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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Nether Animal on November 17, 2016, 06:36:51 AM
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Although he is about as intelligent as a gnat and a scammer nowadays, wow he had quite the rugged and thick physique back then!
Didn't he get into some trouble with the law way back then?
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Made Titus melt down.
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Huge.
But I heard that he didn't train hard. Or eat well.
Just responded great to the drugs.
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Huge.
But I heard that he didn't train hard. Or eat well.
Just responded great to the drugs.
First generation of Bloofy pros...look at that waist...muscles look like shit and face hardly lean (double chins) on stage....all drugs!!! fuck him!!
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Although he is about as intelligent as a gnat and a scammer nowadays, wow he had quite the rugged and thick physique back then!
Didn't he get into some trouble with the law way back then?
He don't look intelligent to you? :D
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all LBAs and Bulgarian Blast Training ;D
How is he a scammer nowadays?
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Made Titus melt down.
Titus looked damn good there.
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Made Titus melt down a woman in his trunk.
fixed
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How is Phil a scammer?
He did time in AZ for selling "gasoline".
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FREAKING THICK...he was oiling bob chic in beginning ;D
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FREAKING THICK...he was oiling bob chic in beginning ;D
he probably still is the odd weekend....
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he probably still is the odd weekend....
:D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=622410.0;attach=695486;image)Made Titus melt down.
I bet Titus miss his golden long hair as we speak .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I think Phil led me to getbig in some strange way...
Remember wondering about his low volume training, back in the day... Guy had some interesting observations.
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Made Titus melt down.
Looks like an overall posedown between a super heavyweight and a middleweight.
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I think Phil led me to getbig in some strange way...
Remember wondering about his low volume training, back in the day... Guy had some interesting observations.
his training ideas are legit.
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Dude looks crazy here.
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Was happy to admit he did zero cardio for ripping, only cutting drugs.
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Basically he was black listed after his legal issues, kind of odd considering it was gear and Titus still managed a comeback after dealing with GHB.
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Basically he was black listed after his legal issues, kind of odd considering it was gear and Titus still managed a comeback after dealing with GHB.
Craig was busted for selling ecstasy.
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He don't look intelligent to you? :D
It's not about how he looks.. He's an idiot.
He was busted selling gear. I believe his wife was as well. A lot of talk about him being a rat to reduce his sentence and the guy he ratted on died. Conveniently for Phil since he took credit ;-) nudge nudge for the guy dieing early. I forget his name. Phil mentioned it In a fb msg to me a while back when he and i were arguing... convenient for Phil in that the guy who he supposedly ratted on or who has information on him isn't around anymore to remind people about Phil.
He used his "celebrity", if you could call it that, to push his peptides and push his super pricey totally bunk follistatin and anybody who questioned it was quickly banned
He's a piece of shit 100%. Sells bulk bullshit peptides.
He's pretty proud of his Night of Champions appearance and being told by a judge that he look like "the poster boy for steroid abuse"(see his pics... lots of thick striated dense muscle but also greasy oily bad skin matching greasy, oily hair, dark "androgen" skin, etc) after asking what he placed so low.
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I went through his posts on that board years ago and he has very good advice when he gives it on everything. Scammer or not.
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I bet Titus is stroking some golden cock as we speak .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Fixed
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Dude looks crazy here.
string tanks are cool as fuck
but you ggotta be sitting at sub-8 to pull it offf
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i could have sworn he trained h.i.t style back in the 90's i could be wrong, flamed out pretty fast as a pro
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not hit really. he was pushing the "bulgarian" system. basically working out several times a day doing short but intense workouts. ( oh and lots of drugs oops i meant supplements) lol he was trying to 'sell " a system just like mentzer was trying to sell a system. just trying to make money off gullable people.
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Ever read this guy's resentful, communist whining on Facebook? He once implied fast food workers work just as hard as surgeons.
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Ever read this guy's resentful, communist whining on Facebook? He once implied fast food workers work just as hard as surgeons.
There's a shit ton of medical malpractice (my dad actually had MERSA after his surgeon operated and decided he didn't need antibiotics :roll:), but imagine if surgeons fucked up their work .00001% of the time any given fast food joint bungled daily orders.
