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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html
Paedophilia is a “sexual orientation” like being straight or gay, according to a criminal psychologist.
The idea that sexual attraction to children is an “orientation” is highly controversial as it suggests that offenders cannot change.
But, writing on the Reddit networking website, the psychologist said it was possible to treat child sex abusers on “the understanding that the attraction may always remain”.
The psychologist set up the “ask me anything” thread on Reddit. Their identity was not revealed but was verified by the website.
Asked “can paedophiles actually change?”, the expert wrote: “I believe Paedophilic Disorder is a sexual orientation with individual that are attracted to child features. In other words, an individual with paedophilia has the same ingrained attraction that a heterosexual female may feel towards a male, or a homosexual feels towards their same gender.
“With that being said, it needs to be said that sexuality is more of a spectrum than a finite category. We know that heterosexuals may engage in homosexual behaviour, and deny they are bisexual or homosexual.
We know that individuals with paedophilia may engage in sexual behaviour with adults. For some, they may use this as a cognitive distortion to explain away their sexualisation of prepubescent children.”
However the psychologist stressed in a later edit that they had not mean to imply paedophiles could not be treated – to an extent.
“Treatment, to me, isn’t about modifying the orientation per se, but getting the individual to find more appropriate behaviours to engage in,” they wrote.
“An individual can have paedophilic interests without ever acting on these behaviourally. However, as I am working with criminal offenders, my experience is entirely weighted to those who have engaged in this behaviourally.”
The psychiatrist said they focused on three main areas when trying to treat a child sex abuser: “One, do you understand who can and can't provide consent? How will you go through and identify this? Two, can you identify the risks or situations which would increase when you engage in sexual activity with someone who can't provide consent? How can you avoid these or limit them? Three, what can you focus on positive in your life which can replace or mitigate when you may be most likely to offend? What are some things you can do which are adaptive and help you in the long run?”
In May 2015, research from the National Crime Agency suggested 250,000 men in the UK could be considered "true paedophiles" - adults who are attracted to pre-pubescent girls less than 12 years old.
Talking to The Independent in the wake of the research, one psychologist working said they should be treated as victims rather than offenders.
“It is a disease, it is a trait, it is not a choice. They haven’t chosen to change, but they can learn how to live responsibly with their sexual desires," Petya Schuhmann, who works with a scheme in Germany called Project Dunkelfeld, which allows individuals to anonymously contact therapists who help them control their sexual urges towards children.
Last year, a self-confessed paedophile, Todd Nickerson, a freelance graphic designer from Tennessee, caused uproar after writing an article asking people to be understanding of his "sexual orientation".
Called I'm a paedophile, you're the monsters, the piece explained how he believed his molestation as a child was the reason he is now sexually attracted to young girls. He also mentioned his membership of the "Virtuous Paedophiles" forum - an online community of paedohpiles who have vowed never to act on their sexual urges.
In July 2010, the Harvard Mental Health Letter of July 2010 stated that "paedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges".
The idea of treating paedophilia as a disease has long been controversial.
In 2013, Donald Finklater, of the child protection charity the Lucy Faithfull Foundation, said: "There may be some vulnerabilities that could be genetic, but normally there are some significant events in a person's life, a sexually abusive event, a bullying environment … I believe it is learned, and can be unlearned."
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I'm with you wiggs, I've seen this coming for years. Sadly it looks like it will be here far sooner than I imagined.
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whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime. Children are unable to give consent.
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Paedophilia is not a crime......molesting a child is.
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whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime. Children are unable to give consent.
Finally I agree with Tom fogarty.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html
Paedophilia is a “sexual orientation” like being straight or gay, according to a criminal psychologist.
The idea that sexual attraction to children is an “orientation” is highly controversial as it suggests that offenders cannot change.
But, writing on the Reddit networking website, the psychologist said it was possible to treat child sex abusers on “the understanding that the attraction may always remain”.
The psychologist set up the “ask me anything” thread on Reddit. Their identity was not revealed but was verified by the website.
Asked “can paedophiles actually change?”, the expert wrote: “I believe Paedophilic Disorder is a sexual orientation with individual that are attracted to child features. In other words, an individual with paedophilia has the same ingrained attraction that a heterosexual female may feel towards a male, or a homosexual feels towards their same gender.
“With that being said, it needs to be said that sexuality is more of a spectrum than a finite category. We know that heterosexuals may engage in homosexual behaviour, and deny they are bisexual or homosexual.
We know that individuals with paedophilia may engage in sexual behaviour with adults. For some, they may use this as a cognitive distortion to explain away their sexualisation of prepubescent children.”
However the psychologist stressed in a later edit that they had not mean to imply paedophiles could not be treated – to an extent.
“Treatment, to me, isn’t about modifying the orientation per se, but getting the individual to find more appropriate behaviours to engage in,” they wrote.
“An individual can have paedophilic interests without ever acting on these behaviourally. However, as I am working with criminal offenders, my experience is entirely weighted to those who have engaged in this behaviourally.”
The psychiatrist said they focused on three main areas when trying to treat a child sex abuser: “One, do you understand who can and can't provide consent? How will you go through and identify this? Two, can you identify the risks or situations which would increase when you engage in sexual activity with someone who can't provide consent? How can you avoid these or limit them? Three, what can you focus on positive in your life which can replace or mitigate when you may be most likely to offend? What are some things you can do which are adaptive and help you in the long run?”
In May 2015, research from the National Crime Agency suggested 250,000 men in the UK could be considered "true paedophiles" - adults who are attracted to pre-pubescent girls less than 12 years old.
Talking to The Independent in the wake of the research, one psychologist working said they should be treated as victims rather than offenders.
“It is a disease, it is a trait, it is not a choice. They haven’t chosen to change, but they can learn how to live responsibly with their sexual desires," Petya Schuhmann, who works with a scheme in Germany called Project Dunkelfeld, which allows individuals to anonymously contact therapists who help them control their sexual urges towards children.
Last year, a self-confessed paedophile, Todd Nickerson, a freelance graphic designer from Tennessee, caused uproar after writing an article asking people to be understanding of his "sexual orientation".
