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Professional Delusional Illusionists (PDI) is ecstatic to announce that the first ever event of it's kind in the history of modern bodybuilding since Monday will take place in London on October 32nd 2006.* Prize money will be $300,000*
The venue will be announced shortly - hopefully before the event. We are currently looking at several phone booths in the better parts of London as we are expecting at least 1 competitor, 1 official, 3 International Judges and 4 fans.* Tickets will be on sale soon, somewhere by somebody, but we can't say yet*
The athlete competing will be offered a complete medical check up free of charge at the London Hospital For The Severely Mentally Disturbed. If you call the hospital they will have no idea that this is going to happen but believe me I'm telling the truth and if you don't believe me ask "InsiderZ"*
We are hoping to make this an annual event but if not we will put it on every year and hope you can all come* We cannot reveal any more information as it is all rather hush hush, secret secret stuff that not even James Bond knows so plese be patient. As Confucious once said "It will all come out in the wash"
*Please note that all of these details could, and probably will be changed at anytime.
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Bob Chick and the other douchebag mods will let this post stay, despite its blatent unfunny lies.
However, serious questions about the integrity of the IFBB Athlete's Rep will be referred to the delete button.
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Bob Chick and the other douchebag mods will let this post stay, despite its blatent unfunny lies.
However, serious questions about the integrity of the IFBB Athlete's Rep will be referred to the delete button.
It's funny how that double standard works around here.......
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Bob Chick and the other douchebag mods will let this post stay, despite its blatent unfunny lies.
However, serious questions about the integrity of the IFBB Athlete's Rep will be referred to the delete button.
Why not let it stay...we let YOUR blatent unfunny posts stay.
you find a job yet? For that matter...did you even leave the house today?
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Great post
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Maybe it's just me, but I found it rather amusing 8)
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Bob Chick and the other douchebag mods will let this post stay, despite its blatent unfunny lies.
However, serious questions about the integrity of the IFBB Athlete's Rep will be referred to the delete button.
The post was not intending to amuse. It was to inform the public of my intention to promote a show in the UK as part of a worldwide initiative.
You use this forum to promote your business, why can't I?
Are you also going to call for the other announcements to be deleted too?
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Hey 240- Specifically, where are the "lies?" Blatantly (not blatent) unfunny is your opinion- cool. But I'm not sure I'm seeing anything in that post that was meant to be serious. If it's a parody, where are the lies that make it ban-worthy?
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This thread shouldn't be banned.
Just like the Colorado Foe thread shouldn't have been.
My point was, IF you're going to delete one, delete all of them about this topic. But only deleting those that go against IFBB thinking is wrong.
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Great post ;D I wish PDI knew how funny they sound.
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This thread shouldn't be banned.
Just like the Colorado Foe thread shouldn't have been.
My point was, IF you're going to delete one, delete all of them about this topic. But only deleting those that go against IFBB thinking is wrong.
If you stop trying to have this thread banned I may let you do the website.
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If you stop trying to have this thread banned I may let you do the website.
No thanks to teh website!
And like I said, I have no prob with your thread, as long as mine, on the opposite side of the political divide, can stay.
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I'm always for less censorship. I say let them all stay--as long as this board isn't overrun with unfunny parodies. I'm looking at you, 240. ;D My only concern with Wayne's Yahoo Account Federation is that some guys might get cheered on to join by sites like this (it's so cool and anti-establishment), without really thinking about what it can mean for their career. There's very little chance it'll be around 2 years from now, and Wayne's history is nowhere near as sugar-coated as it is on this site. PDI has also been one lame half-ass announcement after another. Remember the "medical benefits" that turned out to be a physical as part of some anti-steroid test in a Boston mental hospital?! Taking the piss out PDI (as this board always has the IFBB) is part of GetBig's duty. Carry on.
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I'm always for less censorship. I say let them all stay--as long as this board isn't overrun with unfunny parodies. I'm looking at you, 240. ;D My only concern with Wayne's Yahoo Account Federation is that some guys might get cheered on to join by sites like this (it's so cool and anti-establishment), without really thinking about what it can mean for their career. There's very little chance it'll be around 2 years from now, and Wayne's history is nowhere near as sugar-coated as it is on this site. PDI has also been one lame half-ass announcement after another. Remember the "medical benefits" that turned out to be a physical as part of some anti-steroid test in a Boston mental hospital?! Taking the piss out PDI (as this board always has the IFBB) is part of GetBig's duty. Carry on.
Wayne's Yahoo Account Federation...hahahahahah a ;D
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Interesting stuff going on here. Good!!... I've been bored sh%%less watching the same guys win shows 10 years in a row!! Get real man, we need different judges at different shows. We need shows in different countries and we need new blood too. It doesnt matter if their top amateurs or Pro's.
You see the public doesn't know the difference between Mr Podunk down the street or Mr G.H. of the year.
They'll pay the same to get in.
And BTW.....If 25 shows happen next year or whatever, isn't that more photo-shoots and more radio shows and more pocket money for all here?
Yes this is my first post. :o ;)
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Interesting stuff going on here. Good!!... I've been bored sh%%less watching the same guys win shows 10 years in a row!! Get real man, we need different judges at different shows. We need shows in different countries and we need new blood too. It doesnt matter if their top amateurs or Pro's.
You see the public doesn't know the difference between Mr Podunk down the street or Mr G.H. of the year.
They'll pay the same to get in.
And BTW.....If 25 shows happen next year or whatever, isn't that more photo-shoots and more radio shows and more pocket money for all here?
Yes this is my first post. :o ;)
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
We are going to do all we can to make this sport grow.
As President of this organization I can tell you that I will personally ensure that the same person does not win over and over again and have instructed my judge to make sure it never happens.
At the moment it would be difficult for us to have different judges at each show because we only have one but in the interest of fairness I do intend to rotate him at the event. So what if he gets dizzy.
