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Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« on: February 15, 2017, 09:51:50 AM »

Is this the beggining of the end or a blip on the Trump radar?  

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 10:16:42 AM »
What are the odds of impeachment during Trump's first term?  

Question for Trump backers:  
Hypothetically, is there any indisputable evidence that could be revealed re Trump & Russia that would make you say that Donald has to GTFO of the Oval Office? (if so, what?) Or are ya with him come hell or high water?

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 10:25:59 AM »
what are the odds of impeachment during Trump's first term? 


If the process started within the Senate, I'd say it would be a possibility. However, it starts in the House and that makes the process a lot harder for democrats/neocons, especially after 2018  ;)
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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 10:27:03 AM »
For someone who claims to be winning, Trump sure is losing so often.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 10:32:23 AM »
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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 10:43:39 AM »
I had hoped he would become more "Presidential" once elected, he hasn't.

When the whole world is watching your every move, you have to pick your battles. His pettiness hurts his ability to focus on the major issues.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2017, 12:25:01 PM »


Already best president of all TIME!

MAGA!!

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2017, 12:56:01 PM »


Catholicism and its whinny tribal aftereffects should be suppressed.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2017, 12:59:35 PM »


Already best president of all TIME!

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2017, 01:06:02 PM »

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2017, 01:15:54 PM »
Killed it at the press conference today. It was hilarious how bad he crushed the fake media. Vintage Trump. That's the guy who got elected.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2017, 01:16:45 PM »
Killed it at the press conference today. It was hilarious how bad he crushed the fake media. Vintage Trump. That's the guy who got elected.

I think we watched two different things.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2017, 01:21:40 PM »
Killed it at the press conference today. It was hilarious how bad he crushed the fake media. Vintage Trump. That's the guy who got elected.

I give him credit for being much more transparent than Obama, manning up and answering questions, and punching the media in the mouth. 

Only thing I really didn't like was saying he inherited a mess, i.e., blaming Obama.  Obama did that for his entire presidency (blaming Bush).  Pretty weak move by Trump. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2017, 01:24:46 PM »
I give him credit for being much more transparent than Obama, manning up and answering questions, and punching the media in the mouth. 

Only thing I really didn't like was saying he inherited a mess, i.e., blaming Obama.  Obama did that for his entire presidency (blaming Bush).  Pretty weak move by Trump. 

Exactly.

You can't keep pointing fingers. Obama did it and it was weak.

He punched the media but I don't think you can call reporting unfair.

Did the media make any of this up? Serious question. If they did, fine, talk about them being dishonest. I'm with that, but as far as I can tell, the news is just reporting on things. They aren't making it up.

Are we saying it's all made up?

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2017, 01:31:43 PM »
As soon as Trump said he was supporting Israel it all became clear that yet again the USA was fooled by another jewish puppet. I can see a conflict or war within the next couple of years happening, because American foreign policy with Israel holding the reins will never let the world be at peace.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2017, 01:34:20 PM »
Exactly.

You can't keep pointing fingers. Obama did it and it was weak.

He punched the media but I don't think you can call reporting unfair.

Did the media make any of this up? Serious question. If they did, fine, talk about them being dishonest. I'm with that, but as far as I can tell, the news is just reporting on things. They aren't making it up.

Are we saying it's all made up?

He's overstating things when he calls CNN fake news, but he's right about the bias.  They hate that man.  It's dripping all over their coverage, from the headlines, to the stories they cover. 

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2017, 01:35:02 PM »
I think we watched two different things.
That's expected and a good sign.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2017, 01:44:53 PM »
He's overstating things when he calls CNN fake news, but he's right about the bias.  They hate that man.  It's dripping all over their coverage, from the headlines, to the stories they cover. 

Bias I agree, not sure about "hate". Maybe they hate some of the things have attached to him.

That said. They definitely do not like him. That is obvious. So definitely a lot of bias at times, but when he says "fake news" he starts to lose credibility.

That's expected and a good sign.
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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2017, 01:45:49 PM »
I give him credit for being much more transparent than Obama, manning up and answering questions, and punching the media in the mouth.  

