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Title: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 22, 2016, 12:32:35 PM
After cancelling a sit down with the paper because he claimed the Times changed the terms of the sitdown (which they denied), he eventually showed up to deliver his latest rant. According to the times, when he was asked about whether or not he energized the alt-right movement, he replied  "It’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group.

Obviously, he will claim he was misquoted or change his mind within the next 24 hours, but why is this a group he's disavowing for a few convenient hours? 

He also says he doesn't feel strongly about wanting to prosecute Clinton. LBR, what he plans to do to the office will make Hillary Clinton look like a monk.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Erik C on November 22, 2016, 12:39:49 PM
More MSM shit. He should've told the NYT to go fuck themselves.

The MSM is going to be on full attack thoughout Trump's Presidency.

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Yamcha on November 22, 2016, 01:25:51 PM
Not even one day in office yet...

(https://i.sli.mg/FcsgKs.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 22, 2016, 02:00:48 PM
He's talking about Fringe groups: the klan, and neo-nazis, not the Breitbart alt-right.

Why would he disavow the latter and at the same time hire Steve Bannon?

Just more MSM dishonesty.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: mass243 on November 22, 2016, 02:34:45 PM
Not even one day in office yet...

(https://i.sli.mg/FcsgKs.jpg)

What bullshit.



Is that crybaby implicating he moved from ussr to usa?
Why didn't he go fight in afghanistan? Because he is traitor and pussy.
Now he doesn't want to live in usa either?
Shows you what kind of people left russia. No use for anything productive. Good only in shitting their pants and mouthrunning.
Kick him out and he can settle in fucking somalia.


Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 22, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
He's talking about Fringe groups: the klan, and neo-nazis, not the Breitbart alt-right.

Why would he disavow the latter and at the same time hire Steve Bannon?

Just more MSM dishonesty.

 ::) You said this just a few days ago:



The current tactic of the Left is to label the Alt-Right as a racist, nationalist movement, when, as Milo put it beautifully, it's about values and ideals.
... and then later tried to minimize the disproportionate support the altright gets from white supremacists. I'

If you are racist, fine. If you feel like there are other alt-right values that appeal to you that don't have anything to  do with race, fine. But it just has no connection to reality to pretend that the alt-right movement does not appeal to avowed, vocal, committed  racists in a way that other political ideologies  don't.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Erik C on November 22, 2016, 03:02:05 PM
But it just has no connection to reality to pretend that the alt-right movement does not appeal to avowed, vocal, committed  racists in a way that other political ideologies  don't.

Because other political ideologies are avowed, vocal, committed racists against white people, constantly discriminating against the white race, in particular straight white males.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Howard on November 22, 2016, 03:42:21 PM
I think Trump is wrongly accused of being a racist.
He seems to be about awarding the best and brightest.
In my opinion, being anti-affirmative action is often confused with being racist.

The alt-right thinks he's closer to their ideology because he has no built in favoritism .
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 22, 2016, 03:52:26 PM
::) You said this just a few days ago:
... and then later tried to minimize the disproportionate support the altright gets from white supremacists. I'

If you are racist, fine. If you feel like there are other alt-right values that appeal to you that don't have anything to  do with race, fine. But it just has no connection to reality to pretend that the alt-right movement does not appeal to avowed, vocal, committed  racists in a way that other political ideologies  don't.

I minimize racists because they have no place at the table in a Trump administration or in the Republican Party. The opinions of the klan or Neo Nazis are not part of the public discourse and are mainly confined to a few corners of the Internet. To be honest, I didn't even know that racist groups have rebranded themselves as the alt-right. The first time I heard the term alt-right was from Milo. He's not exactly the poster boy for the klan, now is he?

 I don't really get hung up labels, but, if I had to pick one, it would be Libertarian not alt-right. What appeals most to me about Trump is that he's pro-business: low taxes and fewer regulations. The reason the Democratic Party has nothing to offer me is that they hate capitalism and want it replaced with a Marxist/ Socialist model.