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Kevin: why diss this organization when they are seemingly doomed for failure anyway (judging by the tone of your post)? In my opinion, you (and probably all of the Weider organization) are scared right now. You know that Wayne was a damn good promoter.Yes I admit it, I am scared. That's why I have decided to promote a show
The Olympia venue in 2005 was a complete disaster. I could have put on a better venue myself and I am dead serious when I say that! And guess who WASN'T promoting it any more. ::)Well why don't you put on a show? Yes, you are correct, Wayne was not promoting the show. But the prize money available was the highest ever. Doesn't that count for something
The only thing I don't like about FLEX is how fake it is. If I wanted to read any UNBIASED reports about the PDI I would read MD. Same as how in 2005 I read MD for unbiased reports on Alex Fedorov.Sorry you don't like the magazine.
I will hopefully be making full reviews of both of these magazines soon month by month. Once I finish my backlog of DVDs to review.[size=10ptGood luck[/size]
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Professional Delusional Illusionists (PDI) is ecstatic to announce that the first ever event of it's kind in the history of modern bodybuilding since Monday will take place in London on October 32nd 2006.*
Prize money will be $300,000*
The venue will be announced shortly - hopefully before the event. We are currently looking at several phone booths in the better parts of London as we are expecting at least 1 competitor, 1 official, 3 International Judges and 4 fans.*
Tickets will be on sale soon, somewhere by somebody, but we can't say yet*
The athlete competing will be offered a complete medical check up free of charge at the London Hospital For The Severely Mentally Disturbed. If you call the hospital they will have no idea that this is going to happen but believe me I'm telling the truth and if you don't believe me ask "InsiderZ"*
We are hoping to make this an annual event but if not we will put it on every year and hope you can all come*
We cannot reveal any more information as it is all rather hush hush, secret secret stuff that not even James Bond knows so plese be patient. As Confucious once said "It will all come out in the wash"
*Please note that all of these details could, and probably will be changed at anytime.
Wow. Kevin sure is looking out for the sport ::) Why would you not want PDI to try to help today's BBer's suceed? I hope it helps BBer's who are having to work two jobs, don't have a sponser, or get as many photoshoots make a better living. It also looks to make the sport more worldwide - which certainly shouldn't hurt magazine sales overall - and the sport in general. I'm not certain why you mock these topics.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence.
We are going to do all we can to make this sport grow.
As President of this organization I can tell you that I will personally ensure that the same person does not win over and over again and have instructed my judge to make sure it never happens.
At the moment it would be difficult for us to have different judges at each show because we only have one but in the interest of fairness I do intend to rotate him at the event. So what if he gets dizzy.
Yeah...Good luck. ::)
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Kevin isn't concerned about BODYBUILDING, he's concerned about WEIDER. If the PDI was really such an obvious disaster would it really need to be pointed out. ::)
He's obviously scared. Makes me lose respect for FLEX that's for damn sure. And to think I was going to use my website to give them praise to thousands of daily visitors. If Kevin's attitude is any reflection of the Weider organization, maybe I should use my pages to point that out.
I say: let the Weider monopoly fail. I'm sure a lot of bodybuilders are sick of their exploitative bullshit. What do you think the free market is about? ::)
And I LIKED the magazine. I buy it every month in fact and was planning to make complete month to month unbiased reviews which would no doubt promote sales. I just don't like certain things about it. And your attitude in this thread is a reflection of the stuff about Weider I do not like.
My subscription to Flex and Muscle & Fitness are no longer.
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Wow. Kevin sure is looking out for the sport ::) Why would you not want PDI to try to help today's BBer's suceed? I hope it helps BBer's who are having to work two jobs, don't have a sponser, or get as many photoshoots make a better living. It also looks to make the sport more worldwide - which certainly shouldn't hurt magazine sales overall - and the sport in general. I'm not certain why you mock these topics.
What I've questioned is the validity of the claims being made about this new organisation.
Even Wayne is amused by the people who come on these boards claiming to have information from him. When questioned they either ignore it or say "Why do you think you should know"
Surely basic information such as dates, venues, athletes being made avaiable wil only help the cause not hinder it?
Today we get a list of three shows. Still no venue details, No sponsor details. No names of athletes appearing. ODD?
I received an e-mail from the NY Theatre stating that the show was not confirmed yet. ODD?
One regular poster here has repeatedly attacked Shawn Ray over his show due to changes in the athletes possible appearing yet is the PDI's number one fanboy despite the fact they only have one competitor!
We were told that an agreement was made with a leadig hospital for all athletes to have a yearly medical. While everyone was applauding this, I called them up and asked for the details. Turns out that there was no agreement.
If this is a genuine organisation with genuine intentions to help grow the sport then I wish it well but until I see something more substantial than a "press release" I'm not going to jump from the roof tops like others here.
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I didn't know that being an IFBB stooge a requirement to work for FLEX,
apparently Kevins assignment for this month is to patrol the boards and
save us all from Wayne's lies. :o
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One regular poster here has repeatedly attacked Shawn Ray over his show due to changes in the athletes possible appearing yet is the PDI's number one fanboy despite the fact they only have one competitor!
That's pretty much 240 in a nutshell.
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He's obviously scared. Makes me lose respect for FLEX that's for damn sure. And to think I was going to use my website to give them praise to thousands of daily visitors. If Kevin's attitude is any reflection of the Weider organization, maybe I should use my pages to point that out.What on earth do I have to be scared of. If the PDI was to go ahead I've already been invited. As for my opinions, they are my own and have nothing to do with Weider, but of course that wouldn't fit well into your conspiracy theory. If revealing revealing my attitude to your site visitors helps you in anyway, please feel free to mention me. I wll of course expect a commision on all sales
I say: let the Weider monopoly fail. I'm sure a lot of bodybuilders are sick of their exploitative bullshit. What do you think the free market is about? ::)I'm all for a free market. Competition is great for any business.
