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Is this the beggining of the end or a blip on the Trump radar?
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What are the odds of impeachment during Trump's first term?
Question for Trump backers:
Hypothetically, is there any indisputable evidence that could be revealed re Trump & Russia that would make you say that Donald has to GTFO of the Oval Office? (if so, what?) Or are ya with him come hell or high water?
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what are the odds of impeachment during Trump's first term?
If the process started within the Senate, I'd say it would be a possibility. However, it starts in the House and that makes the process a lot harder for democrats/neocons, especially after 2018 ;)
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For someone who claims to be winning, Trump sure is losing so often.
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I had hoped he would become more "Presidential" once elected, he hasn't.
When the whole world is watching your every move, you have to pick your battles. His pettiness hurts his ability to focus on the major issues.
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Already best president of all TIME!
MAGA!!
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Catholicism and its whinny tribal aftereffects should be suppressed.
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Already best president of all TIME!
MAGA!!
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Killed it at the press conference today. It was hilarious how bad he crushed the fake media. Vintage Trump. That's the guy who got elected.
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Killed it at the press conference today. It was hilarious how bad he crushed the fake media. Vintage Trump. That's the guy who got elected.
I think we watched two different things.
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Killed it at the press conference today. It was hilarious how bad he crushed the fake media. Vintage Trump. That's the guy who got elected.
I give him credit for being much more transparent than Obama, manning up and answering questions, and punching the media in the mouth.
Only thing I really didn't like was saying he inherited a mess, i.e., blaming Obama. Obama did that for his entire presidency (blaming Bush). Pretty weak move by Trump.
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I give him credit for being much more transparent than Obama, manning up and answering questions, and punching the media in the mouth.
Only thing I really didn't like was saying he inherited a mess, i.e., blaming Obama. Obama did that for his entire presidency (blaming Bush). Pretty weak move by Trump.
Exactly.
You can't keep pointing fingers. Obama did it and it was weak.
He punched the media but I don't think you can call reporting unfair.
Did the media make any of this up? Serious question. If they did, fine, talk about them being dishonest. I'm with that, but as far as I can tell, the news is just reporting on things. They aren't making it up.
Are we saying it's all made up?
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As soon as Trump said he was supporting Israel it all became clear that yet again the USA was fooled by another jewish puppet. I can see a conflict or war within the next couple of years happening, because American foreign policy with Israel holding the reins will never let the world be at peace.
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Exactly.
You can't keep pointing fingers. Obama did it and it was weak.
He punched the media but I don't think you can call reporting unfair.
Did the media make any of this up? Serious question. If they did, fine, talk about them being dishonest. I'm with that, but as far as I can tell, the news is just reporting on things. They aren't making it up.
Are we saying it's all made up?
He's overstating things when he calls CNN fake news, but he's right about the bias. They hate that man. It's dripping all over their coverage, from the headlines, to the stories they cover.
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I think we watched two different things.
That's expected and a good sign.
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He's overstating things when he calls CNN fake news, but he's right about the bias. They hate that man. It's dripping all over their coverage, from the headlines, to the stories they cover.
Bias I agree, not sure about "hate". Maybe they hate some of the things have attached to him.
That said. They definitely do not like him. That is obvious. So definitely a lot of bias at times, but when he says "fake news" he starts to lose credibility.
That's expected and a good sign.
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I give him credit for being much more transparent than Obama, manning up and answering questions, and punching the media in the mouth.
Only thing I really didn't like was saying he inherited a mess, i.e., blaming Obama. Obama did that for his entire presidency (blaming Bush). Pretty weak move by Trump.
I have no problem him blasting Obama. He actually is waaay to magnanimous towards the guy since he became president. Someone has to as it wasn't pointed out clearly during his presidency except by few. However, the people spoke about his legacy in the voting booth but many got fooled.
He did inherit a mess. I have no great feelings for Bush or Obama, but Obama was absolutely awful. Obama is responsible for an extreme amount of the mess we are in. He took the mess before and blew it up 1000 fold.