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Howard on November 22, 2016, 04:02:02 PM
I minimize racists because they have no place at the table in a Trump administration or in the Republican Party. The opinions of the klan or Neo Nazis are not part of the public discourse and are mainly confined to a few corners of the Internet. To be honest, I didn't even know that racist groups have rebranded themselves as the alt-right. The first time I heard the term alt-right was from Milo. He's not exactly the poster boy for the klan, now is he? I don't really get hung up labels, but, if I had to pick one, it would be Libertarian not alt-right.



Good post and very fair.

Unless Trump picks the Grand Wizzard of the Klan for his cabinet, I think the racist charge is silly.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 22, 2016, 04:24:58 PM
Good post and very fair.

Unless Trump picks the Grand Wizzard of the Klan for his cabinet, I think the racist charge is silly.

It's a game the media is playing. Trump is a racist because he didn't denounce a group, that until recently, he didn't even know existed.

I believe it was Yamcha who originally posted this. It's a good example of Dem shills trying smear Republicans:

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: mazrim on November 22, 2016, 04:29:21 PM
And the democrats potentially want to put Keith Ellison as their chairman and they have the nerve to call anyone racist...
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 22, 2016, 04:35:00 PM
And the democrats potentially want to put Keith Ellison as their chairman and they have the nerve to call anyone racist...

Exactly. Both the Left and the Right have fringe elements, but the Left's have a place at the table. Which Republican Senator or Congressman would be his equivalent? There is none.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: tonymctones on November 22, 2016, 04:39:31 PM
After cancelling a sit down with the paper because he claimed the Times changed the terms of the sitdown (which they denied), he eventually showed up to deliver his latest rant. According to the times, when he was asked about whether or not he energized the alt-right movement, he replied  "It’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group.

Obviously, he will claim he was misquoted or change his mind within the next 24 hours, but why is this a group he's disavowing for a few convenient hours?  

He also says he doesn't feel strongly about wanting to prosecute Clinton. LBR, what he plans to do to the office will make Hillary Clinton look like a monk.
LOL is this what the butt hurt republicans looked like when Obama first go elected?

HAHAHAH I'll tell you what I told them Albert. There is plenty of shit to not like about him, why not focus on the real and serious things?
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 22, 2016, 04:53:53 PM
LOL is this what the butt hurt republicans looked like when Obama first go elected?

HAHAHAH I'll tell you what I told them Albert. There is plenty of shit to not like about him, why not focus on the real and serious things?

Apparently, the Dems plan to get back the white vote is to continually label them as racists/sexists/homophobes etc, and link them to racist groups with whom they have nothing in common other than skin pigmentation.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: tonymctones on November 22, 2016, 04:59:58 PM
Apparently, the Dems plan to get back the white vote is to continually label them as racists/sexists/homophobes etc, and link them to racist groups with whom they have nothing in common other than skin pigmentation.
Yup they simply are doubling down on the issues that caused people to vote for trump in the first place.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: polychronopolous on November 22, 2016, 05:06:16 PM
And the democrats potentially want to put Keith Ellison as their chairman and they have the nerve to call anyone racist...

Seen that guy on MSNBC. Wasn't every impressed.

Zero charisma. Zero mic skills. No real message. Seemed awkward and disingenuous. Relied on identify politics almost the entire time.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Howard on November 22, 2016, 05:08:57 PM
Apparently, the Dems plan to get back the white vote is to continually label them as racists/sexists/homophobes etc, and link them to racist groups with whom they have nothing in common other than skin pigmentation.
In recent years, the liberals gave voice and preference to these groups.
The avg citizen finally had enough and this election showed that.

I'm on the conservative side on these issues, but, I've always had doubts about Trump as a head of state.
Now, I'm cautiously optimistic and hope he does great.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 23, 2016, 05:38:30 AM
Apparently, the Dems plan to get back the white vote is to continually label them as racists/sexists/homophobes etc, and link them to racist groups with whom they have nothing in common other than skin pigmentation.