And I LIKED the magazine. I buy it every month in fact and was planning to make complete month to month unbiased reviews which would no doubt promote sales. I just don't like certain things about it. And your attitude in this thread is a reflection of the stuff about Weider I do not like.
Sorry that my attitude would detract from your enjoyment of the magazine. I'm intrigued as to what it is you don't like about Weider
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Sounds reasonable, and neither am I.
I'm confused Here you are agreeing with me and in another post attacking my integrity!
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I didn't know that being an IFBB stooge a requirement to work for FLEX,
apparently Kevins assignment for this month is to patrol the boards and
save us all from Wayne's lies. :o
I don't work for FLEX.
I am an independent company with two major shareholders. The bank and the IRS.
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And to think I was going to use my website to give them praise to thousands of daily visitors. If Kevin's attitude is any reflection of the Weider organization, maybe I should use my pages to point that out.
A few posts back you said you thought Flex was fake, Now you say say you were going to praise it!
I suggest you try to be a little more consistent otherwise how are we to know if your reviews are accurate?
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I'm saying you could have phrased your opinion much in the manner of what I quoted from the get go. Your original post seemed somewhat petty.
The original post in this thread or my first one doubting the validity of the PDI when it was first mentioned by InsiderZ a few months ago?
If you're referring to this thread then please show it the obvious respect you show to the PDI's recent announcement.
At this moment in time it has the same valdity as their's. If you don't agree with our approach then please feel free to not attend*
*This could of course change at a moments notice.
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Kevin Horton,
Like Bob Chick, you have used this PDI threat to show your true colors.
At least admit your bias here. You make your money for FLEX and J Manion. You are here bashing PDI to get in their good graces.
Now, let's see how many people come to your defense.
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Kevin Horton,
Like Bob Chick, you have used this PDI threat to show your true colors.
At least admit your bias here. You make your money for FLEX and J Manion. You are here bashing PDI to get in their good graces.
Now, let's see how many people come to your defense.
No need to be so formal, you can use my first name.
First off, I do not see the PDI as a threat. Just as I do not see NABBA as a threat. Why should I?
While it has made for interesting debate it has yet to reveal itself as anything more than an illusion.
My questioning of the PDI is not biased because I freelance for FLEX, know Bob or J Manion. It's biased because I know Wayne!
We are al guilty of bias, if I judged a beauty contest, the blonde would win everytime. I could be in trouble here as my wife is brunette!
I'm surprised that your MBA education allows you to accept everything at face value. Read the announcements, make the calls and you'll start to see where things don't match up.
The PDI is just like the Loch Ness Monster, it's not there, we just can't prove it.
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Interesting how Kevin is saying shit now about the PDI. You are the one who calls Wayne and he has told you a few times about the NOC and explained about the tickets and offered you proof about the show validity. Man remind when I meet not to trust you. You talk bad about PDI from the start. Now there is a press release and everything giving more details and your mouth still spouts shit. You and Chic should put your two heads together and form a rock.
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Read the announcements, make the calls and you'll start to see where things don't match up.
The PDI is just like the Loch Ness Monster, it's not there, we just can't prove it.
I've read the announcements. I spent an hour on the phone with Mr. DeMilia today. Hell, I've spoke to a few of the athletes.
If I smelled ONE OUNCE of shadiness in the PDI, you can bet your bottom dollar that every getbigger would be reading about it right now. I have no financial stake in it, as my money comes from promoting athletes from all sides (actually, 85% of my income comes from local sources- getbig is a minor piece).
I'm shooting it straight here.
Are you?
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I'm confused Here you are agreeing with me and in another post attacking my integrity!
Um having your name in the sentance as integrity is kind of funny ;D
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Luckily Kevin you are not a real good photographer it will be easier to say no to you when you come begging for press passes.
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Interesting how Kevin is saying shit now about the PDI. You are the one who calls Wayne and he has told you a few times about the NOC and explained about the tickets and offered you proof about the show validity. Man remind when I meet not to trust you. You talk bad about PDI from the start. Now there is a press release and everything giving more details and your mouth still spouts shit. You and Chic should put your two heads together and form a rock.
Careful, you are approaching meltdown territory.
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Interesting how Kevin is saying shit now about the PDI. You are the one who calls Wayne and he has told you a few times about the NOC and explained about the tickets and offered you proof about the show validity. Man remind when I meet not to trust you. You talk bad about PDI from the start. Now there is a press release and everything giving more details and your mouth still spouts shit. You and Chic should put your two heads together and form a rock.
The valliant knight rides in to defend his fair maiden.
I'll type this slowly in the hope that you understand. I have not called Wayne. We have however exchanged a few e-mails and their contents have not changed my opinion.
I'm hurt that you no longer trust me so I'll do whatever I can to make it up to you. Let's see, if we plan on meeting at a PDI show I'll have forever!
You're so right about that press release it's full of information. When you hold your copy real close can you smell your boys perfume on it?
I love the joke about me, chic and the rock. Intelligent jokes are always the best.
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Luckily Kevin you are not a real good photographer it will be easier to say no to you when you come begging for press passes.
Oohhh, hurtful.
That's a bit below the belt
I really felt that one
:-)
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I've read the announcements. I spent an hour on the phone with Mr. DeMilia today. Hell, I've spoke to a few of the athletes.
If I smelled ONE OUNCE of shadiness in the PDI, you can bet your bottom dollar that every getbigger would be reading about it right now. I have no financial stake in it, as my money comes from promoting athletes from all sides (actually, 85% of my income comes from local sources- getbig is a minor piece).
I'm shooting it straight here.
Are you?
Of course you are not allowed to reveal the name of any of these athletes?
When will they become members of the PDI, the morning of the show?
If they are so intent on joining why are they not doing so now?
Would the lie about the agreement with the hospital add up to an ounce?
You're not shooting it straight because you're playing Wayne's hand.
