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Nearly 30 fucking years progress?
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Good drugs and hard work vs. Poor work ethic and further reliance on weaker compounds
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For whatever reason the talent pool is worse these days. That's the main reason for these sub-par physiques winning these days. Drugs, whether crappy or excellent, don't affect muscle attachments for example. Look at Shawn Ray there and compare to the others, Shawn simply has superior genetic shape.
Good drugs and hard work vs. Poor work ethic and further reliance on weaker compounds
The average steroid stack is way stronger today. The milligrams are way higher but the compounds are stronger as well. A gram of tren is nothing crazy today whereas 150mg was a lot, IF they even used it.
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Looks 10x better than anybody this year
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For whatever reason the talent pool is worse these days. That's the main reason for these sub-par physiques winning these days. Drugs, whether crappy or excellent, don't affect muscle attachments for example. Look at Shawn Ray there and compare to the others, Shawn simply has superior genetic shape.
The average steroid stack is way stronger today. The milligrams are way higher but the compounds are stronger as well. A gram of tren is nothing crazy today whereas 150mg was a lot, IF they even used it.
the old parabolon blew the nuts of tren today....
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the old parabolon blew the nuts of tren today....
I know that's what many think but I simply don't agree for many reasons. But I'm curious why that would be in your opinion? For example, if several analytical labs have confirmed brands like Alpha Pharma have the correct compound as well as dosage, of tren hex, why would it be so much weaker? To me, it's kinda like me saying nothing comes close to original Bayer Aspirin, all these generic salicylic acids sold today are shit, you have to take 10 tabs instead of one to get rid of a headache. Maybe you have some good theory...
The main reason, imo, for the fond memories is age. At 40 a certain steroid will not have the same kick as it did when we were 18. Everything worked better then, training, food, drugs, everything. For natural reasons.
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Levrone said a while back that the drugs were better before. But Levrone is old, that's the reason he isn't responding as well now. Simple. Strange that todays drugs seem to be working quite well for Heath and Kai Lol. Great results considering all the tren today is supposedly fake or extremely weak.
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Drugs is not the problem the problem is the talent pool is so low these days just a bunch of dudes with crappy genetics who blew up on drugs, for some reason the guys in the 90s had amazing genetics that we are not seeing today.
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Drugs is not the problem the problem is the talent pool is so low these days just a bunch of dudes with crappy genetics who blew up on drugs, for some reason the guys in the 90s had amazing genetics that we are not seeing today.
QFT. Except for very few exceptions.
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maybe those in the better talent pool realized that bodybuilding these days will get you no where...
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maybe those in the better talent pool realized that bodybuilding these days will get you no where...
You have a point I think for the future you will see bodybuilders with shape and great muscle bellies going to classic physique and the guys with crappy genetics built like a fridge completing in bodybuilding, drug use is open these days and everybody knows the kind of hardcore cycle that is required to be a pro and a lot of these guys are not willing to ruin their health to get a pro card that doesnt mean much because only a few pro bodybuilders make money from the sport.
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I know that's what many think but I simply don't agree for many reasons. But I'm curious why that would be in your opinion? For example, if several analytical labs have confirmed brands like Alpha Pharma have the correct compound as well as dosage, of tren hex, why would it be so much weaker? To me, it's kinda like me saying nothing comes close to original Bayer Aspirin, all these generic salicylic acids sold today are shit, you have to take 10 tabs instead of one to get rid of a headache. Maybe you have some good theory...
The main reason, imo, for the fond memories is age. At 40 a certain steroid will not have the same kick as it did when we were 18. Everything worked better then, training, food, drugs, everything. For natural reasons.
I was taking the old parabolan when I was 28, two shots a week was pretty much enough to make you an emotional wreak, that was just over 150mgs
A gram of tren these days????
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I was taking the old parabolan when I was 28, two shots a week was pretty much enough to make you an emotional wreak, that was just over 150mgs
A gram of tren these days????
