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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: hipolito mejia on February 12, 2017, 06:25:48 AM
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A friend of mine who happens to be a men's physique competitor has been told by doctor that his kidneys are " weak " and the reason is the pre workout formula ! so he has to cut that off completely. I thought steroids and massive protein intake would put stress in kidneys.
The guy is late 30s of 40 great shape. Seems worry
What's the best way too get kidneys clean and back to normal ?
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His doctor has no fucking clue where he's talking about and 'your friend' prob wasn't upfront about his exact PED use.
Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.
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His doctor has no fucking clue where he's talking about and 'your friend' prob wasn't upfront about his exact PED use.
Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.
Exactly most doctors know nothing about nutrition or how to treat a bodybuilder, in med school you are only given a basic concept of nutrition doctors are a waste of money and are only needed if you get shot, stabbed etc.
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Where are the pics of dudes with bolt on tits and wigs? This isn't like you. Add hippo to the list of hacked accounts.
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His doctor has no fucking clue where he's talking about and 'your friend' prob wasn't upfront about his exact PED use.
Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.
Thanks but Don't you think the blood work would have revealed anything going on in his system ?
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Where are the pics of dudes with bolt on tits and wigs? This isn't like you. Add hippo to the list of hacked accounts.
Wait for UKJeff to come in and expose the gimmicks!!! ;D ;D
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Thanks but Don't you think the blood work would have revealed anything going on in his system ?
Yes, but not the main cause, which is prob a diuretic or another toxic oral
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Wait for UKJeff to come in and expose the gimmicks!!! ;D ;D
im beginning to think Im the only human on a site of fucking bots.
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im beginning to think Im the only human on a site of fucking bots.
Let me switch to my gimmick account and Ill provide a better answer about who is real.
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Yes, but not the main cause, which is prob a diuretic or another toxic oral
The main kidney killer is high blood pressure. Not steroids directly, as in toxic to the kidneys (indirectly they increase BP). The doc probably was referring to the BP increasing aspects of stimulants and he wouldn't necessarily be wrong. But he doesn't know what the cause for "weak kidneys" is for sure, unless he takes the dudes BP before and after a PWO.
hippplito, you can't "clean out" kidneys, you can get the risk factors under control though, as in lowering BP etc. If the kidneys are damaged already they don't really recover.
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Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.
Never been scientifically shown to do anything. It personally gives me heart palpitations. Blamed it on the roids, it was the milk thistle. Damn herbs.
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Too much protein over a long period of time is a kidney killer as well.
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Never been scientifically shown to do anything. It personally gives me heart palpitations. Blamed it on the roids, it was the milk thistle. Damn herbs.
Milk thistle has been used a lot after the liver has been under a lot os stress due to steroids use. To be honest I haven't heard much about its use with kidney issues.
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Too much protein over a long period of time is a kidney killer as well.
But that has to be a ridiculous daily intake , like over 350 grams Daily.
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But that has to be a ridiculous daily intake , like over 350 grams Daily.
No, not really. It depends on the person and their makeup, in addition whatever else theyre doing. Drugs etc.
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Milk thistle has been used a lot after the liver has been under a lot os stress due to steroids use. To be honest I haven't heard much about its use with kidney issues.
I know dude.
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The main kidney killer is high blood pressure. Not steroids directly, as in toxic to the kidneys (indirectly they increase BP). The doc probably was referring to the BP increasing aspects of stimulants and he wouldn't necessarily be wrong. But he doesn't know what the cause for "weak kidneys" is for sure, unless he takes the dudes BP before and after a PWO.
hippplito, you can't "clean out" kidneys, you can get the risk factors under control though, as in lowering BP etc. If the kidneys are damaged already they don't really recover.
