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If not, she's a done deal. Trump has nothing to do whether she there is an indictment or not but since Obama didn't pardon her, her life will be a living hell wondering either how long she'll be in prison or if guilty of treason, the death penalty. The latter won't happen but life in prison is more of a possibility.
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If not, she's a done deal. Trump has nothing to do whether she there is an indictment or not but since Obama didn't pardon her, her life will be a living hell wondering either how long she'll be in prison or if guilty of treason, the death penalty. The latter won't happen but life in prison is more of a possibility.
LOL! Dreamer.
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LOL! Dreamer.
Bet me
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Bet me
Time will tell. No reason for you to lose your hard earned money on trivia.
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HAHAHA this moron spent Christmas Day pondering delusional fantasies like this.
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HAHAHA this moron spent Christmas Day pondering delusional fantasies like this.
Weren't you the one that said along time ago that Bengahzi was over? Done? Or whatever delusional thought you had that day?
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Weren't you the one that said along time ago that Bengahzi was over? Done? Or whatever delusional thought you had that day?
No he was the one who said the Republican party is dead and that Hillary would destroy the Republican nominee.
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Weren't you the one that said along time ago that Bengahzi was over? Done? Or whatever delusional thought you had that day?
No, that was the Republicans who cleared her of wrong doing. Maybe on the next hearing or 12th, it may have an outcome that resonates with the fantasy land you live in.
No he was the one who said the Republican party is dead and that Hillary would destroy the Republican nominee.
I - and others - thought she would. But he was too much of an alpha male for her. Got to love the way he shit kicked every other GOP candidate running and now they are back licking his ass for scraps.
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No, that was the Republicans who cleared her of wrong doing. Maybe on the next hearing or 12th, it may have an outcome that resonates with the fantasy land you live in.
I - and others - thought she would. But he was too much of an alpha male for her. Got to love the way he shit kicked every other GOP candidate running and now they are back licking his ass for scraps.
She wasn't cleared of shit and you can post all the articals and news stories you want, here's the main reason why this will keep going until her ass is in prison as well as everyone that covered for her.
And don't forget Wikileaks
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No, that was the Republicans who cleared her of wrong doing. Maybe on the next hearing or 12th, it may have an outcome that resonates with the fantasy land you live in.
I - and others - thought she would. But he was too much of an alpha male for her. Got to love the way he shit kicked every other GOP candidate running and now they are back licking his ass for scraps.
I considered Clinton the favorite too, but you took it a step further and ridiculed people who believed any Republican candidate would even be competitive. You've been pretty wrong about the political landscape for quite a while.
Do you still believe the Republican Party is dead?
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He will have to pardon her. Same thing as pardoning himself as he was aware of all issues and was an active party in them.
Plus I doubt - after that recount and Russian interference nonsense - that Trump is interested in doing it.
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I considered Clinton the favorite too, but you took it a step further and ridiculed people who believed any Republican candidate would even be competitive. You've been pretty wrong about the political landscape for quite a while.
Do you still believe the Republican Party is dead?
HAHAHA yeah right. Your picks are what? 0-42 or something? Carson making an impact? Rubio doing well? You really don't want to go down that road.
Yes, the Republican party is dead. It is now the Party Of Trump. Which isn't a bad thing. He shit on every one of the other candidates running and now they are kissing his ass. Just like you will. Despite claiming to vote third party, you will be fighting for real estate on Trump's ball sac too.
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She wasn't cleared of shit and you can post all the articals and news stories you want, here's the main reason why this will keep going until her ass is in prison as well as everyone that covered for her.
And don't forget Wikileaks
If she wasn't cleared, why hasn't she been indicted then? Oh that's right... the Republican House Committee did clear her. But if you want to keep going, that's fine. Whatever calms the little man rage syndrome in you. But out of curiosity, how long does it have to go until she is charged? 10 investigations? 19? 42?