Called I'm a paedophile, you're the monsters, the piece explained how he believed his molestation as a child was the reason he is now sexually attracted to young girls. He also mentioned his membership of the "Virtuous Paedophiles" forum - an online community of paedohpiles who have vowed never to act on their sexual urges.
In July 2010, the Harvard Mental Health Letter of July 2010 stated that "paedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges".
The idea of treating paedophilia as a disease has long been controversial.
In 2013, Donald Finklater, of the child protection charity the Lucy Faithfull Foundation, said: "There may be some vulnerabilities that could be genetic, but normally there are some significant events in a person's life, a sexually abusive event, a bullying environment … I believe it is learned, and can be unlearned."
as my fellow gbers pointed out..its still and always will be illegal. of course its an orientation. they are attracted to kids, their brain was wired oddly. they dont choose to get hard when thinking of a baby. it just happens, unfortunately, for all involved
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Paedophilia is not a crime......molesting a child is.
So says the children's doctor
Fixed
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Dailymail UK might be on par with Washington Post.
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Liberalism is mental illness.
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This doesn't equate. Does it also suggest, bestiality and necrophilia are sexual orientations? A line needs to be drawn somewhere and soon.
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whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime. Children are unable to give consent.
I could be mistaken, but I believe Hebrew Wiggs is saying it will be made legal eventually if we continue down the path we are going.
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Peadophile is a fucking disease and the cure is put to fucking death, this filthy shit needs to be wiped off the face of the planet, even more so than muslims
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Peadophile is a fucking disease and the cure is put to fucking death, this filthy shit needs to be wiped off the face of the planet, even more so than muslims
Unfortunately, in the near future, you might be accused of being an intolerant bigot for saying such things.
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in 50 years it will be acceptable and allowed to bang animals and marry them.
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This topic should get 3 to 4 pages. Pedo threads seem to do well on here.
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in 50 years it will be acceptable and allowed to bang animals and marry them.
sweet! i call dibs on Betsy the cow!
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whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime. Children are unable to give consent.
This.
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This topic should get 3 to 4 pages. Pedo threads seem to do well on here.
Good point. It is a topic most people have strong opinions about.
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whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime. Children are unable to give consent.
And frighteningly enough all that needs is a bill through Parliament to change.
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whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime. Children are unable to give consent.
And yet there are underage prostitutes who are more 'worldly' than some adults. According to the media, many of these 'kids' who are abandoned by their parents, have no other means of supporting themselves. Others are runaways, some with drug habits to support. While I believe sex with minors should remain illegal, one cannot completely ignore the realities of survival in a cruel and often corrupt world.
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Survival of the shittest
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in 50 years it will be acceptable and allowed to bang animals and marry them.
Jerry Springer was doing this on TV 20 years ago...
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And yet there are underage prostitutes who are more 'worldly' than some adults. According to the media, many of these 'kids' who are abandoned by their parents, have no other means of supporting themselves. Others are runaways, some with drug habits to support. While I believe sex with minors should remain illegal, one cannot completely ignore the realities of survival in a cruel and often corrupt world.
Paedophillia is usually defined as pre-pubescent. Age of consent is a different topic. Not too long ago, some states in the US had age of consent for girls at 13. Most will agree that is too low. Now pretty much everywhere in the US age of consent is 18. That's a bit high, as a large number of 16 year olds are sexually active.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#/media/File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg
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the psychologist said it was possible to treat child sex abusers on “the understanding that the attraction may always remain”.
I agree 100% with the qualification that the 'treatment' should be quick, cheap and permanent.
Picture this - molestor goes to doctor - 'I have a bad case of wanting to bugger children'
Doctor - 'most unfortunate. Take one of these orally just before bedtime tonight' and passes him a bullet.
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Gender is a social construct while sexual orientation is genetic.
Yeah...... >:(
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I could be mistaken, but I believe Hebrew Wiggs is saying it will be made legal eventually if we continue down the path we are going.
Yes, that's it.
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All started with legalizing gay marriage.
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This doesn't equate. Does it also suggest, bestiality and necrophilia are sexual orientations?
A line needs to be drawn somewhere and soon.
Agreed.
Only it should of been drawn a while ago.
To much weirdo Stuff already allowed.
Sadly it looks likely there is no going back & the weirdo - Mental illness - Deviantes
Will just get more & more stuff accepted.
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All started with legalizing gay marriage.
Agreed.
Once one Weido / perversion is deemed acceptable
All the other Weido / perverts start banging a drum
To be understood & accepted.
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Ok... so if people claim that they were molested as children and that turned them into pedophiles then how do you explain the people who have sex with animals?
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This doesn't equate. Does it also suggest, bestiality and necrophilia are sexual orientations? A line needs to be drawn somewhere and soon.
The only line that needs to be drawn is the firing line. Pedo is immoral, Best is even more nasty.
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This stuff cannot last.
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All started with legalizing gay marriage.
;D ;D ;D ::)
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All started with legalizing gay marriage.
That's not true because they are not related and, there isn't anything immoral about same-sex marriage. In fact, same-sex unions were common in the ancient world before the Abrahamic religions hijacked this practice in case you think same-sex unions are a new thing.
And I don't think pedophilia will ever be accepted in society because kids can't consent. It's common sense that kids are neither physically nor psychologically prepared for these matters.
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Yes he's probably right. I don't think paedos choose to be attracted to children it's just how they're wired.
This is why the punishment needs to much harsher than it currently is. If it's an instinctual urge within these people to abuse children the only way to reduce the likelihood of them acting on these urges is to make the potential cost severely outweigh the reward.
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Gay orientation, marriage has nothing to do with pedo. In fact statistically pedo offenders appear to be much more likely to be 'straight'. Also the only thing immoral about pedo crap is that it exploits and destroys lives. I dont give a fook what people think or fantasize about as long as it doesnt hurt others and I dont have to hear about it. The line already exists legally. So doesnt matter whether its a matter of nature or nurture - its illegal and just plain wrong for obvious reasons of consent etc. We are in fact far more intolerant of it now than historically when pedo behaviour was quite acceptable particularly for elites. But absolutey agree - we do not extend to these offenders the harshness which we most surely should. Rape or similar of a child should be a capital crime.
