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Every time I hear a liberal pundit talk about the election they mention the popular vote. Several problems with this, including:
1. This was not a popular vote contest. It was a electoral vote contest. It's sort of like mentioning who got more yards or had more time of possession rather than looking at the scoreboard.
2. Clinton leads the popular vote by about 2.8 million votes. The context is this: Clinton received 3.4 million more votes than Trump in California and 1.5 million more votes than Trump in New York. That’s a total spread of about 4.9 million votes from only two states. In fact, her entire spread is accounted for California alone. Trump did not really campaign in either California or New York, because he knew he was going to lose those states and didn’t need them to win the election.
3. The Electoral College prevents a handful of states from deciding a national election. Keep this in mind when people talk about the popular vote.
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GWB lost popvote 2000, but won election.
GWB voted for Hillary.
Payback.
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IMO that's what everyone needs to know: W voted for Hillary.
'nuff said!!
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Every time I hear a liberal pundit talk about the election they mention the popular vote. Several problems with this, including:
1. This was not a popular vote contest. It was a electoral vote contest. It's sort of like mentioning who got more yards or had more time of possession rather than looking at the scoreboard.
2. Clinton leads the popular vote by about 2.8 million votes. The context is this: Clinton received 3.4 million more votes than Trump in California and 1.5 million more votes than Trump in New York. That’s a total spread of about 4.9 million votes from only two states. In fact, her entire spread is accounted for California alone. Trump did not really campaign in either California or New York, because he knew he was going to lose those states and didn’t need them to win the election.
3. The Electoral College prevents a handful of states from deciding a national election. Keep this in mind when people talk about the popular vote.
I openly voted for Hillary but I've always said Trump won a clear victory in the electoral college where it counts.
Plenty of people like to put the best spin on a loss, especially in politics.
After debates, they even have the infamous "spin room" where every candidate magically won the debate LOL.
I often wonder how the Trump side would have behaved had the situation been reversed?
Imagine if Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.
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I openly voted for Hillary but I've always said Trump won a clear victory in the electoral college where it counts.
Plenty of people like to put the best spin on a loss, especially in politics.
After debates, they even have the infamous "spin room" where every candidate magically won the debate LOL.
I often wonder how the Trump side would have behaved had the situation been reversed?
Imagine if Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.
Hard to imagine that, but yeah.
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I openly voted for Hillary but I've always said Trump won a clear victory in the electoral college where it counts.
Plenty of people like to put the best spin on a loss, especially in politics.
After debates, they even have the infamous "spin room" where every candidate magically won the debate LOL.
I often wonder how the Trump side would have behaved had the situation been reversed?
Imagine if Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.
He would of not done anything, he could of however used dozens of other legitimate ways to legally challenge his loss.
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He would of not done anything, he could of however used dozens of other legitimate ways to legally challenge his loss.
See, that's exactly what the problem is.
If the other side wins a clear victory according to the rules, you graciously concede.
Now we live in a culture and climate that only wants to accept the results when they win.
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Final tally shows Trump lost popular vote by 2.8 million –
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html#ixzz4TV0pKX00
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Every time I hear a liberal pundit talk about the election they mention the popular vote. Several problems with this, including:
1. This was not a popular vote contest. It was a electoral vote contest. It's sort of like mentioning who got more yards or had more time of possession rather than looking at the scoreboard.
2. Clinton leads the popular vote by about 2.8 million votes. The context is this: Clinton received 3.4 million more votes than Trump in California and 1.5 million more votes than Trump in New York. That’s a total spread of about 4.9 million votes from only two states. In fact, her entire spread is accounted for California alone. Trump did not really campaign in either California or New York, because he knew he was going to lose those states and didn’t need them to win the election.
3. The Electoral College prevents a handful of states from deciding a national election. Keep this in mind when people talk about the popular vote.
Great points.
I am far more optimistic for Trump's presidency than i would be for Hillarys. I would think most people who didn't vote for either feel that way.
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See, that's exactly what the problem is.
If the other side wins a clear victory according to the rules, you graciously concede.
Now we live in a culture and climate that only wants to accept the results when they win.