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If she wasn't cleared, why hasn't she been indicted then? Oh that's right... the Republican House Committee did clear her. But if you want to keep going, that's fine. Whatever calms the little man rage syndrome in you. But out of curiosity, how long does it have to go until she is charged? 10 investigations? 19? 42?
I'm dead serious here and not trying to be a dick, but you really don't keep up on much do you? Or do you just choose to ignore what has already been stated as facts. Son, this is loooooooooong from being over. Now, that being said, go do some research.
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If she wasn't cleared, why hasn't she been indicted then? Oh that's right... the Republican House Committee did clear her. But if you want to keep going, that's fine. Whatever calms the little man rage syndrome in you. But out of curiosity, how long does it have to go until she is charged? 10 investigations? 19? 42?
My guess is that Trump will be charged with something before HRC is. He tried to dump his foundation the other day, but that plan was quickly called into question by the New York Attorney General's Office, which said in a tweet that the foundation cannot be dissolved until the AG's investigation into it is completed.
"It would be wise for the plaintiffs, for the defendants, to look closely at trying to resolve this case given all else that's involved," Curiel told lawyers. Trump's attorneys said it may be necessary for the president-elect to settle.
If both sides decide to move forward with the trial, Trump will have to reckon every revelation that arose throughout his campaign, including his "alleged sexual misconduct, his taxes and corporate bankruptcies ... [his] speeches and tweets" which his attorneys tried to argue were irrelevant to the Trump University case.
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I'm dead serious here and not trying to be a dick, but you really don't keep up on much do you? Or do you just choose to ignore what has already been stated as facts. Son, this is loooooooooong from being over. Now, that being said, go do some research.
So in other words, when the Republican House Committee cleared her, they didn't know what they were doing. Is that correct? Sounds par for course.
Again, which investigation will see her charged with something? 59th? 103rd?
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HAHAHA yeah right. Your picks are what? 0-42 or something? Carson making an impact? Rubio doing well? You really don't want to go down that road.
Yes, the Republican party is dead. It is now the Party Of Trump. Which isn't a bad thing. He shit on every one of the other candidates running and now they are kissing his ass. Just like you will. Despite claiming to vote third party, you will be fighting for real estate on Trump's ball sac too.
Yes, let's go down that road. I haven't made a whole lot of predictions. I talk about who I think will be the favorite, who will perform well, and who I like. Those are just opinions. Sometimes, right, sometimes wrong. Now if you want to quote me, feel free, but stop making stuff up.
I'm not surprised you still believe the Republican Party is dead. Extreme partisanship clouds people's judgment. You sound like Nancy Pelosi.
The Republican Party won the White House, the Senate, the House, the majority of state governorships, and majority of state legislatures. From a recent article: "The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obamas West Wing tenure. The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency."
Anyone saying the party is dead in the face of these facts is delusional.
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Yes, let's go down that road. I haven't made a whole lot of predictions. I talk about who I think will be the favorite, who will perform well, and who I like. Those are just opinions. Sometimes, right, sometimes wrong. Now if you want to quote me, feel free, but stop making stuff up.
I'm not surprised you still believe the Republican Party is dead. Extreme partisanship clouds people's judgment. You sound like Nancy Pelosi.
The Republican Party won the White House, the Senate, the House, the majority of state governorships, and majority of state legislatures. From a recent article: "The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obamas West Wing tenure. The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency."
Anyone saying the party is dead in the face of these facts is delusional.
None of which ever come through. You are quite the barometer for predictions. Provided the observer looks in the opposite direction of your choice.
You predicted Trump wouldn't have an impact. You predicted Trump would not be the nominee. Now here you are lapping away at his heels just like the rest of ones he shit on and came back for more.
Hell, even in the light of facts you still cling to past predictions.... Obama's win was a close toss up?
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None of which ever come through. You are quite the barometer for predictions. Provided the observer looks in the opposite direction of your choice.
