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Inside an L.A. OxyContin ring that pushed more than 1 million pills. What the drugmaker knew
Although I’ve been fortunate enough to have met a good number of supplement company owners starting with the Weider brothers , Rheo H, Blair, Dr. Connelly, and through the present …. I’ve seldom ever purchased one or more of their products since many years ago.
But I have never had the opportunity to meet the owner nor any of the employees who are involved in the manufacturing of these supplements.
Nor have I been inside a GNC store except to inquire where the nearest men’s room was.
So I can’t tell anyone what does and does not work nor who makes what and what it’s made of nor what shelf it sits on in GNC.
BUT … this morning I read an article from the LA Times about an Oxicotin scheme that made a lot of doctors very wealthy
Wealth beyond their normal ‘paycheck’.
And it pissed me off!
So before you offer abycomments that will get me even more pissed, I gotta ack you to read the attached LA Times article.
Once that is done, please jump in and tell me …..
Who’s the biggest cuprit here.
Is it Dr. Santiago?
Is it the Purdue Chemicals owners? privately owned company which makes Oxicotin.
Or is it the US government due to it’s failure to regulate these bastards!?
The attached is a damn good read and I hope some of you more intelligent GetBiggers will offer your remarks.
A lot of you GetBiggers believe that the sup business gets away with ‘murder’ and this article just might give you some additional insight of why you think that way.
In my own personal opinion … the US government is allowing Pursue Chemicals to get away with ….. I can’t call it “murder” , but it’s just as reprehensible.
But that’s up for you to decide.
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They helped alot pf people to become drug addicts and didnt give a shit
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Inside an L.A. OxyContin ring that pushed more than 1 million pills. What the drugmaker knew
So before you offer abycomments that will get me even more pissed, I gotta ack you to read the attached LA Times article.
Link please Stunt..?
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Doctors get kickbacks on EVERY drug they prescribe. Every medical test and procedure as well (i.e. MRI, CAT scans, cancer treatments, etc.). It's a gigantic scam.
I do my best to avoid doctors. Given half a chance, they will kill you.
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Read the link, he says.
*no link*
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Doctors get kickbacks on EVERY drug they prescribe. Every medical test and procedure as well (i.e. MRI, CAT scans, cancer treatments, etc.). It's a gigantic scam.
I do my best to avoid doctors. Given half a chance, they will kill you.
QFT
But there are rare good doctors also.
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Purdue knew for years what was happening and refused to report the doctor to the Feds. They are the biggest crooks. They could have stopped the doctor in 2008 but let it happen for years because they made mass profit. This doc wasn't getting kickbacks. This doc was supplier dealers who were selling it on the street and she was a drug queenpin
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Miss the days of those "green monster" 80s
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http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-oxycontin-part2/ (http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-oxycontin-part2/)
Here it is...
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Thank you, CUY!
For some unknown reason, I could not post it this morning when I originated this topic.
I are dumb!
Sorry. FORTRESS!
BLANCO!! I AGREE TOTALLY with your above statement. Those owners at Purdue (a privatelfy owned company) should be held accountable financially and pay billions or all the lives they ruined and the
damage they caused by refusing to take the necessary action when they discovered thaat there was a drug problem.
AND they should close that company down with force, but it's somewhat apparent that the FDA will not do so because the FDA appears to be too damn weak to do anything.
It's difficult for me to believe that they were unaware of the situation for so long a time -frame.
Plus the sentences are ridiculous.
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I'm a bit pissed off about this entire scam because a good friend whom some of you may have known and who most of you have heard mentioned on this Board if you are long time regulars ... died as a result of Oxycontin abuse.
And as KIM said erarlier ...... "They helped alot pf people to become drug addicts and didnt give a shit."
And these short term sentences seem to prove that no one still gives a shit!
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If u simply have no feelings or pretty much have no soul, then you can become quite rich
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Opiates are so popular now that during the super bowl there was an ad for a drug to relieve opiate induced constipation. How the hell doesn't the government see an issue with this?