 ::)  You're trying to have it both ways. The alt right is just about nationalism and all the other stuff is just a smear tactic by the media, even though the president elect- who is clearly an alt right looney- doesn't even bother to differentiate between segments. And please don't try to tell me it's because he's afraid of being misunderstood or misquoted. And White House Chief Strategist isn't a seat at the table?? Even Glenn Beck called Bannon the new Goebbels. The funny thing is I'm not even saying the alt right movement is inherently racist. You are the one who felt the need to respond to my question to another poster and add the nonsense commentary about how the reputation of the altright was an imaginary media construct.  It's laughable the hoops you guys are jumping through trying to pretend there's not a clear connection between the alt right movement and hardcore racist movement.


That Tucker Carlson piece is absolute ridiculous trash. Carlson cherry picks lines and tries to pretend they are smear tactics. If you are writing about how someone is ideologically opposed to civil rights legislation, then it's completely reasonable to include that you are not claiming they would work to roll back civil rights legislation. If that line wasn't included then he'd be whining that the article implied Sessions was going to work to roll back civil rights legislation.
 
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 23, 2016, 06:24:08 AM
What the hell is Alt-right? 

Honestly this is another stupid nothing burger
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 23, 2016, 06:32:33 AM
What the hell is Alt-right?  

Honestly this is another stupid nothing burger

I actually researched it a bit. Some guy named Spencer, who apparently is a white nationalist, had taken the alt-right domain name. He has a tiny following of wack jobs. I had never heard of the guy.

The media has used this as an opportunity to attach Trump supporters to a fringe group, one which none of us even knew existed until very recently. As I said, my only exposure to the alt-right was a couple of Milo YouTubes. I didn't even know who Milo was until about a year ago. The nothing burger description is spot on.

There were initially 17 Republican candidates. Not one of them identified themself as alt-right.

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Yamcha on November 23, 2016, 06:54:54 AM
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Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: mazrim on November 23, 2016, 07:43:35 AM

 ::)  You're trying to have it both ways. The alt right is just about nationalism and all the other stuff is just a smear tactic by the media, even though the president elect- who is clearly an alt right looney- doesn't even bother to differentiate between segments. And please don't try to tell me it's because he's afraid of being misunderstood or misquoted. And White House Chief Strategist isn't a seat at the table?? Even Glenn Beck called Bannon the new Goebbels. The funny thing is I'm not even saying the alt right movement is inherently racist.

Prove Trump is a looney. Not one of you racists has done that yet.

Haha, using Glenn Beck is laughable.



Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 23, 2016, 07:50:49 AM
Prove Trump is a looney. Not one of you racists has done that yet.

Haha, using Glenn Beck is laughable.



What they're doing is out the "Rules for Radicals" playbook. You keep coming up with shit to throw as a way to keep your opponent off balance and on defense. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant. It works for awhile but you eventually become "The Boy who cried Wolf." That's what happened in the Election. The media kept labeling Trump as madman, racist, sexist etc., and the public just stopped buying it.

This is essentially their only tactic. So, expect it to continue.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 23, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
I actually researched it a bit. Some guy named Spencer, who apparently is a white nationalist, had taken the alt-right domain name. He has a tiny following of wack jobs. I had never heard of the guy.

The media has used this as an opportunity to attach Trump supporters to a fringe group, one which none of us even knew existed until very recently. As I said, my only exposure to the alt-right was a couple of Milo YouTubes. I didn't even know who Milo was until about a year ago. The nothing burger description is spot on.

There were initially 17 Republican candidates. Not one of them identified themself as alt-right.





So, you've gone from defending the term against the left's evil smear jobs to just hearing somebody use it a year ago and not being sure it even exists? Steve Bannon is one of the most powerful members of the incoming administration and has defended it, supported it, given it a voice, attempted to minimize its overt racist aspects and empathized with it philosophically.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Erik C on November 23, 2016, 11:17:28 AM
I support the Alt Right, over the Left Wrong.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Yamcha on November 23, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Let's stop confusing the Alt Right with White Nationalists.