BP does damage the kidneys, for sure. But AAS are directly toxic to the kidneys, don't fool yourself. I think it's really a matter of genetic predisposition and if it will effect the individual. RDC juiced heavy for 20-30 years but as far as we know has no kidney issues. Other guys aren't so lucky. Check out this study, I think lots of guys are in this boat and don't even know it......yet
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
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Exactly most doctors know nothing about nutrition or how to treat a bodybuilder, in med school you are only given a basic concept of nutrition doctors are a waste of money and are only needed if you get shot, stabbed etc.
More like most doctors don't even know their patients are on steroids!
Dr: "What do you take?"
250 pound bodybuilder: "Well, I take protein shakes, creatine, and a preworkout with some stimulants in it occasionally."
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Steroids increase blood pressure then it gets spiked further when you lift. Another big cause of kidney damage is using oil injections. Your kidneys filter your blood and get clogged with that crap. Vegetable oil on your salad is okay as it's processed by your digestive system. Injecting vegetable oil is insanity. Creatine after it's processed by your body can throw off kidney tests because you can get a high creatinine reading indicating your kidneys are going bad or just a indicating you're using creatine. Also steroid contribute to fluid retention that contributes to blood pressure problems. Not a doctor disclaimer here. Another source is rhabdomyolysis where damage muscle fibers clog the kidneys.
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You people need to realize that massive protein intake is not necessary to build muscle the only thing that you are doing is putting unnecessary stress on your organs, this bullshit was invented by the supplement companies so you would waste your money buying their fart powder.
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Ask DA and Flex for kidney advices...
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You people need to realize that massive protein intake is not necessary to build muscle the only thing that you are doing is putting unnecessary stress on your organs, this bullshit was invented by the supplement companies so you would waste your money buying their fart powder.
so i take it on a keto diet for all those months all you ate was fats and a bit of protein?
how much protein?
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so i take it on a keto diet for all those months all you ate was fats and a bit of protein?
how much protein?
This is how you break it down on a keto diet, 75 percent fats, 25 percent protein and 5 percent carbs the first few days are hell because your brain is used to carbs as energy and it has to switch to burning fat for energy, if you are able to survive then once the brain gets used to burning fat as energy you wont feel like shit anymore and you will burn fat like crazy.
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This is how you break it down on a keto diet, 75 percent fats, 25 percent protein and 5 percent carbs the first few days are hell because your brain is used to carbs as energy and it has to switch to burning fat for energy, if you are able to survive then once the brain gets used to burning fat as energy you wont feel like shit anymore and you will burn fat like crazy.
I read that twice, it doesnt say how much protein you were eating....which was my question.
tip for you, you are going to get owned in the next three posts.. ;)
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As already stated AAS have a direct damaging effect on kidneys from toxicity. Since most compounds now are UG labs, contamination with metals and what not is very common. Add to this diet high in protein and high blood pressure and most bodybuilders are walking around with impaired kidneys. Most will get away with it till something else kills them even old age as we are born with far more kidney function than we need. You only go on dialysis once you have less than 10% kidney function.
Your friend will need to stop this life style right now and watch his BP if he wants to keep whatever kidney function he has. Otherwise hes looking at Dialysis sooner than he thinks.
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I read that twice, it doesnt say how much protein you were eating....which was my question.
tip for you, you are going to get owned in the next three posts.. ;)
Forget it them dumbass I thought you were asking because you needed help so I gave you the percentage breakdown for you to calculate your diet, go back to your rubber bands and your shit diet so you can get a low placing in that crappy contest that you are entering.
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Forget it them dumbass I thought you were asking because you needed help so I gave you the percentage breakdown for you to calculate your diet, go back to your rubber bands and your shit diet so you can get a low placing in that crappy contest that you are entering.
hahahaha
You wont commit to a figure because either
1. you have never done it
2.If you are eating 200gms of protein (which for a man at 240lb at 8% seems reasonable) then you would be eating 600gms of fats, thats 5400 cals, add that to your protein of 800 cals thats 6200 cals on a cut you fucking moron....
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if i work out a diet of 2000 cals that would mean to split my cals 75/25 that would equate to 167gms fat to 125gms protein.
but you said my fats should be 75% of my diet, can you please sort it for me as im confused.