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Opiates are so popular now that during the super bowl there was an ad for a drug to relieve opiate induced constipation.
Cause opiates are awesome.
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The draconian Federal sentencing guidelines imposed by Clinton to enslave the blacks are now bullseyed on the backs of Billy and Megan simply because there is no one left. Goodbye ghettos, hello football sentencing for the trailer parks!
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Cause opiates are awesome.
this until you get hooked
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this until you get hooked
Then they're even more awesome, until you run out...
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Loved the part where Purdue Pharmaceuticals was fined $635 million, AFTER they made $31 BILLION from the drug. That will certainly teach them a lesson in morality.
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Loved the part where Purdue Pharmaceuticals was fined $635 million, AFTER they made $31 BILLION from the drug. That will certainly teach them a lesson in morality.
It's a tax write off. They probably really made $28 billion, the other 3 was used to pay off politicians and the feds to look the other way.
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Yeah! There's something fishy here!
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Hope Gronk lives to tell the tale...
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The world consists of predators and prey. The owners of a big pharmaceutical company like Perdue are very high up, almost near the top, of the food chain. The weak addicts who consume their harmful products are at the bottom of the food chain and do little more than fatten the predators above them who include everyone profiting from their weakness, including the government employees who are low level predators, but predators nonetheless. Focus on being a predator and not on how you can help the prey or you will be preyed upon yourself.
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Then they're even more awesome, until you run out...
Just be rich... ;)
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Then they're even more awesome, until you run out...
and when you get hold of more they are even more awesome until they run out
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Yeah! There's something fishy here!
Not really. Look at the history of fines to Big Pharma. They are a small percentage of their profits. Same with fines to big banks from the mortgage fiasco.
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Corrupt fuckers everywhere.
And opiates ARE a huge problem.
Like religious folks, drug abusers/addicts are weak people.
Love the whole "it's a disease" horsecrap. Being an alcoholic or drug addict is not a disease. What a pathetic joke.
I like when addicts overdose and die. Thinning the herd and all.
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Corrupt fuckers everywhere.
And opiates ARE a huge problem.
Like religious folks, drug abusers/addicts are weak people.
Love the whole "it's a disease" horsecrap. Being an alcoholic or drug addict is not a disease. What a pathetic joke.
I like when addicts overdose and die. Thinning the herd and all.
X2
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Corrupt fuckers everywhere.
And opiates ARE a huge problem.
Like religious folks, drug abusers/addicts are weak people.
Love the whole "it's a disease" horsecrap. Being an alcoholic or drug addict is not a disease. What a pathetic joke.
I like when addicts overdose and die. Thinning the herd and all.
Now addicts bro?
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Why is it the drug makers fault? anyone with a brain knows it's an opiate, it's clearly addictive like all opiates.
The problem is, what do you give for intractable pain? when anti-inflammatories and other drugs fail?
The patient takes some of the responsibility, how anyone could take something without researching it is beyond me.
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I think most level-headed people are at least aware of the risks of overuse/abuse, but are caught off guard when they find themselves in withdrawal after taking something as prescribed. By then, most of the damage is already done and for some its just the beginning of that downward slide.
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Tried these a few times with a glass of wine or two, not my thing it made me constipated. Not good for my bb lifestyle and physique which is more important than a high. I can do a cap of g and feel much better, eat, shit, sleep etc..
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Tried these a few times with a glass of wine or two, not my thing it made me constipated. Not good for my bb lifestyle and physique which is more important than a high. I can do a cap of g and feel much better, eat, shit, sleep etc..
What is "g"?
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What is "g"?
Gamma Hydroxybutyrate
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Why is it the drug makers fault? anyone with a brain knows it's an opiate, it's clearly addictive like all opiates.
The problem is, what do you give for intractable pain? when anti-inflammatories and other drugs fail?
The patient takes some of the responsibility, how anyone could take something without researching it is beyond me.
Obviously you didn't read the story. It's not about the drug maker making the drug but how they knew something shady was happening and didn't stop it.
