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Title: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 17, 2016, 05:17:55 AM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc
Turns out small calcium deposits were in the muscle thus resulting in this extreme pain.
Made 3 infiltrations over two weeks, took many pain killers.

Wanted to know if any of you ever experienced this type of situation.
And above all if you were able to start training again, and if yes what you changed.

Hope there's no gay material in this post, but in any case "no homo", just to be safe.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Fallsview on November 17, 2016, 05:20:03 AM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc
Turns out small calcium deposits were in the muscle thus resulting in this extreme pain.
Made 3 infiltrations over two weeks, took many pain killers.

Wanted to know if any of you ever experienced this type of situation.
And above all if you were able to start training again, and if yes what you changhed.

Hope there's no gay material in this post, but in any case "no homo", just to be safe.

What exercises are causing the pain? No one should do behind the neck presses or pulldowns. Lateral raises shouldn't be heavy and should have thumbs facing up. Front raises should have thumbs facing up. Just simple shit like that can stop damage.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 17, 2016, 05:24:41 AM
Thanks for your post Falls.
Honestly I was already following what you mentioned.

What I don't really understand if how this could happen to a natty moving 40s dumbells for bench press for example.

I train since 1990 and I'm 42 now but I was never preparing for a bench press contest or competing in powerlifting!

I would really like to understand if someone had the same experience in order to see if I can get back to the gym (or not).
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Fallsview on November 17, 2016, 05:28:00 AM
Thanks for your post Falls.
Honestly I was already following what you mentioned.

What I don't really understand if how this could happen to a natty moving 40s dumbells for bench press for example.

I train since 1990 and I'm 42 now but I was never preparing for a bench press contest or competing in powerlifting!

I would really like to understand if someone had the same experience in order to see if I can get back to the gym (or not).

Bench presses fuck up the shoulder...dumbells are better. But...decline presses are better for the shoulder.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Griffith on November 17, 2016, 05:32:12 AM
Bench presses fuck up the shoulder...dumbells are better. But...decline presses are better for the shoulder.

Agreed. When I was recovering from a shoulder injury I could use the decline press with much less pain.

Don't have it at my current gym but think it's a superior chest exercise anyway.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Darren Avey on November 17, 2016, 05:32:38 AM
Leave flat bench, its pointless anyway. Incline Bar and Dbs work much better.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: falco on November 17, 2016, 05:46:34 AM
I have a friend who had calcium deposits in his shoulders. He was about your age at the time. Doctors told him he had to quit, wich he did.
I have rotator cuff tendonitis wich is a different issue. Also had a parcial tear on the one in the right side. I deal with it by doing everything underhand grip; benches, rows, presses...Have been pain free since i changed my trainig style.

No homo.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: _bruce_ on November 17, 2016, 06:04:49 AM
Shock wave therapy sounds like the best option here - anything not cutting you up.
I have had numerous pains after many years of lifting and totally abandoned anything heavy. The intense pain you're feeling may have to do with your rib cage since you have been moving heavy objects... many pains "radiate through the body" and can sometimes give a false source.

Again, just an idea - you are better off seeking out a real specialist which can be a workout in itself.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 17, 2016, 06:10:47 AM
Shock wave therapy sounds like the best option here - anything not cutting you up.
I have had numerous pains after many years of lifting and totally abandoned anything heavy. The intense pain you're feeling may have to do with your rib cage since you have been moving heavy objects... many pains "radiate through the body" and can sometimes give a false source.

Again, just an idea - you are better off seeking out a real specialist which can be a workout in itself.

I saw two of them, and their opinion was the same: it is related to genetics and the only option is to quit lifting.
I have a job that is not related to being on stage in a pink thong but nevertheless I enjoyed training.
This is why I asked if someone else was successful in dealing with this and still training.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on November 17, 2016, 06:22:31 AM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc
Turns out small calcium deposits were in the muscle thus resulting in this extreme pain.
Made 3 infiltrations over two weeks, took many pain killers.

Wanted to know if any of you ever experienced this type of situation.
And above all if you were able to start training again, and if yes what you changed.

Hope there's no gay material in this post, but in any case "no homo", just to be safe.