You predicted Trump wouldn't have an impact. You predicted Trump would not be the nominee. Now here you are lapping away at his heels just like the rest of ones he shit on and came back for more.
Hell, even in the light of facts you still cling to past predictions.... Obama's win was a close toss up?
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I don't make many predictions, but you struggle with telling the truth sometimes. Or perhaps you could quote me?
I went beyond saying Trump wouldn't have an impact. I mocked him. Thought his candidacy was a joke. Right up until he the won the nomination and proved everyone wrong. At that point, I still thought Hillary was the favorite, but gave Trump a chance to win. But now? I am absolutely hoping he is successful and does good things for the country. I'll have an open mind about him until he proves to me that he is a lousy leader like President Obama. That's what a happens when you love your country.
But you saying the Republican Party is dead pretty much says it all. :)
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I don't make many predictions, but you struggle with telling the truth sometimes. Or perhaps you could quote me?
I went beyond saying Trump wouldn't have an impact. I mocked him. Thought his candidacy was a joke. Right up until he the won the nomination and proved everyone wrong. At that point, I still thought Hillary was the favorite, but gave Trump a chance to win. But now? I am absolutely hoping he is successful and does good things for the country. I'll have an open mind about him until he proves to me that he is a lousy leader like President Obama. That's what a happens when you love your country.
But you saying the Republican Party is dead pretty much says it all. :)
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The Republican Party won the White House, the Senate, the House, the majority of state governorships, and majority of state legislatures. From a recent article: "The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obamas West Wing tenure. The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency."
Anyone saying the party is dead in the face of these facts is delusional.
Given the candidates for this past election, I've maintained each party needed to hit rock bottom, then get both of their collective shit together, rebuild, and give the public better choices next time.
If Trump had not won, I think it would have been pretty clear the Republican side had reached the bottom. With the win, they still need to rebuild on the fly, because despite their victories everywhere, if they don't produce while having control of everything, they're going to get wiped clean next go-round.
If the Democrats had won, I thought they would just keep believing their own bullshit and stay their lousy course. Now, they need to realize their faults and start clean, although I'm not confident they will based on the post election whining.
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I don't make many predictions, but you struggle with telling the truth sometimes. Or perhaps you could quote me?
I went beyond saying Trump wouldn't have an impact. I mocked him. Thought his candidacy was a joke. Right up until he the won the nomination and proved everyone wrong. At that point, I still thought Hillary was the favorite, but gave Trump a chance to win. But now? I am absolutely hoping he is successful and does good things for the country. I'll have an open mind about him until he proves to me that he is a lousy leader like President Obama. That's what a happens when you love your country.
But you saying the Republican Party is dead pretty much says it all. :)
Economists are now comparing Trump's policies (tax breaks for the rich) to Reaganomics. There are good and bad aspects to Reaganomics. The bad is that during during Reagan's presidency, the national debt grew from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. This added to the current debt will be a disaster. As of December 1, 2016, the official debt of the United States government is $19.9 trillion.
FYI:
As reported in January 2016
Since President Barack Obama first took office:
◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged.
◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median.
◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession.
◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent.
◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance.
◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 percent of U.S. electricity.
◾The federal debt has more than doubled rising 116 percent and big annual deficits have continued.
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Given the candidates for this past election, I've maintained each party needed to hit rock bottom, then get both of their collective shit together, rebuild, and give the public better choices next time.
If Trump had not won, I think it would have been pretty clear the Republican side had reached the bottom. With the win, they still need to rebuild on the fly, because despite their victories everywhere, if they don't produce while having control of everything, they're going to get wiped clean next go-round.
If the Democrats had won, I thought they would just keep believing their own bullshit and stay their lousy course. Now, they need to realize their faults and start clean, although I'm not confident they will based on the post election whining.
I agree both parties need to clean house. Get rid of the old guard. Getting rid of Harry Reid is a great start, but Democrats stuck with Nancy Pelosi and Keith Ellison is on the short list for DNC Chair. That's just digging their hole even deeper.