One likes dank memes, MAGA hats, and Donald Trump's anti-PC culture

The other are Neo-Nazis. That Spencer douche is not part of the Alt Right; I haven't even heard of him until like 2 days ago. SAD!
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 23, 2016, 11:57:34 AM
Let's stop confusing the Alt Right with White Nationalists.

One likes dank memes, MAGA hats, and Donald Trump's anti-PC culture

The other are Neo-Nazis. That Spencer douche is not part of the Alt Right; I haven't even heard of him until like 2 days ago. SAD!

No one had heard of the guy, and, in a week, when this stupidity blows over, and the Libtards move on to their next infantile assertion, he'll return back to obscurity.

Another Allinsky rule is to move on to something else and not let stories go stale.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/09/10/lefts-playbook-satanist-saul-alinskys-13-rules-political-warfare/
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 23, 2016, 12:36:08 PM
Let's stop confusing the Alt Right with White Nationalists.

One likes dank memes, MAGA hats, and Donald Trump's anti-PC culture

The other are Neo-Nazis. That Spencer douche is not part of the Alt Right; I haven't even heard of him until like 2 days ago. SAD!

So, the alt right may or may not exist depending on how convenient it is at any particular moment.  And racists who claim they are a part of it actually aren't as long as it's convenient for your argument. And president elects who disavow it actually are big supporters as long as it's convenient for your argument.     ::)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Erik C on November 23, 2016, 12:44:47 PM
So, the alt right may or may not exist depending on how convenient it is at any particular moment.  And racists who claim they are a part of it actually aren't as long as it's convenient for your argument. And president elects who disavow it actually are big supporters as long as it's convenient for your argument.     ::)

Why is it always OK for racist negroes, to condemn White racists?
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Dos Equis on November 23, 2016, 01:54:21 PM
This is friggin stupid.  It's similar to the folks who try and say the handful of idiots in the Westboro Baptist Church represent mainstream Christianity. 
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: tonymctones on November 23, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
So, the alt right may or may not exist depending on how convenient it is at any particular moment.  And racists who claim they are a part of it actually aren't as long as it's convenient for your argument. And president elects who disavow it actually are big supporters as long as it's convenient for your argument.     ::)
Haha the "alt right" something I never heard until trump won the election is a small fringe group. I think the convention that they had was under 300 people.

The reason you continue to hear and you and other continue to push it is it fits your narrative of trump supporters and why he got elected. Its the same reason that you conflate illegal immigration with General immigration and call anyone against it a racist. It's the same reason you say anyone who is in favor of extra scrutiny for those who are from certain countries or fit a certain profile is labeled a racist or xenophobic. It's the same reason that people who are against transgendered people using an opposite sex bathroom are labeled homophobic.

It fits your narrative that anyone who voted for him is one of the "deplorables". You can't wrap your head around the idea that some people just have different priorities than you or have different world views.

It's the same reason that Hilary and the dems got smashed in the elections.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 23, 2016, 06:02:36 PM
Haha the "alt right" something I never heard until trump won the election is a small fringe group. I think the convention that they had was under 300 people.

The reason you continue to hear and you and other continue to push it is it fits your narrative of trump supporters and why he got elected. Its the same reason that you conflate illegal immigration with General immigration and call anyone against it a racist. It's the same reason you say anyone who is in favor of extra scrutiny for those who are from certain countries or fit a certain profile is labeled a racist or xenophobic. It's the same reason that people who are against transgendered people using an opposite sex bathroom are labeled homophobic.

It fits your narrative that anyone who voted for him is one of the "deplorables". You can't wrap your head around the idea that some people just have different priorities than you or have different world views.

It's the same reason that Hilary and the dems got smashed in the elections.