"Oh, it was his *gall bladder* I was supposed to put back in? Oops. Tell him we're sorry and give him a small Coke, on the house!"
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not hit really. he was pushing the "bulgarian" system. basically working out several times a day doing short but intense workouts. ( oh and lots of drugs oops i meant supplements) lol he was trying to 'sell " a system just like mentzer was trying to sell a system. just trying to make money off gullable people.
I remember his Bulgarian training vids. Watching him struggle to squat 405 for a few reps was an Eye-opener ???
Now, sometime later, he did at least *write* about doing very, very low volume training -- something like doing one hard set/body part maybe thrice weekly -- but it didn't seem like he was promoting that. He actually called his method "lazy" and said he'd need to step it up if he was to do well in the pro ranks.
Sometime later still, he was fond of at least three sets of at least one exercise per part (maybe more?), but his gimmick was to do a set of 4-6, another 8-12, and a final one 15-upwards of 20 (or more; my memory is already failing me, no shit). I could write the broscience article behind that rather easily, even if my editor told me I needed to sneak some product placement in there.
No kidding: I swear to all of you, if I did ghost write articles, I bet I could be so much more subtle, and also much more convincing, in promoting bullshit than a great many. You don't even need a great bodybuilders to push crap: witness the success Muscletech enjoyed by hyping Kovacs (may he RIP in his giant coffin).
Meh. I reckon I missed my calling :'( :D
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yes the low rep then med rep set then a higher rep set was suposed to hit all the muscle fibers. its like mentzers theory. it sounds good on paper but it doesnt really work. but not everyone responds to the same stimulis. i personaly believe one workout low reps next workout med reps and last workout high reps. ( a 3 day whole body workout) on paper should work covers everything. but anyway thats just my theory. lol yes he was a douche thats why titus blew his top when he lost to him. ( well one of the reasons anyways) lol
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yes the low rep then med rep set then a higher rep set was suposed to hit all the muscle fibers. its like mentzers theory. it sounds good on paper but it doesnt really work. but not everyone responds to the same stimulis. i personaly believe one workout low reps next workout med reps and last workout high reps. ( a 3 day whole body workout) on paper should work covers everything. but anyway thats just my theory. lol yes he was a douche thats why titus blew his top when he lost to him. ( well one of the reasons anyways) lol
Titus got outmuscled. In 1995, bodybuilding was a size game. Titus showed up to the USA's with a ponytail and tried to look like a pretty boy. Hernon looked like a tank and was given the victory.
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To add to my post above concerning 1995:
Francios won the ASC
Nasser won the NOC
Palumbo won the Jr Nationals
Hernon won the USA
Yates won the Olympia
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To add to my post above concerning 1995:
Francios won the ASC
Nasser won the NOC
Palumbo won the Jr Nationals
Hernon won the USA
Yates won the Olympia
Nasser was better in 94. 95 he upped the slin and his waist got way, way thicker
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Nasser was better in 94. 95 he upped the slin and his waist got way, way thicker
Yup. '94 to '95 NOC you can see the dramatic change.
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Nasser was better in 94. 95 he upped the slin and his waist got way, way thicker
My point was that the judges were looking for rugged physiques. Titus did not fit the bill.
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thats true. but titus did have the better body from a true bodybuilding point of view. but when the judges look for bigger or freakier the whole point of true bodybuilding goe out the window. arnold learned that lesson too when zane beat him. bigger was they way to go in europe etc but zane had the better looking body from a bodybuilding point of view then arnold took his mass and chisleled it into the best ever
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Yup. '94 to '95 NOC you can see the dramatic change.
Wow he aged like 15 years between those 2 pics.
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Yup. '94 to '95 NOC you can see the dramatic change.
93-94 is when he really, really transformed his physique. Rather see pictures of 92/93 versus 94 or even 92/93 vs 95. That really displays the transformation. I remember Nasser saying that like everybody. else, he'd been "maxed out" on steroid doses long ago and the only thing that keeps him growing and improving is GH). The accepted rumor is, according to those who knew him, was that he was still running 5 grams of testosterone a week will after he was retired and up till his death.
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Any vids of the Bulgasaur training method?
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Hernon was a true freak. For what ever reason he didn't keep competing he could have easily won some pro shows.
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Yup. '94 to '95 NOC you can see the dramatic change.
