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So this is not my own knee in that vid, but it is exactly what happened to me a week ago: complete rupture from the quadriceps tendon from the patella. Stupid accident, not BB related at all.
This is a relatively rare injury, I think JP Fux had it bilaterally a decade or so ago.
I got operated on immediately and have a full extension plaster now.
I can almost feel the muscle atrophy away by the day allready.
Any of you ever had this ?
Mind: it's not the patella-tibia tendon but the quad-patella tendon.
It sucks and hurts like fuck.
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try 2 at once , not very much fun.
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To might be a lame poster, but I don't wish this to anyone. I hope you have a speedy recovery.
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To might be a lame poster, but I don't wish this to anyone. I hope you have a speedy recovery.
thank you.
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Just pulled both my hamstrings in a race with my nephew, got 20 m before they both popped.... 2 pints of beer before hand didn't help
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How did you rupture it?
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Just pulled both my hamstrings in a race with my nephew, got 20 m before they both popped.... 2 pints of beer before hand didn't help
Pulled is not ruptured. A hamstring rupture is very very unlikely...
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How did you rupture it?
I did ass-to-to-the-floor squats with 500+ pounds........I'd wish..
I just missed a step with my kids visiting the zoo; fell with my lower leg completely flexed, with my 245 lbs dropping on it. I immediately knew what was wrong.
Now with my complete leg in plaster it's even hard to get to sit a bit comfortably on the toilet.
Orthopedic surgeon told me it was a 'nice rupture' and because my muscles were 'quite big' (as far as he was concerned) I could make a complete recovery. Takes time though.
I still hurts like shit if I do to much...
Thank you DP for your good wishes...I'm not always a lame poster you know. I still prefer to be on speaking terms.
I just feel like shit now, being an invalid. Tomorrow I restart training, upper body first, nothing below the umbilicus....
I'll Be Back.
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functional muscles of peace.
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I posted this because I hope that real BB would know what an injury like this means. There's really nothing you can do than lying down and sitting exercises. Back traing: only pulldown shit. Chest: barbell to risky, just DB.
Cardio is zero. Ab work is risky cause you always use your rectus femoris.
It's a devastating injury for a BB lover......I hope you fellow GB'ers will never experiece this.
thank you.
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Good luck!
The muscle will regain size nearly as fast as it went once you can activate it again.
You could try meditation to aid the body in the healing process which should also calm the mind.
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Everything looked in place to me.
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ouch and good recover dr d
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Shit happens man. Keep strong.
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Good luck!
The muscle will regain size nearly as fast as it went once you can activate it again.
You could try meditation to aid the body in the healing process which should also calm the mind.
Yeah, it seems that visualizing the muscle work will indeed speed up recovery....
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So this is not my own knee in that vid, but it is exactly what happened to me a week ago: complete rupture from the quadriceps tendon from the patella. Stupid accident, not BB related at all.
This is a relatively rare injury, I think JP Fux had it bilaterally a decade or so ago.
I got operated on immediately and have a full extension plaster now.
I can almost feel the muscle atrophy away by the day allready.
Any of you ever had this ?
Mind: it's not the patella-tibia tendon but the quad-patella tendon.
It sucks and hurts like fuck.
be aware of blood clots in leg can move to lung and heart which causes major problems.. doc might put you on blood thinners or baby aspirin..over exercise can cause them to move..just like lying there can cause them... take it from someone who's been there.
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Thanks, I'm already on Fragmin (heparine) 5000 units a day.....
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Pulled is not ruptured. A hamstring rupture is very very unlikely...
Where did I mention rupture?....
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Where did I mention rupture?....
You didn't. So it doesn't belong in this thread. I pulled lotsa muscles over the years. Hurts like hell, but heals in a week or so.
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You didn't. So it doesn't belong in this thread. I pulled lotsa muscles over the years. Hurts like hell, but heals in a week or so.
If you want any more sympathy I suggest you change your tone young man.,
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Which young man ?
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Most people get operated on for a partial rupture. A complete is rare. I had a complete rupture of the bicep. The bicep rolled up to my delt. It took me about 6 months after the operation to regain my strength back and it was a long road. I went to physical therapy but the majority was me working on it. First was regaining range of motion. Then is was curls with 1lb weights. At about 4 months I attempted a pull up and it scared me to death I would rip out the repair. Around 6 months later I was deadlifting. I think it's about 95% good. It seems it messed up my shoulder somehow too. The bicep looks a little off but nothing to complain about. I would imagine a leg is going to be long recovery. Don't do anything until you get the okay from the doctor. Take it really slow.