I had an extremely negative reaction to the old Parabolan back in '96 or so and it actually scared me off all steroids for a few years. But you don't always get the same reaction at different points in your life. Plus your body and mind can adapt to higher and higher doses over time. Tren still wrecks guys' minds... almost everyone gets increased anxiety and quite a few to the point of panic attacks. Homicidal and suicidal ideation etc Lol... but guys still use it despite all because it works. A few handle it with rec drugs.
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Even though I don't want to admit it, Shawn ray could make any physique look bad.
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Not a bad look just not enough size.
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Not a bad look just not enough size.
Yeah, he looks good based on that picture
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I was taking the old parabolan when I was 28, two shots a week was pretty much enough to make you an emotional wreak, that was just over 150mgs
A gram of tren these days????
I can remember Dorian saying he couldn't take more than 3 shots of parabolan a week
As his mid - lower back would lock up --
my training partner & i had the same problem if we did 3 shots a week - 2 fine -
a couple of weeks on 3 and lockup on deadlifts / bent rows / squats
How they are doing a 1000+ mgs of Parabolan equivalent !!!
It appears there is some difference to the compounds.
We were using 2x organon sust - deca -From The Napp Labs and 2x parabolan -- Negam
strong as hell & less than 8% body fat felt like could walk through walls
If only i could get the exact same items now..
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I can remember Dorian saying he couldn't take more than 3 shots of parabolan a week
As his mid - lower back would lock up --
my training partner & i had the same problem if we did 3 shots a week - 2 fine -
a couple of weeks on 3 and lockup on deadlifts / bent rows / squats
How they are doing a 1000+ mgs of Parabolan equivalent !!!
It appears there is some difference to the compounds.
We were using 2x organon sust - deca -From The Napp Labs and 2x parabolan -- Negam
strong as hell & less than 8% body fat felt like could walk through walls
If only i could get the exact same items now..
Certain side effects do not always increase much with increasing dose. And like I said, you adapt to higher doses over time. A complete beginner would feel like death on 4 grams whereas someone who has been on for 2 decades straight may handle it fine. Some sides like a tight/pumped lower back are affected by where you are in your "prep". Lower back tightness is usually much worse in the off-season/at higher bodyweight. My training partner can't squat or deadlift at all right now due to lower back pumps, can hardly walk 20 feet without painful pumps. But once contest prep starts and weight comes down it will ease up despite increased dosages.
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Looks 10x better than anybody this year
Looks better than all the 202-212 guys have ever looked.
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Back in the day genetics made a difference.
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Looks 10x better than anybody this year
186lbs, amazing....
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Certain side effects do not always increase much with increasing dose. And like I said, you adapt to higher doses over time. A complete beginner would feel like death on 4 grams whereas someone who has been on for 2 decades straight may handle it fine. Some sides like a tight/pumped lower back are affected by where you are in your "prep". Lower back tightness is usually much worse in the off-season/at higher bodyweight. My training partner can't squat or deadlift at all right now due to lower back pumps, can hardly walk 20 feet without painful pumps. But once contest prep starts and weight comes down it will ease up despite increased dosages.
Of Course age is a factor.
Not so sure about the Bodyfat- as i was a very lean 95kg & my training partner at the time
a Mr Britain / Europe / universe was never far off condition wise.
After using many different steroids for many years myself & and with many Different people
in contest prep & off season - There is a difference between Genuine Pharmaceutical steroids
and even the best of the underground lab ones.
Likely down to Purity & Quality Control.
we have to use what is available now and make the most of it.
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For whatever reason the talent pool is worse these days. That's the main reason for these sub-par physiques winning these days. Drugs, whether crappy or excellent, don't affect muscle attachments for example. Look at Shawn Ray there and compare to the others, Shawn simply has superior genetic shape.
The average steroid stack is way stronger today. The milligrams are way higher but the compounds are stronger as well. A gram of tren is nothing crazy today whereas 150mg was a lot, IF they even used it.
To some degree genetics yes but I refuse to believe that there just isn't anyone out there that doesn't have elite genetics. Back in those days there were plenty of them and the contests were close. Combine GH and slin and all this other shit they are using today and you are ending up with a grotesque look.