Republicans need to get rid of Mitch McConnell and several other old timers.
That said, when you look at the landscape, you gotta be a pretty big hack, or just not very smart, to say the Republican Party is dead when it controls most of the country and when you look at the trend for the past ten years. Not saying this is good or bad. Just a fact.
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....to say the Republican Party is dead when it controls most of the country and when you look at the trend for the past ten years. Not saying this is good or bad. Just a fact.
If money is power and it is, you are absolutely right, Republican's control most of the country. According to an article in Forbes 56% of America's richest families are affiliated with the Republican Party.
One caveat: Some of these family fortunes are shared among dozens or even hundreds of people, so we were only able to track political donations of a subset of prominent members.
Here are the political affiliations of Americas 50 richest families, ranked according to wealth:
1. Walton Republican
2. Koch Republican
3. Mars Republican
4. Cargill-MacMillan Republican
5. Johnson (Fidelity) Republican
6. Hearst Republican
7. Cox Democrat
8. Pritzker Both
9. Johnson (S.C. Johnson) Republican
10. Duncan Republican
11. Newhouse Democrat
12. Lauder Both
13. Du Pont Republican
14. Hunt Republican
15. Ziff Both
16. Johnson (Franklin Templeton) Republican
17. Busch Both
18. Dorrance Both
19. Mellon Republican
20. Brown Both
21. Carlson Both
22. Fisher Republican
23. Butt Democrat
24. Rockefeller Both
25. Gallo Democrat
26. Marshall Republican
27. Bass Both
28. Meijer Republican
29. Bechtel Republican
29. Reyes Republican
29. Simplot Republican
32. Rales Both
33. Rollins Republican
34. Scripps Republican
35. Crown Both
36. Stryker Democrat
37. Smith Republican
38. Pigott Republican
39. Shoen Both
39. Simon Democrat
41. Lefrak Both
42. Hughes Republican
42. Phipps Republican
44. Kluge Both
44. Tisch Democrat
46. Johnson (Johnson & Johnson) Republican
47. Marriott Republican
48. Kohler Republican
49. Perot Both
50. Barbey Republican
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Economists are now comparing Trump's policies (tax breaks for the rich) to Reaganomics. There are good and bad aspects to Reaganomics. The bad is that during during Reagan's presidency, the national debt grew from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. This added to the current debt will be a disaster. As of December 1, 2016, the official debt of the United States government is $19.9 trillion.
FYI:
As reported in January 2016
Since President Barack Obama first took office:
◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged.
◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median.
◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession.
◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent.
◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance.
◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 percent of U.S. electricity.
◾The federal debt has more than doubled rising 116 percent and big annual deficits have continued.
Your premise is false. He hasn't proposed "tax breaks for the rich." He has talked about cutting everyone's taxes.
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If money is power and it is, you are absolutely right, Republican's control most of the country. According to an article in Forbes 56% of America's richest families are affiliated with the Republican Party.
One caveat: Some of these family fortunes are shared among dozens or even hundreds of people, so we were only able to track political donations of a subset of prominent members.
Here are the political affiliations of Americas 50 richest families, ranked according to wealth:
1. Walton Republican
2. Koch Republican
3. Mars Republican
4. Cargill-MacMillan Republican
5. Johnson (Fidelity) Republican
6. Hearst Republican
7. Cox Democrat
8. Pritzker Both
9. Johnson (S.C. Johnson) Republican
10. Duncan Republican
11. Newhouse Democrat
12. Lauder Both
13. Du Pont Republican
14. Hunt Republican
15. Ziff Both
16. Johnson (Franklin Templeton) Republican
17. Busch Both
18. Dorrance Both
19. Mellon Republican
20. Brown Both
21. Carlson Both
22. Fisher Republican
23. Butt Democrat
24. Rockefeller Both
25. Gallo Democrat
26. Marshall Republican
27. Bass Both
28. Meijer Republican
29. Bechtel Republican
29. Reyes Republican
29. Simplot Republican
32. Rales Both
33. Rollins Republican
34. Scripps Republican
35. Crown Both
36. Stryker Democrat
37. Smith Republican
38. Pigott Republican
39. Shoen Both
39. Simon Democrat
41. Lefrak Both
42. Hughes Republican
42. Phipps Republican
44. Kluge Both
44. Tisch Democrat
46. Johnson (Johnson & Johnson) Republican
47. Marriott Republican
48. Kohler Republican
49. Perot Both
50. Barbey Republican
I'm only talking about legislative control.