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They helped alot pf people to become drug addicts and didnt give a shit
They would have become drug addicts either way.
Nothing more pathetic than adults getting addicted to prescription pills and then blaming everyone else.
THE DOCTORS FORCED ME TO TAKE THEM ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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It's not so much the drug makers fault but the quack drs that prescribe these meds.that's how I basically got hooked.
In the early 90s you could basically walk into a drs office, pay cash, especially if you had a badge like i did, and proceed to order n get whatever you wanted.
I started on percs then after a year or so when the dr said i didn't need them anymore I found i could barely function without opiates. My parter said I had a "habit", that i was hooked on the same shit we were busting ppl with.
I laughed and said no way...until i popped someone with a few buns of smack. Curiosity won and I took a few home with me and tried them. Nothing at 1st,then i did it again weeks later and wham,just what I was looking for my whole life. In 3mnths I was not only using but selling as well. My habit was around $2-300 a day. That is until i figured shooting it would be cheaper.in less than a year i wasted my 3 bank accounts totaling close to $100k. Had money for my retirement, money to fix up my house and play money.
When i got arrested i was suspended with pay till my UA came back. I was called in 2mnths later, forced to resign and given my 10yr pension check totaling close to $30k. Spent that plus my wife's $10k settlement check from a car accident.
So do I blame big pharma...no. Can't even place whole blame on drs as it was i who made that conscious decision to use. There were other factors involved with my horrendous decisions. Blaming others or using situations I've gone thru only makes me use harder.
It's like blaming Colt or Remington for all the victims of gun shots. They only make the weapons but it's consumers or criminals who abuse them.
There are needs for both pharmaceuticals and weaponry alike.
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It's not so much the drug makers fault but the quack drs that prescribe these meds.that's how I basically got hooked.
In the early 90s you could basically walk into a drs office, pay cash, especially if you had a badge like i did, and proceed to order n get whatever you wanted.
I started on percs then after a year or so when the dr said i didn't need them anymore I found i could barely function without opiates. My parter said I had a "habit", that i was hooked on the same shit we were busting ppl with.
I laughed and said no way...until i popped someone with a few buns of smack. Curiosity won and I took a few home with me and tried them. Nothing at 1st,then i did it again weeks later and wham,just what I was looking for my whole life. In 3mnths I was not only using but selling as well. My habit was around $2-300 a day. That is until i figured shooting it would be cheaper.in less than a year i wasted my 3 bank accounts totaling close to $100k. Had money for my retirement, money to fix up my house and play money.
When i got arrested i was suspended with pay till my UA came back. I was called in 2mnths later, forced to resign and given my 10yr pension check totaling close to $30k. Spent that plus my wife's $10k settlement check from a car accident.
So do I blame big pharma...no. Can't even place whole blame on drs as it was i who made that conscious decision to use. There were other factors involved with my horrendous decisions. Blaming others or using situations I've gone thru only makes me use harder.
It's like blaming Colt or Remington for all the victims of gun shots. They only make the weapons but it's consumers or criminals who abuse them.
There are needs for both pharmaceuticals and weaponry alike.
Good stuff. You should write a book.
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It's not so much the drug makers fault but the quack drs that prescribe these meds.that's how I basically got hooked.
In the early 90s you could basically walk into a drs office, pay cash, especially if you had a badge like i did, and proceed to order n get whatever you wanted.
I started on percs then after a year or so when the dr said i didn't need them anymore I found i could barely function without opiates. My parter said I had a "habit", that i was hooked on the same shit we were busting ppl with.
I laughed and said no way...until i popped someone with a few buns of smack. Curiosity won and I took a few home with me and tried them. Nothing at 1st,then i did it again weeks later and wham,just what I was looking for my whole life. In 3mnths I was not only using but selling as well. My habit was around $2-300 a day. That is until i figured shooting it would be cheaper.in less than a year i wasted my 3 bank accounts totaling close to $100k. Had money for my retirement, money to fix up my house and play money.