Take someone today and start him out with some test deca winny and watch him grow. IF he sticks to the basics he will get a very thick dense look to his muscles. Add in some anadrol and tren and it will take him to another level. Guys back then didn't have GH and slin and it showed. There physique has a very different look to it. Take a guy like Jeff King, how do you think he would do today? He def wouldn't belong in the line up good or bad. No matter how he looked they wouldn't place him high because he wouldn't fit in, but hey they place Dexter up there so who knows and Jeff in his prime shits on Dexter.
There is no detail to these guys today. Years ago you could tell when the pros got on slin but today you can't tell with the new guys because they all start from day one. This is hurting their physique. Take Jay Cutler for example. In the beginning lots of GH and slin seemed to actually make him look better but after years of abuse you start to see some atrophy in his physique. He lost a lot of fullness, his arms got worse his lower back started to tear and his Christmas tree was gone. His waist got huge his oblique's stuck out and they all have a turtle gut.
This extra 40 pounds on the scale isn't really doing much as far as making them look any better. All it is doing is in the end destroying their bodies and it's not reversible. Look at all the calf atrophy and the quad tears Ronnie and Gunter both and there are more. Gunters calves and Wolf's look identical. If I were to advise anyone today that had any aspirations to compete it would be took stick to steroids only. There is nothing wrong with looking like Arnold or Haney and if you don't have the genetics then how bout just being happy to walk around big and maybe a bit more healthy.
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Of Course age is a factor.
Not so sure about the Bodyfat- as i was a very lean 95kg & my training partner at the time
a Mr Britain / Europe / universe was never far off condition wise.
After using many different steroids for many years myself & and with many Different people
in contest prep & off season - There is a difference between Genuine Pharmaceutical steroids
and even the best of the underground lab ones.
Likely down to Purity & Quality Control.
we have to use what is available now and make the most of it.
You can still get some pharma steroids. Various testosterones and various orals. While I would always pick the real pharma they simply aren't magical compared to many UG ones. For example, switching from pharma test to UG test most can't tell the difference. At one point I did 2 amps of Zambon Winstrol a day and thought it was a very weak steroid, couldn't really tell I was on anything. Levrone on the other hand thought it was magic at 2 amps a week ( at least that's what he claimed dosage wise). I've done other pharma orals like Anadrol and if anything the UG Anadrol seemed better.
Do you use any pharma these days? Do you think pharma test is vastly better for example?
Go look at Pumping Iron again, many of the guys in it look natural by today's standards and they were all on that magic Ciba Dianabol and Organon Deca etc.
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You can still get some pharma steroids. Various testosterones and various orals. While I would always pick the real pharma they simply aren't magical compared to many UG ones. For example, switching from pharma test to UG test most can't tell the difference. At one point I did 2 amps of Zambon Winstrol a day and thought it was a very weak steroid, couldn't really tell I was on anything. Levrone on the other hand thought it was magic at 2 amps a week ( at least that's what he claimed dosage wise). I've done other pharma orals like Anadrol and if anything the UG Anadrol seemed better.
Do you use any pharma these days? Do you think pharma test is vastly better for example?
Go look at Pumping Iron again, many of the guys in it look natural by today's standards and they were all on that magic Ciba Dianabol and Organon Deca etc.
I went to watch the Mr Universe NABBA just recently - and the standard of competition overall was atrocious other than for 4-5 in each class - and they were all likely using The Magical Underground lab Products - well 3 of the top place finishers were as i know them personally , yet they looked great & so many didn't.
Likewise i have been to & judged a few shows this year & previous years were the caliber was woeful - no magical underground super dosed products for them either.
Point being there has always been under par competitors at all shows.
As you stated we all respond differently to different compounds - My training partner back then responded Really well to Stromba tabs & the injectable Heptalyte - Neither did very much for me.
I very rarely see any genuine pharmaceutical products - I do see a few imitation copies of them - Mainly Parabolan - Strange as Negma stopped producing this in 1996 i believe.
