempted to punish and bankrupt the coal industry.

Good to know.

Do you think he's attempted to bankrupt the coal industry?

If so, what specifically do you think he's done? In your opinion, is he responsible for the problems currently plaguing the coal industry?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: TTfit on June 18, 2016, 09:42:52 PM
Some people have very few pleasures in life. Why try and take away what little they have? I doubt that that particular tax will deter people from buying what they crave and love. Soda isn't that expensive anyways. There are better things to tax than this.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 18, 2016, 09:57:04 PM
Wondering how the McExperiment is going.

???
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 18, 2016, 10:28:53 PM
Some people have very few pleasures in life. Why try and take away what little they have? I doubt that that particular tax will deter people from buying what they crave and love. Soda isn't that expensive anyways. There are better things to tax than this.

If you doubt that the tax will deter anyone from buying what they crave and love, how is it keeping anyone from their limited pleasures?

The Philly bill was actually never sold as something to deter people from drinking soda. Every article/newspiece I've seen on this has emphasized how the mayor has only talked about how much revenue it will generate. There is speculation that the reason diet sodas were added to the bill at the last minute was because there was a fear too many regular soda drinkers would switch to untaxed diet soda.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: KnightXavi on June 18, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
Is this really a tax or a "disguised" designated tax?  What I mean is, soda has been taxed in my state for years.  They just count it as a "Non-food" tax.  Which means it's taxed like clothes, appliances, etc..  Which is 7%.  Everything else is taxed 2%.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: drkaje on June 19, 2016, 04:26:36 AM
New York state taxes tampons.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Mr Anabolic on June 19, 2016, 05:56:17 AM
Do you think he's attempted to bankrupt the coal industry?

If so, what specifically do you think he's done? In your opinion, is he responsible for the problems currently plaguing the coal industry?

Answering a question with more questions.   ???   You should've been a politician.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: efirkey on June 19, 2016, 07:11:51 AM
A 24 pack of coke on sale is roughly $6.  The tax at 1.5 cents x 12 oz x 24 cans is $4.32.  That seems excessive.  And how much of that tax revenue will end up in some rich man's pocket.  It's just another bullshit scheme to make the rich richer.

If anything we should have free healthcare and use these unhealthy food taxes to help fund it and then I would be OK with it.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Las Vegas on June 19, 2016, 07:47:05 AM
A 24 pack of coke on sale is roughly $6.  The tax at 1.5 cents x 12 oz x 24 cans is $4.32.  That seems excessive.  And how much of that tax revenue will end up in some rich man's pocket.  It's just another bullshit scheme to make the rich richer.

If anything we should have free healthcare and use these unhealthy food taxes to help fund it and then I would be OK with it.

Good points.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 19, 2016, 07:49:08 AM
A 24 pack of coke on sale is roughly $6.  The tax at 1.5 cents x 12 oz x 24 cans is $4.32.  That seems excessive.  And how much of that tax revenue will end up in some rich man's pocket.  It's just another bullshit scheme to make the rich richer.

If anything we should have free healthcare and use these unhealthy food taxes to help fund it and then I would be OK with it.

Who cares if some fatso isn't gonna be able to drink as much Coke, I'd rather they levy taxes on junk that I don't buy (tobacco, soda) than something like gas
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 19, 2016, 08:38:46 AM
Answering a question with more questions.   ???   You should've been a politician.

 ::) I didn't answer a question with a question. I answered the question pretty thoroughly just a few posts above the post you quoted. If the poster I replied to disagrees, I am asking what specifically he disagrees with. The links he provided don't support what he said.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: efirkey on June 19, 2016, 10:27:06 AM
Who cares if some fatso isn't gonna be able to drink as much Coke, I'd rather they levy taxes on junk that I don't buy (tobacco, soda) than something like gas

Gas is highly taxed.  Gas hit a low of about $1.60 gallon here last winter and that was the absolute bottom it could go because of all the taxes on gas.

This tax will start on soda and then it will eventually be on all beverages and food on top of any taxes we already pay.  Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

And a lot of Americans are increasingly trying to survive on less and less money and adding another tax burden no matter how small it may appear will only make things worse.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 19, 2016, 02:23:26 PM
Gas is highly taxed.  Gas hit a low of about $1.60 gallon here last winter and that was the absolute bottom it could go because of all the taxes on gas.