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Um having your name in the sentance as integrity is kind of funny ;D
Have you been drinking or is literacy not your strong point ;D:-)
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Have you been drinking or is literacy not your strong point ;D:-)
You insult him, then you forget the question mark at the end of your question.
Nice.
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I'd like to make a point here - 240 loves to dig dirt and make fun of people. What does that have to do with PDI? Well, if PDI was baloney, he would be making fun of it for a thousand posts and made a Ziggy comic to go along with it.
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You insult him, then you forget the question mark at the end of your question.
Nice.
Thanks for taking the time to point out that error though there is a difference between illiteracy and poor punctuation.
As you've notoced that post. could you look at the one above and answer those questions. That's assuming you have Wayne's persmission.
I hear you've already applied to become the PDI's Athletes Rep.
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Flex showing some quality journalistic integrity again. Whoopy doo.
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Flex showing some quality journalistic integrity again. Whoopy doo.
What does Flex have to do with this?
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Of course you are not allowed to reveal the name of any of these athletes?
That is up to Wayne
When will they become members of the PDI, the morning of the show?
Of course not. It will be done in plenty of time and a lot sooner than Shawn letting us know about his show, not a put down just making a point.
If they are so intent on joining why are they not doing so now?
How do you know they already havn't?
Would the lie about the agreement with the hospital add up to an ounce?
PM me for that answer
You're not shooting it straight because you're playing Wayne's hand.
Not sure if that is applicable for me to answer. ;D Just trying to answer best I can.
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I've sent a PM.
So there is a possibility that some athletes have joined the PDI but as a condition of signing they have to await Wayne's approval before they make the announcement?
Does this also apply to the promoter in the UK and the rest of Europe?
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I've sent a PM.
So there is a possibility that some athletes have joined the PDI but as a condition of signing they have to await Wayne's approval before they make the announcement?
Does this also apply to the promoter in the UK and the rest of Europe?
Not sure about the UK and Europe. I am curious to know if any of the NABBA and WABBA guys are competing also. I never bothered to ask Wayne. You would probably know better than me about how popular they are over there. Some of them guys are huge. A friend of mine went to Australia to compete in a NABBA show a couple of years ago. Even the over 50 guys are huge and in condition. Way better than the guys in the Masters here.
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Not sure about the UK and Europe. I am curious to know if any of the NABBA and WABBA guys are competing also. I never bothered to ask Wayne. You would probably know better than me about how popular they are over there. Some of them guys are huge. A friend of mine went to Australia to compete in a NABBA show a couple of years ago. Even the over 50 guys are huge and in condition. Way better than the guys in the Masters here.
There are some very good physiques in NABBA. The huge problem here is promoting succesful shows. The audiences have dwindled over the years.
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There are some very good physiques in NABBA. The huge problem here is promoting succesful shows. The audiences have dwindled over the years.
I think they have dwindled all over for everyone. :(
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I think they have dwindled all over for everyone. :(
Yes, this is why I can't understand this secrecy over the identity of the promoter and sponsors. These shows need as much publicity as possible to make them viable. The mystery promoter here must ne extremely confident of his abilities.
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Yes, this is why I can't understand this secrecy over the identity of the promoter and sponsors. These shows need as much publicity as possible to make them viable. The mystery promoter here must ne extremely confident of his abilities.
Well, like I said before, I think you're getting Wayne's timetable for making announcements confused with it being some sort of secret. I do agree with you on one thing, Wayne is confident.
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Okay, okay. Timetable schmimetable. This is fun and all, but someone- anyone- Who are the freaking athletes in PDI and why must their names remain a secret?! Right now it's all just a sh*tload of big talk about the author of The Call of The Wild.
onlyme- please do something to get 240 to spill the beans. Give him a massage or something. And 240, why would Wayne trust you with the names as opposed to, say, someone who actually has something to do with bodybuilding? Even Alexxx would be a better choice.
and where the hell is Special Ed when you need him??
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Well, like I said before, I think you're getting Wayne's timetable for making announcements confused with it being some sort of secret. I do agree with you on one thing, Wayne is confident.
I realise the need for a timetable but if we can know the proposed dates, why not the identity of the promoter. Why is the NY show still not confirmed with the theatre?
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Okay, okay. Timetable schmimetable. This is fun and all, but someone- anyone- Who are the freaking athletes in PDI and why must their names remain a secret?! Right now it's all just a sh*tload of big talk about the author of The Call of The Wild.
onlyme- please do something to get 240 to spill the beans. Give him a massage or something. And 240, why would Wayne trust you with the names as opposed to, say, someone who actually has something to do with bodybuilding? Even Alexxx would be a better choice.
and where the hell is Special Ed when you need him??
The rumor is that 240 has joined the PDI and that is why he has been so vocal in their defence and so critical of the IFBB and many of their athletes - all the ones who are not joining the PDI?. It's also rumored that he's negotiating an exclusive deal to provide web sites for the athletes.
Recent sightings have him at a secret location along wiht Onlyme undergoing training for their roles as PDI Evangelists.
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I realise the need for a timetable but if we can know the proposed dates, why not the identity of the promoter. Why is the NY show still not confirmed with the theatre?
Instead of you asking why hasn't it been confirmed, why not tell us how you know this? Did someone tell you? Did you call the theater? What did you ask them? From what I gather you spoke with Wayne or at least emailed him. Did you ask him any of these questions? If not, why? This was the perfect time to set the record straight.
BTW, Wayne tried to call you, maybe he had the wrong number, but I'm sure that if you email him your number he will call. Then maybe all of this confusion will become clear.
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Instead of you asking why hasn't it been confirmed, why not tell us how you know this? Did someone tell you? Did you call the theater? What did you ask them? From what I gather you spoke with Wayne or at least emailed him. Did you ask him any of these questions? If not, why? This was the perfect time to set the record straight.
Yes I spoke with the Theatre. They said the show has not been confirmed.
Yes I asked Wayne. All he asid was who wasn't running the show!
