Why do so many dudes cave in to females and have kids ?

[Henda]

You seem happy and honest about the parenting experience.
That's rare and refreshing.
Thanks for the honest reply.

Truthfully I was far from happy when found out she was expecting my first kid, didn't have the talked about magical feeling of overwhelming happiness at the birth either and for the first few months thought what the fuck is this all about putting up with crying baby and a round the bend post natal woman, after a while it just clicked into place and couldn't be without the kid, later had my little girl and adored her from day one, but the whole thing was never the picture perfect shit that is portrayed

[Justicio]

^^good post and welcome to the Thunderdome bitch!!!!!!!
Judging by your post you are a pretty young lad.  Be carefull to judge to fast about how other people live or have lived theire life. Every one of those "selfish" posters might have a backstory you are not aware of. your girlfriend could turn like a leaf btw regarding to when she wants kids. At 23 she can not know how she wil think/feel about this a couple of years down the road ( it a biological thing).

Thanks buddy. Happy to be here (posting, that is) 
You give good advice. Hard to judge strangers on the internet. My point still stands though regarding selfish living. It's for some and not for others. Hopefully this young lad can learn from some seasoned veterans here.

[gothorium]

Having kids would be my worst nightmare!
How can you do it guys?
Do you know how BORED you will be?

[ESFitness]

Thanks and in all modesty, that's how I feel.

(AGAIN) , I see NOTHING wrong with a man who wants children and loves being a dad.
That's alpha as well.

BUT, I'm talking about those that didn't and caved in .


Or worse, guys that think I'm dumb for getting divorced and they remain in an unhappy marriage.

x2

All mine are "accidental", but not once would i ever tell or want the girl to have an abortion. I still have maybe 2 left in me, provided one is a girl. Lol

[Master Blaster]

Howard convincing himself that kids are not necessary is not interesting.

The TOPIC is interesting, but sadly Howard is not.

[wes]

I practiced a lot .....2 marriages but no kids.

I think the booze killed my sperm cells.

[Zillotch]

All mine are "accidental", but not once would i ever tell or want the girl to have an abortion. I still have maybe 2 left in me, provided one is a girl. Lol

quit while ur ahead

[Voice of Doom]

Howard, you're not fooling anybody. The reason you refuse to have kids is not because you're some 'alpha' male - it's because you're an 'ethical pedophile' and a narcissist. You don't trust yourself around children and you also have the tendency to become very bitter and passive-aggressive towards your partners if they don't pay enough attention to you. You will never love anything or anyone more than yourself, and that is why you will never have a successful, long-lasting marriage. HTH.

^^^That....and he's clearly gay.

[tres_taco_combo]

so many girls pull the goalie on dudes. there is a lot of whoops!

50% are unplanned, I think the unplanned part kills a man's soul. men are about timing, when they are ready to settle down, have kids, men hate the unexpected events like an unwanted pregnancy.

interesting topic and less about Howard's life

[tres_taco_combo]

These are the best women to have kids with, they might not be attractive but that is not the point if you want your kid to have a chance to be mr olympia he needs the best genes possible.

I did go on a date with a sprinter from Jamaica. she was built like a racehorse.  I was so curious I had to go out with her, i could have made an amazing mixed baby who would be an NFL tightend

[Slapper]

Why don't you ask your dad?

[Hypertrophy]

I was resistant to my wife having babies and held her off for 7 years. We finally did and had two over the span of three years. Glad I did - they both are my pride and joy now. But I had to accomplish certain personal goals first (business/sport) and then I was cool with it. We had long talks and agreed to hold off.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Howard convincing himself that kids are not necessary is not interesting.

The TOPIC is interesting, but sadly Howard is not.

Considering how many times he has spoke about this topic, I'm getting the impression that either Howard regrets not having them or doesn't like the fact that he knows he'd be a negligent father if he had them because of his understanding of himself being very self-absorbed. The same sort of seeming resentment and disappointment comes through in his posts discussing his love-hate dilemma with bodybuilding.

[gothorium]

I was resistant to my wife having babies and held her off for 7 years. We finally did and had two over the span of three years. Glad I did - they both are my pride and joy now. But I had to accomplish certain personal goals first (business/sport) and then I was cool with it. We had long talks and agreed to hold off.

I notice married guys hate single guys.
Did that feeling grow in you?
Do you feel single guys are lazy and not upstanding men?

[local hero]

As stated earlier, why didn't Howie get the snip years ago if he felt so strongly?...