Winners write history. Whiners try to re-write it.
Libtards are disgusting.
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Winners write history. Whiners try to re-write it.
Libtards are disgusting.
I agree, so I trust you'll join me in a "dignity pledge".
In all future elections we'll accept the result and try to promote civility within political discourse.
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Great points.
I am far more optimistic for Trump's presidency than i would be for Hillarys. I would think most people who didn't vote for either feel that way.
Thanks. I'm a lot more optimistic after seeing how he has conducted himself since hiring Conway during the campaign, and what he has done since winning.
Not voting for Trump or Hillary gave us less of an emotional investment in the outcome and allows us to view this more objectively IMO. Most of my liberal friends are off the rails. You'd think one of their loved ones died and that a foreign army is massing on our border about to invade.
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I agree, so I trust you'll join me in a "dignity pledge".
In all future elections we'll accept the result and try to promote civility within political discourse.
you have no dignity to pledge
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you have no dignity to pledge
;D Good zinger in true get big fashion.
I like humor but the lack of respect for the election process has jumped the shark.
People in politics now act like disgruntled bodybuilders after losing a contest.
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Hopefully no chads were harmed during the election
Sadly, 1,528 were hung in Florida.
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Final tally shows Trump lost popular vote by 2.8 million –
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html#ixzz4TV0pKX00
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OK...I'm glad to see you at least concede that......however why does Trump keep spreading the lie that he actually WON the popular vote?????????
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OK...I'm glad to see you at least concede that......however why does Trump keep spreading the lie that he actually WON the popular vote?????????
Why do you keep spreading the lie that obama is straight and born in the USA?
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OK...I'm glad to see you at least concede that......however why does Trump keep spreading the lie that he actually WON the popular vote?????????
There was no popular vote contest.
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Hillary Clinton: President of California
by DAN MCLAUGHLIN
December 21, 2016
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/443254/hillary-clinton-president-california?utm_source=nr&utm_campaign=hillary-president-california&utm_medium=facebook&utm_content=mclaughlin
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Harold Ford Jr: ‘Never Understood’ Dems Saying They Won Popular Vote ‘As If That Meant Something’
by Ian Hanchett17 Apr 2017
On Monday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” former Democratic Congressman Harold Ford Jr. stated that he “never understood when Democrats say, ‘Well, we won the presidential race by 3 million votes,’ as if that meant something.”
Ford said, “Democrats — let’s not overblow this thing. For eight years, under Obama, we figured out how to organize and how to — nationally, but what we’ve not done, to your point, is to figure out how you win in local districts and congressional districts. … [W]e are terrible at this, at showing up over the last 10, 20 years, as we look at congressional districts, Senate races, and governors. I never understood when Democrats say, ‘Well, we won the presidential race by 3 million votes,’ as if that meant something. It would be different if that meant more governor’s seats, or more House seats, or more Senate seats. We lost all of that, and at a historic low in a lot of ways.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/04/17/harold-ford-jr-never-understood-dems-saying-they-won-popular-vote-as-if-that-meant-something/
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The only thing it means is the the POTUS does not have popular support for his agenda
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I heard today that 20 percent of Hillary Clinton's votes came from California and New York. Be glad there is no popular vote contest. Bunch of lunatics running wild in California. Wouldn't want those nuts choosing our president.
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I heard today that Trumps Electoral College win consisted of about 70, 000 votes spread over districts in three Rust Belt States
also heard today that there are questions about ballots being incorrectly labeled as "provisional" in Wisconsin
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I heard the Saints are going to win the Superbowl again, because Drew Brees throws for over 300 years a game.
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I heard the Saints are going to win the Superbowl again, because Drew Brees throws for over 300 years a game.
I heard the same thing
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All I heard was he won the electoral by a landslide and after 230 years the left all of the sudden want it changed
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All I heard was he won the electoral by a landslide and after 230 years the left all of the sudden want it changed
I heard that too
somebody profoundly stupid told me that
who told you?