For me personally given the choice if i could buy Pharmaceutical or underground -- I would go for the Pharm grade every time.
we now have 50mg winstrol tabs ::) the originals were 2mg
And 50mg anavar tabs ::) the originals were 2.5mg
So these are really 25 & 20 times the original dose. Ha
Also deca in ever increasing mg amounts per 1ml when organon could only dissolve 100mg per 1ml
Hmmm so Mr Kitchen / Shed chemist can Magically do what a multi million pound pharmaceutical company's cannot... ::) I think not.
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I went to watch the Mr Universe NABBA just recently - and the standard of competition overall was atrocious other than for 4-5 in each class - and they were all likely using The Magical Underground lab Products - well 3 of the top place finishers were as i know them personally , yet they looked great & so many didn't.
Likewise i have been to & judged a few shows this year & previous years were the caliber was woeful - no magical underground super dosed products for them either.
Point being there has always been under par competitors at all shows.
As you stated we all respond differently to different compounds - My training partner back then responded Really well to Stromba tabs & the injectable Heptalyte - Neither did very much for me.
I very rarely see any genuine pharmaceutical products - I do see a few imitation copies of them - Mainly Parabolan - Strange as Negma stopped producing this in 1996 i believe.
For me personally given the choice if i could buy Pharmaceutical or underground -- I would go for the Pharm grade every time.
we now have 50mg winstrol tabs ::) the originals were 2mg
And 50mg anavar tabs ::) the originals were 2.5mg
So these are really 25 & 20 times the original dose. Ha
Also deca in ever increasing mg amounts per 1ml when organon could only dissolve 100mg per 1ml
Hmmm so Mr Kitchen / Shed chemist can Magically do what a multi million pound pharmaceutical company's cannot... ::) I think not.
The thing is, that UG products have been tested by labs all over the world, some of them government labs, and many have been properly dosed and in some cases overdosed. If the government tests products after a bust to build a case against a dealer what do you make of the results? Are you saying government labs can't properly test for steroids? As far as high dosed gear it can be done with lots of solvents. HG doesn't because there are limits to solvent levels, for example 2% benzyl alcohol in the EU I think, plus higher dosed gear can cause irritation and pain. High dosed gear is not a myth. There are a lot of problems with UG for sure and I would pick HG every time as well but there is real gear, there are real 50mg Winstrols and so on. Even those crappy looking IP Winstrol tabs were tested as slightly overdosed BY GOVERNMENT LABS! Some other tabs were underdosed and some mislabeled but the Winstrol was good from what I remember.
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I blame the reliance on Hammer Strength. :-\
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The thing is, that UG products have been tested by labs all over the world, some of them government labs, and many have been properly dosed and in some cases overdosed. If the government tests products after a bust to build a case against a dealer what do you make of the results? Are you saying government labs can't properly test for steroids? As far as high dosed gear it can be done with lots of solvents. HG doesn't because there are limits to solvent levels, for example 2% benzyl alcohol in the EU I think, plus higher dosed gear can cause irritation and pain. High dosed gear is not a myth. There are a lot of problems with UG for sure and I would pick HG every time as well but there is real gear, there are real 50mg Winstrols and so on. Even those crappy looking IP Winstrol tabs were tested as slightly overdosed BY GOVERNMENT LABS! Some other tabs were underdosed and some mislabeled but the Winstrol was good from what I remember.
Yes i agree with you - i am sure there are some very good underground labs producing good
quality gear - well i hope so as i use and sell some of them...Ha ha
And the lads i help use it. - so there is some good gear around.
My point is many items are copied not just steroids -- But given the choice i would buy the
Genuine manufacturers product where ever possible - Be that a car or clothes or gear.
Especially gear -That's just my view having used both types.
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Yes i agree with you - i am sure there are some very good underground labs producing good
quality gear - well i hope so as i use and sell some of them...Ha ha
And the lads i help use it. - so there is some good gear around.
My point is many items are copied not just steroids -- But given the choice i would buy the
Genuine manufacturers product where ever possible - Be that a car or clothes or gear.
Especially gear -That's just my view having used both types.
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PMs incoming....in 3,2,1....
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PMs incoming....in 3,2,1....
ops -- Ha ha.
Yes my mailbag will suddenly be overflowing -- Not.
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Real fda approved pharma vs ug lab underdosed crap
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I forgot how good varga was. BB sux today.