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That's not true because they are not related and, there isn't anything immoral about same-sex marriage. In fact, same-sex unions were common in the ancient world before the Abrahamic religions hijacked this practice in case you think same-sex unions are a new thing.
And I don't think pedophilia will ever be accepted in society because kids can't consent. It's common sense that kids are neither physically nor psychologically prepared for these matters.
Have you ever made a posting without the gay agenda in mind?
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And I don't think pedophilia will ever be accepted in society because kids can't consent. It's common sense that kids are neither physically nor psychologically prepared for these matters.
It was already accepted in society in ancient Greece, you know, the enlightened, intellectual, original secular society that first gave us Democracy? It wasn't only accepted, it was encouraged.
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It was already accepted in society in ancient Greece, you know, the enlightened, intellectual, original secular society that first gave us Democracy? It wasn't only accepted, it was encouraged.
In that same time heterosexual marriage was also accepted, can we now make a connection between heterosexual marriage and pedophilia?
There is not a link or relation between same-sex marriage and pedophilia. This silly argument is usually brought up by religious people, but has not base. This is your typical slippery slope fallacy. There is nothing immoral about same-sex marriage so there is no rational justification to equate both.
As I said before, it is common sense that pedophilia will not be accepted because kids cannot consent, they are not prepared physically and psychologically for this type of relationships. It's impossible in a world that tries to perfect its sense of right and wrong with science.
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Gay orientation, marriage has nothing to do with pedo. In fact statistically pedo offenders appear to be much more likely to be 'straight'.
This is no surprise since they are far more straight men than gay men around. Does anyone know what the sexual orientation of pedophile offenders are as a percentage?
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In that same time heterosexual marriage was also accepted, can we now make a connection between heterosexual marriage and pedophilia?
There is not a link or relation between same-sex marriage and pedophilia. This silly argument is usually brought up by religious people, but has not base. This is your typical slippery slope fallacy. There is nothing immoral about same-sex marriage so there is no rational justification to equate both.
As I said before, it is common sense that pedophilia will not be accepted because kids cannot consent, they are not prepared physically and psychologically for this type of relationships. It's impossible in a world that tries to perfect its sense of right and wrong with science.
Which is so odd since the bible seems to be all about pedophilia.
Child bride Mary was 12 when she had Jesus,
Lot offered his kid daughters to save the angels in Sodom.
judges 21:20-23
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
Numbers 31:1-18
Judges 21:7-11
Exodus 21:7-10
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This doesn't equate. Does it also suggest, bestiality and necrophilia are sexual orientations? A line needs to be drawn somewhere and soon.
That's the problem - the far-Left that has hijacked the West wants to blur those lines as much as possible. Subsequently, the article that that Todd Nickerson freak penned was published by Salon.
Brace for impact.
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This is terrible
But the constant reporting on pedophilia over the past decade has "normalised" it.
These articles have been popping up every now and then to spark public interest/discussion.
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In that same time heterosexual marriage was also accepted, can we now make a connection between heterosexual marriage and pedophilia?
There is not a link or relation between same-sex marriage and pedophilia. This silly argument is usually brought up by religious people, but has not base. This is your typical slippery slope fallacy. There is nothing immoral about same-sex marriage so there is no rational justification to equate both.
As I said before, it is common sense that pedophilia will not be accepted because kids cannot consent, they are not prepared physically and psychologically for this type of relationships. It's impossible in a world that tries to perfect its sense of right and wrong with science.
I haven't made any connection between gay marriage and pedophilia. And I haven't made any religious arguments. Where did you get that from? Not from me.
You said "I don't think pedophilia will ever be accepted in society"
And to that I replied that it was already accepted in society in ancient Greece, the enlightened, intellectual, original secular society that first gave us Democracy. It wasn't only accepted, it was encouraged.
You're entitled to your thoughts and opinions. It may never be accepted again in Western society, then again, it might be. I'm hoping for never again.
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Can't wait for 2025, when coming out pedo is rewarded and associated with bravery.
By technical terms, dating way back...people have always been pedo...it's just the laws have changed people's mind set. Even in modern society...plenty of other countries are fine with younger ages.
I recommend anyone with a statutory rape charge on their hands as the above on day one in court. You'll do well. ;)
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This doesn't equate. Does it also suggest, bestiality and necrophilia are sexual orientations? A line needs to be drawn somewhere and soon.
There was a line, you repulsive moron, and its already been crossed.
Men rectum fucking other men, boys or dogs…. are all demonstrations of absurd sexual perversion, and fundamentally 'immoral'.
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This is terrible
But the constant reporting on pedophilia over the past decade has "normalised" it.
These articles have been popping up every now and then to spark public interest/discussion.
so you don't want it reported?
you're probably a paedo yourself in that case.
that it's being reported so much more nowadays is a good thing. in the past it was no doubt happening just as much but it was kept hush hush and victims were more afraid of coming forward.
it just goes to show how many sick bstards are out there
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spot on here they can't help they way they think but they can help acting on it.
Yes he's probably right. I don't think paedos choose to be attracted to children it's just how they're wired.
This is why the punishment needs to much harsher than it currently is. If it's an instinctual urge within these people to abuse children the only way to reduce the likelihood of them acting on these urges is to make the potential cost severely outweigh the reward.
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so you don't want it reported?
you're probably a paedo yourself in that case.
that it's being reported so much more nowadays is a good thing. in the past it was no doubt happening just as much but it was kept hush hush and victims were more afraid of coming forward.
it just goes to show how many sick bstards are out there
I meant sensationalist news reporting in the media
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I haven't made any connection between gay marriage and pedophilia. And I haven't made any religious arguments. Where did you get that from? Not from me.
You said "I don't think pedophilia will ever be accepted in society"
And to that I replied that it was already accepted in society in ancient Greece, the enlightened, intellectual, original secular society that first gave us Democracy. It wasn't only accepted, it was encouraged.
