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So basically he’s the male version of Hillary Clinton
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/08/31/exclusive-gary-johnson-objects-to-term-illegal-immigrant-defends-obamas-executive-amnesty-n2212297
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By the time we go to sleep, it's possible all 3 candidates are pro-amnesty.
Anything short of "deporting the fuck out of these 11 million daily lawbreakers" = Amnesty, just like johnson and hilary.
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How far from reality the Libertarian Party has fallen. Open borders were never a Libertarian platform, you can go back to Proudhon even, until the Libertarians were bought off with establishment money, to pervert traditional Libertarian standards. And that goes for supporting perverts, LGBTs too.
The Libertarian Party is just a joke now, with it's two RINO retread candidates, who are way left of center.
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I always knew that guy was a rat.
Zero mic skills as well. Boring as the day is long.
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Don't even need to deport anyone. Just start busting and seizing assets whenever someone chooses to profit from the desperation. The simplest, surest solution and it pays for itself.
Btw, Gary Johnson urges: "Yes, we should have open borders." The guy is exactly like an idiotic, dope-smoking teenager who doesn't know wtf he's saying. Incredibly dangerous to think of allowing that dumbshit anywhere near the WH.
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Harry Brown, Ron Paul, and Schiff they are not!
Weld is a RINO and Johnson has the verbal abilities of the lawyer in My Cousin Vinny that got fired.
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So basically he’s the male version of Hillary Clinton
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/08/31/exclusive-gary-johnson-objects-to-term-illegal-immigrant-defends-obamas-executive-amnesty-n2212297
I don't like it, but not enough to make me vote for Trump or Hillary.
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I agree with him. The term illegal immigrant is kind of stupid really.
I sure wish all of those immigrants back in the 1600s had checked in with the Native Americans back then.
Don't get me wrong, I know that it's how the world works, people fight, someone wins, someone loses, but the idea that people think that only THEY should be fortunate enough to be born in the greatest country on earth really bugs me.
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I agree with him. The term illegal immigrant is kind of stupid really.
I sure wish all of those immigrants back in the 1600s had checked in with the Native Americans back then.
Don't get me wrong, I know that it's how the world works, people fight, someone wins, someone loses, but the idea that people think that only THEY should be fortunate enough to be born in the greatest country on earth really bugs me.
Oh brother ::)
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If Gary johnson were a legit Libertarian like ron Paul or Harry Browne he could win this thing. But he is acting like a fool
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If Gary johnson were a legit Libertarian like ron Paul or Harry Browne he could win this thing. But he is acting like a fool
Gary Johnson is an idiot. He's PRO Open Borders, loves the TPP, for gun control.
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Gary Johnson is an idiot. He's PRO Open Borders, loves the TPP, for gun control.
He doesnt sound, speak, or seem to really even get what he is running for.
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How anyone could vote for this guy is beyond me.
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Oh brother ::)
No real response other than the rolling eyes.
I get it.
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No real response other than the rolling eyes.
I get it.
Bill Weld makes me seriously question this ticket
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Bill Weld makes me seriously question this ticket
That's a fair response.
I too didn't understand that pick. He seems to be kind of a liberal shill.
Johnson I like though.
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one former hispanic trump organizer said today on MSNBC the best option in 2016 was to just sit this one out lol.
hilary uses the minorities, trump didn't give a shit for 14 months until 2 weeks ago, and he said johnson doesn't care either. Just vote state and local, he said lol.
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No real response other than the rolling eyes.
I get it.
No offense, Tu, but it's a ridiculous opinion. You're right-on with many of your stands, but you couldn't possibly be more wrong with this one.
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Funny thing is that this fucking CLOWN actually thought (at least at some point) that he could ride on being a pothead, lol.
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How anyone could vote for this guy is beyond me.
That was pretty bad. I completely disagree with him about immigration. I have no problem calling it what it is: illegal. That "undocumented immigrant" stuff is just being PC.
But you could play clips of both Hillary and Trump and say the thing, but worse. Neither one of them can be trusted.
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No offense, Tu, but it's a ridiculous opinion. You're right-on with many of your stands, but you couldn't possibly be more wrong with this one.
How am I wrong? I'm seriously willing to listen.
Here's my take. I am fortunate... FORTUNATE to have been born in the United States. The country that I believe is the best overall country on the planet today.
I don't take it lightly, but it's luck... I just got lucky.
