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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on March 15, 2017, 03:34:12 PM
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THIS is what made all cars look the same. FINALLY we can make some cool shit again as these moronic MPG standards are relaxed along with other safety bullshit.
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I saw he was going to look over changing the criteria if he does go through with it - it'll be interesting to see what the car manufacturers do. Remember though the hummer h2 bankrupt GM and the excursion was a no-go for Ford.
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And making US cars heavier than pigs. My damn Challenger weighs as much as a damned truck.
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The fuel mileage rules got progressively tougher. Glad he got rid of them. We would all be driving tiny 100 horse power cars in a decade. If you want to drive a 500 horse power care more power to you.
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What a stupid thread. There are so many phenomenal cars on the market now. Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, all put out great products. CAFE has nothing to do with the US making shit cars.
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What a stupid thread. There are so many phenomenal cars on the market now. Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, all put out great products. CAFE has nothing to do with the US making shit cars.
You lease an Audi that is worthless that you will NEVER own. Shut your moronic pie hole up. BMW`s are all garbages by the way.
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What a stupid thread. There are so many phenomenal cars on the market now. Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, all put out great products. CAFE has nothing to do with the US making shit cars.
Actually those German makes u mentioned make great cars still but all have reverted to turbos and no more big motor naturally aspirated motors like they used to build, like the v10 M5, v8 M3, 6.2 Mercedes, v8 and v10 audis, and all the boxsters and cayman Porsches are all 4 cylinder turbos, etc...
From a enthusiast stand point, cars were better back then, but from a technology side it's better now obviously
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Actually those German makes u mentioned make great cars still but all have reverted to turbos and no more big motor naturally aspirated motors like they used to build, like the v10 M5, v8 M3, 6.2 Mercedes, v8 and v10 audis, and all the boxsters and cayman Porsches are all 4 cylinder turbos, etc...
From a enthusiast stand point, cars were better back then, but from a technology side it's better now obviously
No shit. They have taken the fun out of all cars.
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You lease an Audi that is worthless that you will NEVER own. Shut your moronic pie hole up. BMW`s are all garbages by the way.
I'd rather lease my daily driver and get something new every couple of years. Some cars are worth owning but they are few and far between. You wouldn't know which ones.
BMWs are all garbage? Who is the moron?
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Actually those German makes u mentioned make great cars still but all have reverted to turbos and no more big motor naturally aspirated motors like they used to build, like the v10 M5, v8 M3, 6.2 Mercedes, v8 and v10 audis, and all the boxsters and cayman Porsches are all 4 cylinder turbos, etc...
From a enthusiast stand point, cars were better back then, but from a technology side it's better now obviously
These cars are quicker, handle better, ride better and safer.
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These cars are quicker, handle better, ride better and safer.
I understand that and I did state that about technology and modern cars
But car enthusiasts understand the older cars are better for driving, feel, sound, regardless of emissions, gas mileage, safety, etc
Reason why car guys love older 60's muscle cars, or euro cars like Ferrari f40, 50 and so on
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Anyone saying an all motor car is the only way to have fun hasn't driven a properly sorted turbo car with comparable power. I embrace the new turbo car era we are seeing. Forced induction is the only way to make big power and make it daily drivable.
for example. Start at 13:30 [ Invalid YouTube link ]
That car has a totally stock motor. Just a single turbo kit, and upgraded fueling and tune. No cams, no forged pistons or rods, nothing internal done. Straight up bolt on stuff. For 15k or less, the 335i is the best car for your money if you want power. Throw another 10-12k at it and you can be making this level of power and be destroying any mercedes AMG, audi rs or bmw m car on the street, plus making everything american look slow hellcat included. And you can daily it.
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I understand that and appreciate all the cars you mention.
However, if the idiot who started this thread thinks that rolling back CAFE and other regulations is somehow going to help the American auto industry he is stupider than he looks.
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Turbo LAG sucks, and has completely ruined the car industry by standardizing on 4 cylinder turbo's in an effort to appease European regulations.
I have a supercharged v6 and it delivers power both instantly and smoothly.
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European influence on American Cars from the 90s to the 2000s has been shit and ruined US cars.