Top notch post 8)

Al is just regurgitating Left wing talking points, just like his Autism thread. Rosie O'Donnell tweeted about it too, a few days ago.


http://ambitjournal.com/2016/11/23/rosie-odonnell-tweets-barron-trump-possibly-autistic-low-blow-towards-innocent-child
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Dos Equis on November 23, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Haha the "alt right" something I never heard until trump won the election is a small fringe group. I think the convention that they had was under 300 people.

The reason you continue to hear and you and other continue to push it is it fits your narrative of trump supporters and why he got elected. Its the same reason that you conflate illegal immigration with General immigration and call anyone against it a racist. It's the same reason you say anyone who is in favor of extra scrutiny for those who are from certain countries or fit a certain profile is labeled a racist or xenophobic. It's the same reason that people who are against transgendered people using an opposite sex bathroom are labeled homophobic.

It fits your narrative that anyone who voted for him is one of the "deplorables". You can't wrap your head around the idea that some people just have different priorities than you or have different world views.

It's the same reason that Hilary and the dems got smashed in the elections.

Well said.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 23, 2016, 06:37:49 PM
Top notch post 8)

Al is just regurgitating Left wing talking points, just like his Autism thread. Rosie O'Donnell tweeted about it too, a few days ago.


He's talking about Fringe groups: the klan, and neo-nazis, not the Breitbart alt-right.

Why would he disavow the latter and at the same time hire Steve Bannon?

Just more MSM dishonesty.




The current tactic of the Left is to label the Alt-Right as a racist, nationalist movement, when, as Milo put it beautifully, it's about values and ideals.




Yeah, I'm the one mindlessly regurgitating talking points.  ::)  Like I said, whatever is convenient.  ;)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 24, 2016, 04:00:55 AM
I actually do like continuously bringing this up and expect to do so many times going forward:

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 25, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
I actually do like continuously bringing this up and expect to do so many times going forward:



Yeah, and meanwhile let's not ignore this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html

Quote
the last election confounded expectations. Democrats received 1.4 million more votes for the House of Representatives, yet Republicans won control of the House by a 234 to 201 margin. This is only the second such reversal since World War II.

You would expect seat losses from a two term president, especially a democrat, but let's try to stick to reality. The extremism of those numbers has more to do with some of the most extensive Republican gerrymandering in American history.

Feel free to find four different ways to explain it that all contradict your original post, though.  ::)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
I actually do like continuously bringing this up and expect to do so many times going forward:

Most (perhaps all) of this is due to the not so secret gerrymandering by Republicans and yes, you can blame Dems for not being aware of this as it was happening.  There were many states where Dems representatives (over all) won the majority of the votes but lost all the specific races due to gerrymandered districts

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26889647-ratf-ked

The GOP is proud and has no problem admitting this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gop-redmap-memo-gerrymandering_n_2498913.html
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2016, 10:32:08 AM
"We're the platform for the alt-right,"  says Steven Bannon

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Bannon dismisses the alt-right's appeal to racists as happenstance. "Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe," he says. "Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that's just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements."

Just because their "message" appeals to white nationalist, anti-semites and homophobes doesn't necessary mean they are racists

It's just happenstance....you know their racist, bigoted fearmongering just happens to appeal to racists and bigots

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

Apparently we've all forgotten that "darkness is good" and we've just misunderstood Bannon and the Alt-Right just like we misunderstood that Satan and Darth Vader are evil

Quote
"Darkness is good," Bannon told the publication.

He added: "Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing."

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-donald-trump-satan-darth-vader-2016-11
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 25, 2016, 11:14:16 AM
Most (perhaps all) of this is due to the not so secret gerrymandering by Republicans and yes, you can blame Dems for not being aware of this as it was happening.  There were many states where Dems representatives (over all) won the majority of the votes but lost all the specific races due to gerrymandered districts

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26889647-ratf-ked

The GOP is proud and has no problem admitting this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gop-redmap-memo-gerrymandering_n_2498913.html

Well, why should we doubt the validity of a Huffington Post claim?