And you have to be kidding if you're going to try and play the who has the wealthiest members game. The Democrat Party is full of fat cats.
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Your premise is false. He hasn't proposed "tax breaks for the rich." He has talked about cutting everyone's taxes.
You're right, he did propose tax breaks for all, however the biggest tax cuts are for the rich 1%. Some middle income folks will actually see a tax increase, under Trump's proposal. Since I was making a comparison between Trump's plan and Reagan's tax cuts, my premise is not false. Reagan did cut taxes for everyone.
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You're right, he did propose tax breaks for all, however the biggest tax cuts are for the rich 1%. Some middle income folks will actually see a tax increase, under Trump's proposal. Since I was making a comparison between Trump's plan and Reagan's tax cuts, my premise is not false. Reagan did cut taxes for everyone.
The biggest cuts for the people who pay most of the taxes? Isn't that how it should work?
You cannot reasonably compare Trump talking about cutting everyone's taxes to Reagan, if you contend Reagan did not cut taxes for everyone. By your own definition, their proposals are not the same.
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If money is power and it is, you are absolutely right, Republican's control most of the country. According to an article in Forbes 56% of America's richest families are affiliated with the Republican Party.
One caveat: Some of these family fortunes are shared among dozens or even hundreds of people, so we were only able to track political donations of a subset of prominent members.
Here are the political affiliations of Americas 50 richest families, ranked according to wealth:
1. Walton Republican
2. Koch Republican
3. Mars Republican
4. Cargill-MacMillan Republican
5. Johnson (Fidelity) Republican
6. Hearst Republican
7. Cox Democrat
8. Pritzker Both
9. Johnson (S.C. Johnson) Republican
10. Duncan Republican
11. Newhouse Democrat
12. Lauder Both
13. Du Pont Republican
14. Hunt Republican
15. Ziff Both
16. Johnson (Franklin Templeton) Republican
17. Busch Both
18. Dorrance Both
19. Mellon Republican
20. Brown Both
21. Carlson Both
22. Fisher Republican
23. Butt Democrat
24. Rockefeller Both
25. Gallo Democrat
26. Marshall Republican
27. Bass Both
28. Meijer Republican
29. Bechtel Republican
29. Reyes Republican
29. Simplot Republican
32. Rales Both
33. Rollins Republican
34. Scripps Republican
35. Crown Both
36. Stryker Democrat
37. Smith Republican
38. Pigott Republican
39. Shoen Both
39. Simon Democrat
41. Lefrak Both
42. Hughes Republican
42. Phipps Republican
44. Kluge Both
44. Tisch Democrat
46. Johnson (Johnson & Johnson) Republican
47. Marriott Republican
48. Kohler Republican
49. Perot Both
50. Barbey Republican
Where is Warren Buffet in that list? Is he not wealthy anymore?
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He and a lot of other folks are on Forbes, 50 richest people in America. The list to which you refer is the 50 richest families. On the richest people list Warren Buffet is #3. Bill Gates is #1.
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Hillary Negotiating Secret Pardon With Obamas White House Counsel
True Pundit ^ | December 27, 2016
Posted on 12/29/2016, 10:10:24 AM by COUNTrecount
Hillary and Bill Clinton are secretly negotiating framework for a potential pardon from President Barack Obama that would spare Hillary from looming criminal indictments, according to Justice Department sources.