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Two guys i know in the gym both that this happen to them doing walking lunges with no more than 35 pound dumbbells in the past 12 months. I think shit like this happens when you subconsciously relax the muscle even for just a second or so...
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What an awful injury. :o The blood thinner is necessary but can slow down the healing.
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You didn't. So it doesn't belong in this thread. I pulled lotsa muscles over the years. Hurts like hell, but heals in a week or so.
I'll post where I want you Dutch cun.t... How many medals did yous win this year?
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Why train at all while it is healing? As another poster wrote- you will regain your lost strength quickly when you start up again. Seems you would be delaying recovery by stressing your body for muscle growth during this period.
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functional muscles of peace.
Yeh
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Just pulled both my hamstrings in a race with my nephew, got 20 m before they both popped.... 2 pints of beer before hand didn't help
for some reason I find that hilarious. do you fall short of breath when walking for 2 mins?
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Best of luck with recovery. You'll be healed up in no time.
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for some reason I find that hilarious. do you fall short of breath when walking for 2 mins?
Nah I'm actualy quite fit, never sprinted for years tho
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Damn, dude, I'm sorry.
Daredevil on Netflix might help. :-\
26 hours...
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ban kids!
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Most people get operated on for a partial rupture. A complete is rare. I had a complete rupture of the bicep. The bicep rolled up to my delt. It took me about 6 months after the operation to regain my strength back and it was a long road. I went to physical therapy but the majority was me working on it. First was regaining range of motion. Then is was curls with 1lb weights. At about 4 months I attempted a pull up and it scared me to death I would rip out the repair. Around 6 months later I was deadlifting. I think it's about 95% good. It seems it messed up my shoulder somehow too. The bicep looks a little off but nothing to complain about. I would imagine a leg is going to be long recovery. Don't do anything until you get the okay from the doctor. Take it really slow.
Dorian Yates had that too....his bi looked like crap but he still won O's....
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I'll post where I want you Dutch cun.t... How many medals did yous win this year?
None....saved a few human lifes though. I'm a local hero too... :D
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Why train at all while it is healing? As another poster wrote- you will regain your lost strength quickly when you start up again. Seems you would be delaying recovery by stressing your body for muscle growth during this period.
Sounds logicall, but there are different schools of thinking and lotsa treatment protocols. Some say complete immobilisation for 6 weeks to heal the rupture and then start building back. Others say start passive motions (flexing) early, even the week post-operation. This will diminish scar tissue building up, keep the muscle at length and gives a little less atrophy.
A recent trial I found on Pubmed gave the same results after a year, but the earlier active group was back to strength a bit sooner. No difference in re-rupture between groups.
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Speedy recovery - muscle memory will kick in to regain the lost size when your able to train.
Can't say I always like or agree with what you have to say.
Only a severe injury supersedes the crap posted on here.
Wish you well.
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Just pulled both my hamstrings in a race with my nephew, got 20 m before they both popped.... 2 pints of beer before hand didn't help
Not good either.
We shouldn't race kids, ha
Hope your recovery is Speedy.
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Speedy recovery - muscle memory will kick in to regain the lost size when your able to train.
Can't say I always like or agree with what you have to say.
Only a severe injury supersedes the crap posted on here.
Wish you well.
thank you sir.
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The coming weeks I be in plaster, I'm gonna restart UB workouts tomorrow.
I will post my recovery periode on getbig, like it or leave it.
Got very little work to do anyway, can't drive a car.
So get ready for the upcoming Dr Dutch reheab thread !!
:D :D
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Ban all zoos............. and kids also.
Here`s to a speedy recovery my friend!! ;)
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Ban all zoos............. and kids also.
Here`s to a speedy recovery my friend!! ;)
Thank you Wes. You're always a nice dude, appreciate it !
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I've been dodging cervical spine surgery for many years but I know that eventually I will have to have it.
Wish you well in your recovery!
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I've been dodging cervical spine surgery for many years but I know that eventually I will have to have it.
Wish you well in your recovery!
thank you. You got a neck hernia or what ?
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thank you. You got a neck hernia or what ?
Yes and now have compression of the C6 nerve route and a bone spur closing in on my spinal cord. Pain through my left shoulder and down my left arm can be excruciating at times. College football did the most damage but a mountain bike crash in 02 was icing on the proverbial cake. :-\
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I've been dodging cervical spine surgery for many years but I know that eventually I will have to have it.