This tax will start on soda and then it will eventually be on all beverages and food on top of any taxes we already pay.  Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

And a lot of Americans are increasingly trying to survive on less and less money and adding another tax burden no matter how small it may appear will only make things worse.

Well then maybe they can drink less soda if it's out of their budget.  It wont kill em

A tax on soda will raise extra money and reduce soda consumption in the general population.  I'm not for increased taxation but this one is pretty palatable
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: efirkey on June 19, 2016, 02:35:18 PM
Amazing all the non drinkers of soda are OK with this tax.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The Scott on June 19, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
It's like cigarette taxes.  They don't want anyone to quit because there's no money in that.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: drkaje on June 20, 2016, 04:38:17 AM
Amazing all the non drinkers of soda are OK with this tax.

People want to ban or tax anything they disagree with, LOL!
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: kh300 on June 20, 2016, 05:59:29 AM
I can't believe anyone is ok with this. Whats their reasoning? because its bad for you? OK so now we give them the right to tax anything thats 'bad' for us.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on June 20, 2016, 01:55:24 PM
I can't believe anyone is ok with this. Whats their reasoning? because its bad for you? OK so now we give them the right to tax anything thats 'bad' for us.

No reasoning...just another cash grab.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 20, 2016, 05:41:24 PM
I can't believe anyone is ok with this. Whats their reasoning? because its bad for you? OK so now we give them the right to tax anything thats 'bad' for us.
Thing is, its not even bad for anyone. 
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: drkaje on June 21, 2016, 03:39:51 AM
People affected by this Fat Tax probably aren't motivated enough to vote its promoters out of office.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: BodyMachine on June 21, 2016, 06:43:02 AM
Can we rally against *ucking taxes, government was mentioned to be small.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: drkaje on June 21, 2016, 06:55:16 AM
Can we rally against *ucking taxes, government was mentioned to be small.

It's hard to believe we're descended from people who lost their shit over a tea tax.

Now people want to biggest govt possible.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 21, 2016, 07:40:20 AM
We complain nonstop about how fat this country is getting but once they implement measures to curtail unhealthy public habits, that's no good either  ??? 

If anyone knows of a better way to influence public behaviors than targeted taxation, I'd love to hear it .... won't hold my breath though ::)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Tapeworm on June 21, 2016, 07:58:56 AM
We complain nonstop about how fat this country is getting but once they implement measures to curtail unhealthy public habits, that's no good either  ??? 

If anyone knows of a better way to influence public behaviors than targeted taxation, I'd love to hear it .... won't hold my breath though ::)

Shunning.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 21, 2016, 10:59:16 AM
Can we rally against *ucking taxes, government was mentioned to be small.

You've said this twice in this thread already. Are you doing something besides posting here? Organizing protests?  Contacting the mayor of philly? Starting a website, even?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 21, 2016, 12:07:49 PM
We complain nonstop about how fat this country is getting but once they implement measures to curtail unhealthy public habits, that's no good either  ??? 

If anyone knows of a better way to influence public behaviors than targeted taxation, I'd love to hear it .... won't hold my breath though ::)
How about we don't influence public behaviors and we damn sure don't charge the government with doing so.

If someone is fat or wants to be fat or is fat by choice, who gives a fuck.

Leave them alone.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: FREAKgeek on June 21, 2016, 12:30:13 PM
How about we don't influence public behaviors and we damn sure don't charge the government with doing so.

If someone is fat or wants to be fat or is fat by choice, who gives a fuck.

Leave them alone.


Wait a minute. We have nationalized healthcare, and obesity is super costly.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 21, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
How about we don't influence public behaviors and we damn sure don't charge the government with doing so.

If someone is fat or wants to be fat or is fat by choice, who gives a fuck.

Leave them alone.

The high consumption of soda is influenced by the government. Federal subsidies to the corn industry far exceed  the amount of money the philly tax could ever generate. At least the philly tax is a consumer tax as opposed to corporate welfare.