This came from years of bad habits, ego lifting, bad form, not stretching, no deep tissue massage to relax the muscle now you are paying the price let this be a warning to others.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: ratherbebig on November 17, 2016, 06:46:52 AM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc


 :D
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Tunza Muscle on November 17, 2016, 06:51:13 AM
I've been lifting for a good number of years and have been benching, squatting, deadlifting, military press, barbell curls, etc. fairly heavy. Never any major problems. Occassional shoulder or elbow strain that lasts maybe a week at most. A lot of guys aren't cut out for this stuff and should be advised to try some different hobbies until they discover something that works for them. For some it may be a musical instrument, for others it could be a coin collection. You see these guys in the gym year after, spinning their wheels, always looking the same. Then one day they wrench a shoulder or a knee and it's all over. The doctor kindly advises them to move on from lifting. Meanwhile the doctor is thinking does this guy even lift?
With me, I took to lifting like a fish to water and I've always been huge and strong as an ox. I make progress every year in both size and strength. I just love it.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Nether Animal on November 17, 2016, 06:56:00 AM
I've been lifting for a good number of years and have been benching, squatting, deadlifting, military press, barbell curls, etc. fairly heavy. Never any major problems. Occassional shoulder or elbow strain that lasts maybe a week at most. A lot of guys aren't cut out for this stuff and should be advised to try some different hobbies until they discover something that works for them. For some it may be a musical instrument, for others it could be a coin collection. You see these guys in the gym year after, spinning their wheels, always looking the same. Then one day they wrench a shoulder or a knee and it's all over. The doctor kindly advises them to move on from lifting. Meanwhile the doctor is thinking does this guy even lift?
With me, I took to lifting like a fish to water and I've always been huge and strong as an ox. I make progress every year in both size and strength. I just love it.

Post a pic I want to see the progress you've made.

But I know you will ignore this request because "you" don't really exist.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Yamcha on November 17, 2016, 06:58:47 AM
Post a pic I want to see the progress you've made.

But I know you will ignore this request because "you" don't really exist.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85335.0;attach=117246;image)
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: funk51 on November 17, 2016, 07:19:23 AM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc
Turns out small calcium deposits were in the muscle thus resulting in this extreme pain.
Made 3 infiltrations over two weeks, took many pain killers.

Wanted to know if any of you ever experienced this type of situation.
And above all if you were able to start training again, and if yes what you changed.

Hope there's no gay material in this post, but in any case "no homo", just to be safe.
            watch the branch warren video on warming up your shoulder before you attempt to lift..it actually makes sense, don't lift like he does after though.. press behind the neck, lat pulldowns behind the neck. close grip pulls to build the traps aren't for everyone either.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Marty Champions on November 17, 2016, 07:47:50 AM
meat eating zapps ur calcium
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: _bruce_ on November 17, 2016, 08:35:55 AM
I saw two of them, and their opinion was the same: it is related to genetics and the only option is to quit lifting.
I have a job that is not related to being on stage in a pink thong but nevertheless I enjoyed training.
This is why I asked if someone else was successful in dealing with this and still training.


Seems like I misunderstood what you wrote a bit. The only further input that I can give is to check if you suffer from chronic hypercalcaemia and the shoulder issue is connected to this.
Good luck.

Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: ratherbebig on November 17, 2016, 08:38:27 AM
meat eating zapps ur calcium

had 4 big macs yesterday = 109% calcium (108.4mg)
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: LifeCoach on November 17, 2016, 08:43:52 AM
Bombarding the injury with Western solutions will make things worse. The Western mind is concerned with the armor, with the exterior of things. This is simple. Your chakras are out of alignment. We need to get inside the life force and put it in alignment. PM me and I will write out a simple Yoga prescription for you. Cheers.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 17, 2016, 08:48:43 AM
Bombarding the injury with Western solutions will make things worse. The Western mind is concerned with the armor, with the exterior of things. This is simple. Your chakras are out of alignment. We need to get inside the life force and put it in alignment. PM me and I will write out a simple Yoga prescription for you. Cheers.

are balls touching during ur yoga sessions  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D????
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: LifeCoach on November 17, 2016, 08:50:29 AM
are balls touching during ur yoga sessions  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D????
I have learned from some more intelligent people than myself: "you become what you think about".
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 17, 2016, 08:58:04 AM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc
Turns out small calcium deposits were in the muscle thus resulting in this extreme pain.
Made 3 infiltrations over two weeks, took many pain killers.