I appreciate that other people who are not as lucky are willing to travel, often under dangerous circumstances, to partake in the greatness of this country and to work towards its continued greatness.
That's just how I see it.
So where is that "wrong"?
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How am I wrong? I'm seriously willing to listen.
Here's my take. I am fortunate... FORTUNATE to have been born in the United States. The country that I believe is the best overall country on the planet today.
I don't take it lightly, but it's luck... I just got lucky.
I appreciate that other people who are not as lucky are willing to travel, often under dangerous circumstances, to partake in the greatness of this country and to work towards its continued greatness.
That's just how I see it.
So where is that "wrong"?
It's wrong, because everything (including this) has a course.
In a world exploding with desperate people: where can the course possibly end in this case?
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It's wrong, because everything (including this) has a course.
In a world exploding with desperate people: where can the course possibly end in this case?
I'm not sure, but it didn't cause a problem when we were bringing people in by the thousands in the late 1800s and early 1900s. It only made the country better, not worse.
Why do you believe that this will be a "downfall"?
What historical context are you referencing to believe this?
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I'm not sure, but it didn't cause a problem when we were bringing people in by the thousands in the late 1800s and early 1900s. It only made the country better, not worse.
Why do you believe that this will be a "downfall"?
What historical context are you referencing to believe this?
Yes, you can absolutely make the case that during the building of this country, back when, immigrants made it happen. Nearly all opportunity was new.
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Yes, you can absolutely make the case that during the building of this country, back when, immigrants made it happen. Nearly all opportunity was new.
You don't think opportunity is still available?
I guess I'm of the mindset that it is and we have not come close to reaching a tipping point, but that's my view on things I suppose.
Isn't a lot of this how you view your current life and the world around you?
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You don't think opportunity is still available?
I guess I'm of the mindset that it is and we have not come close to reaching a tipping point, but that's my view on things I suppose.
Isn't a lot of this how you view your current life and the world around you?
I know that nearly all opportunity, now, is handed over from one person to the next.
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I know that nearly all opportunity, now, is handed over from one person to the next.
Would you mind elaborating on this a bit?
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Would you mind elaborating on this a bit?
I'd say it's the difference between looking at the country in the 1800s, and looking at it in the present. Things are now built and established, land is all claimed, etc.
In fact, we've reached the point in which technology is making unbelievably huge leaps toward replacing people as a means of production, and we will see that become a stark reality. Then what? We must account for so many more than otherwise, which requires all the more resources.
So the entire argument that our policies are somehow making things most "cost effective for everyone" turns out to be worth one large cart of manure. It's a lie.
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I'd say it's the difference between looking at the country in the 1800s, and looking at it in the present. Things are now built and established, land is all claimed, etc.
In fact, we've reached the point in which technology is making unbelievably huge leaps toward replacing people as a means of production, and we will see that become a stark reality. Then what? We must account for so many more than otherwise, which requires all the more resources.
So the entire argument that our policies are somehow making things most "cost effective for everyone" turns out to be worth one large cart of manure. It's a lie.
This part is true, but also misleading a bit.
For instance, this country has huge areas where there is not one single person. As a matter of fact, there are areas where the states will give you the land for free if you just build something on it.
Now, the premise of replacing people for production is true, but then the repair and maintenance of these machines is still required.
I see it much as a shift in skill set, more so than just removing people from the equation.
Similarly to how today, you don't have blacksmiths, but instead have auto mechanics.
I do see your point of course, and I get where you are coming from, I just don't necessarily agree with the premise.
That doesn't mean I'm right of course, it will take time and history to make that determination.
I could very well be completely wrong in my ideals.
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This part is true, but also misleading a bit.
For instance, this country has huge areas where there is not one single person. As a matter of fact, there are areas where the states will give you the land for free if you just build something on it.
Now, the premise of replacing people for production is true, but then the repair and maintenance of these machines is still required.
I see it much as a shift in skill set, more so than just removing people from the equation.
Similarly to how today, you don't have blacksmiths, but instead have auto mechanics.
I do see your point of course, and I get where you are coming from, I just don't necessarily agree with the premise.
That doesn't mean I'm right of course, it will take time and history to make that determination.
I could very well be completely wrong in my ideals.
The unavoidable fact is that fewer people are required, and even fewer yet every year, as an absolute trend. But someone needs to clue-in the folks in other countries, because the population is expanding like mad.
Something's gotta give, and so far it's been our middle class as it shrinks in power. That's the problem. HUGE problem.