You don't seem to get it. This is a center right country. From 2008-2010, the public got a good look at the hard Left, and, like most decent people, were repelled.  

We don't give a fuck what you and Al think because we want nothing to do with you.

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Erik C on November 25, 2016, 11:20:45 AM
Doggity, Straw, and all the other leftist whiners, how do you not see what filthy, disgusting, excuses for human beings, you all are? LMFAO!
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 26, 2016, 07:49:33 AM
Doggity, Straw, and all the other leftist whiners, how do you not see what filthy, disgusting, excuses for human beings, you all are? LMFAO!

Can you believe he would still link Huffpo as if the twunts there have the slightest shred of credibility?


HuffPost Forecasts Hillary Clinton Will Win With 323 Electoral Votes | The Huffington Post

Democrats stand a strong chance of taking control of the Senate as well.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5821074ce4b0e80b02cc2a94
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 02:18:50 PM
Well, why should we doubt the validity of a Huffington Post claim?

You don't seem to get it.
This is a center right country. From 2008-2010, the public got a good look at the hard Left, and, like most decent people, were repelled.  

We don't give a fuck what you and Al think because we want nothing to do with you.



That's because there's nothing to get. The republican candidate didn't win the popular vote and the republican wave was largely the result of aggressive gerrymandering. That's not debatable and that's not a sign of a massive ideological shift in the country. The country is pretty evenly split and the party in control flips back and forth pretty consistently. You can be glad the candidate you supported won, but if Hillary won the way Trump did, he would be screaming about it everywhere until the end of time.

Oh, yeah... and I see you over there trying to pretend that  Trump wasn't a pariah among pretty much every major conservative figure during his campaign.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: polychronopolous on November 26, 2016, 02:32:48 PM
That's because there's nothing to get. The republican candidate didn't win the popular vote and the republican wave was largely the result of aggressive gerrymandering. That's not debatable and that's not a sign of a massive ideological shift in the country. The country is pretty evenly split and the party in control flips back and forth pretty consistently. You can be glad the candidate you supported won, but if Hillary won the way Trump did, he would be screaming about it everywhere until the end of time.

Oh, yeah... and I see you over there trying to pretend that  Trump wasn't a pariah among pretty much every major conservative figure during his campaign.  ::) ::)

Why does that bother you?

Nobody cares that Trump was a pariah among those types of people.

Come aboard the anti-establishment movement with the rest of us.

We welcome you...there is plenty of room.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 02:45:06 PM
Why does that bother you?

Nobody cares that Trump was a pariah among those types of people.

Come aboard the anti-establishment movement with the rest of us.

We welcome you...there is plenty of room.

It doesn't bother me, but I am responding to someone who was trying to make the argument that the last election cycle was driven by an ideological shift in the country.  That's not the case. What you said is more accurate. Like Obama's election, it was about a candidate whose supporters believed wouldn't be a typical politician. (Whether or not that turns out to be true remains to be seen.)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 06:57:47 PM
BTW, no need to save me a seat on the Trump train. Even if Trump turns out to be an effective president, he will still be doing a lot of shit I don't want. I don't want to see the supreme court move to the right, I don't think trickle down is a good economic strategy, I think he knows less about foreign affairs than I do, I think he probably doesn't even think the criminal justice system needs to be reformed which is even worse than pretending it's a priority yet completely ignoring it (from my viewpoint) and I could go on and on. But realistically, I suspect he might not be that effective.This is coming from someone who has grown increasingly impressed by how Trump's campaign was run reading about it in the aftermath.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: polychronopolous on November 26, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
BTW, no need to save me a seat on the Trump train. Even if Trump turns out to be an effective president, he will still be doing a lot of shit I don't want. I don't want to see the supreme court move to the right, I don't think trickle down is a good economic strategy, I think he knows less about foreign affairs than I do, I think he probably doesn't even think the criminal justice system needs to be reformed which is even worse than pretending it's a priority yet completely ignoring it (from my viewpoint) and I could go on and on. But realistically, I suspect he might not be that effective.This is coming from someone who has grown increasingly impressed by how Trump's campaign was run reading about it in the aftermath.