Wanted to know if any of you ever experienced this type of situation.
And above all if you were able to start training again, and if yes what you changed.

Hope there's no gay material in this post, but in any case "no homo", just to be safe.

What part of your shoulder? Anterior? posterior? Does the pain run from the bicep to the front of the shoulder?
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 18, 2016, 02:43:16 AM
Dealing with a pinched nerve in my left rotator, pain travels up the neck (trap) on that side (stiff/painful neck), and whole left arm is numb/tingly, with pins / needles on all my finger tips.
After a few days I went into Dr. to be sure it wasnt heart related, you know the left arm thing. Anyways, train safely until youre healed I guess is all I can recommend...
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Griffith on November 18, 2016, 04:17:43 AM
What helped me heal from a front shoulder injury in the past was acupuncture.

I had it done at a Chinese place, first they did a massive amount of stretching, then deep massage in the muscle for spasms and to iron out scar tissue, then acupuncture attached to a machine which sends electrical impulses into the muscle, and finally cupping (heated glass which sucks up skin and brings blood to surface to help eliminate toxins) in the front and back of my shoulder

After 5 sessions my shoulder was completely fixed, before that I could barely hold or lift up a cup of coffee.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 18, 2016, 04:56:25 AM
What part of your shoulder? Anterior? posterior? Does the pain run from the bicep to the front of the shoulder?

I have no pain now.
The doctor told me it's painful when the calcium deposits are melting; before or after you do not have any syntoms.
It was located in ALL the shoulder and the mobility was zero.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 18, 2016, 04:59:18 AM
What helped me heal from a front shoulder injury in the past was acupuncture.

I had it done at a Chinese place, first they did a massive amount of stretching, then deep massage in the muscle for spasms and to iron out scar tissue, then acupuncture attached to a machine which sends electrical impulses into the muscle, and finally cupping (heated glass which sucks up skin and brings blood to surface to help eliminate toxins) in the front and back of my shoulder

After 5 sessions my shoulder was completely fixed, before that I could barely hold or lift up a cup of coffee.

This is very interesting for two reasons: first it worked. Second the two specialists I saw were reluctant in suggesting anything that was not realted to normal medicine i.e. no traditional remedies.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 18, 2016, 05:02:48 AM
Ask your physician which movements are safe in your particular case. Most of them allow various raises with your thumbs up, but discourage you to perform presses.
Best of luck, friend
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 18, 2016, 05:39:39 AM
Ask your physician which movements are safe in your particular case. Most of them allow various raises with your thumbs up, but discourage you to perform presses.
Best of luck, friend

Thanks mate, the suggestion was to quit training.
The only movements he suggested for shoulders are the one opposite of pressing i.e. when you pull your arms towards your body.

Guess I'm only left with leg days...... ::)
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 18, 2016, 07:53:31 AM
Thanks mate, the suggestion was to quit training.
The only movements he suggested for shoulders are the one opposite of pressing i.e. when you pull your arms towards your body.

Guess I'm only left with leg days...... ::)

Sounds like a non-lifting doc. Just try very strict raises with pink weights (no homo) for a while. I did super-slow reps (3 reps of 20 seconds, 10 concentric/10 eccentric) after I was diagnosed with a tear between my infra- & supraspinatus, which worked very well. Months later I'm able to perform regular sets with decent weights without serious pain.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: local hero on November 18, 2016, 08:14:22 AM
I've had shoulder problem the past 5 month, they say its bicep tendinitis with a few littles tears chucked in too, legs tiwce a week, shoulder rehab abbs n cardio on the other days, with extremely light chest/back/arms

You have to keep plodding away,I had an ac joint issue that took two years to clear up, just take care, even teeny weights using angles and half reps, slowed right down gives u a pump with no joint pain, u have to leave your ego at the door and be happy with getting blood in there so the muscle doesn't shrink to nothing.

If you get into the right mindset you can still get a good workout, altho i must look pathetic straining with 10kg a side on the hammer chest machine
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 18, 2016, 09:51:46 PM
I have a friend who had calcium deposits in his shoulders. He was about your age at the time. Doctors told him he had to quit, wich he did.
I have rotator cuff tendonitis wich is a different issue. Also had a parcial tear on the one in the right side. I deal with it by doing everything underhand grip; benches, rows, presses...Have been pain free since i changed my trainig style.

