Trump to NY Times: I don’t want to energize the alt right and I disavow them

[Erik C]

I support the Alt Right, over the Left Wrong.

[Yamcha]

Let's stop confusing the Alt Right with White Nationalists.

One likes dank memes, MAGA hats, and Donald Trump's anti-PC culture

The other are Neo-Nazis. That Spencer douche is not part of the Alt Right; I haven't even heard of him until like 2 days ago. SAD!

[Thin Lizzy]

Let's stop confusing the Alt Right with White Nationalists.

One likes dank memes, MAGA hats, and Donald Trump's anti-PC culture

The other are Neo-Nazis. That Spencer douche is not part of the Alt Right; I haven't even heard of him until like 2 days ago. SAD!

No one had heard of the guy, and, in a week, when this stupidity blows over, and the Libtards move on to their next infantile assertion, he'll return back to obscurity.

Another Allinsky rule is to move on to something else and not let stories go stale.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/09/10/lefts-playbook-satanist-saul-alinskys-13-rules-political-warfare/

[Al Doggity]

Let's stop confusing the Alt Right with White Nationalists.

One likes dank memes, MAGA hats, and Donald Trump's anti-PC culture

The other are Neo-Nazis. That Spencer douche is not part of the Alt Right; I haven't even heard of him until like 2 days ago. SAD!

So, the alt right may or may not exist depending on how convenient it is at any particular moment.  And racists who claim they are a part of it actually aren't as long as it's convenient for your argument. And president elects who disavow it actually are big supporters as long as it's convenient for your argument.     

[Erik C]

So, the alt right may or may not exist depending on how convenient it is at any particular moment.  And racists who claim they are a part of it actually aren't as long as it's convenient for your argument. And president elects who disavow it actually are big supporters as long as it's convenient for your argument.     

Why is it always OK for racist negroes, to condemn White racists?

[Dos Equis]

This is friggin stupid.  It's similar to the folks who try and say the handful of idiots in the Westboro Baptist Church represent mainstream Christianity. 

[tonymctones]

So, the alt right may or may not exist depending on how convenient it is at any particular moment.  And racists who claim they are a part of it actually aren't as long as it's convenient for your argument. And president elects who disavow it actually are big supporters as long as it's convenient for your argument.     

Haha the "alt right" something I never heard until trump won the election is a small fringe group. I think the convention that they had was under 300 people.

The reason you continue to hear and you and other continue to push it is it fits your narrative of trump supporters and why he got elected. Its the same reason that you conflate illegal immigration with General immigration and call anyone against it a racist. It's the same reason you say anyone who is in favor of extra scrutiny for those who are from certain countries or fit a certain profile is labeled a racist or xenophobic. It's the same reason that people who are against transgendered people using an opposite sex bathroom are labeled homophobic.

It fits your narrative that anyone who voted for him is one of the "deplorables". You can't wrap your head around the idea that some people just have different priorities than you or have different world views.

It's the same reason that Hilary and the dems got smashed in the elections.

[Thin Lizzy]

Haha the "alt right" something I never heard until trump won the election is a small fringe group. I think the convention that they had was under 300 people.

The reason you continue to hear and you and other continue to push it is it fits your narrative of trump supporters and why he got elected. Its the same reason that you conflate illegal immigration with General immigration and call anyone against it a racist. It's the same reason you say anyone who is in favor of extra scrutiny for those who are from certain countries or fit a certain profile is labeled a racist or xenophobic. It's the same reason that people who are against transgendered people using an opposite sex bathroom are labeled homophobic.

It fits your narrative that anyone who voted for him is one of the "deplorables". You can't wrap your head around the idea that some people just have different priorities than you or have different world views.

It's the same reason that Hilary and the dems got smashed in the elections.

Top notch post

Al is just regurgitating Left wing talking points, just like his Autism thread. Rosie O'Donnell tweeted about it too, a few days ago.


http://ambitjournal.com/2016/11/23/rosie-odonnell-tweets-barron-trump-possibly-autistic-low-blow-towards-innocent-child

[Dos Equis]

Haha the "alt right" something I never heard until trump won the election is a small fringe group. I think the convention that they had was under 300 people.

The reason you continue to hear and you and other continue to push it is it fits your narrative of trump supporters and why he got elected. Its the same reason that you conflate illegal immigration with General immigration and call anyone against it a racist. It's the same reason you say anyone who is in favor of extra scrutiny for those who are from certain countries or fit a certain profile is labeled a racist or xenophobic. It's the same reason that people who are against transgendered people using an opposite sex bathroom are labeled homophobic.

It fits your narrative that anyone who voted for him is one of the "deplorables". You can't wrap your head around the idea that some people just have different priorities than you or have different world views.