Wish you well in your recovery!
Did this cause any atrophy, and if so where?
I have a couple of slight issues with T7-T8 in my back, and my entire left side (lat, shoulder and especially arm) are all noticeably smaller than my right. I"m right handed so I wrote it off as that at first, but as I start to put size on this is beginning to worry me. Left pec is unaffected.
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Did this cause any atrophy, and if so where?
I have a couple of slight issues with T7-T8 in my back, and my entire left side (lat, shoulder and especially arm) are all noticeably smaller than my right. I"m right handed so I wrote it off as that at first, but as I start to put size on this is beginning to worry me. Left pec is unaffected.
You must have this examined by a good (sports)neurologist, dude. As soon aa possible.
Leave it be and you may be compromised for the rest of your life.
Invest some money if that's necessary.......don't leave this be !!!!
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Did this cause any atrophy, and if so where?
I have a couple of slight issues with T7-T8 in my back, and my entire left side (lat, shoulder and especially arm) are all noticeably smaller than my right. I"m right handed so I wrote it off as that at first, but as I start to put size on this is beginning to worry me. Left pec is unaffected.
In 2011 when it began to really act up I had no clue because pain was all in my left arm, shoulder and scapula. I was losing strength in my left arm and don't remember if I had size loss. After the first injection under imaging I went two years without it acting up again. Suffice it to say it has been an ongoing issues since my two year reprieve. The only reason they have not pushed surgery is because other nerves seem to have taken over and I have no size/strength loss.
I just had another MRI in April.
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Neck hernia stuff for us bodybuilders is very speciallistic matter.
Don't go to a regular neurologist/neurosurgeon because their target is just housewife-level recovery.
Mention that you are into competetive powerlifting/olympic weightlifting and they will consider your case differently. Don't mention bodybuilding, thst means shit to them....
hope this helps,
says Dr Dutch
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How much did all the hospital shit cost you over there in Neverland?
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This is what happens when you are over weight and weak.
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Happened to me, crutches for a 6 weeks and leg brace for 4 months.
Barely managed to sit on the shitter. The gf had to sponge bathe me. Was humiliating.
The atrophy was ridiculous. Its still a little smaller than the right leg.
100% recovery.
My advice don't be a dickhead and take the time off to make a complete recovery.
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How much did all the hospital shit cost you over there in Neverland?
It's covered by the basic medical insurance. That's income related plus an extra 120 euro's a month.
Mind: in Holland we pay lotsa income taxes, I pay between 42 en 52 %....,
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Happened to me, crutches for a 6 weeks and leg brace for 4 months.
Barely managed to sit on the shitter. The gf had to sponge bathe me. Was humiliating.
The atrophy was ridiculous. Its still a little smaller than the right leg.
100% recovery.
My advice don't be a dickhead and take the time off to make a complete recovery.
Thanks for this reaction.
Being dependent on others is indeed humiliating, but thank god it was your gf. For me 'sitting on the shitter' is one of the lousiest things too.
How long did it take you to train back from atrophy ? What exercises worked best. Did you get back to full squatting ? I got a adjustble legpress at home, I guess that will be my baby when I got green light to start training.
With me it's my right leg, which always was a bit bigger than the left one. Guess I won't have that problem for some time.....
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This is what happens when you are over weight and weak.
This is what happenes when you're out of luck. I am neither overweight nornweak. Dude.
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None....saved a few human lifes though. I'm a local hero too... :D
I was referring to the Dutch Olympic team.... ::)
As a Dr, what's your opinion of the healing peptides such as tb500 and the other ( name aludes me at the mo), would u consider using them?
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This is what happenes when you're out of luck. I am neither overweight nornweak. Dude.
denial is the enemy of enlightenment
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For me 'sitting on the shitter' is one of the lousiest things too.
These things typically happen to phaggots that have it coming…. too fucking feeble and pathetic to exist intact. Only a matter of time before you 'rupture' something else.
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These things typically happen to phaggots that have it coming…. too fucking feeble and pathetic to exist intact. Only a matter of time before you 'rupture' something else.
it's the hand of God
When GOD whoop you, he whoop you good
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I was referring to the Dutch Olympic team.... ::)
As a Dr, what's your opinion of the healing peptides such as tb500 and the other ( name aludes me at the mo), would u consider using them?
I'd say eat your vegetables and take 3 asprins a day...