This is a great illustration of just how much insulin comes in to play.
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??? :-X
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOaH5Q6giE5/?taken-by=phil_hernon
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:)
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The Great Phil Hernon interviewed by Jerry Ward !!! ;)
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Wow he aged like 15 years between those 2 pics.
Looks much better in second pic
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Toney Freeman once said that early in his career, Phil was the only person he ever stood besides and felt intimidated by even in the gym. Later in his career it was Ronnie.
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To add to my post above concerning 1995:
Francios won the ASC
Nasser won the NOC
Palumbo won the Jr Nationals
Hernon won the USA
Yates won the Olympia
Actually, Palumbo only won the HW class at Jr Nats, with LHW Willie Stalling winning the overall.
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Hernon was a true freak. For what ever reason he didn't keep competing he could have easily won some pro shows.
I remember he said he stopped because he promised his kids not to end up in jail again. Apparently you can't compete
without risking that.
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The Great Phil Hernon interviewed by Jerry Ward !!! ;)
nice interview
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:)
That first pic is crazy
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Yup. '94 to '95 NOC you can see the dramatic change.
Great comparison shots thanks - is there anyone in the world that would think that that 'change' was for the better? ???
(https://s18.postimg.org/usy4x55gp/what_a_difference_a_year_makes.jpg)
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No, definitely looks better before.
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No, definitely looks better before.
maybe so,but he couldn't put a major dent in placing if not for the after pic..
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maybe so,but he couldn't put a major dent in placing if not for the after pic..
True, but at the end of the day... most looked better when they first turned pro.
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Dude looks crazy here.
Indeed he does. I'm fascinated by the fact that GSP in the off-season, weighing in at 184-lb, would lay waste to Phil looking as he does in those photos.
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It's not about how he looks.. He's an idiot.
He was busted selling gear. I believe his wife was as well. A lot of talk about him being a rat to reduce his sentence and the guy he ratted on died. Conveniently for Phil since he took credit ;-) nudge nudge for the guy dieing early. I forget his name. Phil mentioned it In a fb msg to me a while back when he and i were arguing... convenient for Phil in that the guy who he supposedly ratted on or who has information on him isn't around anymore to remind people about Phil.
He used his "celebrity", if you could call it that, to push his peptides and push his super pricey totally bunk follistatin and anybody who questioned it was quickly banned
He's a piece of shit 100%. Sells bulk bullshit peptides.
He's pretty proud of his Night of Champions appearance and being told by a judge that he look like "the poster boy for steroid abuse"(see his pics... lots of thick striated dense muscle but also greasy oily bad skin matching greasy, oily hair, dark "androgen" skin, etc) after asking what he placed so low.
He says the dumbest shit in his FB posts! He once said fast food workers work just as hard as doctors and thereby warrant higher than their usual pay! He's also against gun ownership.
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Indeed he does. I'm fascinated by the fact that GSP in the off-season, weighing in at 184-lb, would lay waste to Phil looking as he does in those photos.
GSP?
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Great comparison shots thanks - is there anyone in the world that would think that that 'change' was for the better? ???
(https://s18.postimg.org/usy4x55gp/what_a_difference_a_year_makes.jpg)
If you like double chins and vascularity all over the upper torso. ;)
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You can say what you want about piana but he wasn't a POS like hernan
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If you like double chins and vascularity all over the upper torso. ;)
Fans and judges have voted with patronage and placings: they like it. A lot!
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It's not about how he looks.. He's an idiot.
He was busted selling gear. I believe his wife was as well. A lot of talk about him being a rat to reduce his sentence and the guy he ratted on died. Conveniently for Phil since he took credit ;-) nudge nudge for the guy dieing early. I forget his name. Phil mentioned it In a fb msg to me a while back when he and i were arguing... convenient for Phil in that the guy who he supposedly ratted on or who has information on him isn't around anymore to remind people about Phil.
He used his "celebrity", if you could call it that, to push his peptides and push his super pricey totally bunk follistatin and anybody who questioned it was quickly banned
He's a piece of shit 100%. Sells bulk bullshit peptides.
He's pretty proud of his Night of Champions appearance and being told by a judge that he look like "the poster boy for steroid abuse"(see his pics... lots of thick striated dense muscle but also greasy oily bad skin matching greasy, oily hair, dark "androgen" skin, etc) after asking what he placed so low.
