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Title: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 01, 2016, 12:44:20 AM
I know some of you see Rachel Maddow only as that dyke liberal news caster, but she is an expert of American political history, a Rhodes Scholar, and has a PhD from Oxford.

Here she discusses the history of nativism in the US

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-nativist-speech-follows-dark-us-pattern-755626563851
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: calfzilla on September 01, 2016, 01:26:31 AM
Is this a WYHI thread?
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 01, 2016, 01:30:05 AM
Is this a WYHI thread?

No, that would be a thread about ABC Good Morning America report Gio Benitez  :P
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on September 01, 2016, 05:04:21 AM
We are not Nativists, we are Patriots.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 01, 2016, 11:09:57 AM
We are not Nativists, we are Patriots.

Blaming your problems on filthy immigrants is the hallmark of nativism.  Trump's speech last night was classic nativism.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: The True Adonis on September 01, 2016, 12:19:15 PM
Its all white peoples fault.  Specifically white males.  ::)

Pathetic.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: James on September 01, 2016, 12:29:30 PM
I know some of you see Rachel Maddow only as that dyke liberal news caster, but she is an expert of American political history, a Rhodes Scholar, and has a PhD from Oxford.

Here she discusses the history of nativism in the US

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-nativist-speech-follows-dark-us-pattern-755626563851

Douche-Bag alert.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 01, 2016, 01:08:48 PM
I know some of you see Rachel Maddow only as that dyke liberal news caster, but she is an expert of American political history, a Rhodes Scholar, and has a PhD from Oxford.

Here she discusses the history of nativism in the US

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-nativist-speech-follows-dark-us-pattern-755626563851

All of that and no commonsense l.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: mass243 on September 01, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
White man is the only one able to wipe any other race or sex out of the surface of the world.

White mans ability to apply organized violence is non rivaled.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Walter Sobchak on September 01, 2016, 02:12:15 PM
I know some of you see Rachel Maddow only as that dyke liberal news caster, but she is an expert of American political history, a Rhodes Scholar, and has a PhD from Oxford.

Here she discusses the history of nativism in the US

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-nativist-speech-follows-dark-us-pattern-755626563851

Not clicking on a stupid brain dead liberal link.

But I would throat fuck Rachel Maddow with her entire family watching on Skype.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 01, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
Not clicking on a stupid brain dead liberal link.

Afraid to learn that this movement so dear to your heart is nothing new, history just repeating itself, and will end the same as before?
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: The True Adonis on September 01, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
 :D

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294099-poll-trump-leads-clinton-by-1-nationwide

September 01, 2016, 11:21 am
Rasmussen poll: Trump leads Clinton nationally
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Walter Sobchak on September 01, 2016, 02:19:01 PM
Afraid to learn that this movement so dear to your heart is nothing new, history just repeating itself, and will end the same as before?

As long as Hillary and Bill Clinton end up in prison, sanctuary cities get shut down, BLM implodes, and the Liberal cause gets eradicated for the next 100 years I don't give a fuck.

Liberalism is a fucking sickness. Idiots like you and your sickening lifestyle and beliefs need to be put back in the creepy closet or jails where you belong.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 01, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
I know some of you see Rachel Maddow only as that dyke liberal news caster, but she is an expert of American political history, a Rhodes Scholar, and has a PhD from Oxford.

Here she discusses the history of nativism in the US

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-nativist-speech-follows-dark-us-pattern-755626563851

For all her education she clueless on the Second Amendment , you're in good company Tim

Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: James on September 02, 2016, 07:11:20 AM
As long as Hillary and Bill Clinton end up in prison, sanctuary cities get shut down, BLM implodes, and the Liberal cause gets eradicated for the next 100 years I don't give a fuck.

Liberalism is a fucking sickness. Idiots like you and your sickening lifestyle and beliefs need to be put back in the creepy closet or jails where you belong.

the truth!
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Tapeworm on September 02, 2016, 07:15:19 AM
Immigrants in the movies were vetted and processed at Ellis Island.  Maybe it was the same in real life.  They didn't just walk in whenever they pleased.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Yamcha on September 02, 2016, 08:13:14 AM
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Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 02, 2016, 08:22:32 AM
the truth!

Of course, it's a sickness. The same infants who see white males as the scourge of the earth are all too happy to avail themselves to the latest goods and services, almost all of which were innovated by the evil white man.

Liberals are a joke and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 02, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
Immigrants in the movies were vetted and processed at Ellis Island.  Maybe it was the same in real life.  They didn't just walk in whenever they pleased.

Ellis Island opened in 1892.  All my ancestors arrived well before that, and walked right in (off the boat). 