A woman that doesn't want kids is an exception and even the majority of those exceptions are just telling you what you want to hear until they have a 'change of mind'

[Kwon]

most men are total pussies!!!

women are scammers and have kid man doesnt want

WOMEN ARE SCAMMERS!


WOMEN ARE CLAMMERS!

kids of peace



bearded clam of peace

[Kwon]

Great reminder and info!

However, if you're a male under 35 that never had kids, it's tough to get a legit surgeon to perform the procedure. I inquired about having it done before my 2nd marriage, years ago and was advised to wait.

My (current) wife wanted her "tubes tied" in her late 20's and was refused because she didn't give birth yet.

Now we're old farts and she's menopause and I'm likely shooting "dish water" (low sperm count), so WTF.

Old farts of peace!

Happy Valentine's Day Howie!

[Fortress]

I'm a romantic and would like to be married and have kids, but reality is, most women are insane and ruin a man's life and society no longer makes it feasible to have children without a severe hit to lifestyle/economic stability.

Not to mention femininsm (devised by Jew elites so the other 50 percent would also be paying income tax) forcing females into the working rat race, and therefore wrecking her prime mandate to take care of the home, man and kids.

Everything's gone straight to shit. I love my kids too much to have them and subject them to an era of betas, libtards, cucks, feminists, diversity/multiculturalism, "proud" fa ggots, Muslim invasion, etc.

[gothorium]

I prefer to fuck a variety of women. 

[tres_taco_combo]

I notice married guys hate single guys.
Did that feeling grow in you?
Do you feel single guys are lazy and not upstanding men?

married dudes hate that I am single.. it was my fellow bankers who were all married and I was the single one/still am

[tres_taco_combo]

there is an interesting book on this topic - I really recommend it

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me, i would like a life partner but I feel too young at the moment so its not a priority, I am gonna compete over the next 3-5 years and do some serious world traveling and i am not going to compromise either, plus I signed up to do some volunteer work and be a good son to my mother (who is older)

a serious relationship...either its all or none - most chics are a 24/7 job

[Mr Anabolic]

Initially, because they're horny.  Women are aware of this and use it to get them to sign that marriage certificate (a legally binding financial contract).

You want to keep all your money and toys? 

NEVER get married... NEVER have kids.

[loco]

Howard,

Why didn't you get a vasectomy?  Afraid to commit to not having kids?  Afraid of the simple and safe procedure?

[Hack Benchers]

Ok, since you asked, she developed a real urge to be a "swinger" 5-6 years AFTER we got married.
Plus, she wanted to live in separate places but spend weekends , vacations and 1 evening a week together.

She was a  national board certified psychologist with a PhD and very intelligent.
She had a really high sex drive, dry sense of humor and was laid back.
It was her idea that a couple could avoid the daily tedious parts of weekday life, by living in separate locations.
Plus, she believed that sex was exciting , fun and didn't always need to be about "making love".

To me, this wasn't my idea of marriage, and I didn't feel comfortable with "swinging".
So, we divorced on good terms.

A year after the divorce, we were both single and I tried her idea without the swinging part.
It was pretty good for a couple years. The first night I went over, she greeted me wearing only a matching bra/panty set and heels. Needless to say, the sex life was great and always was  .

We also spent some memorable ,lazy weekends together. Plus, we had several fun vacations in the US Virgin Islands. After a couple years of this situation, I was driving home , after a weeknight of good sex.
It was a warm summer night and I began to feel alone in the car.

The next day, I called her up and told her I couldn't stay in our current relationship.
For me, there were too many empty , lonely times.
We even met for lunch the next day and had one last meal together.
We ended our romantic life ,but left with a deeper understanding and mutual respect .

Within 2 months, by ( current) wife would circle back into my life.

Howard this a mighty interesting post. Excellent! It reads like a novel, or a script for a softporn movie, not sure yet LOL. Somehow it is mind boggeling to read about a women wanting to "get it on" year after year in and even past a marrige, and simply having a very high sexdrive. For most this stops or at least slows down very much after the first one or two years in a relationship. I think you described it well, it is the perfect relationship until you arrive at the moment in time you want "something" more/deeper.

[Hack Benchers]

Yup!

In fact, I caught up with wife #2, a couple years AFTER we divorced.
She was living with a divorced man with young twin girls ( age 3?).

So no kids of here own? And the first wife, did she have kids?
Do you keep in touch or are those ex-wives totally out of sight?