Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax

[The True Adonis]

Wait a minute. We have nationalized healthcare, and obesity is super costly.

We DO NOT have nationalized healthcare and its only costly because insurance companies are involved.  Obesity costs will not matter one bit if we went to a Single Payer system.

Hope this helps.

[The True Adonis]

The high consumption of soda is influenced by the government. Federal subsidies to the corn industry far exceed  the amount of money the philly tax could ever generate. At least the philly tax is a consumer tax as opposed to corporate welfare.

There are tons of issues on which the government should attempt to influence the public. That's always been the case. Health is one of those issues.

Shut the fuck up with your conspiracy bullshit.  Corn is essential for nearly every product in the grocery store as well as industrial applications, penicillin, Ethanol, Glue, Roofing Tar even and the list goes on and on.

Corn Syrup is also highly important and is no different than sugarcane.  Stop being a moron for once and educate yourself.  Shitbrain.

[Al Doggity]

Shut the fuck up with your conspiracy bullshit.  Corn is essential for nearly every product in the grocery store as well as industrial applications, penicillin, Ethanol, Glue, Roofing Tar even and the list goes on and on.

Corn Syrup is also highly important and is no different than sugarcane.  Stop being a moron for once and educate yourself.  Shitbrain.

  Earlier in this thread, you stated that you thought a higher volume of business causes the price of raw ingredients to go UP. You're not in a position to call anyone shitbrain. You are one of the least informed posters around here. You've got an angry, know-it-all posting style, so I guess that helps you feel smart, but you aren't really capable of having an intelligent debate. If we actually got into specifics you would either bounce from the thread or copy and paste pages of irrelevant text  to hide the fact that what you are saying is nonsense. In the past we've debated and you've  posted studies that came to the opposite conclusion of what you claimed because you assumed no one would read them.  

Ethanol is the perfect example of the problems with corn subsidies.

[ProudVirgin69]

We DO NOT have nationalized healthcare and its only costly because insurance companies are involved.  Obesity costs will not matter one bit if we went to a Single Payer system.

Hope this helps.

Healthcare costs for the obese are far greater than for those with a healthy bodyweight.  These costs are borne by everyone--single payer insurance or not.  Accordingly, reasonable measures to reduce the rate of obesity in this country are in the best interest of everyone.

What is 'reasonable' is a matter of opinion of course, but apparently a $0.015/oz soda tax is too expensive for your average getbigger 

[drkaje]

Healthcare costs for the obese are far greater than for those with a healthy bodyweight.  These costs are borne by everyone--single payer insurance or not.  Accordingly, reasonable measures to reduce the rate of obesity in this country are in the best interest of everyone.

What is 'reasonable' is a matter of opinion of course, but apparently a $0.015/oz soda tax is too expensive for your average getbigger 

Have cigarette taxes decreased cancer incidence or its associated costs?

[The True Adonis]

  Earlier in this thread, you stated that you thought a higher volume of business causes the price of raw ingredients to go UP. You're not in a position to call anyone shitbrain. You are one of the least informed posters around here. You've got an angry, know-it-all posting style, so I guess that helps you feel smart, but you aren't really capable of having an intelligent debate. If we actually got into specifics you would either bounce from the thread or copy and paste pages of irrelevant text  to hide the fact that what you are saying is nonsense. In the past we've debated and you've  posted studies that came to the opposite conclusion of what you claimed because you assumed no one would read them.  

Ethanol is the perfect example of the problems with corn subsidies.

You are nothing but a deranged liar who just made up a story.  Please post a link to the supposed debate in the past.

Moron.

[Al Doggity]

You are nothing but a deranged liar who just made up a story.  Please post a link to the supposed debate in the past.

Moron.

Here's one:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=588542.msg8340478#msg8340478


There have been at least 3. I think a few might have been deleted when you went on your race-baiting rampage.

[The True Adonis]

Here's one:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=588542.msg8340478#msg8340478


There have been at least 3. I think a few might have been deleted when you went on your race-baiting rampage.

Wonderful example of destroying your own "argument".  You clearly lost that one as anyone can see.

You just don't want to face facts and want to place blame everywhere else except where it truly lies.  You and your kind just want to make everyone else miserable and not really address the problem so you find a solution that punishes everyone in the hopes that it will target the few (which won't work because the solution is shit anyways).

You are a moron.

[Al Doggity]

Wonderful example of destroying your own "argument".  You clearly lost that one as anyone can see.

You just don't want to face facts and want to place blame on everywhere except where it truly lies.  You and your kind just want to make everyone else miserable and not really address the problem so you find a solution that punishes everyone in the hopes that it will target the few (which won't work because the solution is shit anyways).

You are a moron.

The entire argument is played out at the link. I'm not the only one who commented on you being wrong. You had to ignore the title of the freaking e paper to get to your conclusion.