When i got arrested i was suspended with pay till my UA came back. I was called in 2mnths later, forced to resign and given my 10yr pension check totaling close to $30k. Spent that plus my wife's $10k settlement check from a car accident.
So do I blame big pharma...no. Can't even place whole blame on drs as it was i who made that conscious decision to use. There were other factors involved with my horrendous decisions. Blaming others or using situations I've gone thru only makes me use harder.
It's like blaming Colt or Remington for all the victims of gun shots. They only make the weapons but it's consumers or criminals who abuse them.
There are needs for both pharmaceuticals and weaponry alike.
Shit man. Wow. Thanks for telling your story. I hope you're clean now. If not, IBOGAINE/IBOGA.
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The Seven Five is a great documentary about corrupt cops in the NYPD.
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ROCCO, Yea, thanks for your input.
But in this case, it was DR SANTIAGO who ran a huge-scale scam and not merely writing prescriptions for patients.
Here is lifetime MY DRUG experience.
Until recently I never tok anything stronger than an aspirin.
And then just recently some minor complications arose in which the doctor prescribed PERCOSET with little instructions on the label which said to take one pill as needed every six hours.
But I failed to read the "as needed" part and proceeded to take one PERK every six hours for about a week or less which resulted in a slightly lower level of pain but an adversion to food and liquid because EVERYTHING tasted like cod liver oil (dead fish).
Someone finally read the label correctly and I came off of percoset entirely. (Fuck the pain!)
.... And here is something that no one seems to believe!
Morphine shots seem to have no affect on me at all!
When I get one (three or four times in my lifetime), I always tell the nurse/doc "That ain't gonna work!" ..... They just offer a polite laugh
and shoot me up anyway.
And sure enough, it 'don't' work.
Is this even possible or am I just an anti-morphine type of critter?
That's my drug story .... but I have been in crowded rooms many full of MJ vapors and find myself laughing at stupid shit.
And one time in a VW in which the driver rolled a joint as big as your wrist which caused so much smoke and confusion (the windows were not allowed to be rolled down) that we had to pull over to the side of the road.
Some of you GetBiggers know this well-known player within he world of lifting heavy things.
And .... Here's the end .... Medical marijuana is now legal and thriving here in LV. Is that now routine throughout the US?"
They can sell you cookies and vapors and other marijuana de-lites.
There seems to be a hell of a lot of very healthy people participating.
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STUNT
Are you sure they weren't giving you torodol? First line in most emergency departments I've been to is usually IV torodol, which is an anti-inflammatory and you won't get a rush at all. But it's a clear liquid like morphine and I could see somebody confusing the two. They only give morphine if that doesn't work, or if the condition calls for it outright.
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I THINK I FAILED TO POST THIS EARLIER .....
NECROSIS, As DIABLO so accurately stated (and I wish I said it first) ….”Obviously you didn't read the story. It's not about the drug maker making the drug but how they knew something shady was happening and didn't stop it.”
But I will add that …. It appears evident to me that the drug company in question was making billions (?) of dollars all the while knowing what was going on.
Someplace in that article one high ranking employee said that it was like a GOLD MINE.
Can someone list the sentences that these characters received?
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NEITHER, In each case the nurse or doc made it clear that I was getting a shot of morphine. I assume that they have to tell you so by law.
Thanks for that torodol info though.
If I go through this again, I'm gonna mention that.
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It's not so much the drug makers fault but the quack drs that prescribe these meds.that's how I basically got hooked.
In the early 90s you could basically walk into a drs office, pay cash, especially if you had a badge like i did, and proceed to order n get whatever you wanted.
I started on percs then after a year or so when the dr said i didn't need them anymore I found i could barely function without opiates. My parter said I had a "habit", that i was hooked on the same shit we were busting ppl with.
I laughed and said no way...until i popped someone with a few buns of smack. Curiosity won and I took a few home with me and tried them. Nothing at 1st,then i did it again weeks later and wham,just what I was looking for my whole life. In 3mnths I was not only using but selling as well. My habit was around $2-300 a day. That is until i figured shooting it would be cheaper.in less than a year i wasted my 3 bank accounts totaling close to $100k. Had money for my retirement, money to fix up my house and play money.