I didn't hear everything in the news conference but heard a lot of it. I did hear him say that the mess was going on years before Obama at one point. Don't remember the exact circumstance on when he said that. May have been on inner city issues, but not sure.
Edit: I think I may get what you are saying now. The phrasing could sound a bit like he is making excuses if things don't go well so could have been phrased a bit better, but I still have no issue with him calling out someone who needs to be called out/got many passes from the media, etc.
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Yes, impeach because he's making good on his campaign promises that he was voted in for. His approval is at 55% and the markets are climbing. The ultimate goal for the IS impeachment that happens then who takes over? Pence.
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Bias I agree, not sure about "hate". Maybe they hate some of the things have attached to him.
That said. They definitely do not like him. That is obvious. So definitely a lot of bias at times, but when he says "fake news" he starts to lose credibility.
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I won't quibble over hate vs dislike, but they clearly don't like him. I agree that repeatedly calling them fake news damages his credibility. He needs to learn how to lighten up, but I'm not sure he can.
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We didn't elect Trump because everything was going right and dandy...
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I won't quibble over hate vs dislike, but they clearly don't like him. I agree that repeatedly calling them fake news damages his credibility. He needs to learn how to lighten up, but I'm not sure he can.
That's a problem. If he had come out said the buck stops here and said look everything I've done may not make everyone happy, but it's what I think is for the best for the country I would give him a lot more props and it would have helped his credibility.
As it stands it looks week.
We are in agreement a lot of the media doesn't like him. The media isn't making him act or say things in a certain way though.
We didn't elect Trump because everything was going right and dandy...
Trump got elected because people hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.
He won the primaries because he said the right things to rally the base.
I do not think he can be successful continuing this trajectory.
Yes, impeach because he's making good on his campaign promises that he was voted in for. His approval is at 55% and the markets are climbing. The ultimate goal for the IS impeachment that happens then who takes over? Pence.
The markets are climbing? So what.
They climbed under Obama. That doesn't mean it's great. The markets are one measure, that I personally think are inflated, of economic success.
They are not the end all be all.
Obama markets rise. It's a lie. UE is 5%. It's a lie.
Trump markets rise. UE 5%. He's doing great. .
No. The economy is doing well now. That's a fact. It's not because of Obama or Trump.
There are many reasons and presidents are gifted being in office during those times.
Trump can fix his issues. He has a chance, but he has to stop pointing fingers and needs to accept some responsibility for the way he reacts.
I still want him to succeed. Failure of a president means failure of the nation. Failure of the economy. Failure of policy.
I want more from my country. You should too. We all should.
That means he needs to stop getting in pissing contests with the media.
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Trump got elected because people hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.
He won the primaries because he said the right things to rally the base.
I do not think he can be successful continuing this trajectory.
He's attempting to do everything that he promised he'd do.
What trajectory are you talking about?
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He's attempting to do everything that he promised he'd do.
What trajectory are you talking about?
His seemingly desire to pass the buck and blame everyone else for any little issue that comes along.
If he is having this type of problem now, what happens when the shit really hits the fan?
It's the media that makes policy now?
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His seemingly desire to pass the buck and blame everyone else for any little issue that comes along.
If he is having this type of problem now, what happens when the shit really hits the fan?
It's the media that makes policy now?
What blame should he be taking? I'm just curious.
In the media firestorm he's currently under, if you give them an inch they will do their best to hang you. If he takes blame for anything, they will broadcast that "failure" to no end.
And in terms of the "I inherited" quote, I thought he did a good job highlighting all the mess that we are in as a nation. He even said some of it goes back before Obama. It's a bit of a double standard for the media to get upset because we all can remember the "previous administration" comments from Obama (well FOXNews got upset about that, but that's FOXNews)
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His seemingly desire to pass the buck and blame everyone else for any little issue that comes along.
If he is having this type of problem now, what happens when the shit really hits the fan?
It's the media that makes policy now?