No homo.

Will try this out when I finally get back in the gym (no homo x2).
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 19, 2016, 07:49:24 AM
Even straight bar curls hurt my bad shoulder. EZ hurts it less.  Still do delt dumbbell laterals even though they hurt.  Surprisingly the standard military press doesn't kill me.  The bench press is completely out.  Feels like I am doing damage with every rep no matter what the weight.   
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Scott on November 19, 2016, 08:34:35 AM
My shoulders ache all the time.  I no longer do shoulder presses at all, not even machine presses. For delts I just do DB laterals with a light weight for 10 to 50 reps or one-arm cable laterals in the same rep range.

I am doing what I can to not go gently into that good night.   ;D
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Calcium deposits are caused by way too little saturated fat in your diet, and way too much carbs in your diet. You need saturated fat in abundance in your diet, in order to form viable cells in your body. Every cell in your body, including bone cells, is encased in a lipid layer of saturated fat. With trillions of body cells, all being built, and replaced constantly, you need a lot of saturated fat in your diet, to keep a proper cell building process working. Carbs, sugars and starches, leach calcium away from weak cell structures, in the absence of enough saturated fat in the diet to make proper cells. When your bone cells aren't properly constructed, by having thin cell walls, because you don't get enough saturated fat (from animal sources) in your diet, calcium will be pulled from your bones and teeth, into your blood stream. Your body still tries to hold on to the calcium in your blood stream, by putting it in other places, such as muscles and joint cartilage. In cases of temporary famine conditions, that can be reversed by you starting to eating well again, as in getting more saturated fat into your diet, when the famine is over. Constant low fat, high carb diet, can result in permanent injury to many body parts.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: _bruce_ on November 19, 2016, 10:04:58 AM
Calcium deposits are caused by way too little saturated fat in your diet, and way too much carbs in your diet. You need saturated fat in abundance in your diet, in order to form viable cells in your body. Every cell in your body, including bone cells, is encased in a lipid layer of saturated fat. With trillions of body cells, all being built, and replaced constantly, you need a lot of saturated fat in your diet, to keep a proper cell building process working. Carbs, sugars and starches, leach calcium away from weak cell structures, in the absence of enough saturated fat in the diet to make proper cells. When your bone cells aren't properly constructed, by having thin cell walls, because you don't get enough saturated fat (from animal sources) in your diet, calcium will be pulled from your bones and teeth, into your blood stream. Your body still tries to hold on to the calcium in your blood stream, by putting it in other places, such as muscles and joint cartilage. In cases of temporary famine conditions, that can be reversed by you starting to eating well again, as in getting more saturated fat into your diet, when the famine is over. Constant low fat, high carb diet, can result in permanent injury to many body parts.

Interesting - I used to be a low fat f_a_g for some time. I remember my pains getting worse when I ate a vegan diet.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 10:06:53 AM
Interesting - I used to be a low fat f_a_g for some time. I remember my pains getting worse when I ate a vegan diet.

True! A vegan diet = painful AND weak!
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Go 4 It on November 19, 2016, 11:53:45 AM
Try stem cell therapy, many top athletes use this for injuries, seems to be the cure for a lot of injuries
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 19, 2016, 01:08:50 PM
Try stem cell therapy, many top athletes use this for injuries, seems to be the cure for a lot of injuries

I've discussed alternative therapies like SCT & PRP with my orthopedic surgeon, but he warned me about the small chance on success and the pricing.
David Palumbo tried SCT, but no relieve in his shoulder.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 01:12:41 PM
I've discussed alternative therapies like SCT & PRP with my orthopedic surgeon, but he warned me about the small chance on success and the pricing.
David Palumbo tried SCT, but no relieve in his shoulder.

Did you try to lose the carbs, and up the saturated fat in your diet? Of course you didn't!
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 19, 2016, 01:15:56 PM
Did you try to lose the carbs, and up the saturated fat in your diet? Of course you didn't!

I like my eggs and coconut oil, thank you
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 01:36:37 PM
I like my eggs and coconut oil, thank you

Coconut oil is plant based garbage.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 19, 2016, 01:49:40 PM
Coconut oil is plant based garbage.