It's the same reason that Hilary and the dems got smashed in the elections.

Well said.

[Al Doggity]

Top notch post

Al is just regurgitating Left wing talking points, just like his Autism thread. Rosie O'Donnell tweeted about it too, a few days ago.

He's talking about Fringe groups: the klan, and neo-nazis, not the Breitbart alt-right.

Why would he disavow the latter and at the same time hire Steve Bannon?

Just more MSM dishonesty.

The current tactic of the Left is to label the Alt-Right as a racist, nationalist movement, when, as Milo put it beautifully, it's about values and ideals.

Yeah, I'm the one mindlessly regurgitating talking points.    Like I said, whatever is convenient. 

[Thin Lizzy]

I actually do like continuously bringing this up and expect to do so many times going forward:

[Al Doggity]

I actually do like continuously bringing this up and expect to do so many times going forward:

Yeah, and meanwhile let's not ignore this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html

the last election confounded expectations. Democrats received 1.4 million more votes for the House of Representatives, yet Republicans won control of the House by a 234 to 201 margin. This is only the second such reversal since World War II.

You would expect seat losses from a two term president, especially a democrat, but let's try to stick to reality. The extremism of those numbers has more to do with some of the most extensive Republican gerrymandering in American history.

Feel free to find four different ways to explain it that all contradict your original post, though.  

[Straw Man]

I actually do like continuously bringing this up and expect to do so many times going forward:

Most (perhaps all) of this is due to the not so secret gerrymandering by Republicans and yes, you can blame Dems for not being aware of this as it was happening.  There were many states where Dems representatives (over all) won the majority of the votes but lost all the specific races due to gerrymandered districts

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26889647-ratf-ked

The GOP is proud and has no problem admitting this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gop-redmap-memo-gerrymandering_n_2498913.html

[Straw Man]

"We're the platform for the alt-right,"  says Steven Bannon

Bannon dismisses the alt-right's appeal to racists as happenstance. "Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe," he says. "Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that's just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements."

Just because their "message" appeals to white nationalist, anti-semites and homophobes doesn't necessary mean they are racists

It's just happenstance....you know their racist, bigoted fearmongering just happens to appeal to racists and bigots

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

Apparently we've all forgotten that "darkness is good" and we've just misunderstood Bannon and the Alt-Right just like we misunderstood that Satan and Darth Vader are evil

"Darkness is good," Bannon told the publication.

He added: "Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing."

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-donald-trump-satan-darth-vader-2016-11

[Thin Lizzy]

Most (perhaps all) of this is due to the not so secret gerrymandering by Republicans and yes, you can blame Dems for not being aware of this as it was happening.  There were many states where Dems representatives (over all) won the majority of the votes but lost all the specific races due to gerrymandered districts

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26889647-ratf-ked

The GOP is proud and has no problem admitting this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gop-redmap-memo-gerrymandering_n_2498913.html

Well, why should we doubt the validity of a Huffington Post claim?

You don't seem to get it. This is a center right country. From 2008-2010, the public got a good look at the hard Left, and, like most decent people, were repelled.  

We don't give a fuck what you and Al think because we want nothing to do with you.

[Erik C]

Doggity, Straw, and all the other leftist whiners, how do you not see what filthy, disgusting, excuses for human beings, you all are? LMFAO!

[Thin Lizzy]

Doggity, Straw, and all the other leftist whiners, how do you not see what filthy, disgusting, excuses for human beings, you all are? LMFAO!

Can you believe he would still link Huffpo as if the twunts there have the slightest shred of credibility?


HuffPost Forecasts Hillary Clinton Will Win With 323 Electoral Votes | The Huffington Post

Democrats stand a strong chance of taking control of the Senate as well.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5821074ce4b0e80b02cc2a94

[Al Doggity]

Well, why should we doubt the validity of a Huffington Post claim?

You don't seem to get it. This is a center right country. From 2008-2010, the public got a good look at the hard Left, and, like most decent people, were repelled.  

We don't give a fuck what you and Al think because we want nothing to do with you.

That's because there's nothing to get. The republican candidate didn't win the popular vote and the republican wave was largely the result of aggressive gerrymandering. That's not debatable and that's not a sign of a massive ideological shift in the country. The country is pretty evenly split and the party in control flips back and forth pretty consistently. You can be glad the candidate you supported won, but if Hillary won the way Trump did, he would be screaming about it everywhere until the end of time.

Oh, yeah... and I see you over there trying to pretend that  Trump wasn't a pariah among pretty much every major conservative figure during his campaign. 