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Recent sightings have him at a secret location along wiht Onlyme undergoing training for their roles as PDI Evangelists.
It sounds good Kev.
we'll have an alternative church where to go.
There are rumors, but there are so many infidels around, about the Church of the IFBB Believers.
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It sounds good Kev.
we'll have an alternative church where to go.
There are rumors, but there are so many infidels around, about the Church of the IFBB Believers.
Glad you showed up. Do you have the number of the place you got your ticket for the NY show?
Quite a few people are interested and I'd hate for them to lose out
Cheers
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Glad you showed up. Do you have the number of the place you got your ticket for the NY show?
Quite a few people are interested and I'd hate for them to lose out
Cheers
damn, dude, do you ever sleep? or do you just wait by the computer for opportunities to sally forth and attack the PDI?
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Some people seem overly enthusiastic about uncovering details, whilst the majority couldn't care less until its a real federation with athletes.
Until then, this discussion is a waste of time.
Any "name" that might tentatively be interested is surely not going to want this to be known just yet (and by "name" I mean someone with something to lose should it not go ahead)
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Question:
When and how did Wayne Demilia suddenly become such a hero and savior of competitive bodybuilding when for years he reveled in and cashed in on promoting essentially the same old, same old bodybuilding shows under the IFBB guise?
And how is he or his shows (if they ever take place) going to be any different under PDI to what they were before?
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Until then, this discussion is a waste of time.
I agree.
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I agree.
Interesting, why then post this thread antagonising such discussion.
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Glad you showed up. Do you have the number of the place you got your ticket for the NY show?
Quite a few people are interested and I'd hate for them to lose out
Cheers
Kevin, what my seat number got to do with the few people interested?
By the way, I don't sell ticket for NoC.
You should call or email Wayne to know how, when, where and how much.
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Interesting, why then post this thread antagonising such discussion.
Zing!
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The Olympia venue in 2005 was a complete disaster. I could have put on a better venue myself and I am dead serious when I say that! And guess who WASN'T promoting it any more.
Yes, you are correct, Wayne was not promoting the show. But the prize money available was the highest ever. Doesn't that count for something
Increasing the prize money didn't make a bit of difference to the fans attending the show. What we saw were the obvious cuts made by AMI/IFBB; a downgrade in hotel/facilities, the expo 5 miles away, charging to enter the expo, increased ticket prices, & cuts/consolidation of events. Raising the prize money only counts for something if you can also maintain the quality of the event.
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Increasing the prize money didn't make a bit of difference to the fans attending the show. What we saw were the obvious cuts made by AMI/IFBB; a downgrade in hotel/facilities, the expo 5 miles away, charging to enter the expo, increased ticket prices, & cuts/consolidation of events. Raising the prize money only counts for something if you can also maintain the quality of the event.
And how about helping incresing the prize $ for the other shows. Like it makes a dif if Ronnie or Jay make $2500 more. Add the money to other shows where it is needed.
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just wanted to bump this thread that is full of valuable info regarding bodybuilding and hence left in the G&O section.
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A new fed will die. IFBB will live. Photographers know everything. and what they dont know they ignore
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Kevin, what my seat number got to do with the few people interested?
By the way, I don't sell ticket for NoC.
You should call or email Wayne to know how, when, where and how much.
Because your claim to have a seat for the NY show is as honest as the rest of the garbage you write here.
I have soken to Wayne:
"I don't know who the guy is, We don't have any tickets for $50!
Rows 4-9 are the VIP package and they are selling very well for $200. Lots of people on these sites are saying things that I am suppose ! to be doing that I know nothing about. I find it all quite amusing."
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Interesting, why then post this thread antagonising such discussion.
The original post had a purpose.
The discussion after was pointless.
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The original post had a purpose.
The discussion after was pointless.
thats right. the first post was the only good one here.
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thats right. the first post was the only good one here.
I absolutley agree
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Increasing the prize money didn't make a bit of difference to the fans attending the show. What we saw were the obvious cuts made by AMI/IFBB; a downgrade in hotel/facilities, the expo 5 miles away, charging to enter the expo, increased ticket prices, & cuts/consolidation of events. Raising the prize money only counts for something if you can also maintain the quality of the event.
Many have said the Mandalay was amazing because you shared a hotel with the pros. Ex-greats were everywhere. Now, the Orleans is a dump, many of the athletes won't even stay there, and the whole thing is inconvenient. It used to be, the BBers took over the hotel, the club, and the weekend. Now, NO ONE has said it's just as nice. Everyone seems to agree it's a downgrade.
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The purpose of the first post was fine Kevin, I just didn't understand the reasons for the mockery. I know a little bit more about the situation now, so it's been pretty well cleared up.
But from what I can tell, the PDI won't be going anywhere fast, so it shouldn't even be worth worrying about.
I wouldn't agree that I was mocking the PDI, it was more of a parody of their announcements and their small band of very vocal supporters who take great comfort in attacking the IFBB, AMI/Weider. Bob Chic etc. but if you dare to question anything about their hero they'll gang together like a pack of bitches.
I've spoken to Wayne, potential promoters and sponsors, and they have cleared up any doubts I previously had about this venture.
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Interesting.
I thought you had started off with the low blows, but it seems that 240 and the gang did. I guess I hadn't really been following it. In which case, flame away.
If 240 can dish it, I sure as hell hope he can take it. However, I doubt he can, and the last time he had a good owning, he deleted his account after having a meltdown only to re-register less than 15 minutes later under a new handle lol. ;D
You guys aren't going to let that go, are you? ;D
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Interesting.
I thought you had started off with the low blows, but it seems that 240 and the gang did. I guess I hadn't really been following it. In which case, flame away.
If 240 can dish it, I sure as hell hope he can take it. However, I doubt he can, and the last time he had a good owning, he deleted his account after having a meltdown only to re-register less than 15 minutes later under a new handle lol. ;D
I didn't know that 240 was so emotionally insecure so I'll take this oppurtunity to appologise for any distress I may have caused him. I'd hate for him to have a meltdown especially as he's so happy with his new position within the heirachy of their beloved PDI.