And so are most of your postings
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 01:54:58 PM
And so are most of your postings
All of my "posts" are super informative. When you ever grow a brain, then you will understand that.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 19, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
All of my "posts" are super informative. When you ever grow a brain, then you will understand that.

No, you're just farting with your mouth
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 01:58:32 PM
No, you're just farting with your mouth
Then you post something useful, for the first time ever.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 02:48:07 PM
DroppingPlates, as a handle, shows the basic incompetence you realized was true, when you made up that stupid name. You have zero business posting here. You know nothing about the subject. You are an absolute joke, when it comes to fitness and muscle building. You know nothing. NOTHING!
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 19, 2016, 03:05:00 PM
DroppingPlates, as a handle, shows the basic incompetence you realized was true, when you made up that stupid name. You have zero business posting here. You know nothing about the subject. You are an absolute joke, when it comes to fitness and muscle building. You know nothing. NOTHING!

Should I cry now?
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
Should I cry now?
You should slither back under that rock you came out from under, and never darken the doors of GetBig again.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: King Shizzo on November 19, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
Real men work through the pain.

Then we die upon our shields.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 03:19:10 PM
Real men work through the pain.
Then we die upon our shields.

You worthless fat piece of shit, the only pain you feel is moving your fat fucking ass, something you avoid doing, under any, and every circumstance.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 19, 2016, 03:25:28 PM
You should slither back under that rock you came out from under, and never darken the doors of GetBig again.

The likelihood that I shit diarrhea on your head is much more realistic than your advice.
You can fuck off now :-*
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Erik C on November 19, 2016, 03:33:34 PM
The likelihood that I shit diarrhea on your head is much more realistic than your advice.
You can fuck off now :-*

So that means that you can't post any useful advice, same as you never posted any useful advice before, and you will never post any useful advice in the future either. Yeah, if you know absolutely nothing about a subject, then your advice will be totally worthless.

Of course, you could prove me wrong, by posting, for the first time ever, some useful information, for the GetBig forum. Ain't ever going to happen, you dumb ass piece of shit!
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on November 19, 2016, 10:04:39 PM
So that means that you can't post any useful advice, same as you never posted any useful advice before, and you will never post any useful advice in the future either. Yeah, if you know absolutely nothing about a subject, then your advice will be totally worthless.

Of course, you could prove me wrong, by posting, for the first time ever, some useful information, for the GetBig forum. Ain't ever going to happen, you dumb ass piece of shit!

You feel better now? ::)
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: WalterWhite on November 27, 2016, 05:28:48 PM
Post a pic I want to see the progress you've made.

But I know you will ignore this request because "you" don't really exist.

Another gimmick with a perfect physique but no pics. Shocker! :o
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Thespritz0 on November 27, 2016, 05:54:47 PM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc
Turns out small calcium deposits were in the muscle thus resulting in this extreme pain.
Made 3 infiltrations over two weeks, took many pain killers.

Wanted to know if any of you ever experienced this type of situation.
And above all if you were able to start training again, and if yes what you changed.

Hope there's no gay material in this post, but in any case "no homo", just to be safe.
^^
DUDE, I had the same thing GO to a REGISTERED MASSAGE THERAPIST- they will massage out the "Adhesions" and Deposits, and you'll be back in action after 2 or 3 sessions...
Google Registed Massage Therapy and insert your city and you'll see the results pop up!!
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on November 28, 2016, 12:26:36 AM
^^
DUDE, I had the same thing GO to a REGISTERED MASSAGE THERAPIST- they will massage out the "Adhesions" and Deposits, and you'll be back in action after 2 or 3 sessions...
Google Registed Massage Therapy and insert your city and you'll see the results pop up!!

thanks for the info mate.
you had other relapses or with the massage this never happened again?
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 07, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
I have had bad shoulder for about 4 years or so. Rotator cuff exercises help. I do notice many guys in the gym do them wrong.  By wrong I mean bat shit kinesiology off the map wrong. It would take to long on the posting of too many pictures to show what they are doing wrong regarding trying to hit the various tiny muscles involved.

What has given me more relief than rotator cuff work is stretching. The should gets super tight then minor rips occur while exercising. Stretching in various angles have made a lot of difference. 