You're entitled to your thoughts and opinions. It may never be accepted again in Western society, then again, it might be. I'm hoping for never again.
I said that same-sex marriage was a common practice in the ancient world to correct the assumption that same-sex marriage is a new thing that is being allowed today. No, same-sex marriage predates written history for thousands of years. Marriage itself is so old that it is impossible to know when humans began to practise it.
The rhetoric I'm reading here is both the slippery slope fallacy (we now have same-sex marriage legalised, what's next, pedophilia?) and the strategy of vilifying same-sex marriage by equating it with pedophilia to make same-sex marriage look like bad thing even though both are not related and there is nothing immoral about same-sex marriages. I inferred there was a second reading in your reply based on the second strategy I mentioned. I may have misinterpreted the intention in your reply.
I am not a scientist but you could talk with a pediatrician and a psychologist and they can vastly provide you with scientific evidence that kids are not physically and psychologically developed to engage in these matters with adults, they simply cannot consent and understand. This is why I think it is impossible that pedophilia could ever be accepted in a society that uses science to perfect its sense of right and wrong in order to make society better. It's not going to happen.
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I am not a scientist but you could talk with a pediatrician and a psychologist and they can vastly provide you with scientific evidence that kids are not physically and psychologically developed to engage in these matters with adults, they simply cannot consent and understand. This is why I think it is impossible that pedophilia could ever be accepted in a society that uses science to perfect its sense of right and wrong in order to make society better. It's not going to happen.
I don't need a doctor or a scientist to tell me that a child can't be a consenting adult. Do you?
And no, that wouldn't stop society from accepting this perversion. Are you saying everything society accepts today is logical and scientifically proven?
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I don't need a doctor or a scientist to tell me that a child can't be a consenting adult. Do you?
And no, that wouldn't stop society from accepting this perversion. Are you saying everything society accepts today is logical and scientifically proven?
well when you look at your situation with gun control you probably have a point there
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Why is living in Philadelphia make you straight or gay?
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Fixed
This is a serious topic with a serious post from me.
Don't make yourself a complete fool by reacting like this on all my posts.
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At what age is pedophilia not pedophilia? In some countries puberty is the age but of course a young 12 year old is not ready. But I remember when I was 13 and 14. Some of these chicks were hornier than shit. I would get my dick sucked and fingerbang all sorts of chicks in 8th and 9th grade.
a couple weeks back I see this chick in the distance. About 5' 9" knee high boots, short black skirt, tight 3/4 length tank top on, long blonde hair, nice tits. I was like HOLY FUCK! I thought she was about 20. Turns out she was 13. WTF! Why does a 13 year old look like she's in her 20's? She can easily fool any dude into fucking her by saying she's 18-21 and they wouldn't know.
Apparently the average age for girls to hit puberty has gone down in the last couple decades. Mostly from chemicals in food. I think it used to be 13 and now they say 11. In Mexico is 10. This world is fucked.
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These threads always reveal the creeps and perverts. Coming out with their arguments like pedophilia in history, philosophical questions of consent, menarch as a natural determinant of sexual readiness and any other rationale.
Its really quite simple, don't sexually pursue youth. Don't accept their sexual advances. Just be a good human being. You don't even need religiousity to be decent to the sons and daughters of fathers and mothers.
Its just human decency, the state may define age of consent. Its there for good reason, its not something to be questioned, nonconformed to and detested just a defiance of state powers. Its about human decency, its about not putting your sexual organs near the youth.
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These threads always reveal the creeps and perverts. Coming out with their arguments like pedophilia in history, philosophical questions of consent, menarch as a natural determinant of sexual readiness and any other rationale.
This ^^^^^
Well said.
Ha a few have already exposed themselves.
Trying to justify Weirdo / perverted Behaviour.
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These threads always reveal the creeps and perverts. Coming out with their arguments like pedophilia in history, philosophical questions of consent, menarch as a natural determinant of sexual readiness and any other rationale.
Its really quite simple, don't sexually pursue youth. Don't accept their sexual advances. Just be a good human being. You don't even need religiousity to be decent to the sons and daughters of fathers and mothers.
Its just human decency, the state may define age of consent. Its there for good reason, its not something to be questioned, nonconformed to and detested just a defiance of state powers. Its about human decency, its about not putting your sexual organs near the youth.
Please define what "be a good human being" is. Don't spout religious shit to define it. Humans created the rules about not fucking youth, but nature defines it by puberty. In any species other than humans, once the female has her first period she is already popping out babies. Humans made it taboo. Why is that?
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Please define what "be a good human being" is. Don't spout religious shit to define it. Humans created the rules about not fucking youth, but nature defines it by puberty. In any species other than humans, once the female has her first period she is already popping out babies. Humans made it taboo. Why is that?
We recognize that sexuality involves a huge emotional component.
We recognize that even though sexual development occurs at young age, pre frontal cortex development occurs post-adolescence. We recognize that the pre frontal cortex is responsible for logical thought and reasoning.
We recognize that an abundance of sexual hormones in conjunction with the heightened activity and growth of the amygdala (emotional decision making) leaves adolescence vulnerable. This can lead to life changing, irrational decisions which adults should not be ready and willing to take advantage of, especially when that may not be in the youth's best interest.
To take a youth's virginity and/or innocence (fresh oxytocin receptors) in the name of fleeting lust is coarse and unnecessary. If its love then it will stand the test of time.
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We recognize that sexuality involves a huge emotional component. We recognize that even though sexual development occurs at young age, pre frontal cortex development occurs post-adolescence. We recognize that the pre frontal cortex is responsible for logical thought and reasoning. We recognize that an abundance of sexual hormones in conjunction with the heightened activity and growth of the amygdala (emotional decision making) leaves adolescence vulnerable. This can lead to life changing decisions which adults should not be ready and willing to take advantage of, especially when that may not be in the youth's best interest. To take a youth's virginity and/or innocence (fresh oxytocin receptors for one) in the name of fleeting lust is coarse and unnecessary. If its love then it will stand the test of time.
I sense you are overthinking things.
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I sense you are overthinking things.