Selection process is over and as he kept his head down the boss's pants the longest he gets to be janitor this week.
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I didn't know that 240 was so emotionally insecure so I'll take this oppurtunity to appologise for any distress I may have caused him. I'd hate for him to have a meltdown especially as he's so happy with his new position within the heirachy of their beloved PDI.
Selection process is over and as he kept his head down the boss's pants the longest he gets to be janitor this week.
Kevin,
Um, you're a schmoe photog who can only get parttime work, right?
Not sure you're the best judge of emotional stability. You'd be one social snub away from eating your own gun if you weren't too liberal to buy one.
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Kevin,
Um, you're a schmoe photog who can only get parttime work, right?
Not sure you're the best judge of emotional stability. You'd be one social snub away from eating your own gun if you weren't too liberal to buy one.
Is it Robert?
First off I'm glad you responded because as you hadn't posted for a while I thought they'd either cut off the electricity to your trailer or you'd been caught stealing cable from your neighbour again. So welcome back.
But I am dissapointed in you. Is that the best attack you can mount?
Don't rehash one liners from Comedy Central, exercise that MBA mind of yours and try to come up with something a little more original.
And to think I was feeling sorry for you after hearing all about your previous meltdown on here.
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Is it Robert?
First off I'm glad you responded because as you hadn't posted for a while I thought they'd either cut off the electricity to your trailer or you'd been caught stealing cable from your neighbour again. So welcome back.
But I am dissapointed in you. Is that the best attack you can mount?
Don't rehash one liners from Comedy Central, exercise that MBA mind of yours and try to come up with something a little more original.
And to think I was feeling sorry for you after hearing all about your previous meltdown on here.
Well, I don't live in a mobile home, but I do invest in them, as they are steady earners. You will never hear a person with a sound business sense hating on mobile homes, as the elderly ALWAYS pay rent. But we already knew you lacked business sense.
And I don't think you're going to find one person not named Bob Chick who is going to say "Kevin Horton is NOT a 3rd tier parttime schmoe photog". Try it! you third tier cats must run together...
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Well, I don't live in a mobile home, but I do invest in them, as they are steady earners. You will never hear a person with a sound business sense hating on mobile homes, as the elderly ALWAYS pay rent. But we already knew you lacked business sense.
And I don't think you're going to find one person not named Bob Chick who is going to say "Kevin Horton is NOT a 3rd tier parttime schmoe photog". Try it! you third tier cats must run together...
You're still disapponting me. I thought you were much better than this.
There I was thinking you were the perfect person to emulate. I'm a relative newcomer to this forum stuff so I was hoping for some guidance. As you had been such a prolific poster here I thought I could learn from you.
I even understand your lack of self confidence because I had it too as a kid. I'd try to be the joker so that the bullies would pick on someone else, most of the time it worked.
Like you I joined a gym and started training so I'd be bigger and hope that then people would respect me. I didn't go as far as you though. I never sent my picture to a magazine. That must have been a bizz seeing yourself in there?
So I made my gains, but saw others getting bigger and stronger and I resented it. So behind their backs I'd bitch and whine about how much gear they took and what A-Holes they were. Of course I'd never say it to their face! If the internet had been around then I'd have had a wonderful time, hiding behind the keyboard, insulting everyone, making myself feel tough.
It's so much easier to attack other people rather than face up to your own failings.
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Kevin,
you're weird.
HTH.
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Kevin,
you're weird.
HTH.
I am but your reflection.
Only I'm better looking.
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what a shallow thing to write
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what a shallow thing to write
Only 240 would truly understand the depth of the statement.
I'm only having a little fun with the kid. He loves to ridicule othereop ple so I'm just seeing how well he handles a little heat pur on him.
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Only 240 would truly understand the depth of the statement.
I'm only having a little fun with the kid. He loves to ridicule othereop ple so I'm just seeing how well he handles a little heat pur on him.
Dude, I have nothing to gain by arguing with you. You're a schmoe.
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Only 240 would truly understand the depth of the statement.
I'm only having a little fun with the kid. He loves to ridicule othereop ple so I'm just seeing how well he handles a little heat pur on him.
Tread carefully, 240 is a powerful enemy.
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Dude, I have nothing to gain by arguing with you. You're a schmoe.
Surely you can do better than "You're a schmoe"?
Come one, you've got an MBA. Surely you can do better than that?
Your sorority friends would be so disappointed in you.
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Surely you can do better than "You're a schmoe"?
Come one, you've got an MBA. Surely you can do better than that?
Your sorority friends would be so disappointed in you.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools. Cause from a distance, people can't tell who's who.
If it was Bob Chick, Milos, Shawn Ray, or some person in power with a personal agenda abusing his/her powers or lying to the fans, I engage in an argument. Personal credibility, intellectual and political capital is exchanged, and I am often the winner, and sometimes the loser.
One has nothing to gain from arguing with you. You're a nobody schmoe. You're not even a joke, because nobody really cares to know or read about you. Now go back to spamming us with flexonline pics you didn't take, and chiming in with the company line about how PDI this & that, when you really don't know what's going on.
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Tread carefully, 240 is a powerful enemy.
No he's really a nice kid when you get to know him.
He can be really funny but he shoule be more positive with the humor instead of just ridiculing people.
Look at how he attacks Bob.
There's a guy who's living the bodybuiilding dream. He's in Venice, training at Gold's everyday, hanging out at the Firehouse and the MaxMuscle store. He's doing everything a young bodybuilder reads about in the magazines. Throw in the facts that he's also charismatic, intelligent, succesfull, 2nd only to me in the good looks department, he's never dated an ugly woman and he's respected by everyone who knows him.