(https://exposingbf.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/irony-meter.jpg?w=467&h=467)
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Although he is about as intelligent as a gnat and a scammer nowadays, wow he had quite the rugged and thick physique back then!
Didn't he get into some trouble with the law way back then?
Not trying to argue with you..just curious...what did he do to scam people?
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Fans and judges have voted with patronage and placings: they like it. A lot!
The vascularity does add a level of freakiness, a la Paul Dillet's chest in 90's.
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This youtube link to Phil in 95 is nuts. I truly believe that if Hernon entered todays Olympia looking like this...he would be top 3 for sure. Heath and crew wouldnt know what to do with that level of thickness and graininess. Hernon was a beast...one of the best and ahead of his time.
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(https://exposingbf.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/irony-meter.jpg?w=467&h=467)
Please explain to us where the irony is. Because I never got busted selling Alex and I'm not using any celebrity to sell any product especially in bulk products or bunk peptides
Or maybe you you were referring to me being the poster boy for a steroid abuse you have to be for your claim was that you couldn't even tell I used anabolics.
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This youtube link to Phil in 95 is nuts. I truly believe that if Hernon entered todays Olympia looking like this...he would be top 3 for sure. Heath and crew wouldnt know what to do with that level of thickness and graininess. Hernon was a beast...one of the best and ahead of his time.
Hi Phil!
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This youtube link to Phil in 95 is nuts. I truly believe that if Hernon entered todays Olympia looking like this...he would be top 3 for sure. Heath and crew wouldnt know what to do with that level of thickness and graininess. Hernon was a beast...one of the best and ahead of his time.
Jesus Christ the guy didn't have many weaknesses. a freak for sure.
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Jesus Christ the guy didn't have many weaknesses. a freak for sure.
Except moral compass and personality.
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Please explain to us where the irony is. Because I never got busted selling Alex and I'm not using any celebrity to sell any product especially in bulk products or bunk peptides
Or maybe you you were referring to me being the poster boy for a steroid abuse you have to be for your claim was that you couldn't even tell I used anabolics.
its because you are lying in a hospital bed as a result of your shitty homebrew gear which you sell online.
You trying to make out its someone elses you used when the person told you was dodgy stretches belief even for someone as stupid as you.
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its because you are lying in a hospital bed as a result of your shitty homebrew gear which you sell online.
You trying to make out its someone elses you used when the person told you was dodgy stretches belief even for someone as stupid as you.
Lol, if it was mine why had nobody else gotten an infection? When nearly 80 bottles in the same batch have been used by others in the past three months. . If it was my stuff don't you think you'd see people posting about it on Facebook or Instagram? Holy fuc you really are the dumbest person I have ever come across online
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Lol, if it was mine why had nobody else gotten an infection? When nearly 80 bottles in the same batch have been used by others in the past three months. . If it was my stuff don't you think you'd see people posting about it on Facebook or Instagram? Holy fuc you really are the dumbest person I have ever come across online
Be there is right, you are hating on Phil for doing basically a much better job of what you're trying to do.
He got busted selling real steroids, you got busted selling abscess creating home brew shit that's put you in the hospital every other week.
You both went to jail but Phil kept his ass and mouth shut while you gave blowbangs in exchange for mac n cheese.
So you are basically a diet coke version of Phil.
Or if Phil took a shit, that would be you.
Hope this explains everything for you and that you get some more hillbilly heroin soon before you go into withdrawals again.
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Be there is right, you are hating on Phil for doing basically a much better job of what you're trying to do.
He got busted selling real steroids, you got busted selling abscess creating home brew shit that's put you in the hospital every other week.
You both went to jail but Phil kept his ass and mouth shut while you gave blowbangs in exchange for mac n cheese.
So you are basically a diet coke version of Phil.
Or if Phil took a shit, that would be you.
Hope this explains everything for you and that you get some more hillbilly heroin soon before you go into withdrawals again.
Actually I've done absolutely nothing that Phil has done. Let me spell it out for you
#1 Phil got busted for selling steroids and then told on somebody (Bert) to get a reduction in a sentence.