If there is anything that should be overthought, if there is anything worth standing for, it is the defense of youth.
The acceptance and proliferation of pedophilia will be a sad symptom of western decadence. A mark of the decline of a civilization.
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If there is anything that should be overthought, if there is anything worth standing for, it is the defense of youth.
The acceptance and proliferation of pedophilia will be a sad symptom of western decadence. A mark of the decline of a civilization.
(https://framasphere.org/camo/01e84003edf0731a70f6dfd2c33c9b38ac312567/68747470733a2f2f33312e6d656469612e74756d626c722e636f6d2f63306435323232666163616663313638643034393530383135316531373731612f74756d626c725f6e713075653833334c43317278703334756f315f3430302e676966)
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Which is so odd since the bible seems to be all about pedophilia.
Child bride Mary was 12 when she had Jesus,
Lot offered his kid daughters to save the angels in Sodom.
judges 21:20-23
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
Numbers 31:1-18
Judges 21:7-11
Exodus 21:7-10
Tell me if you know, what was the average life span for humans male and female at that time? What was the rate of deaths during infancy? My guess is all things considered, Mary having a child at 12 years of age was probably the norm, meaning that women were not thought of as children during the time of Christ.
Note: The extended fantastical lifespans talked about in the Old Testament should be discounted, since this isn't proven and it is highly unlikely people lived for hundreds of years at that time.
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There was a line, you repulsive moron, and its already been crossed.
Men rectum fucking other men, boys or dogs…. are all demonstrations of absurd sexual perversion, and fundamentally 'immoral'.
Those lines likely never existed and therefore your examples are irrelevant.
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We recognize that sexuality involves a huge emotional component.
We recognize that even though sexual development occurs at young age, pre frontal cortex development occurs post-adolescence. We recognize that the pre frontal cortex is responsible for logical thought and reasoning.
We recognize that an abundance of sexual hormones in conjunction with the heightened activity and growth of the amygdala (emotional decision making) leaves adolescence vulnerable. This can lead to life changing, irrational decisions which adults should not be ready and willing to take advantage of, especially when that may not be in the youth's best interest.
To take a youth's virginity and/or innocence (fresh oxytocin receptors) in the name of fleeting lust is coarse and unnecessary. If its love then it will stand the test of time.
you sound more like a paedo with every post
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you sound more like a paedo with every post
You must be dyslexic
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It was already accepted in society in ancient Greece, you know, the enlightened, intellectual, original secular society that first gave us Democracy? It wasn't only accepted, it was encouraged.
No, paedophilia, sex with a pre-pubescent, was not accepted in ancient Greece. Pederasty, post-pubescent, was.
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Thought I'd find Prime and fogarty here, must be psychic.
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Thought I'd find Prime and fogarty here, must be psychic.
Good to know.
Just so you know, I am psychic too. Anticipated your post here....word for word.
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I don't need a doctor or a scientist to tell me that a child can't be a consenting adult. Do you?
And no, that wouldn't stop society from accepting this perversion. Are you saying everything society accepts today is logical and scientifically proven?
Ridiculous attempt.
And no, it will not happen. Only paranoids and people projecting could think something like this could ever be accepted in a today's world.
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Ridiculous attempt.
And no, it will not happen. Only paranoids and people projecting could think something like this could ever be accepted in a today's world.
It won't always be "today's world". No one really knows what the future holds, unfortunately.
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protecting children is the most important thing in society
people that prey on children should be terminated
its that simple
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protecting children is the most important thing in society
people that prey on children should be terminated
its that simple
You'll get no argument from me.
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protecting children is the most important thing in society
people that prey on children should be terminated
its that simple
X2.
Well said.
Let's see if the Smart Mouths on here will Try to Question
This Statement.
Revealing more of their true self.
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Peadophile is a fucking disease and the cure is put to fucking death, this filthy shit needs to be wiped off the face of the planet, even more so than muslims
I agree, but same should be done with homos.
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It won't always be "today's world". No one really knows what the future holds, unfortunately.
My point exactly.
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This is a serious topic with a serious post from me.
Don't make yourself a complete fool by reacting like this on all my posts.
Very brave to change your post to "fixed" now....oh such a brave man.
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Very brave to change your post to "fixed" now....oh such a brave man.
Not sure why you're talking to yourself, is it the need to get confirmation?
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Not sure why you're talking to yourself, is it the need to get confirmation?
Talking to youI I did not change a thing.
Btw, how was your day my friend ?
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Talking to youI I did not change a thing.
Btw, how was your day my friend ?
I guess you're still butthurt, haha
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I guess you're still butthurt, haha
you are a nice boy deep down, I know that....you may think what you will and as you like it.
What dat is it for you tomorrow ? For me it's back day.
8)
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you are a nice boy deep down, I know that....you may think what you will and as you like it.
What dat is it for you tomorrow ? For me it's back day.
8)
Not sure why you're talking so weird, is it the weed?
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Funny how sexual attraction is so commonly thought to be an immutable trait... somehow every 'straight', sympathetic, and wise person is an expert on such things ::)
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Funny how sexual attraction is so commonly thought to be an immutable trait... somehow every 'straight', sympathetic, and wise person is an expert on such things ::)
That is one of the most rediculous paragraphs I have ever read.
We know killing someone is terrible, some people may have completely irrational desires to commit murder. Desire is not an end to itself, a collection of people with similar desire is not an end to itself. There are potentially if not always going to be massive repercussions for pedophilia and ephebophilia.
Your agenda will never be acceptable no matter which way you spin it.
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That is one of the most rediculous paragraphs I have ever read.
We know killing someone is terrible, some people may have completely irrational desires to commit murder. Desire is not an end to itself, a collection of people with similar desire is not an end to itself. There are potentially if not always going to be massive repercussions for pedophilia and ephebophilia.
Your agenda will never be acceptable no matter which way you spin it.
??? Non-sequiter of peace ???
Not sure what you were responding to, but it sure wasn't my meaning...
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Not sure why you're talking to weird, is it the weed?
wiedewiedewiet.... :D
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Pedos are not a sexual orientation, that is the dumbest shit i even heard. I wonder what child raping, goat fucking, michael jackson wannabe though up that shit.