Deep down, that's what 240 wants to be like - heck even I'd love Bob's life - but he doesn't think he's capable of it so he attacks. Once he grows in confidence we'll be seeing him and envying him too.
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No he's really a nice kid when you get to know him.
He can be really funny but he shoule be more positive with the humor instead of just ridiculing people.
Look at how he attacks Bob.
There's a guy who's living the bodybuiilding dream. He's in Venice, training at Gold's everyday, hanging out at the Firehouse and the MaxMuscle store. He's doing everything a young bodybuilder reads about in the magazines. Throw in the facts that he's also charismatic, intelligent, succesfull, 2nd only to me in the good looks department, he's never dated an ugly woman and he's respected by everyone who knows him.
Deep down, that's what 240 wants to be like - heck even I'd love Bob's life - but he doesn't think he's capable of it so he attacks. Once he grows in confidence we'll be seeing him and envying him too.
a bodybuilder's dream, wow, something we all aspire for.
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No he's really a nice kid when you get to know him.
He can be really funny but he shoule be more positive with the humor instead of just ridiculing people.
Look at how he attacks Bob.
There's a guy who's living the bodybuiilding dream. He's in Venice, training at Gold's everyday, hanging out at the Firehouse and the MaxMuscle store. He's doing everything a young bodybuilder reads about in the magazines. Throw in the facts that he's also charismatic, intelligent, succesfull, 2nd only to me in the good looks department, he's never dated an ugly woman and he's respected by everyone who knows him.
Deep down, that's what 240 wants to be like - heck even I'd love Bob's life - but he doesn't think he's capable of it so he attacks. Once he grows in confidence we'll be seeing him and envying him too.
Sounds like you got him mostly figured out ;D He might just surprise you though, there is usually more to somebody than first meets the eye.
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a bodybuilder's dream, wow, something we all aspire for.
Near as I can tell, your dream is to be a GMC truck. How is that going, have you made any progress? ;D
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Near as I can tell, your dream is to be a GMC truck. How is that going, have you made any progress? ;D
That would make being a Ford a nightmare.
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That would make being a Ford a nightmare.
Are you insulting Ford? I may have to attack your patriotism if you are. :)
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Are you insulting Ford? I may have to attack your patriotism if you are. :)
I voted for Bush twice. However I did choose a Toyota.
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I voted for Bush twice. However I did choose a Toyota.
That is how the free market should work. 8)
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That is how the free market should work. 8)
True. Bush brought more value into my life (I'm a one-issue voter: 2nd amendment). Just like that RAV4 will be doing donuts on the grave of that GM truck inside 8 years.
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True. Bush brought more value into my life (I'm a one-issue voter: 2nd amendment). Just like that RAV4 will be doing donuts on the grave of that GM truck inside 8 years.
Lets hope GM can go Chapter 11, come back strong, and make cars that Americans can be proud of.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools. Cause from a distance, people can't tell who's who.
If it was Bob Chick, Milos, Shawn Ray, or some person in power with a personal agenda abusing his/her powers or lying to the fans, I engage in an argument. Personal credibility, intellectual and political capital is exchanged, and I am often the winner, and sometimes the loser.
One has nothing to gain from arguing with you. You're a nobody schmoe. You're not even a joke, because nobody really cares to know or read about you. Now go back to spamming us with flexonline pics you didn't take, and chiming in with the company line about how PDI this & that, when you really don't know what's going on.
Much better.
1st paragraph 6/10
I also like "He that wrestles with us strengthens our nerves and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper" Edmund Burke
2nd paragraph. 1/10.
What you're doing is standing on the outside with zero knowledge of the intricacies of the business you're commenting on and trying to apply your newly found knowledge to it. Just like a kid with a new drivers licence thinks he's a race car driver, you're clutching your MBA thinking you're the worlds greatest business man. If you really want to make an impact on the sport why don;t you get involved in a more constructive way. Become a judge, a promoter, whatever takes your fancy. It's much easier to make change from within. Shouting abuse from the outside only makes you one of the fools your wise man told you to avoid
3rd. paragraph. 2/10
Quite witty but the first 3 sentences reveal as much about you as it does me. As for spamming the board, again that is something you excel at but to date you are the first to complain.
As for the photos, check your facts. To accuse me of chimming in with the company line only proves you don't know me.
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Dis tread is gettin lame.
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Dis tread is gettin lame.
Don't read it then.
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This is getting waaay out of context. Time will tell as far as PDI.
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Become a judge,
a promoter,
whatever takes your fancy. It's much easier to make change from within.
Well, you present a decent argument. But your methods of change:
1- Judge- you make 50 to 100 bucks a day plus travel expenses. not worth it.
2- Promoter- they all seem to lose money no matter what. Big money. And you're dependent upon the competence of others- not my cup of tea.
3- Change from within is easier? I disagree. I have no ties, no obligations, no commitments. The right turn of events and I might support the IFBB (say, if they start fair judging and more prize $, and wayne ends up not being on the level). I'll never blindly lie cause my bosses want me to. Cause I don't have a boss, besides the good lord, and my wife. :(
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I never thought I'd say this but "Don't waste your time 240" arguing with this guy.
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There's a guy who's living the bodybuiilding dream. He's in Venice, training at Gold's everyday, hanging out at the Firehouse and the MaxMuscle store. He's doing everything a young bodybuilder reads about in the magazines. Throw in the facts that he's also charismatic, intelligent, succesfull, 2nd only to me in the good looks department, he's never dated an ugly woman and he's respected by everyone who knows him.
Deep down, that's what 240 wants to be like - heck even I'd love Bob's life - but he doesn't think he's capable of it so he attacks. Once he grows in confidence we'll be seeing him and envying him too.
Wow - nice dream. To hang out at an overpriced egg white cooking restaurant and a retail store in a strip mall.
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the real bodybuilding dream is ,nubain,advil,gay for pay, and dialysis treatment.
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the real bodybuilding dream is ,nubain,advil,gay for pay, and dialysis treatment.
and robot posing suits.