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These things typically happen to phaggots that have it coming…. too fucking feeble and pathetic to exist intact. Only a matter of time before you 'rupture' something else.
What kinda reaction is this ?
I hardly had any injuries in 30 yrs of lifting and other sports. But I will rupture you with pleasure... ;)
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This thread is very informative to me. Most people wish me luck and a good recovery (even a few who don't particularly like me or my posts), but some are just being assholes.
Let me say this: I don't wish anyone an injury like I got, not even the assholes.
It does give me another view on old/senior people who are lonely all the time and are physically incapable of going out. Must be a shit life, because it'll only get worse for them. I am in my 40s, got kids that are helpfull, and the Dutch social security systeem will keep the paychecks coming in. Thank God my freelance activities were very minor the past few years.
Supporters: thank you !
Haters: try another attitude. You may like it.
says DD
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Sterkte en beterschap!
D
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it's the hand of God
When GOD whoop you, he whoop you good
There isn't such a thing as God, it's the 21st century dude....
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Sterkte en beterschap!
D
Dank je, vriend.
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All the best to you DD, heal up nicely! Walter, good luck with your condition as well, found out last year the reason's for my lower back problems, DDD (degenerative disc disease)...
Surgery is somewhere in my future... Us old bastards ::) ::)
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All the best to you DD, heal up nicely! Walter, good luck with your condition as well, found out last year the reason's for my lower back problems, DDD (degenerative disc disease)...
Surgery is somewhere in my future... Us old bastards ::) ::)
Thank you, sir..... :)
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Yesterday another nice day at the hospital.
The two short-haired ladies from the plaster-room removed my 2-week old plaster and immediately started to apply another one. But that wasn't the deal.
Two weeks before I had pointed out already that I didn't want plaster again this day, but a removable brace so I could start with increasing ROM (passively) twice a day. "No, sir, we just follow the protocol for a ruptured quad tendon repair, and that's a stiff plaster for 6 weeks." Well, maybe over there, but not in lot's of other hospitals, including the Academic Hospital in the area were I live. 6 Weeks in full extension gets any joint (ij this case my knee) to stiffen up completely and the quads to shorten. Takes weeks of extra fysical therapy afterwards.
So I simply refused and just lay there for a while until the surgeon who operated on my knee walked in.
After some discussion he could agree with the brace and starting with passive flexing up to 60 degrees building up over 3,5 weeks.
The point of this story, my fellow getbiggers, friends and foes: the standard protocol in not-specialized settings is not to do what's best for the patient, but what's easiest and the least risky for the staff/personnell.
Always get yourself informed and demand to see the dude or dudesse in charge.
Have a plan upfront and get to read your file (operation report in my case).
And remember that protocols are for the average housewife, not for us.
Serious advice from
Dr Dutch
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The point of this story, my fellow getbiggers, friends and foes: the standard protocol in not-specialized settings is not to do what's best for the patient, but what's easiest and the least risky for the staff/personnell.
Always get yourself informed and demand to see the dude or dudesse in charge.
Have a plan upfront and get to read your file (operation report in my case).
And remember that protocols are for the average housewife, not for us.
Serious advice from
Dr Dutch
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You should give that advice to all of YOUR patients!
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Get well soon.
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The point of this story, my fellow getbiggers, friends and foes: the standard protocol in not-specialized settings is not to do what's best for the patient, but what's easiest and the least risky for the staff/personnell.
Always get yourself informed and demand to see the dude or dudesse in charge.
Have a plan upfront and get to read your file (operation report in my case).
And remember that protocols are for the average housewife, not for us.
Serious advice from
Dr Dutch
You should give that advice to all of YOUR patients!
Actually I do. I always inform them about alternatives. Eric C.
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I had a complete quad/patella rupture on october 3rd 2015.
Hurt like hell ...... as a former college football , bodybuilder , wrestler and pro-strongman i had a lot of injury but nothing compare top this.
The first 2 weeks a was in bed all day
after i was able to walk to the toilet in crutches.
at the end of december i was able to walk a little bit ....not too long as i weighted 365 pounds
took me about 3 month to get 90 degre mobility .... that was the thing that worked not very well
in january my full mobility was back
deadlifted 700 pounds and squatted 500 by april ...... less than before ....but still good with that kind of injury
april i began wrestling again
running
jumping
in may i begun strongman events training
in july i pulled a 10 wheeler
now september my leg is about 80% of its previous strenght
my muscle is a little smaller than the other leg
still hurt 20-30% of the time
training and sports go well what hurt much is standing long perdiod of time
lost 55 pounds ... that helped too
be patient
it will heal
but it will hurt like hell .... sorry for that
good luck with your recovery
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Update september 19th, for those who are interested in a devestating injury for those seeking muscle gains. Others can go to another Kevin-thread of their choice.....