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Real fda approved pharma vs ug lab underdosed crap
Can't always trust pharma either
https://www.instagram.com/p/BL_-ct5lBF7/
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Can't always trust pharma either
https://www.instagram.com/p/BL_-ct5lBF7/
1st Major Give away.
Please -- Pharmacuetical companies Do Not Make 10Ml Multi Dose Bottles.....
Thought You Would Know This.
Becuase The Sterility Risk.
Veterinary Steriods Do Come In Multi Dose Bottles Though.
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1st Major Give away.
Please -- Pharmacuetical companies Do Not Make 10Ml Multi Dose Bottles.....
Thought You Would Know This.
Becuase The Sterility Risk.
Veterinary Steriods Do Come In Multi Dose Bottles Though.
They do, basically ALL testosterone preparations are 10ml bottles in the US. Europe is different, except the test undecanoate which is a 4ml rubber top vial.
US made pharma test cyp
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I forgot how good varga was. BB sux today.
I trained with Tom when he was a teenager. Incredibly strong, could bench 320 lbs for 20 reps at a bodyweight less than 180.
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1st Major Give away.
Please -- Pharmacuetical companies Do Not Make 10Ml Multi Dose Bottles.....
Thought You Would Know This.
Becuase The Sterility Risk.
Veterinary Steriods Do Come In Multi Dose Bottles Though.
when was the last time you saw a nurse in hospital crack a 1ml vial?
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They do, basically ALL testosterone preparations are 10ml bottles in the US. Europe is different, except the test undecanoate which is a 4ml rubber top vial.
US made pharma test cyp
Ahha - I stand corrected - the difference between uk & USA.
Thank you.
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when was the last time you saw a nurse in hospital crack a 1ml vial?
Weekly as my son is under a consultant & has been for the Last 7+ years
And has his med's in hospital.
Other than that I do my utmost to keep out of hospitals & church's.
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To some degree genetics yes but I refuse to believe that there just isn't anyone out there that doesn't have elite genetics. Back in those days there were plenty of them and the contests were close. Combine GH and slin and all this other shit they are using today and you are ending up with a grotesque look.
Take someone today and start him out with some test deca winny and watch him grow. IF he sticks to the basics he will get a very thick dense look to his muscles. Add in some anadrol and tren and it will take him to another level. Guys back then didn't have GH and slin and it showed. There physique has a very different look to it. Take a guy like Jeff King, how do you think he would do today? He def wouldn't belong in the line up good or bad. No matter how he looked they wouldn't place him high because he wouldn't fit in, but hey they place Dexter up there so who knows and Jeff in his prime shits on Dexter.
There is no detail to these guys today. Years ago you could tell when the pros got on slin but today you can't tell with the new guys because they all start from day one. This is hurting their physique. Take Jay Cutler for example. In the beginning lots of GH and slin seemed to actually make him look better but after years of abuse you start to see some atrophy in his physique. He lost a lot of fullness, his arms got worse his lower back started to tear and his Christmas tree was gone. His waist got huge his oblique's stuck out and they all have a turtle gut.
This extra 40 pounds on the scale isn't really doing much as far as making them look any better. All it is doing is in the end destroying their bodies and it's not reversible. Look at all the calf atrophy and the quad tears Ronnie and Gunter both and there are more. Gunters calves and Wolf's look identical. If I were to advise anyone today that had any aspirations to compete it would be took stick to steroids only. There is nothing wrong with looking like Arnold or Haney and if you don't have the genetics then how bout just being happy to walk around big and maybe a bit more healthy.
Good post
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Shawn Ray always looks amazing
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Forgot about him. Great Physique!
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Drugs is not the problem the problem is the talent pool is so low these days just a bunch of dudes with crappy genetics who blew up on drugs, for some reason the guys in the 90s had amazing genetics that we are not seeing today.
Good observation, I agree
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To some degree genetics yes but I refuse to believe that there just isn't anyone out there that doesn't have elite genetics. Back in those days there were plenty of them and the contests were close. Combine GH and slin and all this other shit they are using today and you are ending up with a grotesque look.