Care to give an example?
Trump has been in office less than a month. So Obama's mess is still lingering and will for a long time. I think the biggest failure of the Obama administration was the worsening race relations. That by far has been the biggest fuck up. And Obama stoked it with his comments and the actions of Holder etc. Obamacare is almost just as big a fuck up. Trump had nothing to do with these failures. It is now left to him to try and bring people together which will be tough considering the left is still in the divisive Obama mode.
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What blame should he be taking? I'm just curious.
In the media firestorm he's currently under, if you give them an inch they will do their best to hang you. If he takes blame for anything, they will broadcast that "failure" to no end.
And in terms of the "I inherited" quote, I thought he did a good job highlighting all the mess that we are in as a nation. He even said some of it goes back before Obama. It's a bit of a double standard for the media to get upset because we all can remember the "previous administration" comments from Obama (well FOXNews got upset about that, but that's FOXNews)
Well. Reports are that he knew about conversations with Russia and didn't tell his VP.
Should we not also take him to task on certain untruths he's said as well? Like lying about the murder rate in the country among other things.
Like I said. I want him to succeed. His success is our success and the success of the nation and sure I understand that the media isn't being extremely kind to him, but maybe, just maybe he should focus on things that will help the nation?
The pipeline order? 3500 temp jobs. 32 permanent ones.
The nation's issues are not black and white where if you do X then Y will occur, the fundamental blocks of the nation and in turn, the world are much more complex.
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Care to give an example?
Trump has been in office less than a month. So Obama's mess is still lingering and will for a long time. I think the biggest failure of the Obama administration was the worsening race relations. That by far has been the biggest fuck up. And Obama stoked it with his comments and the actions of Holder etc. Obamacare is almost just as big a fuck up. Trump had nothing to do with these failures. It is now left to him to try and bring people together which will be tough considering the left is still in the divisive Obama mode.
No argument about Obama doing harm to race relations.
Many times he should have just stay quiet. Instead he got loud and caused problems.
That said, the race issue isn't just on Obama. It's on a lot of people. On both sides.
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Well. Reports are that he knew about conversations with Russia and didn't tell his VP.
Should we not also take him to task on certain untruths he's said as well? Like lying about the murder rate in the country among other things.
Like I said. I want him to succeed. His success is our success and the success of the nation and sure I understand that the media isn't being extremely kind to him, but maybe, just maybe he should focus on things that will help the nation?
The pipeline order? 3500 temp jobs. 32 permanent ones.
The nation's issues are not black and white where if you do X then Y will occur, the fundamental blocks of the nation and in turn, the world are much more complex.
Do you know the exact conversation between Flynn and the Russians? Am I missing something here?
Yes, journalists should take him to task about the untruths he tells... much more than stating (and lying) that the intelligence community will refuse to give Trump information because they don't trust his Russian ties (WSJ). The intelligence officials came out and said that was blatantly false, but they printed it anyway.
We are in agreement that the media needs to change its TONE... damn... that sounds familiar, seems like I heard that at a recent news conference.
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Do you know the exact conversation between Flynn and the Russians? Am I missing something here?
Yes, journalists should take him to task about the untruths he tells... much more than stating (and lying) that the intelligence community will refuse to give Trump information because they don't trust his Russian ties (WSJ). The intelligence officials came out and said that was blatantly false, but they printed it anyway.
We are in agreement that the media needs to change its TONE... damn... that sounds familiar, seems like I heard that at a recent news conference.
I don't know the conversations but apparently Trump did. Then didn't tell his own VP what he knew.
Yes. The media does need to change, but so does he. The media is protected by the Constitution, rightly so, and it would behoove Trump to remember that.
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Oh brother - Howard really?! After 1 month? There is no rough patch for Trump. Only hurdles put up by the left and the dishonest media. The immigration issue as an example. You can use this analogy. Trump built a brand new road and the left came and added a bunch of potholes. They created a rough patch - not Trump!