6 Weeks after my quad-tear: visited the orthopedic surgeon. He examened my knee and quad and concluded everything goes as it should. Extension plaster/brace 24/7 can go, I can start increasing ROM but must be very careful not to actively use my quad too much.
Upper leg shrinked beyond belief. I trained my good leg very hard, one leg leg press. Kept its size I think. Seeing right and left together, finally allowed to flex a bit harder, the teardrop has almost vanished from the injured leg. Looks like some old dudes leg.....
Coming 6 weeks: increasing ROM, little bit strength maintenance (keeping what's left) and practize walking again. After the 6 weeks I am allowed to train the muscle back. Finally gonna test the concept of Muscle Memory myself.
Supporters thank you, haters be gone
says Dr Dutch
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I had a complete quad/patella rupture on october 3rd 2015.
Hurt like hell ...... as a former college football , bodybuilder , wrestler and pro-strongman i had a lot of injury but nothing compare top this.
The first 2 weeks a was in bed all day
after i was able to walk to the toilet in crutches.
at the end of december i was able to walk a little bit ....not too long as i weighted 365 pounds
took me about 3 month to get 90 degre mobility .... that was the thing that worked not very well
in january my full mobility was back
deadlifted 700 pounds and squatted 500 by april ...... less than before ....but still good with that kind of injury
april i began wrestling again
running
jumping
in may i begun strongman events training
in july i pulled a 10 wheeler
now september my leg is about 80% of its previous strenght
my muscle is a little smaller than the other leg
still hurt 20-30% of the time
training and sports go well what hurt much is standing long perdiod of time
lost 55 pounds ... that helped too
be patient
it will heal
but it will hurt like hell .... sorry for that
good luck with your recovery
Sorry to hear about your injury.
What a positive success story you turned it into.
Much Respect - Well done Sir.
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So this is not my own knee in that vid, but it is exactly what happened to me a week ago: complete rupture from the quadriceps tendon from the patella. Stupid accident, not BB related at all.
This is a relatively rare injury, I think JP Fux had it bilaterally a decade or so ago.
I got operated on immediately and have a full extension plaster now.
I can almost feel the muscle atrophy away by the day allready.
Any of you ever had this ?
Mind: it's not the patella-tibia tendon but the quad-patella tendon.
It sucks and hurts like fuck.
Vince McMahon had it when entering the ring at the 2005 Royal Rumble. :'(
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Update september 19th, for those who are interested in a devestating injury for those seeking muscle gains. Others can go to another Kevin-thread of their choice.....
6 Weeks after my quad-tear: visited the orthopedic surgeon. He examened my knee and quad and concluded everything goes as it should. Extension plaster/brace 24/7 can go, I can start increasing ROM but must be very careful not to actively use my quad too much.
Upper leg shrinked beyond belief. I trained my good leg very hard, one leg leg press. Kept its size I think. Seeing right and left together, finally allowed to flex a bit harder, the teardrop has almost vanished from the injured leg. Looks like some old dudes leg.....
Coming 6 weeks: increasing ROM, little bit strength maintenance (keeping what's left) and practize walking again. After the 6 weeks I am allowed to train the muscle back. Finally gonna test the concept of Muscle Memory myself.
Supporters thank you, haters be gone
says Dr Dutch
All The Best - Sounding like it's Healing we'll
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Update for those interested: nine weeks after accident and operation.
Stretching up the quad tendon 10x30 seconds, 3 times a day. Started with 20 degrees after the extension plaster, now it's about 110 degrees. Stretches are painful and should be, gotta reach full ROM at 140 degrees in another 3 weeks or so. Physical therapy 2-3 times a week, dude's a torturer...
Knee still thick and red and hurt every night.
No active quad exercises yet, only walking.
Training my good leg with leg presses. Still lost size in that one too because of 6 weeks of immobillity.
Have been doing pulldowns for back only, now added some db rows cause I can finally get the knee at 90 degrees on the bench. Standing calves carefully, high reps. Military's, upright rows. All very carefully.
Slowly adding exercises that tax the legs a bit.
Says Dr Dutch