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Pedos are not a sexual orientation, that is the dumbest shit i even heard. I wonder what child raping, goat fucking, michael jackson wannabe though up that shit.
Paedophilia is a sexual orientation. A psychiatric disorder too.
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Paedophilia is a sexual orientation. A psychiatric disorder too.
Stfu you kiddie fucker. I hope the fbi raids you, you Sick bastard.
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Stfu you kiddie fucker. I hope the fbi raids you, you Sick bastard.
You must be missing the point here...never mind.
::)
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You must be missing the point here...never mind.
::)
That does seem to be the case, doesn't it?
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It's not clear what seems to be the case to many people, to more and more people...
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Paedophilia is a sexual orientation. A psychiatric disorder too.
Stfu you kiddie fucker. I hope the fbi raids you, you Sick bastard.
You must be missing the point here...never mind.
Your Missing The Point.
We don't need or want apologists for them.
The mess we're in now is due to other pervs & weirdo's
Get people like You To Accept Them.
They Need Getting Rid Of -- End Of -- Simple.
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Paedophilia is a sexual orientation. A psychiatric disorder too.
You must be missing the point here...never mind.
Your Missing The Point.
We don't need or want apologists for them.
The mess we're in now is due to other pervs & weirdo's
Get people like You To Accept Them.
What is the "mess" to which you refer?
They Need Getting Rid Of -- End Of -- Simple.
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Quote - Primemuscle -
What is the 'mess' to which you refer
Really !!!
If it Needs Spelling or Pointing out to You.
It's Either Over Your Head -- And a waste of Time Doing So.
or Your Part of The Mess - Problem.
And Can't See It. - Again a waste of time explaining.
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Really !!!
If it Needs Spelling or Pointing out to You.
It's Either Over Your Head -- And a waste of Time Doing So.
or Your Part of The Mess - Problem.
And Can't See It. - Again a waste of time explaining.
Dude. You quoted YOU, then went off on you. That's sorta disordery, too.
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Quote - Primemuscle -
What is the 'mess' to which you refer
Really !!!
If it Needs Spelling or Pointing out to You.
It's Either Over Your Head -- And a waste of Time Doing So.
or Your Part of The Mess - Problem.
And Can't See It. - Again a waste of time explaining.
Huh?
I wouldn't want you to waste your time explaining something you apparently found important enough to post about.
Throughout history and presently, there are lots of circumstances that might be accurately called messes. My question was (since it must have been over-your-head) whether this mess is something new or something that has been around since the dawn of man.
For me to be part of this mess would mean I've contributed to it in some way. Nothing could be further from the truth. You don't know me, so there is no way you can know what I am or am not a part of. ;)
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Huh?
I wouldn't want you to waste your time explaining something you apparently found important enough to post about.
Throughout history and presently, there are lots of circumstances that might be accurately called messes. My question was (since it must have been over-your-head) whether this mess is something new or something that has been around since the dawn of man.
For me to be part of this mess would mean I've contributed to it in some way. Nothing could be further from the truth. You don't know me, so there is no way you can know what I am or am not a part of. ;)
Really Prime -- You are intelligent enough to work it out.
What is the subject matter of this thread.
I cannot be bothered to verbally word fence with you over something so obvious.
As for not knowing you - Clearly I do not. Though you have posted enough about
Yourself to have an idea. ( though what you posted could be fictious)
And just because something has gone on since day 1 Dosent make it acceptable,
Or Should we Be Accepting People Randomly Murdering one another as OK.
That would be good I could have a field day enjoying myself & being accepted.
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Really Prime -- You are intelligent enough to work it out.
What is the subject matter of this thread.
I cannot be bothered to verbally word fence with you over something so obvious.
As for not knowing you - Clearly I do not. Though you have posted enough about
Yourself to have an idea. ( though what you posted could be fictious)
And just because something has gone on since day 1 Dosent make it acceptable,
Or Should we Be Accepting People Randomly Murdering one another as OK.
That would be good I could have a field day enjoying myself & being accepted.
Here is what you wrote that got me started on this mess issue:
Paedophilia is a sexual orientation. A psychiatric disorder too.
You must be missing the point here...never mind.
Your Missing The Point.
We don't need or want apologists for them.
The mess we're in now is due to other pervs & weirdo's
Get people like You To Accept Them.
They Need Getting Rid Of -- End Of -- Simple.
When it comes to pedophilia, it has always been a despicable "mess", so I disagree with the idea that the mess is something new as you imply by using the word 'now'. Whether or not pedophilia is a sexual orientation, is mute. In my book, it is horrible and disgusting no matter how it is categorized. I have zero tolerance when it comes to child molesters. The crime they commit ruins lives in ways that are worse than death because the memory of that experience stays with most folks for a lifetime.
Most people like me (whatever you think this means) do not accept pedophiles. Are you aware that pedophiles are more often 'straight' than they are gay or bisexual?
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When it comes to pedophilia, it has always been a despicable "mess", so I disagree with the idea that the mess is something new as you imply by using the word 'now'. Whether or not pedophilia is a sexual orientation, is mute. In my book, it is horrible and disgusting no matter how it is categorized. I have zero tolerance when it comes to child molesters. The crime they commit ruins lives in ways that are worse than death because the memory of that experience stays with most folks for a lifetime.
Most people like me (whatever you think this means) do not accept pedophiles. Are you aware that pedophiles are more often 'straight' than they are gay or bisexual?
Ha, See You Knew all long.
Seems To Have Hit A Raw Nerve !!!
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I thought we banned this baby-rape talk with Pellius. Why is it fair game again?
Delete this filthy shit, folks.
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I thought we banned this baby-rape talk with Pellius. Why is it fair game again?
Delete this filthy shit, folks.
This.
Disgusting. No business here.
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I thought only davinci got the axe... pellius too ???
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I thought only davinci got the axe... pellius too ???
No axe, far as I know. We just weren't supposed to mention his kinks and such.
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Ha, See You Knew all long.
Seems To Have Hit A Raw Nerve !!!
Knew what? My nerves are made of steel.