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hahahaha
You wont commit to a figure because either
1. you have never done it
2.If you are eating 200gms of protein (which for a man at 240lb at 8% seems reasonable) then you would be eating 600gms of fats, thats 5400 cals, add that to your protein of 800 cals thats 6200 cals on a cut you fucking moron....
Listen retarded shitface, calories dont matter on a keto diet because you dont eat carbs except for those present in salads and fiber so your insulin is very low the body is using fat for energy so you burn fat like crazy, how can you be in bodybuilding for so long and know nothing about dieting, the only reason you get into decent shape is pure genetics because you are an ectomorph you are totally clueless.
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Listen retarded shitface, calories dont matter on a keto diet because you dont eat carbs except for those present in salads and fiber so your insulin is very low the body is using fat for energy so you burn fat like crazy, how can you be in bodybuilding for so long and know nothing about dieting, the only reason you get into decent shape is pure genetics because you are an ectomorph you are totally clueless.
Calories dont matter, oh brother.....
Its clear you dont have a fucking clue, you just regurgitate shit you read on the web.
And you still havent told me what amount of protien I should be eating, 215lb at 10%
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Calories dont matter, oh brother.....
Its clear you dont have a fucking clue, you just regurgitate shit you read on the web.
And you still havent told me what amount of protien I should be eating, 215lb at 10%
Forget about protein how about getting some legs, go to the gym tomorrow and do some front squats for your quads and romanian deadlifts for your hams, if it wasn't for dj you would have the worst legs on getbig but because of him I have no choice but to give you second place.
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The reason why so many pro's are having kidney problems now is the heavy use of insulin.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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A friend of mine who happens to be a men's physique competitor has been told by doctor that his kidneys are " weak " and the reason is the pre workout formula ! so he has to cut that off completely. I thought steroids and massive protein intake would put stress in kidneys.
The guy is late 30s of 40 great shape. Seems worry
What's the best way too get kidneys clean and back to normal ?
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The only real way is to get this either on the internet from the site, or at a vitamin store (probably easier to order online...) http://drsircus.com/kidney-disease/natural-treatments-reverse-kidney-disease/
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Forget about protein how about getting some legs, go to the gym tomorrow and do some front squats for your quads and romanian deadlifts for your hams, if it wasn't for dj you would have the worst legs on getbig but because of him I have no choice but to give you second place.
so when put on the spot to be specific you literally have no idea, thanks for playing, I did say you would be owned in three posts, you managed it in two.
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The reason why so many pro's are having kidney problems now is the heavy use of insulin.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
interesting...
i will get my blood work in 1 month, I am curious to see where I am at. health is #1
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Tell your friend to stop all shops legal and illegal and stop training so hard and drop protein way down.
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A friend of mine who happens to be a men's physique competitor has been told by doctor that his kidneys are " weak " and the reason is the pre workout formula ! so he has to cut that off completely. I thought steroids and massive protein intake would put stress in kidneys.
The guy is late 30s of 40 great shape. Seems worry
What's the best way too get kidneys clean and back to normal ?
Jabba, you don't need a preworkout supp if you've never worked out.
The crevices are crusty you fat turd, go rinse.
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Hypertension and hyperglycemia are the main factors leading to renal issues, and bodybuilders are prone to both. I'm sure the steroids don't help, but thats not as well-studied
This could have been a decent thread but UK JEFF couldn't help himself from getting into an argument w a gimmick
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Hypertension and hyperglycemia are the main factors leading to renal issues, and bodybuilders are prone to both. I'm sure the steroids don't help, but thats not as well-studied
This could have been a decent thread but UK JEFF couldn't help himself from getting into an argument w a gimmick
Let's be realistic, guys are running ESFitness levels of sauce and want to blame the Monster energy drink they had for breakfast as why their kidneys are muntzering.