#2 I've never been busted for selling steroids. I have done time for simple possession of Trenbolone acetate which I produced myself so who the fuck am I going to tell on you dumb mother fucker. I still got my fucking paperwork (something called a discovery which presents the prosecution's case as well as the sentencing paperwork which would spell out if I told on anybody.) When you go to prison you hold onto your paperwork and you show it to anybody who asks. If you telling anybody most likely that person will end up in prison and your name is going to be on their fucking paperwork so there's absolutely no way to hide which is why my time in prison was so easy because I had a respectable crimes and I told him how slow and nobody. Who the fuck would I be telling on anyways? Besides myself. Do you really think people are going to believe your fucking shit?
#3 has been back in business since 2011 or 2012 and I have absolutely zero clients and customers myself included like I said have an infection watch last a fucking abscess I have kept the same customers for that entire 5 or 6 years. now if my shit was creating abscesses or dirty or underdosing anyway how would I be sleeping the same customers that entire time? A clientele that includes former BB Pros who have used it since the 80s and continue to use my stuff seen absolutely no difference in quality.
#4 no we didn't go to jail idiot. We both went to prison and like I said above I didn't telling anybody. Who the fuck would I be telling on?. Phil however, ratted on Bert. And Bert conveniently passed away before it became easy to take cell phone pictures of paperwork and post them online message boards and places like Instagram or make videos and post them on YouTube.
#5 is still took a shit it would look like what he sees when he looks in the mirror. Funny how you're standing up for a guy who sells bunk peptides and was banned from his own associates forum.
#6 I'm not the diet coke version phil. I'm the Arabica coffee with a lot of cream and a lot of sugar version of Eric.
#7 keep them coming and keep looking more and more like a shill for Sciroxx. You should notice but now that I have a reply for each and every one of your thirsty accusations.
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Actually I've done absolutely nothing that Phil has done. Let me spell it out for you
#1 Phil got busted for selling steroids and then told on somebody (Bert) to get a reduction in a sentence.
#2 I've never been busted for selling steroids. I have done time for simple possession of Trenbolone acetate which I produced myself so who the fuck am I going to tell on you dumb mother fucker. I still got my fucking paperwork (something called a discovery which presents the prosecution's case as well as the sentencing paperwork which would spell out if I told on anybody.) When you go to prison you hold onto your paperwork and you show it to anybody who asks. If you telling anybody most likely that person will end up in prison and your name is going to be on their fucking paperwork so there's absolutely no way to hide which is why my time in prison was so easy because I had a respectable crimes and I told him how slow and nobody. Who the fuck would I be telling on anyways? Besides myself. Do you really think people are going to believe your fucking shit?
#3 has been back in business since 2011 or 2012 and I have absolutely zero clients and customers myself included like I said have an infection watch last a fucking abscess I have kept the same customers for that entire 5 or 6 years. now if my shit was creating abscesses or dirty or underdosing anyway how would I be sleeping the same customers that entire time? A clientele that includes former BB Pros who have used it since the 80s and continue to use my stuff seen absolutely no difference in quality.
#4 no we didn't go to jail idiot. We both went to prison and like I said above I didn't telling anybody. Who the fuck would I be telling on?. Phil however, ratted on Bert. And Bert conveniently passed away before it became easy to take cell phone pictures of paperwork and post them online message boards and places like Instagram or make videos and post them on YouTube.
#5 is still took a shit it would look like what he sees when he looks in the mirror. Funny how you're standing up for a guy who sells bunk peptides and was banned from his own associates forum.
#6 I'm not the diet coke version phil. I'm the Arabica coffee with a lot of cream and a lot of sugar version of Eric.
#7 keep them coming and keep looking more and more like a shill for Sciroxx. You should notice but now that I have a reply for each and every one of your thirsty accusations.
I hope there are no DEA agents reading this you moron...
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Awesome!!!!!Incredible symmetry with a brutal amount of muscle.
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I believe prostate cancer has a high survival rate.
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I believe prostate cancer has a high survival rate.
caught early,and with many options and wait time before treatment,again late diagnosis and affected tissue/nodes around it could be trouble.i had an infection there and it was hell for 3 months worst pain ever for me ever!!!my psa levels last 2 blood tests are perfect ..
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He just totally owned titus. Heard titus lost it after this and it started his downfall. Could be wrong...