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I just took a look at the total vote numbers. Some interesting observations:
1. Biden received 81,282,501 votes.
2. Trump received 74,223,975.
3. Both numbers were record turnouts. I think the reason was largely related to the mass numbers of mail-in votes. I think the numbers for both parties will drop in 2024.
4. Just like 2016, the "popular vote" was dramatically impacted by California and New York. In 2016, Hillary Clinton's entire popular vote spread came from California. In 2020, Biden got 11,110,639 votes in California and 5,249,886 votes in New York.
5. In 2020, Trump got 6,006,518 votes in California and 3,251,987 votes in New York.
6. The Biden spread in California was 5,104,121 and in New York was 1,992,899, for a total of 7,097,020.
7. Biden's total popular vote spread in 2020 was 7,059,526. In other words, the California and New York vote totals account for all of Biden's popular vote spread.
8. If you subtract California and New York from both Biden and Trump, Biden got 64,922,976 votes and Trump got 64,965,470. In other words, Trump got more popular votes than Biden outside of California and New York.
I'm pretty sure Trump never set foot in California during the 2020 election.
Good context for Biden's 81 million votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
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There is no popular vote contest, but I'm glad this issue has been taken away from leftists.
Trump 1st Republican in 20 Years to Win Popular Vote
By Charlie McCarthy | Wednesday, 06 November 2024
President-elect Donald Trump not only defeated Vice President Kamala Harris in the Electoral College, he also was headed toward being the first Republican in 20 years to capture the popular vote.
As of Wednesday morning, Trump had received 70,654,294 votes while Harris had 66,093,585.
Trump, who will be sworn in on Jan. 20, was on course to become the first Republican to win the national popular vote since President George W. Bush (50.7%) defeated Sen. John Kerry (48.3%) in 2004, Newsweek reported.
Bush won 62,040,610 votes and 286 electoral votes compared to Democrat nominee John Kerry, who secured 59,028,444 votes and 251 electoral votes, according to the Federal Election Commission.
From then to now, Democrats won the popular vote, even when Trump won the Electoral College in 2016 and defeated Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton.
Before the 2024 election, prediction markets never gave Trump a greater than 43% chance of winning the popular vote, Axios reported.
Newsmax was the first network to project Trump winning Tuesday's election. The projection came minutes after Newsmax called the battleground state of Pennsylvania for the Republican.
The Pennsylvania victory gave Trump the 270 electoral votes needed to win, making him the 47th president of the U.S.
Trump's return to the White House will make him the second president to serve non-consecutive terms. Grover Cleveland served as the 22nd president after the 1884 election, and as the 24th president after the campaign of 1892.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-republican-popular-vote/2024/11/06/id/1186948/
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I just took a look at the total vote numbers. Some interesting observations:
1. Biden received 81,282,501 votes.
2. Trump received 74,223,975.
3. Both numbers were record turnouts. I think the reason was largely related to the mass numbers of mail-in votes. I think the numbers for both parties will drop in 2024.
4. Just like 2016, the "popular vote" was dramatically impacted by California and New York. In 2016, Hillary Clinton's entire popular vote spread came from California. In 2020, Biden got 11,110,639 votes in California and 5,249,886 votes in New York.
5. In 2020, Trump got 6,006,518 votes in California and 3,251,987 votes in New York.
6. The Biden spread in California was 5,104,121 and in New York was 1,992,899, for a total of 7,097,020.
7. Biden's total popular vote spread in 2020 was 7,059,526. In other words, the California and New York vote totals account for all of Biden's popular vote spread.
8. If you subtract California and New York from both Biden and Trump, Biden got 64,922,976 votes and Trump got 64,965,470. In other words, Trump got more popular votes than Biden outside of California and New York.
I'm pretty sure Trump never set foot in California during the 2020 election.
Good context for Biden's 81 million votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
It would be interesting to see how many people voted this time. It seemed like more people voted in this election than 4 years ago.
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There is no popular vote contest, but I'm glad this issue has been taken away from leftists.
Trump 1st Republican in 20 Years to Win Popular Vote
By Charlie McCarthy | Wednesday, 06 November 2024
President-elect Donald Trump not only defeated Vice President Kamala Harris in the Electoral College, he also was headed toward being the first Republican in 20 years to capture the popular vote.