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Hypertension and hyperglycemia are the main factors leading to renal issues, and bodybuilders are prone to both. I'm sure the steroids don't help, but thats not as well-studied
This could have been a decent thread but UK JEFF couldn't help himself from getting into an argument w a gimmick
I am one of the most knowledgeable members of the board on diet,training and roids BT is the real joke around here imagine training for 25 years and looking the same apart from the beginner gains that you got when you first started, you have shitty bodybuilders then you have garbage bottom of the barrel bodybuilders and below that you will find bethere.
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The normal BUN level for healthy individuals is 7-20 mg/dL in adults, and 5-18 mg/dL in children. Patients on dialysis have higher BUN levels, usually 40-60 mg/dL.
mine was 25 after my last show and creatitine serum 1.30
BUN/creatinine levels will be elevated since you are a weight lifter.. that is normal. if you stopped lifting weights 2 weeks and then tested i bet results would be normalized.
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I am one of the most knowledgeable members of the board on diet,training and roids BT is the real joke around here imagine training for 25 years and looking the same apart from the beginner gains that you got when you first started, you have shitty bodybuilders then you have garbage bottom of the barrel bodybuilders and below that you will find bethere.
everyones onto you ...... ;)
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so when put on the spot to be specific you literally have no idea, thanks for playing, I did say you would be owned in three posts, you managed it in two.
So what you're saying is; you're wrong - again :D
Jabba, you don't need a preworkout supp if you've never worked out.
The crevices are crusty you fat turd, go rinse.
;D
Listen retarded shitface, calories dont matter on a keto diet because you dont eat carbs except for those present in salads and fiber so your insulin is very low the body is using fat for energy so you burn fat like crazy, how can you be in bodybuilding for so long and know nothing about dieting, the only reason you get into decent shape is pure genetics because you are an ectomorph you are totally clueless.
:D
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Its actually normal to have elevated kidney values after an intense training session...
Doctor sees the result, see the patient looking athletic/muscular, ask if the patient is taking supplements, then proceed to blame the supplements.
Watch your blood presure and sodium intake to save your kidneys.
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Tell your friend to stop all supps legal and illegal,drop weight and ease up on lifting.
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Must be taking Blackstone Labs products
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Tell your friend to stop all shops legal and illegal and stop training so hard and drop protein way down.
Is taking like 100 grams of protein daily if you weight 225 lbs ok to your kidneys ?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Hypertension and hyperglycemia are the main factors leading to renal issues, and bodybuilders are prone to both. I'm sure the steroids don't help, but thats not as well-studied
This could have been a decent thread but UK JEFF couldn't help himself from getting into an argument w a gimmick
QFT
Btw where is alcohol in all this ? I'm surpried no one has mention alcohol intake or it only kills your liver ?
WoooHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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The main kidney killer is high blood pressure. Not steroids directly, as in toxic to the kidneys (indirectly they increase BP). The doc probably was referring to the BP increasing aspects of stimulants and he wouldn't necessarily be wrong. But he doesn't know what the cause for "weak kidneys" is for sure, unless he takes the dudes BP before and after a PWO.
hippplito, you can't "clean out" kidneys, you can get the risk factors under control though, as in lowering BP etc. If the kidneys are damaged already they don't really recover.
This.
The kidneys shut down on regular people, why not him?
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This.
The kidneys shut down on regular people, why not him?
Regular people don't rely on bodybuilding supplements. That's the topic we're discussing actually
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Regular people don't rely on bodybuilding supplements. That's the topic we're discussing actually
A friend of mine who happens to be a men's physique competitor...
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And let me guess..
You think your friend is PED-free ::)
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Never been scientifically shown to do anything. It personally gives me heart palpitations. Blamed it on the roids, it was the milk thistle. Damn herbs.
Actually milk thistleb works in a petri -dish, but I the real world, your body can't absorb the silymarin. NAC is my fav. Also what they give ppl who od on tylenol or vicodin at the hospital.