Why?

Trump has already waved the LBGTQ flag in solidarity and has said he will leave all abortion issues up to the states.

The days of the Republican Party neglecting the Gay Community are over. Good Riddance.

It's the Democrat Party that is in disarray and has no real plans besides the old tired playbook of identity politics with no real solutions.

The Republican Party is changing. A much needed change.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MIfJqL-0DK0/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 08:32:34 PM
Has he expressed solidarity with LGBTQ community? Even in his post-election interview with 60 minutes, didn't he say he was still opposed to gay marriage? That's not exactly solidarity.On top of that, his vp is one of the most vocally anti-gay politicians on the scene.
It's increasingly looking like Pence is gonna be the most influential vice president in modern history. Between Pence and Bannon, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're calling this a puppet regime 3 years from now. I think even you alluded to that sort of being the case (or maybe it was someone else ?), but the take was more favorable.


Once again, in that 60 minutes interview didn't he say he was adamantly anti-abortion? As for not being worried about the states taking the lead, look at what's already happening (TRIGGER WARNING! MAINSTREAM MEDIA USED AS SOURCE!):

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: polychronopolous on November 26, 2016, 08:40:16 PM
Has he expressed solidarity with LGBTQ community? Even in his post-election interview with 60 minutes, didn't he say he was still opposed to gay marriage? That's not exactly solidarity.On top of that, his vp is one of the most vocally anti-gay politicians on the scene.
It's increasingly looking like Pence is gonna be the most influential vice president in modern history. Between Pence and Bannon, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're calling this a puppet regime 3 years from now. I think even you alluded to that sort of being the case (or maybe it was someone else ?), but the take was more favorable.


Once again, in that 60 minutes interview didn't he say he was adamantly anti-abortion? As for not being worried about the states taking the lead, look at what's already happening (TRIGGER WARNING! MAINSTREAM MEDIA USED AS SOURCE!):



That smug, condescending yellow tooth limey cock sucker was wrong for months now and I was right.

The RESULTS speak for themselves....My opinion and viewpoint is much more valid than his.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
That smug, condescending yellow tooth limey cock sucker was wrong for months now and I was right.

The RESULTS speak for themselves....My opinion and viewpoint is much more valid than his.

The video is about how states (under republican leadership) are regulating and legislating abortion clinics out of business under the guise of safety. Correctly predicting who would win the election doesn't make your viewpoint more valid.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: polychronopolous on November 26, 2016, 08:54:04 PM
The video is about how states (under republican leadership) are regulating and legislating abortion clinics out of business under the guise of safety. Correctly predicting who would win the election doesn't make your viewpoint more valid.

Yes it does.

The guy speaking in the video is a complete ass clown and a youtube punch line.

You want to act like a silly like jerk off and be dead ass wrong on your political predictions...prepare to face the consequences.

If you want to take refuge in snake oil salesman like this who simply prey upon confused young folks like yourself, go ahead...it's not going to change the fact that the Dems are going to get their asses handed to them in '18.

I tried to talk to you like a civilized human being but evidently that isn't enough for you.... phony, shiny objects are more along your line of interest.

I need to be more steadfast in not addressing leftist morons on this sub-forum. I really had a good streak going before overextending myself.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 09:34:09 PM
Wow. That post of all posts was the one that caused you to snap?   :-\