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Knew what? My nerves are made of steel.
creepy
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At what age is pedophilia not pedophilia? In some countries puberty is the age but of course a young 12 year old is not ready. But I remember when I was 13 and 14. Some of these chicks were hornier than shit. I would get my dick sucked and fingerbang all sorts of chicks in 8th and 9th grade.
a couple weeks back I see this chick in the distance. About 5' 9" knee high boots, short black skirt, tight 3/4 length tank top on, long blonde hair, nice tits. I was like HOLY FUCK! I thought she was about 20. Turns out she was 13. WTF! Why does a 13 year old look like she's in her 20's? She can easily fool any dude into fucking her by saying she's 18-21 and they wouldn't know.
Apparently the average age for girls to hit puberty has gone down in the last couple decades. Mostly from chemicals in food. I think it used to be 13 and now they say 11. In Mexico is 10. This world is fucked.
chemicals in food lål
And why is this thread still alive... Nuke it mods this is disgusting
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My stepmom is a prison psychologist and specifically works with the sex offenders. She seems to support such nonsensical, unscientific, and morally deranged hypotheses regarding these perverts. She constantly talks about the sob stories these guys give her and how life circumstances force them into making horrific choices such as raping and murdering children. We actually had an argument just last night because she unbelievably thinks that in most cases the victims (talking 10-15 year olds here) failed to report sexual abuse because on some level they ENJOY it?!? :- ???
I would expect some of these dirtbags to use that as a sick justification for their actions but to hear her come out of her mouth multiple times with this theory is really disappointing. Especially when you're dealing with older males raping younger males. Some young boy who has never had a sexual experience with anyone of any gender and is forced into a sexual assault by a male pervert is more than likely emotionally and intellectually scarred for life. It could change his sexuality, could change his outlook on normal relationships and completely interfere with his ability to ever have a healthy relationship.
I can understand a guy in his 20s being attracted to a 17 or 18-year-old High school cheerleader type, and in my state age of consent is 16 so there is really no excuse for not being able to fulfill your deviant desires. Being attracted to prepubescent children is clearly a serious mental defect and anyone with such desires should check himself into a mental facility immediately before even considering acting on such fantasies .
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My stepmom is a prison psychologist and specifically works with the sex offenders. She seems to support such nonsensical, unscientific, and morally deranged hypotheses regarding these perverts. She constantly talks about the sob stories these guys give her and how life circumstances force them into making horrific choices such as raping and murdering children. We actually had an argument just last night because she unbelievably thinks that in most cases the victims (talking 10-15 year olds here) failed to report sexual abuse because on some level they ENJOY it?!? :- ???
I would expect some of these dirtbags to use that as a sick justification for their actions but to hear her come out of her mouth multiple times with this theory is really disappointing. Especially when you're dealing with older males raping younger males. Some young boy who has never had a sexual experience with anyone of any gender and is forced into a sexual assault by a male pervert is more than likely emotionally and intellectually scarred for life. It could change his sexuality, could change his outlook on normal relationships and completely interfere with his ability to ever have a healthy relationship.
I can understand a guy in his 20s being attracted to a 17 or 18-year-old High school cheerleader type, and in my state age of consent is 16 so there is really no excuse for not being able to fulfill your deviant desires. Being attracted to prepubescent children is clearly a serious mental defect and anyone with such desires should check himself into a mental facility immediately before even considering acting on such fantasies .
She seems to be becoming a product of her environment.
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I see myself pretty forgiving on the subject. For instance I can relate to that earlier post about the teenager in the thigh high boots, blonde hair, and well-developed body being able to fool most normal men. In college when I was about 22 I was bouncing in a popular nightclub in many nights were all ages shows. And I can't begin to document all the times I was propositioned blatantly hit on in and two cases had girls try to force themselves on me (had it been me behaving in such an aggressive, sexually dominating way against an uncooperative female, I'd be arrested).
Yeah in my state 16 is the age of consent so there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be in jail for sexual offenses against minors I mean for fuck sake you're legally allowed to have sex with a 16-year-old girl what more can you possibly want?!? I just been to Brazil multiple times in over there I'm not even sure if there is an age of consent. The guy is over there have a common expression "she has a face like a baby but she's no baby." Same thing in Tijuana there would be 15 and 16-year-old girls working in legal brothels right out in the open with military police guarding the place.
My point is a lot of people don't understand how many legal outlets there are to satisfy such desires. So if you are indeed guilty of any sort of child molestation or rape against a minor you really need to be put away. My step mom thinks these sickos deserve way more mercy than is warranted, and I'm a pretty liberal guy who thinks guys going to jail for being 20 and having a 17 year old girlfriend is rediculous because every state has a different age of consent. And I'm all for prison and punishment for any of these perverts, I'd like to see more opportunities for them to voluntarily get help for their deviant desires before they actually act on them and victimize someone. Then people like my step mom can't make excuses for them and help them get less punishment from the court when they do commit horrific acts.
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I see myself pretty forgiving on the subject. For instance I can relate to that earlier post about the teenager in the thigh high boots, blonde hair, and well-developed body being able to fool most normal men. In college when I was about 22 I was bouncing in a popular nightclub in many nights were all ages shows. And I can't begin to document all the times I was propositioned blatantly hit on in and two cases had girls try to force themselves on me (had it been me behaving in such an aggressive, sexually dominating way against an uncooperative female, I'd be arrested).
Yeah in my state 16 is the age of consent so there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be in jail for sexual offenses against minors I mean for fuck sake you're legally allowed to have sex with a 16-year-old girl what more can you possibly want?!? I just been to Brazil multiple times in over there I'm not even sure if there is an age of consent. The guy is over there have a common expression "she has a face like a baby but she's no baby." Same thing in Tijuana there would be 15 and 16-year-old girls working in legal brothels right out in the open with military police guarding the place.