As of Wednesday morning, Trump had received 70,654,294 votes while Harris had 66,093,585.
Trump, who will be sworn in on Jan. 20, was on course to become the first Republican to win the national popular vote since President George W. Bush (50.7%) defeated Sen. John Kerry (48.3%) in 2004, Newsweek reported.
Bush won 62,040,610 votes and 286 electoral votes compared to Democrat nominee John Kerry, who secured 59,028,444 votes and 251 electoral votes, according to the Federal Election Commission.
From then to now, Democrats won the popular vote, even when Trump won the Electoral College in 2016 and defeated Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton.
Before the 2024 election, prediction markets never gave Trump a greater than 43% chance of winning the popular vote, Axios reported.
Newsmax was the first network to project Trump winning Tuesday's election. The projection came minutes after Newsmax called the battleground state of Pennsylvania for the Republican.
The Pennsylvania victory gave Trump the 270 electoral votes needed to win, making him the 47th president of the U.S.
Trump's return to the White House will make him the second president to serve non-consecutive terms. Grover Cleveland served as the 22nd president after the 1884 election, and as the 24th president after the campaign of 1892.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-republican-popular-vote/2024/11/06/id/1186948/
Maybe Agnostic can elaborate on this...
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Maybe Agnostic can elaborate on this...
Inquiring minds want to know. :)
My Qanon buddy that lost a bunch of money to me on the last election has offered a bet of $500 that at 11:59 PM on Nov 8th Trump will have the popular vote lead. He lost $6000+ to me in 2020 so I jumped on it. Tried to get him to $2000 but I think he has smartened up.
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It would be interesting to see how many people voted this time. It seemed like more people voted in this election than 4 years ago.
I know some areas had record turnout, but I doubt that we had more total votes this time.
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I just took a look at the total vote numbers. Some interesting observations:
1. Biden received 81,282,501 votes.
2. Trump received 74,223,975.
3. Both numbers were record turnouts. I think the reason was largely related to the mass numbers of mail-in votes. I think the numbers for both parties will drop in 2024.
4. Just like 2016, the "popular vote" was dramatically impacted by California and New York. In 2016, Hillary Clinton's entire popular vote spread came from California. In 2020, Biden got 11,110,639 votes in California and 5,249,886 votes in New York.
5. In 2020, Trump got 6,006,518 votes in California and 3,251,987 votes in New York.
6. The Biden spread in California was 5,104,121 and in New York was 1,992,899, for a total of 7,097,020.
7. Biden's total popular vote spread in 2020 was 7,059,526. In other words, the California and New York vote totals account for all of Biden's popular vote spread.
8. If you subtract California and New York from both Biden and Trump, Biden got 64,922,976 votes and Trump got 64,965,470. In other words, Trump got more popular votes than Biden outside of California and New York.
I'm pretty sure Trump never set foot in California during the 2020 election.
Good context for Biden's 81 million votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
Nice prediction
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There is no popular vote contest, but I'm glad this issue has been taken away from leftists.
Trump 1st Republican in 20 Years to Win Popular Vote
By Charlie McCarthy | Wednesday, 06 November 2024
President-elect Donald Trump not only defeated Vice President Kamala Harris in the Electoral College, he also was headed toward being the first Republican in 20 years to capture the popular vote.
As of Wednesday morning, Trump had received 70,654,294 votes while Harris had 66,093,585.
Trump, who will be sworn in on Jan. 20, was on course to become the first Republican to win the national popular vote since President George W. Bush (50.7%) defeated Sen. John Kerry (48.3%) in 2004, Newsweek reported.
Bush won 62,040,610 votes and 286 electoral votes compared to Democrat nominee John Kerry, who secured 59,028,444 votes and 251 electoral votes, according to the Federal Election Commission.
From then to now, Democrats won the popular vote, even when Trump won the Electoral College in 2016 and defeated Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton.
Before the 2024 election, prediction markets never gave Trump a greater than 43% chance of winning the popular vote, Axios reported.