When i got arrested i was suspended with pay till my UA came back. I was called in 2mnths later, forced to resign and given my 10yr pension check totaling close to $30k. Spent that plus my wife's $10k settlement check from a car accident.
So do I blame big pharma...no. Can't even place whole blame on drs as it was i who made that conscious decision to use. There were other factors involved with my horrendous decisions. Blaming others or using situations I've gone thru only makes me use harder.
It's like blaming Colt or Remington for all the victims of gun shots. They only make the weapons but it's consumers or criminals who abuse them.
There are needs for both pharmaceuticals and weaponry alike.
I don't agree with you. Blame is shared. It's shared against the manufacturer for essentially making synthetic Heroine. The blame is the doctor who just prescribes it to anyone. The blame is especially on the doctor's that are acting like drug dealers and yes the blame is also on the patient but not 100%. if someone was legit injured and needed it and the doctor just prescribed them 90 tabs for a 2-3 healing period then is the patient really to blame? This happened to me. He gave me 90 Norcos. Not a few for pain I had. Why the fuck did he give me so much and it had 2 refills, so I got two more bottles. This was before they changed the schedule level making it harder to refill. So you give a patient a super addictive drug and a lot of it and they get addicted is it really their fault?
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Opiates are so popular now that during the super bowl there was an ad for a drug to relieve opiate induced constipation. How the hell doesn't the government see an issue with this?
Opiates are the shit. The doctor gave me some Tramadol for my back. I refused to take them because you can shit on them. one bottle of 30 pills, last me over a year. I know people abuse them, because the pa was pretty much doing an interrogation on me before the doctor came in.
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They would have become drug addicts either way.
Nothing more pathetic than adults getting addicted to prescription pills and then blaming everyone else.
THE DOCTORS FORCED ME TO TAKE THEM ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
this. We can't have anything nice because some people fuck shit up, and then try to blame the evil "system"
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There are a lot of extremely weak people out there. Look at Wiggs. Guy's deep mind clasped onto a "software" that it required for survival. That being some Dindu god.
No different than any person who seeks refuge in a religion/cult. Their very weakness allows an easy indoctrination. Once the brainwashing takes hold, it takes the power of Odin to pry them free of the poison.
Drugs are the equivalent. A person's brain can't cope so something is sought to relieve the turmoil.
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Now addicts bro?
An addict is one who very rarely can be helped. So if he overdoes a dose of something and keels over, it's the nature of things.
It's too bad this person was so weak, but it is also how the pendulum swings.
On a side note, I say this. Be extraordinarily careful with painkilling medications. It's very easy to pervert your system's perception of discomfort/pain. Once you do this, even if you're a strong person, there will be a period of extreme discomfort.
It's cool to manage pain with medications, but unwise to use them in such a way as to eliminate it. If you do this you will likely create trouble for yourself.
Accept that much of life IS pain, both mental and physical.
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Obviously you didn't read the story. It's not about the drug maker making the drug but how they knew something shady was happening and didn't stop it.
Nothing shady, how could anyone not know about opiod addiction? if it was marketed as non-addictive, sure, but it's a powerful opiate.
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ROCCO, Yea, thanks for your input.
But in this case, it was DR SANTIAGO who ran a huge-scale scam and not merely writing prescriptions for patients.
Here is lifetime MY DRUG experience.
Until recently I never tok anything stronger than an aspirin.
And then just recently some minor complications arose in which the doctor prescribed PERCOSET with little instructions on the label which said to take one pill as needed every six hours.
But I failed to read the "as needed" part and proceeded to take one PERK every six hours for about a week or less which resulted in a slightly lower level of pain but an adversion to food and liquid because EVERYTHING tasted like cod liver oil (dead fish).
Someone finally read the label correctly and I came off of percoset entirely. (Fuck the pain!)
.... And here is something that no one seems to believe!