There are tons of issues on which the government should attempt to influence the public. That's always been the case. Health is one of those issues.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: drkaje on June 21, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
The high consumption of soda is influenced by the government. Federal subsidies to the corn industry far exceed  the amount of money the philly tax could ever generate. At least the philly tax is a consumer tax as opposed to corporate welfare.

There are tons of issues on which the government should attempt to influence the public. That's always been the case. Health is one of those issues.

Republicans won't admit subsidies to farmers are a form of welfare. :)
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Henda on June 21, 2016, 12:50:30 PM
We are getting the sugar tax ower here, now when I enjoy an occasional sugary drink I'll have to pay extra for it thanks to disgusting lazy fat bastards. Ne wonder I fucking hate fat people
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Thespritz0 on June 21, 2016, 12:55:51 PM
I'll enjoy a large Diet Pepsi while reading this thread...
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 21, 2016, 01:06:23 PM

Wait a minute. We have nationalized healthcare, and obesity is super costly.
We DO NOT have nationalized healthcare and its only costly because insurance companies are involved.  Obesity costs will not matter one bit if we went to a Single Payer system.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 21, 2016, 01:10:25 PM
The high consumption of soda is influenced by the government. Federal subsidies to the corn industry far exceed  the amount of money the philly tax could ever generate. At least the philly tax is a consumer tax as opposed to corporate welfare.

There are tons of issues on which the government should attempt to influence the public. That's always been the case. Health is one of those issues.
Shut the fuck up with your conspiracy bullshit.  Corn is essential for nearly every product in the grocery store as well as industrial applications, penicillin, Ethanol, Glue, Roofing Tar even and the list goes on and on.

Corn Syrup is also highly important and is no different than sugarcane.  Stop being a moron for once and educate yourself.  Shitbrain.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 21, 2016, 01:45:51 PM
Shut the fuck up with your conspiracy bullshit.  Corn is essential for nearly every product in the grocery store as well as industrial applications, penicillin, Ethanol, Glue, Roofing Tar even and the list goes on and on.

Corn Syrup is also highly important and is no different than sugarcane.  Stop being a moron for once and educate yourself.  Shitbrain.

 ::) Earlier in this thread, you stated that you thought a higher volume of business causes the price of raw ingredients to go UP. You're not in a position to call anyone shitbrain. You are one of the least informed posters around here. You've got an angry, know-it-all posting style, so I guess that helps you feel smart, but you aren't really capable of having an intelligent debate. If we actually got into specifics you would either bounce from the thread or copy and paste pages of irrelevant text  to hide the fact that what you are saying is nonsense. In the past we've debated and you've  posted studies that came to the opposite conclusion of what you claimed because you assumed no one would read them.  

Ethanol is the perfect example of the problems with corn subsidies.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 21, 2016, 01:58:07 PM
We DO NOT have nationalized healthcare and its only costly because insurance companies are involved.  Obesity costs will not matter one bit if we went to a Single Payer system.

Hope this helps.

Healthcare costs for the obese are far greater than for those with a healthy bodyweight.  These costs are borne by everyone--single payer insurance or not.  Accordingly, reasonable measures to reduce the rate of obesity in this country are in the best interest of everyone.

What is 'reasonable' is a matter of opinion of course, but apparently a $0.015/oz soda tax is too expensive for your average getbigger  :-[
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: drkaje on June 21, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
Healthcare costs for the obese are far greater than for those with a healthy bodyweight.  These costs are borne by everyone--single payer insurance or not.  Accordingly, reasonable measures to reduce the rate of obesity in this country are in the best interest of everyone.

What is 'reasonable' is a matter of opinion of course, but apparently a $0.015/oz soda tax is too expensive for your average getbigger  :-[

Have cigarette taxes decreased cancer incidence or its associated costs?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 21, 2016, 02:20:30 PM

 ::) Earlier in this thread, you stated that you thought a higher volume of business causes the price of raw ingredients to go UP. You're not in a position to call anyone shitbrain. You are one of the least informed posters around here. You've got an angry, know-it-all posting style, so I guess that helps you feel smart, but you aren't really capable of having an intelligent debate. If we actually got into specifics you would either bounce from the thread or copy and paste pages of irrelevant text  to hide the fact that what you are saying is nonsense. In the past we've debated and you've  posted studies that came to the opposite conclusion of what you claimed because you assumed no one would read them.  