Newsmax was the first network to project Trump winning Tuesday's election. The projection came minutes after Newsmax called the battleground state of Pennsylvania for the Republican.
The Pennsylvania victory gave Trump the 270 electoral votes needed to win, making him the 47th president of the U.S.
Trump's return to the White House will make him the second president to serve non-consecutive terms. Grover Cleveland served as the 22nd president after the 1884 election, and as the 24th president after the campaign of 1892.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-republican-popular-vote/2024/11/06/id/1186948/
Moreover, he won an outright majority like Bush did in 2004. 8)
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Senate Democrats’ New Electoral College Plan Shows They’re Clueless
Democrats are launching a pointless attempt to claw back power.
A group of Senate Democrats introduced a bill Monday to abolish the Electoral College.
U.S. Senators Brian Schatz of Hawaii, Dick Durbin of Illinois, and Peter Welch of Vermont introduced a constitutional amendment to install a nationwide popular vote in presidential elections. Currently, a network of 538 electors represent the 50 states, and whichever candidate secures at least 270 electors is declared the winner.
The Senate Judiciary Committee posted on X Monday that the bill advocated “restoring democracy by allowing the direct election of presidents through popular vote alone.”
A press release from the group said that 17 states and the District of Columbia had agreed to bypass the Electoral College and allocate their electoral votes to the winner of a nationwide popular vote.
“In an election, the person who gets the most votes should win. It’s that simple. No one’s vote should count for more based on where they live. The Electoral College is outdated and it’s undemocratic. It’s time to end it,” Schatz said in a separate tweet.
But attempting to get rid of the Electoral College via constitutional amendment may prove to be a massive boondoggle for Democrats. Far easier than ratifying an amendment to abolish the Electoral College, the Democrats might be better off simply passing legislation to increase the number of House representatives, as the number of electors is determined by the number of senators and representatives.
The Founding Fathers intended for the House to continue expanding in proportion to the population of each state, but the number of representatives has been frozen at 435 since 1910. In 1910, each district had 211,000 constituents. In 2020, each district had an average of 762,000 constituents, a dramatic 360 percent increase.
https://newrepublic.com/post/189457/senate-democrats-electoral-college-popular-vote
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Senate Democrats’ New Electoral College Plan Shows They’re Clueless
Democrats are launching a pointless attempt to claw back power.
A group of Senate Democrats introduced a bill Monday to abolish the Electoral College.
U.S. Senators Brian Schatz of Hawaii, Dick Durbin of Illinois, and Peter Welch of Vermont introduced a constitutional amendment to install a nationwide popular vote in presidential elections. Currently, a network of 538 electors represent the 50 states, and whichever candidate secures at least 270 electors is declared the winner.
The Senate Judiciary Committee posted on X Monday that the bill advocated “restoring democracy by allowing the direct election of presidents through popular vote alone.”
A press release from the group said that 17 states and the District of Columbia had agreed to bypass the Electoral College and allocate their electoral votes to the winner of a nationwide popular vote.
“In an election, the person who gets the most votes should win. It’s that simple. No one’s vote should count for more based on where they live. The Electoral College is outdated and it’s undemocratic. It’s time to end it,” Schatz said in a separate tweet.
But attempting to get rid of the Electoral College via constitutional amendment may prove to be a massive boondoggle for Democrats. Far easier than ratifying an amendment to abolish the Electoral College, the Democrats might be better off simply passing legislation to increase the number of House representatives, as the number of electors is determined by the number of senators and representatives.
The Founding Fathers intended for the House to continue expanding in proportion to the population of each state, but the number of representatives has been frozen at 435 since 1910. In 1910, each district had 211,000 constituents. In 2020, each district had an average of 762,000 constituents, a dramatic 360 percent increase.
https://newrepublic.com/post/189457/senate-democrats-electoral-college-popular-vote
I'll add that Lincoln won with 40% of the popular vote.
Nixon and Clinton won their first terms with 43% of the popular vote (Wilson with just 42% in 1912), but they won in the electoral college where it matters.
If we eliminate the EC and follow the popular vote, we’ll have presidents winning with 33% or less of the PV - a minor revolution every 4 years.
FTN.