Morphine shots seem to have no affect on me at all!
When I get one (three or four times in my lifetime), I always tell the nurse/doc "That ain't gonna work!" ..... They just offer a polite laugh
and shoot me up anyway.
And sure enough, it 'don't' work.
Is this even possible or am I just an anti-morphine type of critter?
That's my drug story .... but I have been in crowded rooms many full of MJ vapors and find myself laughing at stupid shit.
And one time in a VW in which the driver rolled a joint as big as your wrist which caused so much smoke and confusion (the windows were not allowed to be rolled down) that we had to pull over to the side of the road.
Some of you GetBiggers know this well-known player within he world of lifting heavy things.
And .... Here's the end .... Medical marijuana is now legal and thriving here in LV. Is that now routine throughout the US?"
They can sell you cookies and vapors and other marijuana de-lites.
There seems to be a hell of a lot of very healthy people participating.
You misused the drug.
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There are a lot of extremely weak people out there. Look at Wiggs. Guy's deep mind clasped onto a "software" that it required for survival. That being some Dindu god.
No different than any person who seeks refuge in a religion/cult. Their very weakness allows an easy indoctrination. Once the brainwashing takes hold, it takes the power of Odin to pry them free of the poison.
Drugs are the equivalent. A person's brain can't cope so something is sought to relieve the turmoil.
What software does wiggs used?
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Like religious folks, drug abusers/addicts are weak people.
Love the whole "it's a disease" horsecrap. Being an alcoholic or drug addict is not a disease. What a pathetic joke.
It's a disease whether you think so or not.
Some of the most successful people I know are recovering alcoholics and addicts.
Its because they have a drive to be the best and take everything to the extreme - work as well as recreation.
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What software does wiggs used?
Religion. Whatever one features a chocolate sky wizard. Don't ask me.
It's all kooky shit.
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It's a disease whether you think so or not.
Some of the most successful people I know are recovering alcoholics and addicts.
Its because they have a drive to be the best and take everything to the extreme - work as well as recreation.
They might have an addictive personality, but drug and alcohol abuse/addiction is not a disease.
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It's a disease whether you think so or not.
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Drug addiction is a choice.
It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.
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I don't agree with you. Blame is shared. It's shared against the manufacturer for essentially making synthetic Heroine. The blame is the doctor who just prescribes it to anyone. The blame is especially on the doctor's that are acting like drug dealers and yes the blame is also on the patient but not 100%. if someone was legit injured and needed it and the doctor just prescribed them 90 tabs for a 2-3 healing period then is the patient really to blame? This happened to me. He gave me 90 Norcos. Not a few for pain I had. Why the fuck did he give me so much and it had 2 refills, so I got two more bottles. This was before they changed the schedule level making it harder to refill. So you give a patient a super addictive drug and a lot of it and they get addicted is it really their fault?
Yes.
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Drug addiction is a choice.
It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.
Well said.
To state it's a disease is so nonsensical it is absurd.
I mean, how would such a disease play out, then, if no, say, alcohol was available? No drug of ... choice. Yes, choice.
If you have cancer, doesn't matter where you go. That cancer is just there, in your body.
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To state it's a disease is so nonsensical it is absurd.
Its like classifying the condition of your bloody, prolapsed rectum as 'disease', after voluntarily sitting on a cactus.
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Its like classifying the condition of your bloody, prolapsed rectum as 'disease', after voluntarily sitting on a cactus.
;D
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Drug addiction is a choice.
It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.
Nah, its defiantly a disease.
Mike suffers from it, but cock is his drug of disease.
No matter what he does, they end up in him.
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Nothing shady, how could anyone not know about opiod addiction? if it was marketed as non-addictive, sure, but it's a powerful opiate.
Holy shit. Did you read the article? It's not about addiction of how bad opiates are. It's about a pharma company that knew a doctor was over prescribing the drugs to a point that it wasn't even meant for regular consumption but she was acting like a middle man to a drug cartel selling Oxy's on the street.