[The True Adonis]

The entire argument is played out at the link. I'm not the only one who commented on you being wrong. You had to ignore the title of the freaking e paper to get to your conclusion.

No idea what you are talking about. 

[Andy Griffin]

TA keeping it real in this thread.

Owning his performance and adding value at every turn.

[Tapeworm]

We have nationalized healthcare

Not so much.

[FREAKgeek]

Not so much.

I'm not for it, but saying that fat people (obesity projected 42% by 2050) won't affect the money the government forces us into contract is wrong.

[Tapeworm]

I'm not for it, but saying that fat people (obesity projected 42% by 2050) won't affect the money the government forces us into contract is wrong.

They're a cost for sure, but everyone is sooner or later.  Some fat fuck with his cheesesteak having a well placed heart attack at 50 is probably less costly than a health obsessed vegan who lives to 100 having umpteen scans and microtumors removed every month for 30 years.

I see obesity as a symptom of mental illness.  All the fat people I know are fucked up in other ways.  Never met a whale who had his/her shit together and had a good life but just happened to be fat.  

[The True Adonis]

They're a cost for sure, but everyone is sooner or later.  Some fat fuck with his cheesesteak having a well placed heart attack at 50 is probably less costly than a health obsessed vegan who lives to 100 having umpteen scans and microtumors removed every month for 30 years.

I see obesity as a symptom of mental illness.  All the fat people I know are fucked up in other ways.  Never met a whale who had his/her shit together and had a good life but just happened to be fat.  

What about Kim.com

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[Andy Griffin]

They're a cost for sure, but everyone is sooner or later.  Some fat fuck with his cheesesteak having a well placed heart attack at 50 is probably less costly than a health obsessed vegan who lives to 100 having umpteen scans and microtumors removed every month for 30 years.

I see obesity as a symptom of mental illness.  All the fat people I know are fucked up in other ways.  Never met a whale who had his/her shit together and had a good life but just happened to be fat.  

There is usually an inverse relationship between weight/BMI and FICO as well.

When a person's weight and FICO both equal 425, well it just cries out for a mercy killing.

[Al Doggity]

No idea what you are talking about. 

That's because you are a shitbrain... which goes back to what I was saying about you not having any room to call anyone a shitbrain.

[Tapeworm]

What about Kim.com

Or Jackie Gleason.  Or John 'Candy.'  Of course there are exceptions.  I was painting with a broad brush.  Painting fatties with a small brush takes too long.

[Al Doggity]

Or Jackie Gleason.  Or John 'Candy.'  Of course there are exceptions.  I was painting with a broad brush.  Painting fatties with a small brush takes too long.

I don't know. I've met plenty of fucked up skinny people, muscular people, tall, short, etc. As far as physical traits/condition being mental health indicators, I don't think weight says all that much.

I think the bigger issues with weight are that pleasurable food can trigger a pronounced physical response and the way we consume food is so situational. We can stress eat, social eat, recreational eat, etc.

[The True Adonis]

I don't know. I've met plenty of fucked up skinny people, muscular people, tall, short, etc. As far as physical traits/condition being mental health indicators, I don't think weight says all that much.

I think the bigger issues with weight are that pleasurable food can trigger a pronounced physical response and the way we consume food is so situational. We can stress eat, social eat, recreational eat, etc.

You can't cook worth a shit, what do you know?

[Al Doggity]

You can't cook worth a shit, what do you know?

I'm a pretty good cook, but my wife does most of the cooking. Besides, what does not knowing how to cook have to do with recognizing that people eat food and gain weight?  

[Al Doggity]

Have cigarette taxes decreased cancer incidence or its associated costs?

Cigarette usage has been dropping for the last 30 years and is at its lowest recorded point.
Most types of lung cancers have been dropping, too.

[Tapeworm]

I don't know. I've met plenty of fucked up skinny people, muscular people, tall, short, etc. As far as physical traits/condition being mental health indicators, I don't think weight says all that much.

I think the bigger issues with weight are that pleasurable food can trigger a pronounced physical response and the way we consume food is so situational. We can stress eat, social eat, recreational eat, etc.

Sure.  I'm a complete fuck up.  But at least I'm not fat.

[The True Adonis]

Cigarette usage has been dropping for the last 30 years and is at its lowest recorded point.
Most types of lung cancers have been dropping, too.

Why do you want more people on this planet living longer and taking up valuable resources, increasing inflation, poverty and contributing to global warming and thus lowering the standard of living for everyone?

[Al Doggity]

Why do you want more people on this planet living longer and taking up valuable resources, increasing inflation, poverty and contributing to global warming and thus lowering the standard of living for everyone?

Then why don't you do the world a favor and kill yourself?