(I have some ancestors in Jamestown Colony in 1620, tho most came up through New Orleans much later).
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Tapeworm on September 02, 2016, 06:32:48 PM
Right but you see what I'm saying.  Xenophobes failed to stop immigration and they were very unhappy with Ellis Island for processing immigrants.  Today we're accusing people of xenophobia if they want immigrants processed instead of just wandering on in.  It's not the same thing and basically amounts to name calling.

The bottom line is that pretty much the entire population of the third world wants to move to the first world.  Since they're not all going to fit, we have to say no to some people, which means being able to say no - having a door that you can close.

Of course, that's not very nice.  Especially since the US has often been responsible for things getting extra crappy in the same countries these people are trying to escape.  And it's not very fair either, since some of us (everyone on this board) were just lucky at birth and got to live in a land of egregious overconsumption and comfort while a lot of the rest of the world suffers and dies.  I think this could be solved and ought to be (and won't), but not by transplanting populations.

You have to be able to meet a guy and see what he's all about before you invite him in.  There's not much of a case to make against that.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: The Ugly on September 02, 2016, 06:38:46 PM
Right but you see what I'm saying.  Xenophobes failed to stop immigration and they were very unhappy with Ellis Island for processing immigrants.  Today we're accusing people of xenophobia if they want immigrants processed instead of just wandering on in.  It's not the same thing and basically amounts to name calling.

The bottom line is that pretty much the entire population of the third world wants to move to the first world.  Since they're not all going to fit, we have to say no to some people, which means being able to say no - having a door that you can close.

Of course, that's not very nice.  Especially since the US has often been responsible for things getting extra crappy in the same countries these people are trying to escape.  And it's not very fair either, since some of us (everyone on this board) were just lucky at birth and got to live in a land of egregious overconsumption and comfort while a lot of the rest of the world suffers and dies.  I think this could be solved and ought to be (and won't), but not by transplanting populations.

You have to be able to meet a guy and see what he's all about before you invite him in.  There's not much of a case to make against that.

Of course, but this is far too sensible for 2016. Their case begins and ends with "racist xenophobe!"
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: youandme on September 02, 2016, 06:52:51 PM
Bitch. Posting about a woman and her education is a beta as shit liberal move.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Tapeworm on September 02, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
Of course, but this is far too sensible for 2016. Their case begins and ends with "racist xenophobe!"

Mostly I'm scared of Americans.  Out of their goddamn minds.  ;D
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: The Ugly on September 02, 2016, 07:21:00 PM
Mostly I'm scared of Americans.  Out of their goddamn minds.  ;D

Me, too. Lots of favors here to terrify.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 02, 2016, 07:27:48 PM
Right but you see what I'm saying.  Xenophobes failed to stop immigration and they were very unhappy with Ellis Island for processing immigrants.  Today we're accusing people of xenophobia if they want immigrants processed instead of just wandering on in.  It's not the same thing and basically amounts to name calling.

1) have you ever watch a Trump rally or interviews of people at a Trump rally?  They're not for better processing.

2) it is very easy to justify your views, any view, as only wanting common sense. I'm sure people in the past would have said they were only wanting common sense.

3) did you watch the video? (don't know, it may be geo-locked) The parallels she makes between nativism of the past and what's going on today is striking.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Erik C on September 02, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
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3) did you watch the video? (don't know, it may be geo-locked) The parallels she makes between nativism of the past and what's going on today is striking.
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No it's not, you're just stupid enough to believe the dyke bitch.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Tapeworm on September 02, 2016, 07:35:06 PM
1) have you ever watch a Trump rally or interviews of people at a Trump rally?  They're not for better processing.

2) it is very easy to justify your views, any view, as only wanting common sense. I'm sure people in the past would have said they were only wanting common sense.

3) did you watch the video? (don't know, it may be geo-locked) The parallels she makes between nativism of the past and what's going on today is striking.

No, I'm saying what I'm for.

And my reasons so you could address them if you wanted to, and then there'd be a discussion happening.

No.  I pretty much just watch porn.  
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: The Ugly on September 02, 2016, 07:49:07 PM
1) have you ever watch a Trump rally or interviews of people at a Trump rally?  They're not for better processing.

2) it is very easy to justify your views, any view, as only wanting common sense. I'm sure people in the past would have said they were only wanting common sense.

3) did you watch the video? (don't know, it may be geo-locked) The parallels she makes between nativism of the past and what's going on today is striking.

Very well, then. No vetting. No limit. No border.

Not childish at all.

Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: calfzilla on September 02, 2016, 08:00:39 PM
American History Lesson: Betaism.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 02, 2016, 08:15:29 PM
Very well, then. No vetting. No limit. No border.