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Phil's a Facebook friend. He just got done doing chemo and is cancer free. Still looks good at 200 pounds.
He's also an open book and is quite honest about his past drug use, as well as other aspects of his life, past and present. He gets my respect for that.
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Did he do recs as well as roids?
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Phil's a Facebook friend. He just got done doing chemo and is cancer free. Still looks good at 200 pounds.
He's also an open book and is quite honest about his past drug use, as well as other aspects of his life, past and present. He gets my respect for that.
Is he honest when selling snake oil?
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Was always a huge fan of Hernon..his physique and his training methods. Met him a few times in the mid 90's...very nice guy in person. Very humble and would answer anything you asked him and gave your question time and thought. I just watched everyone of his short youtube video-talks over the past week...and I must say...it is the best stuff on the web from a true bodybuilder who walked the walk. Guys need to get through his humor and see that his advice and ramblings are solid good stuff.
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Phil still looking great at 50 years old. Cancer survivor too. 5'8" approx 210lbs. TRT dose only. Solid built muscle here. 1 set per bodypart,full body training 7 days per week...day off only when needed. 15-20 reps to basic positive failure. Watch his videos...GREAT STUFF as I said. HONEST STUFF.
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People who had prostate cancer get TRT? That surprises me, but what do I know.
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Based on the studies and latest research it does not appear that testosterone causes prostate cancer, nor that it has a negative impact on men who already have the disease. At the same time, another hormone—estrogen—seems to play the main role in the disease. Signs and symptoms of elevated estrogen in men—low libido, breast development, risk of stroke and heart attack, infertility, weight gain—are the same as those associated with low testosterone, so estrogen, not testosterone, is a hormone that needs to be equally managed as part of living a healthy and cancer free life.
https://prostate.net/articles/testosterone-prostate-cancer-link
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Is he honest when selling snake oil?
Don't know about that!
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Is he honest when selling snake oil?
All supplements are bullshit so.....who isn't selling snake oil
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I once asked an oncologist why do men's risk of prostate cancer go up as his testosterone levels go down. He shrugged. True story.
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All supplements are bullshit so.....who isn't selling snake oil
He w
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All supplements are bullshit so.....who isn't selling snake oil
He was really pushing those peptides and bullshit IGF. Not the IGF that the camel crew are using.
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zinc, pumpkin seed oil an walnut oil are your 2 best bets for prostate cancer in terms of supplements
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RIP
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Better to die young as a thong warrior on dialysis with your kidneys destroyed by steroids and diuretics than live to a ripe old age with family, friends, and a full lifetime of experiences.
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Makes me think there could be a spin off of the show “Intervention” on YT for BBers abusing PE’s (some use recs too obviously)
When I watch intervention some of these people seem bright and can be successful and yet can rationalize doing heroin and/or meth.
These guys remind me of them.
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Better to die young as a thong warrior on dialysis with your kidneys destroyed by steroids and diuretics than live to a ripe old age with family, friends, and a full lifetime of experiences.
Bienvenidos a nuestra iglesia...
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Alabado sea el Señor...
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lol^
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Haha!
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Herndon was good but what does he look like now that he's dead?
Bhank looks better now and that's all that counts.
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To add to my post above concerning 1995:
Francios won the ASC
Nasser won the NOC
Palumbo won the Jr Nationals
Hernon won the USA
Yates won the Olympia
Don't forget. Ronnie Coleman won his first pro show in 1995, the Montreal Pro Classic.
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i believe i read way back when he won nationals he was influenced by mike mentzer, i could be wrong though this is going back awhile
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First generation of Bloofy pros...look at that waist...muscles look like shit and face hardly lean (double chins) on stage....all drugs!!! fuck him!!
Bro...
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I bet Titus miss his golden long hair as we speak .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Bro...
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Better to die young as a thong warrior on dialysis with your kidneys destroyed by steroids and diuretics than live to a ripe old age with family, friends, and a full lifetime of experiences.
Bro...
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Except moral compass and personality.
Bro...
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Titus got outmuscled. In 1995, bodybuilding was a size game. Titus showed up to the USA's with a ponytail and tried to look like a pretty boy. Hernon looked like a tank and was given the victory.
Lmfao!