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How anyone could vote for this guy is beyond me.
Exactly. complete idiot
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I agree with him. The term illegal immigrant is kind of stupid really.
I sure wish all of those immigrants back in the 1600s had checked in with the Native Americans back then.
Don't get me wrong, I know that it's how the world works, people fight, someone wins, someone loses, but the idea that people think that only THEY should be fortunate enough to be born in the greatest country on earth really bugs me.
How is it stupid? They broke the law coming into this country that the existing inhabitants have in place. Did the native Americans have laws about outsiders coming in and abusing their countrys handouts? If you know people that have immigrated here legally ask them how they feel about illegals and amnesty. The few I know despise them.
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How is it stupid? They broke the law coming into this country that the existing inhabitants have in place. Did the native Americans have laws about outsiders coming in and abusing their countrys handouts? If you know people that have immigrated here legally ask them how they feel about illegals and amnesty. The few I know despise them.
I just don't agree with the premise that only the fortunate few deserve the best.
I would ask you how old the legal immigrants are and how they did their immigration.
I agree that legal immigration is the way, but I also know that the government buracracy is ridiculous.
The way immigration is today makes legal immigration damn near impossible unless you are from an enemy nation and are defecting or are from Cuba.
Many many years ago, being a legal citizen and getting through the process was much different and more efficient.
We all agree that government fucks up everything. They make it harder to do things for no good reason.
Do we magically think the government is more efficient when it comes to legal immigration or their immigration policies?
Of course not. They just fuck that up too.
I just think the immigration procedure in the US is a damn mess and that makes it much more likely for someone to just overstay their Visa or whatever.
Sure, some are just walking across the border, but the last I read, that's lessened by a lot and may even be a net loss going the other way.
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Best way to help solve worldwide desperation is to protect and grow the middle class.
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Best way to help solve worldwide desperation is to protect and grow the middle class.
No disagreement with that.
Do you think that the middle class is being put out by the immigration of people from South and Central America?
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No disagreement with that.
Do you think that the middle class is being put out by the immigration of people from South and Central America?
You mean are middle-class Americans being displaced by Central and South Americans? I'd say yes, because their opportunities end up becoming diluted just by numbers alone. It's only slighly less direct than with Asians, but the end result is the exactly the same.
I believe a poor American sees a heavily diminished chance of ever progressing to the middle class, though, as a direct consequence of immigration from Mexico, Central and South America.
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You mean are middle-class Americans being displaced by Central and South Americans? I'd say yes, because their opportunities end up becoming diluted just by numbers alone. It's only slighly less direct than with Asians, but the end result is the exactly the same.
I believe a poor American sees a heavily diminished chance of ever progressing to the middle class, though, as a direct consequence of immigration from Mexico, Central and South America.
What middle class jobs are you saying are being diluted?
I don't even think construction is being diluted in a middle class perspective. Maybe the lowest paying jobs in construction yes, but aren't most South and Central americans taking the lower class positions?
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I just don't agree with the premise that only the fortunate few deserve the best.
I would ask you how old the legal immigrants are and how they did their immigration.
I agree that legal immigration is the way, but I also know that the government buracracy is ridiculous.
The way immigration is today makes legal immigration damn near impossible unless you are from an enemy nation and are defecting or are from Cuba.
Many many years ago, being a legal citizen and getting through the process was much different and more efficient.
We all agree that government fucks up everything. They make it harder to do things for no good reason.
Do we magically think the government is more efficient when it comes to legal immigration or their immigration policies?
Of course not. They just fuck that up too.
I just think the immigration procedure in the US is a damn mess and that makes it much more likely for someone to just overstay their Visa or whatever.
Sure, some are just walking across the border, but the last I read, that's lessened by a lot and may even be a net loss going the other way.
2 are citizens less than 5 years, one is about 12 years. I agree the process is overblown and extravagant, but that doesn't excuse breaking the law and being rewarded for it. That negates any pride or hardships legal immigrants had to deal with on their path to citizenship.
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2 are citizens less than 5 years, one is about 12 years. I agree the process is overblown and extravagant, but that doesn't excuse breaking the law and being rewarded for it. That negates any pride or hardships legal immigrants had to deal with on their path to citizenship.
I don't disagree.
I am not talking about rewarding anyone by the way. If you are an "illegal", you don't and shouldn't have any of the benefits that go along with being a citizen of the country.
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What middle class jobs are you saying are being diluted?