Ethanol is the perfect example of the problems with corn subsidies.
You are nothing but a deranged liar who just made up a story.  Please post a link to the supposed debate in the past.

Moron.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 21, 2016, 03:06:59 PM
You are nothing but a deranged liar who just made up a story.  Please post a link to the supposed debate in the past.

Moron.

Here's one:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=588542.msg8340478#msg8340478


There have been at least 3. I think a few might have been deleted when you went on your race-baiting rampage.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 21, 2016, 03:11:31 PM
Here's one:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=588542.msg8340478#msg8340478


There have been at least 3. I think a few might have been deleted when you went on your race-baiting rampage.
Wonderful example of destroying your own "argument".  You clearly lost that one as anyone can see.

You just don't want to face facts and want to place blame everywhere else except where it truly lies.  You and your kind just want to make everyone else miserable and not really address the problem so you find a solution that punishes everyone in the hopes that it will target the few (which won't work because the solution is shit anyways).

You are a moron.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 21, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
Wonderful example of destroying your own "argument".  You clearly lost that one as anyone can see.

You just don't want to face facts and want to place blame on everywhere except where it truly lies.  You and your kind just want to make everyone else miserable and not really address the problem so you find a solution that punishes everyone in the hopes that it will target the few (which won't work because the solution is shit anyways).

You are a moron.

The entire argument is played out at the link. I'm not the only one who commented on you being wrong. You had to ignore the title of the freaking e paper to get to your conclusion.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 21, 2016, 03:58:24 PM
The entire argument is played out at the link. I'm not the only one who commented on you being wrong. You had to ignore the title of the freaking e paper to get to your conclusion.
No idea what you are talking about. 
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Andy Griffin on June 21, 2016, 04:20:39 PM
TA keeping it real in this thread.

Owning his performance and adding value at every turn.

Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Tapeworm on June 21, 2016, 04:31:25 PM

We have nationalized healthcare

Not so much.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: FREAKgeek on June 21, 2016, 04:37:13 PM
Not so much.

I'm not for it, but saying that fat people (obesity projected 42% by 2050) won't affect the money the government forces us into contract is wrong.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Tapeworm on June 21, 2016, 04:55:14 PM
I'm not for it, but saying that fat people (obesity projected 42% by 2050) won't affect the money the government forces us into contract is wrong.

They're a cost for sure, but everyone is sooner or later.  Some fat fuck with his cheesesteak having a well placed heart attack at 50 is probably less costly than a health obsessed vegan who lives to 100 having umpteen scans and microtumors removed every month for 30 years.

I see obesity as a symptom of mental illness.  All the fat people I know are fucked up in other ways.  Never met a whale who had his/her shit together and had a good life but just happened to be fat.  
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 21, 2016, 05:23:36 PM
They're a cost for sure, but everyone is sooner or later.  Some fat fuck with his cheesesteak having a well placed heart attack at 50 is probably less costly than a health obsessed vegan who lives to 100 having umpteen scans and microtumors removed every month for 30 years.

I see obesity as a symptom of mental illness.  All the fat people I know are fucked up in other ways.  Never met a whale who had his/her shit together and had a good life but just happened to be fat.  
What about Kim.com

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Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Andy Griffin on June 21, 2016, 05:24:56 PM
They're a cost for sure, but everyone is sooner or later.  Some fat fuck with his cheesesteak having a well placed heart attack at 50 is probably less costly than a health obsessed vegan who lives to 100 having umpteen scans and microtumors removed every month for 30 years.

I see obesity as a symptom of mental illness.  All the fat people I know are fucked up in other ways.  Never met a whale who had his/her shit together and had a good life but just happened to be fat.  

There is usually an inverse relationship between weight/BMI and FICO as well.

When a person's weight and FICO both equal 425, well it just cries out for a mercy killing.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 21, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
No idea what you are talking about. 

That's because you are a shitbrain... which goes back to what I was saying about you not having any room to call anyone a shitbrain.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Tapeworm on June 22, 2016, 07:09:42 AM
What about Kim.com


Or Jackie Gleason.  Or John 'Candy.'  Of course there are exceptions.  I was painting with a broad brush.  Painting fatties with a small brush takes too long.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 22, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
Or Jackie Gleason.  Or John 'Candy.'  Of course there are exceptions.  I was painting with a broad brush.  Painting fatties with a small brush takes too long.