Take someone today and start him out with some test deca winny and watch him grow. IF he sticks to the basics he will get a very thick dense look to his muscles. Add in some anadrol and tren and it will take him to another level. Guys back then didn't have GH and slin and it showed. There physique has a very different look to it. Take a guy like Jeff King, how do you think he would do today? He def wouldn't belong in the line up good or bad. No matter how he looked they wouldn't place him high because he wouldn't fit in, but hey they place Dexter up there so who knows and Jeff in his prime shits on Dexter.
There is no detail to these guys today. Years ago you could tell when the pros got on slin but today you can't tell with the new guys because they all start from day one. This is hurting their physique. Take Jay Cutler for example. In the beginning lots of GH and slin seemed to actually make him look better but after years of abuse you start to see some atrophy in his physique. He lost a lot of fullness, his arms got worse his lower back started to tear and his Christmas tree was gone. His waist got huge his oblique's stuck out and they all have a turtle gut.
This extra 40 pounds on the scale isn't really doing much as far as making them look any better. All it is doing is in the end destroying their bodies and it's not reversible. Look at all the calf atrophy and the quad tears Ronnie and Gunter both and there are more. Gunters calves and Wolf's look identical. If I were to advise anyone today that had any aspirations to compete it would be took stick to steroids only. There is nothing wrong with looking like Arnold or Haney and if you don't have the genetics then how bout just being happy to walk around big and maybe a bit more healthy.
I'm glad you brought up Jeff because I was able to train with him a few times in Springfield. No gh, no slin and basic compound movements. He was ahead of his time with dieting and never did drastic things getting ready for a contest. I think this shredded glutes expectation is also making people look worse on stage because of what they have to do to achieve them. The guys in the videos look fuller and don't look like they needed diuretics to achieve their look.
Seems so complex now and even NPC competitors are hiring "gurus" to help them peak. Oh and I have never seen so many pec tears locally in young guys and I think tren is behind that. It's the only common denominator I can find between all the guys.
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I can remember Dorian saying he couldn't take more than 3 shots of parabolan a week
As his mid - lower back would lock up --
my training partner & i had the same problem if we did 3 shots a week - 2 fine -
a couple of weeks on 3 and lockup on deadlifts / bent rows / squats
How they are doing a 1000+ mgs of Parabolan equivalent !!!
It appears there is some difference to the compounds.
We were using 2x organon sust - deca -From The Napp Labs and 2x parabolan -- Negam
strong as hell & less than 8% body fat felt like could walk through walls
If only i could get the exact same items now..
I remember my old gym in the late 90-early 2000, a lot of lifter were speaking about the good old negma. The magical stack was 2 test e + 2 para negma (152mg). They told me they couldn't handle more than 2/3 negma e.w because it was too strong. I can remember myself the first time i used sustanon in 2002, genuine from european pharma produced in the organon factory based in netherlands, damn it was crazy, the stuff was unbelievable. Then i used the paki and various source of sust but none of these came close from the pharma sust.
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I'm glad you brought up Jeff because I was able to train with him a few times in Springfield. No gh, no slin and basic compound movements. He was ahead of his time with dieting and never did drastic things getting ready for a contest. I think this shredded glutes expectation is also making people look worse on stage because of what they have to do to achieve them. The guys in the videos look fuller and don't look like they needed diuretics to achieve their look.
Seems so complex now and even NPC competitors are hiring "gurus" to help them peak. Oh and I have never seen so many pec tears locally in young guys and I think tren is behind that. It's the only common denominator I can find between all the guys.
Why do you feel tren is behind pec tears?
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King had some thick fucking legs...
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Why do you feel tren is behind pec tears?
I will take this, its because he believes that it strengthens the muscle faster than the tendon can cope with, and as such the tendons cannot withstand the extra weight.
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I will take this, its because he believes that it strengthens the muscle faster than the tendon can cope with, and as such the tendons cannot withstand the extra weight.
Exactly. The only pec tear I saw when I was competing was a guy I spotted benching 550lbs and that was tough to pull off him :o. I was not far behind him competing raw in the 198's and never had as much as a twinge.