Any which now have more individuals aiming to get them, which covers about everything. Immigrants want to have a better life, just like everyone else.
I don't even think construction is being diluted in a middle class perspective. Maybe the lowest paying jobs in construction yes, but aren't most South and Central americans taking the lower class positions?
Yes, and just about all service jobs and everything else in between. We went from using a certain excuse regarding migrant farm labor and applied it to essentially all positions on the lower end of the job market.
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Any which now have more individuals aiming to get them, which covers about everything. Immigrants want to have a better life, just like everyone else.
Yes, and just about all service jobs and everything else in between. We went from using a certain excuse regarding migrant farm labor and applied it to essentially all positions on the lower end of the job market.
Possibly, but as you said, that's the lower end of the job market.
Not inherently the middle-class right?
I mean, illegals aren't becoming nurses and things or whatever... They don't have the paperwork to have those positions.
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Possibly, but as you said, that's the lower end of the job market.
Not inherently the middle-class right?
I mean, illegals aren't becoming nurses and things or whatever... They don't have the paperwork to have those positions.
The fact is that an immigrant has the same desires as any American, and upon arrival will operate to fulfill them in the same manner as any native-born person.
Any obstacle which might slow the immigrant down (like an inability to obtain a professional license, if that's the case) will immediately cease to be a issue for offspring.
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The fact is that an immigrant has the same desires as any American, and upon arrival will operate to fulfill them in the same manner as any native-born person.
Any obstacle which might slow the immigrant down (like an inability to obtain a professional license, if that's the case) will immediately cease to be a issue for offspring.
Surely, but offspring are citizens of course and no longer "immigrants" right?
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Surely, but offspring are citizens of course and no longer "immigrants" right?
That's why they're called "anchor babies", yes.
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That's why they're called "anchor babies", yes.
So the law of the country should be changed?
The anchor part is meaning you can't deport the parents because the child is a citizen.
Not quite the same thing.
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So the law of the country should be changed?
The anchor part is meaning you can't deport the parents because the child is a citizen.
Not quite the same thing.
That's why the word "anchor" is used. True.
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That's why the word "anchor" is used. True.
Yes. But they are two different issues. This is an expansion perhaps, but not exactly the same in regards to the shrinking middle class.
Children of immigrants would also want to be in the middle class and therefore cause its expansion.
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Yes. But they are two different issues. This is an expansion perhaps, but not exactly the same in regards to the shrinking middle class.
Not sure I follow.
Children of immigrants would also want to be in the middle class and therefore cause its expansion.
Just by wishing, you mean?
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I mean, illegals aren't becoming nurses and things or whatever... They don't have the paperwork to have those positions.
They do after "amnesty" and they get special funding. My sister in law just finished all this nursing crap to get licensed and most stopped at the level below her but many bilingual students weren't born here.
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Not sure I follow.
Just by wishing, you mean?
No. If they are citizens and getting middle class jobs, they are the middle class.
They do after "amnesty" and they get special funding. My sister in law just finished all this nursing crap to get licensed and most stopped at the level below her but many bilingual students weren't born here.
I don't believe in amnesty.
I believe that being a citizen should be easier. Not a just given, but easier.
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No. If they are citizens and getting middle class jobs, they are the middle class.
I don't believe in amnesty.
I believe that being a citizen should be easier. Not a just given, but easier.
I agree
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They do after "amnesty" and they get special funding. My sister in law just finished all this nursing crap to get licensed and most stopped at the level below her but many bilingual students weren't born here.
One getbigger - a trump supporter - said "let em stay" the moment trump said he might do just that.
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No. If they are citizens and getting middle class jobs, they are the middle class.
So the more immigrants we can get in, the more middle-clsss jobs we'll have?
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One getbigger - a trump supporter - said "let em stay" the moment trump said he might do just that.
Who is that? (or just give me a hint if you want)
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Yeah, women from the Phillipines are known to become nurses, and they're actually very good at it.
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So the more immigrants we can get in, the more middle-clsss jobs we'll have?
That's not what I'm saying.
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That's not what I'm saying.
I thought that's what you meant by this:
Children of immigrants would also want to be in the middle class and therefore cause its expansion.
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I thought that's what you meant by this:
No, I just meant that they become a part of the middle class as citizens with middle class jobs.
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No, I just meant that they become a part of the middle class as citizens with middle class jobs.
What did you mean by an expansion? (What's expanding IYO)