Good points.
BUT, why is it a lot of get-biggers call me a "beta-male" for divorcing two of 'em over the issue. WTF?
I'm not talking about guys that want to be dads.
No, I'm referring to the countless beta males that cave in to female pressure.
I've known numerous old friends , gym bros, and unknown guys that had kids and seem miserable.
Some are divorced, paying child support and are pissed off about it.
I see these poor bastards on weekends in some Burger King parking lot.
They are getting the brats for the weekend , dropped of by some bitter ex-wife.
She looks pissed off, resentful and has zero respect for him.
He looks beat down and has the life force sucked out of him.
I've asked ( when I can) WHY they had kids in the first place.
Most admit they didn't really want to and it just "happened".
Some admit the woman really wanted kids and they just went along with it.
Lots of the dudes with kids, often say how bad the sex life with their wife is.
Again and again, I hear the same , sad tale.
Married life was a lot more fun BEFORE the kids came.
Many that don't divorce, hunker down for a life of quiet desperation.
Why?
Good points.
BUT, why is it a lot of get-biggers call me a "beta-male" for divorcing two of 'em over the issue. WTF?
I entered my previous 3 marriages with the intention of staying the course.
BUT, the first two experienced a major change in the desire to have children.
I knew that and respected their change BUT didn't share it.
ONLY a beta-male who didn't respect his own values would consent to that big a lifestyle change.
The 3rd wife was different. After 6-7 years, she wanted an "open marriage" (ie. screw around).
I refused to accept that kind of relationship and divorced her with no regrets.
In my personal view, marriage is meant to be a loving partnership.
BUT, like any agreed arrangement, if one party breaks the contract agreements , it can be made null and void.
Having a child is different. You're responsible for that life .
CLIFFS: Treat women with as much disrespect as men!
Because they are intimidated by short fat guy who has a pussy between his legs.
I think if men thought of women as men, and gave them the total disrespect most men earn then the avg man would be far better off.
Women bitch and complain as if anyone should give a shit.
GET a job!! Start a biz!!! and fuk off if you are offended by XYZ because rest of us are eqally or more offended by your BS!
:)
It doesnt help that moms and marreid people try and tell single men that being a pussy is ok, as well as book TV etc.
All the stuff with single guy fucking various woman is hidden or suppressed.
Even stuff as harmles as benny Hill is screeched at by women because they want men paying more.
Women in west simply charge too much.
Time is money.
Married men by far pay the most for sex.
Don't take women seriously.
They respect a man who doesn't because women dont take other women seriously and when they see a guy kissing ass they ware liek oh my gods what a fukin pussy that bitch is rank!! LOL
women are just like men: huge ego and lazy
If you are a man who has the concentration to make money, you are a king and treat women as beggars they are!!
Ayn Rand and Hans-Hermann Hoppe and Yaron Brook are awesome, youtube and books, as well as Tom Leykis, my own personal Jesus Christ.
I entered my previous 3 marriages with the intention of staying the course.
BUT, the first two experienced a major change in the desire to have children.
I knew that and respected their change BUT didn't share it.
ONLY a beta-male who didn't respect his own values would consent to that big a lifestyle change.
The 3rd wife was different. After 6-7 years, she wanted an "open marriage" (ie. screw around).
I refused to accept that kind of relationship and divorced her with no regrets.
In my personal view, marriage is meant to be a loving partnership.
BUT, like any agreed arrangement, if one party breaks the contract agreements , it can be made null and void.
Having a child is different. You're responsible for that life .
You seem happy and honest about the parenting experience.Truthfully I was far from happy when found out she was expecting my first kid, didn't have the talked about magical feeling of overwhelming happiness at the birth either and for the first few months thought what the fuck is this all about putting up with crying baby and a round the bend post natal woman, after a while it just clicked into place and couldn't be without the kid, later had my little girl and adored her from day one, but the whole thing was never the picture perfect shit that is portrayed
That's rare and refreshing.