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Well, you present a decent argument. But your methods of change:
1- Judge- you make 50 to 100 bucks a day plus travel expenses. not worth it.
2- Promoter- they all seem to lose money no matter what. Big money. And you're dependent upon the competence of others- not my cup of tea.
3- Change from within is easier? I disagree. I have no ties, no obligations, no commitments. The right turn of events and I might support the IFBB (say, if they start fair judging and more prize $, and wayne ends up not being on the level). I'll never blindly lie cause my bosses want me to. Cause I don't have a boss, besides the good lord, and my wife. :(
Anymore of this and we could end up buddies!
1. Agreed, judges dont make any money and they take the most heat from anyone.
2. Agreed. The promoter's are the people who take the most risk for the least gain. That's why I have the most respect for Shawn Ray. He's been critical of other show's in the past but now he's putting his reputation on the line to make change. If he can make a success of his show then it may encourage others to do the same. But he's being attacked because of the changing line-up. It's not his fault that it changes. Athletes change their mind.
3. Disagree.
You list the things you want yet you attack the people who are trying to make change. Why are you only prepared to be supportive once you see changes, why not help make the changes by taking a more proactive role?
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I never thought I'd say this but "Don't waste your time 240" arguing with this guy.
It's not arguning it's debating and no it's not the same thing as you do with your group of buddies where you huddle in the corner and mass-debate.
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Wow - nice dream. To hang out at an overpriced egg white cooking restaurant and a retail store in a strip mall.
Admit it, you'd love it except you can't afford the eggs and your Mommy won't let you go to the mall alone.
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240- are you bragging that you voted for Bush 2x?? Damn, that's like bragging that you're easily duped..... oh, wait.... nevermind.
Damn Special Ed-- get on it homes!! you da man!!!
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I would have voted for Dean- he was also for concealed carry, moreso than Bush. I'm a one-issue guy. I'll worry about the other issues as I get older. Personal protection comes first, IMO.
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Admit it, you'd love it except you can't afford the eggs and your Mommy won't let you go to the mall alone.
Is this seriously your best comback? I can see why to take pics instead of writing the articles.
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240- are you bragging that you voted for Bush 2x?? Damn, that's like bragging that you're easily duped..... oh, wait.... nevermind.
Damn Special Ed-- get on it homes!! you da man!!!
After Iraq calms down, Bush will be seen as one of the greatest presidents of this century.
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You mean after thousands of American troops are dead over
WMD'sOsamaharbored terroristsOperation Freedomdemocracyinstallation of a Sunni governmentoil? After all of those troops are dead, and their benefits are cut once the living ones return home, especially the ones who weren't provided adequate body armor so they're missing limbs and desperately need those benefits, and Iraq is in the midst of a civil war-- Is that when Bush will go down as the greatest President since 2000? Well, as long as 240 gets to conceal firearms, I guess you have a point. Make sure to tell that to the parents of one of those soldiers left in Iraq. And 240, don't forget to use a silencer tough guy!
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Oh and Luscious-- define "greatest" por favor. :-* Also, how do you know what the next 94 years of this century will bring? Or are you just a G*ddamned psychic genius?
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Is this seriously your best comback? I can see why to take pics instead of writing the articles.
By "to", do you mean "you"?
If so, the readership of Flex are far too intelligent to be interested in anything I'd write. You don't read FLEX do you? But you do reply to all my posts!
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Oh and Luscious-- define "greatest" por favor. :-* Also, how do you know what the next 94 years of this century will bring? Or are you just a G*ddamned psychic genius?
His decision to invade Iraq could lead to a democratic Iraq and the movement for democracy could spread throughout the Middle East. He could easily be remembered more fondly than FDR or JFK. He could be as important as John Tyler, Milliard Fillmore or even Grover Cleveland. I don't have to be psychic to see his potential if things go well.
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Iraq was the wrong place to take this idea out for a spin. It's an artificial nation created by the British after WWI, and made up of three groups who hate each other. Not exactly a fertile breeding ground for democracy. It'll be a minor miracle if it doesn't degenerate into all-out civil war.
Iran, with its relative homogeneous population and long history of nationhood, would have been a much better choice. With the bullshit they've been pulling lately, we may still get the chance. ;D
Iraq could still be subdivided into three smaller nations. It has a chance still. The problem with invading Iran is that it could unite the people under the current mullahs, especially if too many civilians are killed during the war.
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From PDI Bodybuilding to Iraq. I don't get the transition ???
RHINO290 are you a Tank? This might explain this thread ???
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Iraq could still be subdivided into three smaller nations. It has a chance still. The problem with invading Iran is that it could unite the people under the current mullahs, especially if too many civilians are killed during the war.
Like the civillians killed in Iraq? Or different? Would you subdivide those rotting corpses into three plots, or just pretend they don't exist, oh Luscious Little Leaguer? And, um, why should any country subdivide another country into thirds anyway? Wouldn't that be defined as "nation building"- something your beloved president has publicly stated he is against?
Stick to bodybuilding, son. At least with bodybuilding you can make a fool of yourself and not also come off as unhinged. Or not.
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Like the civillians killed in Iraq? Or different? Would you subdivide those rotting corpses into three plots, or just pretend they don't exist, oh Luscious Little Leaguer? And, um, why should any country subdivide another country into thirds anyway? Wouldn't that be defined as "nation building"- something your beloved president has publicly stated he is against?
Stick to bodybuilding, son. At least with bodybuilding you can make a fool of yourself and not also come off as unhinged. Or not.
Yes, it would be so much better to have Saddam still in charge and about to turn power over to his sons, who were actually worse than him. You could subdivide Iraq because the nation was created with pretty arbitrary borders. Are you just going to pretend Saddam and his sons wouldn't have killed more Iraqis? Sometimes leaders have to change their minds because the world has changed. There is nothing wrong with that.
I suppose you are some expert on foreign policy ::)