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I understand that and I did state that about technology and modern cars
But car enthusiasts understand the older cars are better for driving, feel, sound, regardless of emissions, gas mileage, safety, etc
Reason why car guys love older 60's muscle cars, or euro cars like Ferrari f40, 50 and so on
Totally untrue, you must be wildly out of touch with the car scene at the moment. Only people turning up to car shows and meets these days with the old school 'classics' are old guys. Those classics are way out of reach for most enthusiasts price wise, and honestly they aren't better than what is available today. They have large inefficient motors with terrible hp:displacement ratios, ancient suspension systems and weigh as much as a yacht. The day of the big block muscle car being the best is long gone except in drag racing.
Classic Ferrari? You're looking at millions which 99% don't have. Laughable to think a car enthusiast these days gives a shit about something they can't realistically ever own.
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Nice car ... for a Mexican.
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Nice car ... for a guy.
You will NEVER have a car as good as the 1959 Cadillac Coupe De Ville I owned. Never.
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Totally untrue, you must be wildly out of touch with the car scene at the moment. Only people turning up to car shows and meets these days with the old school 'classics' are old guys. Those classics are way out of reach for most enthusiasts price wise, and honestly they aren't better than what is available today. They have large inefficient motors with terrible hp:displacement ratios, ancient suspension systems and weigh as much as a yacht. The day of the big block muscle car being the best is long gone except in drag racing.
Classic Ferrari? You're looking at millions which 99% don't have. Laughable to think a car enthusiast these days gives a shit about something they can't realistically ever own.
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Whenever I see a shit True Adonis thread, which is all of them, I wish that The Man in the High Castle was non-fiction.
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Whenever I see a shit True Adonis thread, which is all of them, I wish that The Man in the High Castle was non-fiction.
You are the anti-American loser driving a leased Audi. Maybe you oughta point the figure at yourself.
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That's about the only thing it's good for though, smoking the tires. There are cars making twice the power this thing does and with none of the smoke show.
I do like the TA though, my favorite when I was a kid.
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Anyone saying an all motor car is the only way to have fun hasn't driven a properly sorted turbo car with comparable power. I embrace the new turbo car era we are seeing. Forced induction is the only way to make big power and make it daily drivable.
for example. Start at 13:30 [ Invalid YouTube link ]
That car has a totally stock motor. Just a single turbo kit, and upgraded fueling and tune. No cams, no forged pistons or rods, nothing internal done. Straight up bolt on stuff. For 15k or less, the 335i is the best car for your money if you want power. Throw another 10-12k at it and you can be making this level of power and be destroying any mercedes AMG, audi rs or bmw m car on the street, plus making everything american look slow hellcat included. And you can daily it.
Ask anyone on a BMW forum or any serious track guys ask which they rather have? A 335i or an m3?
U can make anything fast, that's not that point... u are like any other guy who says "if I spend this amount I can beat or destroy this car, blah blah blah" no one gives a shit ::)
BMW isn't the way to go if u care straight about speed, pick a Japanese import or an American, still cheaper
I'll still take a Porsche gt3 rs, m3, rs4, z06, etc...
Real driving enthusiasts prefer naturally aspirated high revving motors, if u don't get it u just don't understand
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Totally untrue, you must be wildly out of touch with the car scene at the moment. Only people turning up to car shows and meets these days with the old school 'classics' are old guys. Those classics are way out of reach for most enthusiasts price wise, and honestly they aren't better than what is available today. They have large inefficient motors with terrible hp:displacement ratios, ancient suspension systems and weigh as much as a yacht. The day of the big block muscle car being the best is long gone except in drag racing.
Classic Ferrari? You're looking at millions which 99% don't have. Laughable to think a car enthusiast these days gives a shit about something they can't realistically ever own.
Nope, lots more.... why guys still prefer s2000's, nsx's, integra gsr/type r, e36/46/90 m3's, c63 Mercedes....
Never said anything bad about turbo cars if u are looking to make easy power, I just said a lot of enthusiasts who like driving, sound, feel, prefer NA motors
Again old cars like Supras, gtrs, rx7's, 300's, evos, are still preferred over newer cars
Yes Classic cars are more sought after hence how much they cost, so u proved my point, that people do want them over modern cars cause they are heavier, too much driving aids, artificial, etc...
Why u think Porsche just made the new gt3 offering a manual transmission again? Cause every manufacturers are using autos or duel clutch autos
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The majority of time spent driving is on regular roads. Who cares how fast you can get to the grocery store and back? High horsepower great. Low Horsepower great. Good handling great. Bad handling great.
Who cares. I like cars each individually. I would take a 1937 Cord before any current BMW made today.