But theres a catch, as there often is when it comes to legal proceedings and the Clinton family. Neil Eggleston, White House Counsel to the President who oversees and approves all presidential pardons and commutations, was previously employed by President Bill Clintons White House as a key lawyer to the former president and Hillary Clinton. Also, Eggleston has previously represented Cheryl Mills, a key Hillary attorney believed to be involved in Clintons clemency negotiations.
Even though she has not been charged yet with any crimes, the Obama pardon would shield Hillary from any criminal charges she could face under a Donald Trump administration and a Sen. Sessions-led Justice Department.
Sources said Obama green-lighted the Clinton talks with Eggleston prior to departing for his last vacation in Hawaii. However, allowing the Clintons and their attorneys to negotiate directly with Eggleston smacks of a serious conflict of interest, whether or not the sides agree on acceptable clemency terms for the former secretary of state. In an corruption-free administration, Eggleston would step aside and recuse himself from such negotiations having served as a Clinton family lawyer during the most tumultuous period of Bills Clintons presidency, including his impeachment.
But the Obama administration is anything but corruption free.
Hillary Clinton is the target of at least one criminal FBI probe for mishandling classified and top secret emails and government secrets and possibly other criminal charges as the FBI is likewise investigating the Clinton Foundation for money laundering and pay-to-play involved crimes.
Clinton family legal consigliere David Kendall, who co-defended President Clinton with Eggleston during Whitewater and the Lewinsky affair, did not return requests for comment.
(Excerpt) Read more at truepundit.com ...
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Hillary Negotiating Secret Pardon With Obamas White House Counsel
True Pundit ^ | December 27, 2016
Posted on 12/29/2016, 10:10:24 AM by COUNTrecount
Hillary and Bill Clinton are secretly negotiating framework for a potential pardon from President Barack Obama that would spare Hillary from looming criminal indictments, according to Justice Department sources.
But theres a catch, as there often is when it comes to legal proceedings and the Clinton family. Neil Eggleston, White House Counsel to the President who oversees and approves all presidential pardons and commutations, was previously employed by President Bill Clintons White House as a key lawyer to the former president and Hillary Clinton. Also, Eggleston has previously represented Cheryl Mills, a key Hillary attorney believed to be involved in Clintons clemency negotiations.
Even though she has not been charged yet with any crimes, the Obama pardon would shield Hillary from any criminal charges she could face under a Donald Trump administration and a Sen. Sessions-led Justice Department.
Sources said Obama green-lighted the Clinton talks with Eggleston prior to departing for his last vacation in Hawaii. However, allowing the Clintons and their attorneys to negotiate directly with Eggleston smacks of a serious conflict of interest, whether or not the sides agree on acceptable clemency terms for the former secretary of state. In an corruption-free administration, Eggleston would step aside and recuse himself from such negotiations having served as a Clinton family lawyer during the most tumultuous period of Bills Clintons presidency, including his impeachment.
But the Obama administration is anything but corruption free.
Hillary Clinton is the target of at least one criminal FBI probe for mishandling classified and top secret emails and government secrets and possibly other criminal charges as the FBI is likewise investigating the Clinton Foundation for money laundering and pay-to-play involved crimes.
Clinton family legal consigliere David Kendall, who co-defended President Clinton with Eggleston during Whitewater and the Lewinsky affair, did not return requests for comment.
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I doubt Trump will be getting any pre-emptive pardons from Obama.
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First: Coach, focus on your business for a change. You have OCD about this shit. Get a fucking grip already. Your girlfriend must be ready to commit suicide.
Second: The RNC will self destruct. Name ONE TIME in history where they were able to hold it together without implosion, disgust, etc. This will be an incredible cluster. All we have to do is survive through it.
We probably won't.