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Holy shit. Did you read the article? It's not about addiction of how bad opiates are. It's about a pharma company that knew a doctor was over prescribing the drugs to a point that it wasn't even meant for regular consumption but she was acting like a middle man to a drug cartel selling Oxy's on the street.
Once again, why should Pharmaceutical company's give a shit?
Let me guess, you think Pharmaceutical company's are here to help people ::) ::)
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Shit man. Wow. Thanks for telling your story. I hope you're clean now. If not, IBOGAINE/IBOGA.
yes,today iI'm clean today,8mnths. I got into a long term program that slowly weans ppl off methadone, a blind detoxn
It took me 4mnths to get off but the anxiety was too much so I was put on a low dose of suboxone, 8mgs and i just dropped to 6mgs.next week I'm going to 4mgs. I haven't had or felt the urge for anything illicit...so far. Give or take a drug dream here n there it's getting better. I have thought about writing a book detailing my having been on both sides of the fence so to say. From being involved in LE to the belly of the beast of heroin addiction. Knowing fully what the drug does to a person both physically and socially.
By September I'll be completely off everything. As of now I'm still in the program and have been given certain privileges such as a phone,a small stipend job for a few months until I get approved for schooling and work.
After my relapse in 2013 after having 5yrs clean it was impossible to stop on my own.no matter what i did or tried I couldn't shake the compulsion and urges to keep using. I'd cry as i was prepping my arms for the next fix,praying it was a "hot shot" to take me off the count.
I'm so glad I started perusing the web again and found GB. As of now this is my main forum...the CNN of the bodybuilding lifestyle.
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ROCCO,,,,,, WOW! What you said above was great reading and you really should write a book about your drug experience.
You write well and you overcame what many think is an impossibility.
The following has nothing to do with Oxycontin but what you said above has encouraged me to submit the this story.
It's a very true story about a very young kid who was not as successful as yourself.
Back in the 70's (maybe it was the 80'S) we met a young kid (maybe 20 or 21) who was a former teen age bodybuilder but due to a serious back injury, he had to wear a complicated back brace and take an abundance of pain killers.
A real good looking kid who was highly respected among his peers and even had his own teen radio show which was directed toward troubled teens as drugs were just about beginning to be a major problem way back
then.
This all occurred in California and Hawaii.
Flash forward to Hawaiii directly on Waikiki Beach right behind Duke's ...
I asked him if he wanted to take a swim and see some colorful fish beyond the reef (a hundred yards or so beyond the shore line).
He laughed and said, "I can't!".
And I said,"Let's give it a try. You'll be buoyant in the water once you take that contraption off." (Contraption = complicated back brace)
So we get in the water and we get his back brace off and he discovers he's very 'buoyant in the water' .... and a big smile comes across his face.
So I help him get beyond the reef and he's esthetic and has never felt so good since the day he got that backbrace 'installed'.
So eventually we get back to the beach and we 'reinstall' his backtrace and a gentleman comes over and introduces himself as a doctor and says.... "That's the best thing for him. He should do it everyday."
So we took his advice and swam to the reef and back for the next three days and as we were getting out of the water on that third day he says,
"Let me try to walk without my brace!"
And he managed to do so .... slowly at first ... but eventually the brace is put aside and he meets a beautiful young lady and they get married and move to California and have a son.
But the drugs were still a 'hidden' problem.
So you might be seeing where this story leads but the real sad part is yet to come. I think it may be something you may never have expected.
Flash forward .. Three years later. California.
The Sad Part ......
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I did read it Stunt, people were selling them and prescribing them incorrectly, that's being a terrible doctor not the drug. If they are giving out far to much, they should not be practicing. The company cares about selling the drug, it helps pain and is both physically and psychologically addictive. Anything that can be abused will, it's a sad reality, but those shit bags shouldn't stop the use of medications for people who really need it. There are people who take it just fine as needed.
The patient is also responsible for their health, if the prescription said as needed, and you take far to much, it's on you, an adult.
No one gets better or improves until they take responsibilty for their own health.