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Exactly. The only pec tear I saw when I was competing was a guy I spotted benching 550lbs and that was tough to pull off him :o. I was not far behind him competing raw in the 198's and never had as much as a twinge.
compliment fishing of peace.
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My Watson test from target pharma only ever came in 5 ml bottles
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I was taking the old parabolan when I was 28, two shots a week was pretty much enough to make you an emotional wreak, that was just over 150mgs
A gram of tren these days????
I had an extremely negative reaction to the old Parabolan back in '96 or so and it actually scared me off all steroids for a few years. But you don't always get the same reaction at different points in your life. Plus your body and mind can adapt to higher and higher doses over time. Tren still wrecks guys' minds... almost everyone gets increased anxiety and quite a few to the point of panic attacks. Homicidal and suicidal ideation etc Lol... but guys still use it despite all because it works. A few handle it with rec drugs.
This was the beauty of not having the internet back then - I didn't know these things were supposed to have that sort of effect!
My first cycle of the original Parabolan (+Schering Primo) while I was dieting at the same time I clearly remember I could suddenly do strict bodyweight chins and those knuckle-in Gironda dips all day and on on low carbs to boot... probably the best functional condition I ever got into if I'm honest... (old fart sighs and puts the fading pictures back into his wallet at this point. ;D)
In fact, the only time I remember anything affecting me (that I noticed myself anyway) was the first time I tried Clenbuterol, which made me a bit twitchy when doing door work.
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This was the beauty of not having the internet back then - I didn't know these things were supposed to have that sort of effect!
My first cycle of the original Parabolan (+Schering Primo) while I was dieting at the same time I clearly remember I could suddenly do strict bodyweight chins and those knuckle-in Gironda dips all day and on on low carbs to boot... probably the best functional condition I ever got into if I'm honest... (old fart sighs and puts the fading pictures back into his wallet at this point. ;D)
In fact, the only time I remember anything affecting me (that I noticed myself anyway) was the first time I tried Clenbuterol, which made me a bit twitchy when doing door work.
the advice when using clen back in the 90s was take enough to give you the shakes then cut back a tab.
very professional.
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I can remember Dorian saying he couldn't take more than 3 shots of parabolan a week
As his mid - lower back would lock up --
my training partner & i had the same problem if we did 3 shots a week - 2 fine -
a couple of weeks on 3 and lockup on deadlifts / bent rows / squats
How they are doing a 1000+ mgs of Parabolan equivalent !!!
It appears there is some difference to the compounds.
We were using 2x organon sust - deca -From The Napp Labs and 2x parabolan -- Negam
strong as hell & less than 8% body fat felt like could walk through walls
If only i could get the exact same items now..
I remember my old gym in the late 90-early 2000, a lot of lifter were speaking about the good old negma. The magical stack was 2 test e + 2 para negma (152mg). They told me they couldn't handle more than 2/3 negma e.w because it was too strong. I can remember myself the first time i used sustanon in 2002, genuine from european pharma produced in the organon factory based in netherlands, damn it was crazy, the stuff was unbelievable. Then i used the paki and various source of sust but none of these came close from the pharma sust.
We used to get our Organon Sust in those ampoules that came all strung along in a (seemingly) endless single line of a plastic bubble with a foil back, like an ammunition bandolier. Because of the Underground Steroid Handbook we saw a huge amount of them ;). I used to hate using the little file to weaken the neck as I always expected the thing to shatter if I gripped it too hard. The guy we got them from worked for the UN or something out in India/Pakistan or something (or so the story went). Seemed to work well for us but I s'pose I had nothing to compare it against at the time.
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We used to get our Organon Sust in those ampoules that came all strung along in a (seemingly) endless single line of a plastic bubble with a foil back, like an ammunition bandolier. Because of the Underground Steroid Handbook we saw a huge amount of them ;). I used to hate using the little file to weaken the neck as I always expected the thing to shatter if I gripped it too hard. The guy we got them from worked for the UN or something out in India/Pakistan or something (or so the story went). Seemed to work well for us but I s'pose I had nothing to compare it against at the time.
Egypt now.