[polychronopolous]

That's because there's nothing to get. The republican candidate didn't win the popular vote and the republican wave was largely the result of aggressive gerrymandering. That's not debatable and that's not a sign of a massive ideological shift in the country. The country is pretty evenly split and the party in control flips back and forth pretty consistently. You can be glad the candidate you supported won, but if Hillary won the way Trump did, he would be screaming about it everywhere until the end of time.

Oh, yeah... and I see you over there trying to pretend that  Trump wasn't a pariah among pretty much every major conservative figure during his campaign. 

Why does that bother you?

Nobody cares that Trump was a pariah among those types of people.

Come aboard the anti-establishment movement with the rest of us.

We welcome you...there is plenty of room.

[Al Doggity]

Why does that bother you?

Nobody cares that Trump was a pariah among those types of people.

Come aboard the anti-establishment movement with the rest of us.

We welcome you...there is plenty of room.

It doesn't bother me, but I am responding to someone who was trying to make the argument that the last election cycle was driven by an ideological shift in the country.  That's not the case. What you said is more accurate. Like Obama's election, it was about a candidate whose supporters believed wouldn't be a typical politician. (Whether or not that turns out to be true remains to be seen.)

[Al Doggity]

BTW, no need to save me a seat on the Trump train. Even if Trump turns out to be an effective president, he will still be doing a lot of shit I don't want. I don't want to see the supreme court move to the right, I don't think trickle down is a good economic strategy, I think he knows less about foreign affairs than I do, I think he probably doesn't even think the criminal justice system needs to be reformed which is even worse than pretending it's a priority yet completely ignoring it (from my viewpoint) and I could go on and on. But realistically, I suspect he might not be that effective.This is coming from someone who has grown increasingly impressed by how Trump's campaign was run reading about it in the aftermath.

[polychronopolous]

BTW, no need to save me a seat on the Trump train. Even if Trump turns out to be an effective president, he will still be doing a lot of shit I don't want. I don't want to see the supreme court move to the right, I don't think trickle down is a good economic strategy, I think he knows less about foreign affairs than I do, I think he probably doesn't even think the criminal justice system needs to be reformed which is even worse than pretending it's a priority yet completely ignoring it (from my viewpoint) and I could go on and on. But realistically, I suspect he might not be that effective.This is coming from someone who has grown increasingly impressed by how Trump's campaign was run reading about it in the aftermath.

Why?

Trump has already waved the LBGTQ flag in solidarity and has said he will leave all abortion issues up to the states.

The days of the Republican Party neglecting the Gay Community are over. Good Riddance.

It's the Democrat Party that is in disarray and has no real plans besides the old tired playbook of identity politics with no real solutions.

The Republican Party is changing. A much needed change.

[Al Doggity]

Has he expressed solidarity with LGBTQ community? Even in his post-election interview with 60 minutes, didn't he say he was still opposed to gay marriage? That's not exactly solidarity.On top of that, his vp is one of the most vocally anti-gay politicians on the scene.
It's increasingly looking like Pence is gonna be the most influential vice president in modern history. Between Pence and Bannon, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're calling this a puppet regime 3 years from now. I think even you alluded to that sort of being the case (or maybe it was someone else ?), but the take was more favorable.


Once again, in that 60 minutes interview didn't he say he was adamantly anti-abortion? As for not being worried about the states taking the lead, look at what's already happening (TRIGGER WARNING! MAINSTREAM MEDIA USED AS SOURCE!):

[polychronopolous]

Has he expressed solidarity with LGBTQ community? Even in his post-election interview with 60 minutes, didn't he say he was still opposed to gay marriage? That's not exactly solidarity.On top of that, his vp is one of the most vocally anti-gay politicians on the scene.
It's increasingly looking like Pence is gonna be the most influential vice president in modern history. Between Pence and Bannon, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're calling this a puppet regime 3 years from now. I think even you alluded to that sort of being the case (or maybe it was someone else ?), but the take was more favorable.


Once again, in that 60 minutes interview didn't he say he was adamantly anti-abortion? As for not being worried about the states taking the lead, look at what's already happening (TRIGGER WARNING! MAINSTREAM MEDIA USED AS SOURCE!):

That smug, condescending yellow tooth limey cock sucker was wrong for months now and I was right.

The RESULTS speak for themselves....My opinion and viewpoint is much more valid than his.

[Al Doggity]

That smug, condescending yellow tooth limey cock sucker was wrong for months now and I was right.

The RESULTS speak for themselves....My opinion and viewpoint is much more valid than his.

The video is about how states (under republican leadership) are regulating and legislating abortion clinics out of business under the guise of safety. Correctly predicting who would win the election doesn't make your viewpoint more valid.