Thanks for the honest reply.
^^good post and welcome to the Thunderdome bitch!!!!!!!Thanks buddy. Happy to be here (posting, that is) :D
Judging by your post you are a pretty young lad. Be carefull to judge to fast about how other people live or have lived theire life. Every one of those "selfish" posters might have a backstory you are not aware of. your girlfriend could turn like a leaf btw regarding to when she wants kids. At 23 she can not know how she wil think/feel about this a couple of years down the road ( it a biological thing).
Thanks and in all modesty, that's how I feel.
(AGAIN) , I see NOTHING wrong with a man who wants children and loves being a dad.
That's alpha as well.
BUT, I'm talking about those that didn't and caved in .
Or worse, guys that think I'm dumb for getting divorced and they remain in an unhappy marriage.
All mine are "accidental", but not once would i ever tell or want the girl to have an abortion. I still have maybe 2 left in me, provided one is a girl. Lol
Howard, you're not fooling anybody. The reason you refuse to have kids is not because you're some 'alpha' male - it's because you're an 'ethical pedophile' and a narcissist. You don't trust yourself around children and you also have the tendency to become very bitter and passive-aggressive towards your partners if they don't pay enough attention to you. You will never love anything or anyone more than yourself, and that is why you will never have a successful, long-lasting marriage. HTH.
These are the best women to have kids with, they might not be attractive but that is not the point if you want your kid to have a chance to be mr olympia he needs the best genes possible.
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Howard convincing himself that kids are not necessary is not interesting.
The TOPIC is interesting, but sadly Howard is not.
I was resistant to my wife having babies and held her off for 7 years. We finally did and had two over the span of three years. Glad I did - they both are my pride and joy now. But I had to accomplish certain personal goals first (business/sport) and then I was cool with it. We had long talks and agreed to hold off.
most men are total pussies!!!
women are scammers and have kid man doesnt want
Great reminder and info!
However, if you're a male under 35 that never had kids, it's tough to get a legit surgeon to perform the procedure. I inquired about having it done before my 2nd marriage, years ago and was advised to wait.
My (current) wife wanted her "tubes tied" in her late 20's and was refused because she didn't give birth yet.
Now we're old farts and she's menopause and I'm likely shooting "dish water" (low sperm count), so WTF. :D
I notice married guys hate single guys.
Did that feeling grow in you?
Do you feel single guys are lazy and not upstanding men?
Ok, since you asked, she developed a real urge to be a "swinger" 5-6 years AFTER we got married.Howard this a mighty interesting post. Excellent! It reads like a novel, or a script for a softporn movie, not sure yet LOL. Somehow it is mind boggeling to read about a women wanting to "get it on" year after year in and even past a marrige, and simply having a very high sexdrive. For most this stops or at least slows down very much after the first one or two years in a relationship. I think you described it well, it is the perfect relationship until you arrive at the moment in time you want "something" more/deeper.
Plus, she wanted to live in separate places but spend weekends , vacations and 1 evening a week together.
She was a national board certified psychologist with a PhD and very intelligent.
She had a really high sex drive, dry sense of humor and was laid back.
It was her idea that a couple could avoid the daily tedious parts of weekday life, by living in separate locations.
Plus, she believed that sex was exciting , fun and didn't always need to be about "making love".
To me, this wasn't my idea of marriage, and I didn't feel comfortable with "swinging".
So, we divorced on good terms.
A year after the divorce, we were both single and I tried her idea without the swinging part.
It was pretty good for a couple years. The first night I went over, she greeted me wearing only a matching bra/panty set and heels. Needless to say, the sex life was great and always was ;).
We also spent some memorable ,lazy weekends together. Plus, we had several fun vacations in the US Virgin Islands. After a couple years of this situation, I was driving home , after a weeknight of good sex.
It was a warm summer night and I began to feel alone in the car.
The next day, I called her up and told her I couldn't stay in our current relationship.
For me, there were too many empty , lonely times.