Haha, it's funny... when you replied earlier this evening, I was wondering how long you were gonna be able to pretend you didn't want to respond like a psycho. I was thinking weeks, like possibly until the inauguration, since I only post a few times a day, if that. I didn't think it would be a few hours. Once again, I tried to keep it cool.  8)  I guess I have a new member in my fan club. You and Elizabeth can dm each other and workshop some new Kai Green fan fic.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: tonymctones on November 26, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
BTW, no need to save me a seat on the Trump train. Even if Trump turns out to be an effective president, he will still be doing a lot of shit I don't want. I don't want to see the supreme court move to the right, I don't think trickle down is a good economic strategy, I think he knows less about foreign affairs than I do, I think he probably doesn't even think the criminal justice system needs to be reformed which is even worse than pretending it's a priority yet completely ignoring it (from my viewpoint) and I could go on and on. But realistically, I suspect he might not be that effective.This is coming from someone who has grown increasingly impressed by how Trump's campaign was run reading about it in the aftermath.
This is understandable, you have different priorities than others. Hopefully you understand the extent to how many people may have different priorities to you though after this election.

Perhaps you will stop conflating illegal immigration with immigration, stop thinking those that are in favor of extra scrutiny of people from certain regions are xenophobic or racists and that people who are against transgendered people using opposite sex bathrooms are homophobic.

The reality is that the big bad boogie man you're painting of his supporters is simply not true, its a small part of people who supported him. The majority were good, hard working and honest people who just have different priorities than you do.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 09:38:38 PM
.The reality is that the big bad boogie man you're painting of his supporters is simply not true, its a small part of people who supported him. The majority were good, hard working and honest people who just have different priorities than you do.

Where did I do this? Where did I attempt to paint his supporters as big, bad boogie men? Where did I do anything you listed in that post?  ???
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 26, 2016, 10:03:50 PM
The answer is: NOWHERE! I didn't post anything that falls under what you described. The post you quoted from me doesn't say anything about that stuff.

More importantly, if I had posted that stuff, what logic are you using that makes you think that because a slightly larger percentage of people voted a certain way, my values and opinions should change? If Hillary had won, would you suddenly  be for transgendered bathrooms and consider Donald Trump supporters racist?
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: tonymctones on November 27, 2016, 07:16:20 AM
Where did I do this? Where did I attempt to paint his supporters as big, bad boogie men? Where did I do anything you listed in that post?  ???
How many threads have you posted about the "alt right"? LOL you know and I know that the "alt right" is a very small fraction of people who supported trump. The reason you keep bringing them up is b/c you want to paint his supporters as racist.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 27, 2016, 07:57:07 AM
How many threads have you posted about the "alt right"? LOL you know and I know that the "alt right" is a very small fraction of people who supported trump. The reason you keep bringing them up is b/c you want to paint his supporters as racist.

You see, Al and his ilk lack a self-awareness gene. This prevents them from accepting things that are painfully obvious to those who don't have this defect.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 27, 2016, 08:56:41 AM
When most hear alt-right, they think of racists.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Yamcha on November 27, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
It's REALLY hard not to be seen as a racist these days if you are a straight, white male.

(https://i.sli.mg/KFZrfN.jpg)

Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Al Doggity on November 27, 2016, 03:13:40 PM
How many threads have you posted about the "alt right"? LOL you know and I know that the "alt right" is a very small fraction of people who supported trump. The reason you keep bringing them up is b/c you want to paint his supporters as racist.

I have posted about the alt right in exactly one other thread  ::) This thread  was in response to Elizabeth's stupid kneejerk defense of the alt right which she would later attempt to simultaneously walkback and continue to espouse.


Meanwhile, my entire previous post still stands. None of what you have claimed applies to any of my posts and, even if it did, what kind of twisted logic makes you think a voter majority makes someone think a policy is suddenly good? Idiot.  ::)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 27, 2016, 06:00:46 PM
It's REALLY hard not to be seen as a racist these days if you are a straight, white male.

(https://i.sli.mg/KFZrfN.jpg)



What news is that headline from? I think it's pretty silly.
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Yamcha on November 28, 2016, 03:09:51 AM
What news is that headline from? I think it's pretty silly.

Take a wild guess

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/aeman-ansari/ethnic-safe-spaces_b_6897176.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/aeman-ansari/ethnic-safe-spaces_b_6897176.html)

(http://www.louhew.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/HUFF-POST-519x410.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 28, 2016, 03:20:53 AM
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