Not childish at all.

The nativism Maddow talked about was anti-Catholic.  These people were all for immigration, just the right kind of immigration, immigrants who shared their Protestant values.  Just common sense.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 02, 2016, 08:15:51 PM
I watched the video. He speaks well but her message is wrong. I liked at around 8 minutes the Trump clips started. Lots of great material and truth being spoken.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: The Ugly on September 02, 2016, 08:44:16 PM
The nativism Maddow talked about was anti-Catholic.  These people were all for immigration, just the right kind of immigration, immigrants who shared their Protestant values.  Just common sense.

But you were addressing Tape, whose focus was more general and entirely sensible. And you poo-pooed it.

Maddow's Catholic analogy is impossibly irrelevant, Tim. We were a young and stupid people - what culture ever wasn't? Can we really compare early American immigrants (same Euro-Christian values) to what we're getting today?

Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Chidoman on September 02, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
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Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: sync pulse on September 02, 2016, 10:33:35 PM
Is this Curly Joe DeRita?

Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Tapeworm on September 02, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
The nativism Maddow talked about was anti-Catholic.  These people were all for immigration, just the right kind of immigration, immigrants who shared their Protestant values.  Just common sense.

'Common values' would be a poor reason to let someone in imo.  That's some shit they can just say, not mean, no way to confirm it, and doesn't matter one bit if true anyway.

I'd tell the dude: Look, we've got 10 million applicants.  Every one of them shares common values - they want in.  100,000 are getting in.  Tell me something that puts you in the top 1%.  What have you got that we'll want?



Thank god I get to make these rules after my own immigration.  I never would have passed. :D
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: timfogarty on September 03, 2016, 01:22:31 AM
Maddow's Catholic analogy is impossibly irrelevant, Tim. We were a young and stupid people - what culture ever wasn't? Can we really compare early American immigrants (same Euro-Christian values) to what we're getting today?

again, have you listen to Trump's Wed night speech?  Have you heard his supporters?  Or the leaders of the current anti-immigrant movement? King, Coulter, Gellar

the anti-Catholic rhetoric is identical to the rhetoric going on today.  just different people being labeled the bad guys.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Nether Animal on September 03, 2016, 01:36:05 AM
I thought we asked you to stop posting this crap out of the Politics board?
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: The Ugly on September 03, 2016, 11:07:37 AM
again, have you listen to Trump's Wed night speech?  Have you heard his supporters?  Or the leaders of the current anti-immigrant movement? King, Coulter, Gellar

the anti-Catholic rhetoric is identical to the rhetoric going on today.  just different people being labeled the bad guys.

Fuck Trump and his mindless sycophants. Can't listen to that phony dope for five seconds. But what you and the Maddows are advocating is much worse.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 04, 2016, 03:42:54 AM
1) have you ever watch a Trump rally or interviews of people at a Trump rally?  They're not for better processing.

2) it is very easy to justify your views, any view, as only wanting common sense. I'm sure people in the past would have said they were only wanting common sense.

3) did you watch the video? (don't know, it may be geo-locked) The parallels she makes between nativism of the past and what's going on today is striking.

Please shut.up. you're embarrassing yourself.
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: mass243 on September 04, 2016, 04:03:31 AM
The issue with immigrants from Africa and middle east.

They are going to just turn the new place a shithole like the place they left from.

NO ONE has been able to explain why these people are still incapable of building the asphalt roads, or roads for that matter. Fucking Romans built plated roads 1000s of years ago and foundations can still be found all over the Europe.
What is the justification of African or Camel people they still can't do it?

It can't be justified by imperialism either. It was very recent phase in history.

And I'm not racist.


300 BC.

(http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/schools/primaryhistory/images/romans/roads_and_places/r_roman_road.jpg)
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: OB1 on September 04, 2016, 04:33:44 AM
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Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: Mr Anabolic on September 04, 2016, 04:42:20 AM
Fuck Trump and his mindless sycophants. Can't listen to that phony dope for five seconds. But what you and the Maddows are advocating is much worse.

All of it is a complete shit show... ALL OF IT. 
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: SF1900 on September 04, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
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Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: SF1900 on September 04, 2016, 08:54:29 AM
The Illusion of Free Choice when it comes to voting.

(http://www.funelf.net/photos/The-illusion-of-free-choice.jpg)
Title: Re: American History Lesson - Nativism
Post by: OB1 on September 04, 2016, 08:57:04 AM
The Illusion of Free Choice when it comes to voting.

(http://www.funelf.net/photos/The-illusion-of-free-choice.jpg)

Brilliant.
And sad but true.