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The majority of time spent driving is on regular roads. Who cares how fast you can get to the grocery store and back? High horsepower great. Low Horsepower great. Good handling great. Bad handling great.
Who cares. I like cars each individually. I would take a 1937 Cord before any current BMW made today.
U are correct
I do track my cars, for me, it's about balance, handling, I don't care about people's obsession about making big hp for stop light racing, boring to me
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You lease an Audi that is worthless that you will NEVER own. Shut your moronic pie hole up. BMW`s are all garbages by the way.
I own a BMW M4. You ever driven one? Clearly not, or you wouldn't be making that comment.
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I own a BMW M4. You ever driven one? Clearly not, or you wouldn't be making that comment.
M4 👍🏻 Great car.
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Turbo LAG sucks, and has completely ruined the car industry by standardizing on 4 cylinder turbo's in an effort to appease European regulations.
I have a supercharged v6 and it delivers power both instantly and smoothly.
There is hardly any turbo lag on the M4 I own. I would take this car over any car I have driven. Driven an 800 hp mustang cobra and like the way the M4 delivers power much more than that car. I'd never own an American car again.
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There is hardly any turbo lag on the M4 I own. I would take this car over any car I have driven. Driven an 800 hp mustang cobra and like the way the M4 delivers power much more than that car. I'd never own an American car again.
Power for power Na>turbo. That is just facts.
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Power for power Na>turbo. That is just facts.
Opinion. It's all about power delivery. Honestly, most people I've talked to and I mean the vast majority say that turbo is much more fun.
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I own a BMW M4. You ever driven one? Clearly not, or you wouldn't be making that comment.
Sure have and it sucked. Was an M3. Boring looks, decent power, boring driving experience.
I did once drive a 1988 320is around for a month and I loved it! MUCH BETTER than todays run of the mill garbage that BMW puts out.
BMW is dead. I laugh when I see blacks tooling around in a 5 year old 7 series that cost 120,000 new that they paid 9000 dollars.
Great cars. ::)
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THIS is what made all cars look the same. FINALLY we can make some cool shit again as these moronic MPG standards are relaxed along with other safety bullshit.
What all cars made look the same are mostly safety regulations. Trump is an idiot if he thinks that lower economy rules makes us cars great again. American cars just don't sell well in the rest of the world and if there fuel consumption etc. will even get worse ... they're dead.
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What all cars made look the same are mostly safety regulations. Trump is an idiot if he thinks that lower economy rules makes us cars great again. American cars just don't sell well in the rest of the world and if there fuel consumption etc. will even get worse ... they're dead.
Who gives a shit about other countries? I don't.
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THIS is what made all cars look the same. FINALLY we can make some cool shit again as these moronic MPG standards are relaxed along with other safety bullshit.
THIS has made me so, so happy and just all around optimistic. ;D
LOVE this news.
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Totally untrue, you must be wildly out of touch with the car scene at the moment. Only people turning up to car shows and meets these days with the old school 'classics' are old guys. Those classics are way out of reach for most enthusiasts price wise, and honestly they aren't better than what is available today. They have large inefficient motors with terrible hp:displacement ratios, ancient suspension systems and weigh as much as a yacht. The day of the big block muscle car being the best is long gone except in drag racing.
Classic Ferrari? You're looking at millions which 99% don't have. Laughable to think a car enthusiast these days gives a shit about something they can't realistically ever own.
You suck and are a loser. Pond scum.
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You suck and are a loser. Pond scum.
Insults instead of a rational argument I smell a liberal.
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I want the new Smokey and the Bandit,Burt Reynolds Trans Am!
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Opinion. It's all about power delivery. Honestly, most people I've talked to and I mean the vast majority say that turbo is much more fun.
turbo lag and tuning issues and top heavy power curves. If both make the same power NA is best.
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You are the anti-American loser driving a leased Audi. Maybe you oughta point the figure at yourself.
TA, please, enlighten me, this saying: anti-american, it seems to lack any conclusive meaning, other than a catch all for justifying a position without going to the effort of formulating a reasoned response, the refuge of simpletons.
So, why do you, an educated man, opt for the use of such a saying?
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bring back 80's chevy trucks
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TA, please, enlighten me, this saying: anti-american, it seems to lack any conclusive meaning, other than a catch all for justifying a position without going to the effort of formulating a reasoned response, the refuge of simpletons.
So, why do you, an educated man, opt for the use of such a saying?