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I have no problem him blasting Obama. He actually is waaay to magnanimous towards the guy since he became president. Someone has to as it wasn't pointed out clearly during his presidency except by few. However, the people spoke about his legacy in the voting booth but many got fooled.
He did inherit a mess. I have no great feelings for Bush or Obama, but Obama was absolutely awful. Obama is responsible for an extreme amount of the mess we are in. He took the mess before and blew it up 1000 fold.
I didn't hear everything in the news conference but heard a lot of it. I did hear him say that the mess was going on years before Obama at one point. Don't remember the exact circumstance on when he said that. May have been on inner city issues, but not sure.
Edit: I think I may get what you are saying now. The phrasing could sound a bit like he is making excuses if things don't go well so could have been phrased a bit better, but I still have no issue with him calling out someone who needs to be called out/got many passes from the media, etc.
I agree Obama was an unmitigated disaster as president. But I think you do understand what I'm saying as indicated in your last paragraph. It's really just about how bad this sounds. He shouldn't in any way act like Obama and that includes not using that tired "Bush's fault" line.
I think Trump has already shown he is a better leader than Obama by orders of magnitude. Just looking at how he handled Flynn shows what a good leader should do. He shouldn't water that down by sounding like a whiner.
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I agree Obama was an unmitigated disaster as president. But I think you do understand what I'm saying as indicated in your last paragraph. It's really just about how bad this sounds. He shouldn't in any way act like Obama and that includes not using that tired "Bush's fault" line.
I think Trump has already shown he is a better leader than Obama by orders of magnitude. Just looking at how he handled Flynn shows what a good leader should do. He shouldn't water that down by sounding like a whiner.
I somewhat disagree with the last part.
The media is incredibly unpopular.
Just like how the Von Erichs used to run The Fabulous Freebirds out of the wrestling ring to the delight of the crowd, Trump needs to attack the media at every chance possible. It's only smart politics.
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I somewhat disagree with the last part.
The media is incredibly unpopular.
Just like how the Von Erichs used to run The Fabulous Freebirds out of the wrestling ring to the delight of the crowd, Trump needs to attack the media at every chance possible. It's only smart politics.
Sorry I wasn't clear. I agree with him calling the media out. I was talking about him saying he inherited a mess. That's what makes him sound like a whiner.
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any fool can fire
it takes skill to hire
Catchy, but you have to know who to fire, when to fire, and how to do it. Same with hiring.
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yes it is catchy but one might expect an experienced business man and one with such skill as to win the US presidential election (supposedly the most testing democratic election in the western world) to be able to put and hold together a team fit for purpose and in this case the purpose is not a private corporation. besides isn't it a bit early in a presidential term to be defending ones record. And when done with blaming the nasty media (or the parts we don't like) can it be repeated incessantly?
He is doing an outstanding job of putting his team together.
He is being defensive, because he is constantly being attacked. He needs to stop, but that's just who he is, I imagine he'll keep doing it.
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The OP is a cock burp.
So Kellyanne Conway stood in front of a microphone and told the truth, the liberal boycott of the clothing was petty, and lame.
Obama stood there and said he and Eric Holder were not involved in Operation Fast & Furious.
See the difference kiddies? Even a fat closet homo with a two year associates degree in physics could figure that out.
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Anybody here remember ANY president under so much scrutiny by the press?
When Bush Jr. became the president he wanted to invade Iraq a second time come hell or high water, reason or not, justified or unjustified. He did, and not only that, he was helped tremendously by the press in succeeding to bring the case to the UN. Of course, Big Oil was behind the oil play.
Trump is a schmuck who isn't getting financed by any Big Anything, hence the media are having a field day. Trumps support is what folks on the left call "grassroots support".
Remember this?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Powell_UN_Iraq_presentation,_alleged_Mobile_Production_Facilities.jpg)
This is ALL the CIA director and the Secretary of State took to the UN council to state their case. The US media's reaction the next day? "Slam Dunk Case". Shut the lights, close the door.