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Drug addiction is a choice.
It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.
So impulse control problems and compulsive drug use seen in OCD is a choice? What if it's all your mind will allow you to think about? all day long? how long could you resist the urge? it doesn't go away, that's the crux of the problem.
imagine your reward system was fucked up, nothing feels good, it's a chemical problem. The population with the highest rates of drug abuse are those with untreated ADHD, low dopamine, impaired reward (the nucleus accumbens in the brain controls this).
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NECROSIS, I am in total agreement with you. The 'pill' is not the culprit here.
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The good old days. :D
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WALTER, You should add an old can of Coca-Cola to the above photos.
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WALTER, You should add an old can of Coca-Cola to the above photos.
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Alcohol is the most destructive "drug" in history. Should we bring back prohibition?
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yes,today iI'm clean today,8mnths. I got into a long term program that slowly weans ppl off methadone, a blind detoxn
It took me 4mnths to get off but the anxiety was too much so I was put on a low dose of suboxone, 8mgs and i just dropped to 6mgs.next week I'm going to 4mgs. I haven't had or felt the urge for anything illicit...so far. Give or take a drug dream here n there it's getting better. I have thought about writing a book detailing my having been on both sides of the fence so to say. From being involved in LE to the belly of the beast of heroin addiction. Knowing fully what the drug does to a person both physically and socially.
By September I'll be completely off everything. As of now I'm still in the program and have been given certain privileges such as a phone,a small stipend job for a few months until I get approved for schooling and work.
After my relapse in 2013 after having 5yrs clean it was impossible to stop on my own.no matter what i did or tried I couldn't shake the compulsion and urges to keep using. I'd cry as i was prepping my arms for the next fix,praying it was a "hot shot" to take me off the count.
I'm so glad I started perusing the web again and found GB. As of now this is my main forum...the CNN of the bodybuilding lifestyle.
good fpr you just stay on this road.. Good luck
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Alcohol is the most destructive "drug" in history. Should we bring back prohibition?
The original destructive drug was opium. Fact.
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So impulse control problems and compulsive drug use seen in OCD is a choice?
imagine your reward system was fucked up, nothing feels good, it's a chemical problem.
Lack of self control and using drugs to the point of addiction are both choices.
Blown 'reward system'? Suck it up, or self medicate…. both choices.
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The good old days. :D
cocaine toothache drops, sounds like the original source of freebase ie crack
most people here have an opinion on addiction and I am trying to be tolerant, but as someone in sobriety myself I kind a wish that people would not just pigeonhole everyone who ends up addicted to something as weak. These days alot of the substances are prescribed for legit reasons which involve inhuman pain, and we are starting to see people who never had an addiction with anything in life for decades get hooked on pain pills for example.
Some of you naysayers better hope you never end up in some severe situation(accident, violence, injury, surgery) where you will be begging for something to take away the pain. You may find out just how "weak" ::) you are.
Not every addict is some bum out on the streets looking to rob and pillage.
I have a bit of a yes/no thing with the disease concept, but yeah, the addiction is not really the disease, as much as it becomes a mental and physical obsession
Never got into the pain pills and in fact after my jaw surgery and tumour removal in January they gave me prescription strength advil and 15 percs(which I have never taken) I used as directed, then just kept tylenol on hand after everything was done, but I can see how people could get hooked in more extreme pain cases than mine.
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Lack of self control and using drugs to the point of addiction are both choices.
Blown 'reward system'? Suck it up, or self medicate…. both choices.
then you don't believe in impulse control disorders. I assure you they exist and it's not a choice. How do you explain the dysphoria, the desire to quit or stop but being unable? if it was a choice it would seem easy given the distress it causes.
I agree with you generally, that's the answer, but to dismiss in it's entirety is missing the point. It's like saying those with tourette's have a choice to tic or to not tic, something is wrong in the brain.
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These so-called disorders are "diseases" of affluence or so-called first world problems. If you had to worry about where your next meal was coming from, you wouldn't have time to obsess on your self.