My point is a lot of people don't understand how many legal outlets there are to satisfy such desires. So if you are indeed guilty of any sort of child molestation or rape against a minor you really need to be put away. My step mom thinks these sickos deserve way more mercy than is warranted, and I'm a pretty liberal guy who thinks guys going to jail for being 20 and having a 17 year old girlfriend is rediculous because every state has a different age of consent. And I'm all for prison and punishment for any of these perverts, I'd like to see more opportunities for them to voluntarily get help for their deviant desires before they actually act on them and victimize someone. Then people like my step mom can't make excuses for them and help them get less punishment from the court when they do commit horrific acts.
the worrying bit about the bit I bolded is that you seem to be of the opinion that as long as they do it legally there isn't an issue.
I really hope thats not what you mean.
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"She seems to be becoming a product of her environment."
I believe you may be absolutely correct. Her education and psychology mainly focused on drug and alcohol addictions and rehabilitation and the entire sex offender career kind of fell into her lap. She makes excuses for these animals, tries to help them lessen their sentences and coddles to them unbelievably.
I myself have a Masters degree in clinical psychology and entertained an idea of a PhD dissertation involving paraphillias (sexual deviant behaviors to us normal people). Just doing a literature review, background information, and meeting with my academic advisor, made me retreat completely from the entire realm. My academic advisor was a Doctor Who testified for the courts in cases of forensic sexual homicide against children, did for 2 decades and was paid unbelievably well for this. And he stopped all involvement in this area and told me to find different area of study as such interaction with these animals "Rots your brain and soul. You can't un-hear what you have to study and it will haunt you forever." Case closed, I ran from that area of psychology, he told me flat out the cannot be cured or even helped, only controlled.
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"She seems to be becoming a product of her environment."
I believe you may be absolutely correct. Her education and psychology mainly focused on drug and alcohol addictions and rehabilitation and the entire sex offender career kind of fell into her lap. She makes excuses for these animals, tries to help them lessen their sentences and coddles to them unbelievably.
I myself have a Masters degree in clinical psychology and entertained an idea of a PhD dissertation involving paraphillias (sexual deviant behaviors to us normal people). Just doing a literature review, background information, and meeting with my academic advisor, made me retreat completely from the entire realm. My academic advisor was a Doctor Who testified for the courts in cases of forensic sexual homicide against children, did for 2 decades and was paid unbelievably well for this. And he stopped all involvement in this area and told me to find different area of study as such interaction with these animals "Rots your brain and soul. You can't un-hear what you have to study and it will haunt you forever." Case closed, I ran from that area of psychology, he told me flat out the cannot be cured or even helped, only controlled.
Poor choice of words, not sure if you are trolling now......
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i dont think this is a get big topic
its black and white
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No not the meaning I had. What I was referring to was how incredibly scary it would be if you were accused of such horrible crimes in truly were innocent. Not like you kind assorted did some of the crimes but not all of it but truly were completely innocent of any and all aspects of felony molestation or rape charges. In such a case I can honestly not be sure what I would do if offered a plea bargain where you don't go to jail, (or if you're in county jail you would be released immediately with time served).
Because the alternative, at least in my state, if you reject any plea bargain you will get a maximum sentence. And I could not imagine going to the State penitentiary for 10 years or sometime like that carrying the label of a child molester. So I do have some sympathy for the very few people that she deals with that truly may indeed be innocent. However, not only does she seem to be easily fooled into believing most of them are innocent, like I said she is bought into some delusion that these people don't deserve such strict punishments and that unbelievably most of these victims somehow enjoyed what happened to them. As a 60-year-old female who is raised four daughters I would just think she would have a much more realistic look at such situations.
Sorry to ramble on, and post so much at once. Like I said the subject is just fresh in my mind is we just had an argument about it last night and then I saw this thread. She started with that nonsense of some 10-year-old girl more than likely getting some sort of enjoyment out of being molested for three years by her stepfather and then went on to talk about some guy in her case load Who actually killed a toddler and she's convinced by this manipulative pervert that there's some sort of extenuating circumstances that should bring him leniency. So this is why I'm rambling today, my apologies.
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i dont think this is a get big topic
its black and white
I agree, these last couple of long winded posts are too apologetic for my liking.
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Ok, my last reply on the topic since a couple people are confused by my admittedly poor choice of words to the point that someone even thinks I'm trolling.
Step mom: licensed psychologist highly educated but mostly trained and worked in the field of substance-abuse counseling her entire psychology career. "Fell into her lap," extremely poor choice of words didn't even realize it when I said it. To clarify she had retired and after breast cancer decided to rejoin the field and this job offer came to her from a career recruiter. She had no real training for forensic psychology, let alone practical experience dealing with counseling, evaluating, assessing and treating sex offenders at all. So I believe she's allowing herself to be manipulated and using her own personal judgments not her professional or educational training which she admittedly lacks in for such a specific population.
Me: I don't see any form of pedophilia as a sexual orientation we should be accepting of. I see it clearly and solely as a crime, and a crime of the most serious nature-- more so than any amount of drug charges, theft or things of that nature. Person is guilty of these crimes should be punished severely but strangely they seem to get lighter sentences than drug crimes, or even DUI. From my education in the field of clinical psychology (with a special emphasis on forensics), these people especially repeat offenders are immune to treatment and can only be controlled. I'd be happy to be wrong and if new innovations in the field allow for rehabilitation it would be terrific but honestly I don't see it and I think they need to be put away.
Lastly, what I had said about being innocent but accused of some sort of pedophilia crime comes from a personal experience in my teen years. Before I matured, dedicated self to martial arts, went to college, and grad school, I got into trouble as a teen and put in adult jail for almost a year (assault and various charges resulting from a high school fight between groups, NO sex crime) in Philadlephia. As a reference for the environment, Holmesburg is the only jail in the U.S. that had a warden and a deputy warden murdered by an inmate on the same day. Hey man in my dorm room was beaten to death in front of me by a gang (who literally made ski masks out of pillowcases) and it's impossible to describe the incident but suffice to say it was horrible. Reason for this part of the story is this man was beaten to death for being a suspected child molester. The guards later announced to the entire tier that the man was in jail for his second DUI and had never been accused of, let alone charged with any such crime. So I would have sympathy for anyone accused of such a horrific crime they didn't commit because the penalty they are going to pay can be unbelievable.