Regarding terrible shoulder pain. One day after doing pull ups my shoulder hurt so bad I couldn't move my arm.  I went to a sports orthopedic surgeon and he told me after tests that I had a slap tear, tendinitis, complications from by complete bicep rupture that was repaired, and  arthritis.  He recommended surgery.  It took me 6 months to come back from my bicep rupture and I didn't want to go from that rehab again.  Even though it was bicep I couldn't bench an empty bar a month after the operation when  every single chest workout prior I was using around 300lbs. I choose not to get the operation. I needed help putting on a tee shirt and my coat by my wife for about 10 days. I felt like I was a cripple. Then slowly the pain lessened to the point I could train again.  I still don't bench but I can train hard with what is heavy weights for me. I will never be 100% but if I can train substituting alternative exercises I am okay with it. 
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Thespritz0 on January 08, 2017, 01:44:31 AM
thanks for the info mate.
you had other relapses or with the massage this never happened again?
^^
Sorry for getting back to you late, I've been putting in too much overtime and don't post as much here...
I have NEVER had any relapses as I stopped pressing except for just STRICT dumb-bell presses, I do those and laterals- and rope pulls at
eye level for rear delts...
Do that, and you'll be injury free too!!!  Get that Registered Massage Therapy- it hurts, but it is the CURE!!
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: nobody in particular on January 08, 2017, 06:12:27 AM

I have NEVER had any relapses as I stopped pressing except for just STRICT dumb-bell presses, I do those and laterals- and rope pulls at eye level for rear delts...


I've done them too (face pulls, bent over laterals) with good success. Another thing I noticed (I had bad bursitis/impingement) with the shoulder pain, and this actually held back my recovery for some time. Side laterals didn't 'hurt' to actually perform, so I kept doing them, albeit with fairly light weight and higher reps, but they seemed to actually exacerbate the problem as a knock on effect. I don't do them any more and it was only after eliminating them as an exercise that the pain/mobility issues went away. So whatever work the medial delts get it's from regular dumbell shoulder presses, and they haven't suffered (I'm no threat of getting an ifbb pro card mind you). Apart from that I also do said presses with palms facing each other, or nearly so, rather than facing forward, seems to have been another piece of the puzzle.

I've been able to resume barbell bench press without pain too. One thing I did change was more thorough warmups, including an initial 50 reps with just the empty bar. It doesn't 'feel' like it does much at the time you are doing them, but has made a difference longer term.

A lot of people have gotten some relief doing the shoulder stretching with a broomstick (dante/dogcrapp talked about this years ago on other forums, it's out there if you google it), but for whatever reason, they did nothing beneficial for me, and I don't do them now. But worth a look as I'm definintely in a minority there.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Thespritz0 on January 08, 2017, 07:37:43 AM
I've done them too (face pulls, bent over laterals) with good success. Another thing I noticed (I had bad bursitis/impingement) with the shoulder pain, and this actually held back my recovery for some time. Side laterals didn't 'hurt' to actually perform, so I kept doing them, albeit with fairly light weight and higher reps, but they seemed to actually exacerbate the problem as a knock on effect. I don't do them any more and it was only after eliminating them as an exercise that the pain/mobility issues went away. So whatever work the medial delts get it's from regular dumbell shoulder presses, and they haven't suffered (I'm no threat of getting an ifbb pro card mind you). Apart from that I also do said presses with palms facing each other, or nearly so, rather than facing forward, seems to have been another piece of the puzzle.

I've been able to resume barbell bench press without pain too. One thing I did change was more thorough warmups, including an initial 50 reps with just the empty bar. It doesn't 'feel' like it does much at the time you are doing them, but has made a difference longer term.