We even met for lunch the next day and had one last meal together.
We ended our romantic life ,but left with a deeper understanding and mutual respect .
Within 2 months, by ( current) wife would circle back into my life.
Yup!So no kids of here own? And the first wife, did she have kids?
In fact, I caught up with wife #2, a couple years AFTER we divorced.
She was living with a divorced man with young twin girls ( age 3?).
Great question and I've answered that a couple times, but forum posts are easy to miss.
I tried to get one years ago, right after my first marriage.
The doc told me I was too young to get one , especially since I never had kids.
Howard this a mighty interesting post. Excellent! It reads like a novel, or a script for a softporn movie, not sure yet LOL. Somehow it is mind boggeling to read about a women wanting to "get it on" year after year in and even past a marrige, and simply having a very high sexdrive. For most this stops or at least slows down very much after the first one or two years in a relationship. I think you described it well, it is the perfect relationship until you arrive at the moment in time you want "something" more/deeper.
Initially, because they're horny. Women are aware of this and use it to get them to sign that marriage certificate (a legally binding financial contract).
You want to keep all your money and toys?
NEVER get married... NEVER have kids.
most men are total pussies!!!
women are scammers and have kid man doesnt want
seems like in the past 20yrs, we've witnessed the Pussification of many men in America.....and it's getting worse
Good points.
BUT, why is it a lot of get-biggers call me a "beta-male" for divorcing two of 'em over the issue. WTF?
Great question and I've answered that a couple times, but forum posts are easy to miss.
I tried to get one years ago, right after my first marriage.
The doc told me I was too young to get one , especially since I never had kids.
It's very hard for men to resist women in general.
Women know this and they are quite manipulative. Socially way smarter than men.
Women can make many men do anything they want... including kids.
And we don't trust in ourselves enough. We know any woman can get as many men as they want. But we fear deep inside we won't ever get another woman if we loose the one we managed to get. So we take their orders.
Not talking about alphas here but us normal men.
Let me get this straight - the doc talked to you, then he still thought it was a good idea for you to pass on your genes? :D
If you dont want kids, stay on androgens year round. I was with my ex for 3yrs before she finally got pregnant (after 2 5000iu hcg shots). Thats after having sex well over 1000x if not 1200, unprotected everytime. And back then i wasnt even using heavy doses... At least not till aftervthe first baby... Then 6 months later she was pregnant again (after 2 more 5000iu hcg shots), that was on 7g/wk. The others i was either off or took clomid for a few days to blow huge loads. Lol... Out of 124-127(?) girls since 2011, only 2 girls got pregnant, and those happened when i was off or hadbtaken a lil clomid.... ALL unprotected. Honestly, ive only wrapped it up once for about the first 3mins the firstbtime with my ex, till i took that shit off. LolI feel like you and that Whitewidow character would get along very well.
I'm not talking about guys that want to be dads.
No, I'm referring to the countless beta males that cave in to female pressure.
I've known numerous old friends , gym bros, and unknown guys that had kids and seem miserable.
Some are divorced, paying child support and are pissed off about it.
I see these poor bastards on weekends in some Burger King parking lot.
They are getting the brats for the weekend , dropped of by some bitter ex-wife.
She looks pissed off, resentful and has zero respect for him.
He looks beat down and has the life force sucked out of him.
I've asked ( when I can) WHY they had kids in the first place.
Most admit they didn't really want to and it just "happened".
Some admit the woman really wanted kids and they just went along with it.
Lots of the dudes with kids, often say how bad the sex life with their wife is.
Again and again, I hear the same , sad tale.
Married life was a lot more fun BEFORE the kids came.
Many that don't divorce, hunker down for a life of quiet desperation.
Why?
BUT, only a real man, admits it and then does the hard work to go forward the right way.
For the record I fully support the vast majority of Getbiggers that never want to have children.
For the record I fully support the vast majority of Getbiggers that never want to have children.I see what you did bro, I see it 8)