I don't know. I've met plenty of fucked up skinny people, muscular people, tall, short, etc. As far as physical traits/condition being mental health indicators, I don't think weight says all that much.

I think the bigger issues with weight are that pleasurable food can trigger a pronounced physical response and the way we consume food is so situational. We can stress eat, social eat, recreational eat, etc.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 22, 2016, 01:39:35 PM
I don't know. I've met plenty of fucked up skinny people, muscular people, tall, short, etc. As far as physical traits/condition being mental health indicators, I don't think weight says all that much.

I think the bigger issues with weight are that pleasurable food can trigger a pronounced physical response and the way we consume food is so situational. We can stress eat, social eat, recreational eat, etc.
You can't cook worth a shit, what do you know?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 22, 2016, 03:08:22 PM
You can't cook worth a shit, what do you know?

I'm a pretty good cook, but my wife does most of the cooking. Besides, what does not knowing how to cook have to do with recognizing that people eat food and gain weight?   ???
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 22, 2016, 03:13:35 PM
Have cigarette taxes decreased cancer incidence or its associated costs?
Cigarette usage has been dropping for the last 30 years and is at its lowest recorded point.
Most types of lung cancers have been dropping, too.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Tapeworm on June 22, 2016, 03:49:42 PM
I don't know. I've met plenty of fucked up skinny people, muscular people, tall, short, etc. As far as physical traits/condition being mental health indicators, I don't think weight says all that much.

I think the bigger issues with weight are that pleasurable food can trigger a pronounced physical response and the way we consume food is so situational. We can stress eat, social eat, recreational eat, etc.

Sure.  I'm a complete fuck up.  But at least I'm not fat.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 22, 2016, 05:31:55 PM
Cigarette usage has been dropping for the last 30 years and is at its lowest recorded point.
Most types of lung cancers have been dropping, too.
Why do you want more people on this planet living longer and taking up valuable resources, increasing inflation, poverty and contributing to global warming and thus lowering the standard of living for everyone?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 22, 2016, 07:19:55 PM
Why do you want more people on this planet living longer and taking up valuable resources, increasing inflation, poverty and contributing to global warming and thus lowering the standard of living for everyone?

Then why don't you do the world a favor and kill yourself?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 23, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
Then why don't you do the world a favor and kill yourself?
You first, cupcake.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 23, 2016, 03:26:14 PM
You first, cupcake.


 ::) You are the one advocating shorter lifespans and smaller populations. In addition to being a weak comeback, it makes no sense.

There are no inconveniences in your life that would be solved by fewer people or shorter lifespans. Lackluster trolling.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: mr.turbo on June 23, 2016, 03:34:42 PM
when will TA withdraw his support for donald trump? 

carts are for hitching, minds are for a changing
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Andy Griffin on June 23, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
TA owning minds in this thread.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: V Man on June 23, 2016, 05:08:05 PM
Are they taxing Carbonated water as well?
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Mr Anabolic on June 23, 2016, 05:12:12 PM
Shut the fuck up with your conspiracy bullshit.  Corn is essential for nearly every product in the grocery store as well as industrial applications, penicillin, Ethanol, Glue, Roofing Tar even and the list goes on and on.

Corn Syrup is also highly important and is no different than sugarcane.  Stop being a moron for once and educate yourself.  Shitbrain.

Actually they are different.  The DE (dextrose equivalent) of standard corn syrup is around 42.  Longer chain carbs with lower DE's do not cause sharp insulin spikes like regular sugar does.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: Al Doggity on June 23, 2016, 05:22:00 PM
TA owning minds in this thread.

 ???  He's not even making coherent arguments. I'm still wondering why someone has to know how to cook to understand why people gain weight.
Title: Re: Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax
Post by: The True Adonis on June 23, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
Actually they are different.  The DE (dextrose equivalent) of standard corn syrup is around 42.  Longer chain carbs with lower DE's do not cause sharp insulin spikes like regular sugar does.
Tell you what cream puff, I will eat all the HFCS I want and remain in single digits while you struggle being 20 plus percent.  Enjoy that misery.