Only thing I really didn't like was saying he inherited a mess, i.e., blaming Obama.  Obama did that for his entire presidency (blaming Bush).  Pretty weak move by Trump.  
I have no problem him blasting Obama. He actually is waaay to magnanimous towards the guy since he became president. Someone has to as it wasn't pointed out clearly during his presidency except by few. However, the people spoke about his legacy in the voting booth but many got fooled.

He did inherit a mess. I have no great feelings for Bush or Obama, but Obama was absolutely awful. Obama is responsible for an extreme amount of the mess we are in. He took the mess before and blew it up 1000 fold.

I didn't hear everything in the news conference but heard a lot of it. I did hear him say that the mess was going on years before Obama at one point. Don't remember the exact circumstance on when he said that. May have been on inner city issues, but not sure.

Edit: I think I may get what you are saying now. The phrasing could sound a bit like he is making excuses if things don't go well so could have been phrased a bit better, but I still have no issue with him calling out someone who needs to be called out/got many passes from the media, etc.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2017, 01:49:12 PM »
Yes, impeach because he's making good on his campaign promises that he was voted in for. His approval is at 55% and the markets are climbing. The ultimate goal for the IS impeachment that happens then who takes over? Pence.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2017, 01:54:52 PM »
Bias I agree, not sure about "hate". Maybe they hate some of the things have attached to him.

That said. They definitely do not like him. That is obvious. So definitely a lot of bias at times, but when he says "fake news" he starts to lose credibility.
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I won't quibble over hate vs dislike, but they clearly don't like him.  I agree that repeatedly calling them fake news damages his credibility.  He needs to learn how to lighten up, but I'm not sure he can.   

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2017, 01:55:08 PM »
We didn't elect Trump because everything was going right and dandy...
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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2017, 02:10:35 PM »
I won't quibble over hate vs dislike, but they clearly don't like him.  I agree that repeatedly calling them fake news damages his credibility.  He needs to learn how to lighten up, but I'm not sure he can.   

That's a problem. If he had come out said the buck stops here and said look everything I've done may not make everyone happy, but it's what I think is for the best for the country I would give him a lot more props and it would have helped his credibility.

As it stands it looks week.

We are in agreement a lot of the media doesn't like him. The media isn't making him act or say things in a certain way though.

We didn't elect Trump because everything was going right and dandy...

Trump got elected because people hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.

He won the primaries because he said the right things to rally the base.

I do not think he can be successful continuing this trajectory.

Yes, impeach because he's making good on his campaign promises that he was voted in for. His approval is at 55% and the markets are climbing. The ultimate goal for the IS impeachment that happens then who takes over? Pence.

The markets are climbing? So what.

They climbed under Obama. That doesn't mean it's great. The markets are one measure, that I personally think are inflated, of economic success.

They are not the end all be all.

Obama markets rise. It's a lie. UE is 5%. It's a lie.
Trump markets rise. UE 5%. He's doing great. .

No. The economy is doing well now. That's a fact. It's not because of Obama or Trump.

There are many reasons and presidents are gifted being in office during those times.

Trump can fix his issues. He has a chance, but he has to stop pointing fingers and needs to accept some responsibility for the way he reacts.

I still want him to succeed. Failure of a president means failure of the nation. Failure of the economy. Failure of policy.

I want more from my country. You should too. We all should.

That means he needs to stop getting in pissing contests with the media.

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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2017, 02:13:06 PM »

Trump got elected because people hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.

He won the primaries because he said the right things to rally the base.

I do not think he can be successful continuing this trajectory.



He's attempting to do everything that he promised he'd do.

What trajectory are you talking about?
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Re: Beginning of the end , or just a rough patch for team Trump?
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2017, 02:15:00 PM »
He's attempting to do everything that he promised he'd do.

What trajectory are you talking about?

His seemingly desire to pass the buck and blame everyone else for any little issue that comes along.

If he is having this type of problem now, what happens when the shit really hits the fan?

It's the media that makes policy now?