A lot of people have gotten some relief doing the shoulder stretching with a broomstick (dante/dogcrapp talked about this years ago on other forums, it's out there if you google it), but for whatever reason, they did nothing beneficial for me, and I don't do them now. But worth a look as I'm definintely in a minority there.
^^
The GREAT valuable thing about having a Registered Massage Therapist treat your shoulder is they can BREAK UP the adhesions we all make as the body attempts to heal- that's what "hurts" when you are trying to test your normal range of motion.
It worked for me... didn't need more than a few appointments!
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Disgusted on January 08, 2017, 12:26:39 PM
BPC-157
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 08, 2017, 12:55:31 PM
BPC-157

I've never heard of this peptide before, so I Googled the stuff.. https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/05/how-to-use-bpc-157/
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Disgusted on January 08, 2017, 09:43:00 PM
I've never heard of this peptide before, so I Googled the stuff.. https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/05/how-to-use-bpc-157/

Works try it.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2017, 06:58:14 AM
^^
The GREAT valuable thing about having a Registered Massage Therapist treat your shoulder is they can BREAK UP the adhesions we all make as the body attempts to heal- that's what "hurts" when you are trying to test your normal range of motion.
It worked for me... didn't need more than a few appointments!

Exactly.

Scar tissue can be broken up.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Stephano on January 12, 2017, 06:59:41 AM
Works try it.

I can second this.  BPC worked incredibly well on some torn shoulder ligaments I suffered recently.  I was back in the gym within just two months! 
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Howard on January 12, 2017, 07:05:49 AM
Few months ago I was moving heavy furniture at my parent's house to make space for medical devices necessary to help my father.
Within few hours I started to feel a growing-aching and deep pain in my right shoulder.
Didn't know what was coming: 5 days of terrible and unbearable pain.
Went to the hospital xray, ultrasound etc etc
Turns out small calcium deposits were in the muscle thus resulting in this extreme pain.
Made 3 infiltrations over two weeks, took many pain killers.

Wanted to know if any of you ever experienced this type of situation.
And above all if you were able to start training again, and if yes what you changed.

Hope there's no gay material in this post, but in any case "no homo", just to be safe.

I've been dealing with a painful wear/tear issue on my right shoulder myself.
In my case, it's osteo-arthritis in the right shoulder girdle area.

If I can't get some relief, I won't be able to jerk the Mayor of BB off by Ice Machine 7 in 2017.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Howard on January 12, 2017, 07:14:36 AM
Agreed. When I was recovering from a shoulder injury I could use the decline press with much less pain.

Don't have it at my current gym but think it's a superior chest exercise anyway.

Exactly my experience.

A decline Hammer machine press kicks ass and I start most of my chest work with one.
In fact, I'd strongly advise using ANY smooth decline press machine to start every chest workout.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Howard on January 12, 2017, 07:28:38 AM
I have had bad shoulder for about 4 years or so. Rotator cuff exercises help. I do notice many guys in the gym do them wrong.  By wrong I mean bat shit kinesiology off the map wrong. It would take to long on the posting of too many pictures to show what they are doing wrong regarding trying to hit the various tiny muscles involved.

What has given me more relief than rotator cuff work is stretching. The should gets super tight then minor rips occur while exercising. Stretching in various angles have made a lot of difference. 

Regarding terrible shoulder pain. One day after doing pull ups my shoulder hurt so bad I couldn't move my arm.  I went to a sports orthopedic surgeon and he told me after tests that I had a slap tear, tendinitis, complications from by complete bicep rupture that was repaired, and  arthritis.  He recommended surgery.  It took me 6 months to come back from my bicep rupture and I didn't want to go from that rehab again.  Even though it was bicep I couldn't bench an empty bar a month after the operation when  every single chest workout prior I was using around 300lbs. I choose not to get the operation. I needed help putting on a tee shirt and my coat by my wife for about 10 days. I felt like I was a cripple. Then slowly the pain lessened to the point I could train again.  I still don't bench but I can train hard with what is heavy weights for me. I will never be 100% but if I can train substituting alternative exercises I am okay with it. 

Good stuff, thanks for posting.
I actually learned a couple things and feel better about what I'm doing to deal with the issue.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: Skeeter on January 12, 2017, 07:33:12 AM
I get shoulder pain once in a while from an old injury. I went to the physiotherapist and they gave me a few resistance band exercises to do. The pain comes back once in a while but if I do the exercises it doesn't last.
Check with a physiotherapist. They can probably narrow down where the injury is and give you decent advice on how to deal with it.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 12, 2017, 12:54:01 PM
Works try it.

But could it also repair torn muscle tissue? I have a small tear between my infra & supraspinatus.
Title: Re: Terrible shoulder pain - Training again or quit?
Post by: wes on January 12, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
This stuff could be the answer to my recent shoulder injury,but I`ll see the doctor first.