Maybe he does because someone needs to, and too few do.
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TA, please, enlighten me, this saying: anti-american, it seems to lack any conclusive meaning, other than a catch all for justifying a position without going to the effort of formulating a reasoned response, the refuge of simpletons.
So, why do you, an educated man, opt for the use of such a saying?
What gives you the impression he's educated? NC has at least 2 quality schools of higher education, Duke and UNC/Chapel Hill, neither of which he graduated from.
Lifetime unemployment and internet trolling does not require much in the way of education.
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Can't Wait
My new Trump Daily Driver
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The coal rolling retards will be happy about this.
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Nice car ... for a Mexican.
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turbo lag and tuning issues and top heavy power curves. If both make the same power NA is best.
that was true 15-20 years ago yeah, but not anymore
Tuning issues are nonexistent nowadays, there are a multitude of shops in every decently populated area in north america that deal with forced induction tuning. Or you can learn to do it yourself. They even have self tuning ECU's for many new model cars that will auto correct fuel and ignition tables to suit driving conditions. Any joe blow can tune his own car decently now a days with the wealth of information provided by the internet.
Anyone who says lag is an issue doesn't get that that's part of the fun of a turbo car. Its all in how you want the power to be delivered. Turbos provide a violent punch in the back when you need the power, and drive normally around town when you don't need to go fast. The power potential of turbos is far more than all motor. 2.0l motors making 1200whp are a reality these days; on pump fuels.
And a supercharger on your v6 is still forced induction, like a turbo. The air is just compressed with a different device. I'm definitely a fan of blowers, especially the centrifugal ones.
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Probably should start a new thread about this, but....
Which of these famous vintage American cars would be best to own nowadays as a weekend cruise type thing. Sure it's been asked a million times before, but I'm wondering what GetBiggers would go for. Since everyone is a millionaire, money is no object. And would you go full tragic-h0mo and take it in customized form?
78 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am from Smokey and the Bandit
77 Ferrari 308 GTS from Magnum P.I.
Sonny Crockett’s 1986 white Ferrari Testarossa in Miami Vice
75 Gran Torino from Starsky & Hutch
82 Pontiac Trans Am from Knight Rider
69 Dodge Charger from the Dukes of Hazzard
82 DeLorean DMC-12 from Back to the Future
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that was true 15-20 years ago yeah, but not anymore
Tuning issues are nonexistent nowadays, there are a multitude of shops in every decently populated area in north america that deal with forced induction tuning. Or you can learn to do it yourself. They even have self tuning ECU's for many new model cars that will auto correct fuel and ignition tables to suit driving conditions. Any joe blow can tune his own car decently now a days with the wealth of information provided by the internet.
Anyone who says lag is an issue doesn't get that that's part of the fun of a turbo car. Its all in how you want the power to be delivered. Turbos provide a violent punch in the back when you need the power, and drive normally around town when you don't need to go fast. The power potential of turbos is far more than all motor. 2.0l motors making 1200whp are a reality these days; on pump fuels.
And a supercharger on your v6 is still forced induction, like a turbo. The air is just compressed with a different device. I'm definitely a fan of blowers, especially the centrifugal ones.
I would rather have a 1960 Impala then have to worry about turbos or not having turbos or how the car handles or any of that nonsense. :D
Funny how a 1960 Impala just makes all that stuff irrelevant.
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IF gas was guaranteed to be 1/2 the price it is right now, and Auto manufacturers CONTINUED to re-make all their classics like they've done with the Challenger, etc.. I'd LOVE to order a new one of these
with the 440-V8 and loaded with all options!!!! (THE big one on the bottom, the ROAD RUNNER)
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Anyone saying an all motor car is the only way to have fun hasn't driven a properly sorted turbo car with comparable power. I embrace the new turbo car era we are seeing. Forced induction is the only way to make big power and make it daily drivable.
for example. Start at 13:30 [ Invalid YouTube link ]
That car has a totally stock motor. Just a single turbo kit, and upgraded fueling and tune. No cams, no forged pistons or rods, nothing internal done. Straight up bolt on stuff. For 15k or less, the 335i is the best car for your money if you want power. Throw another 10-12k at it and you can be making this level of power and be destroying any mercedes AMG, audi rs or bmw m car on the street, plus making everything american look slow hellcat included. And you can daily it.
How will this car handle this boosted power it was not designed for? Parts will bend and brake no?
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What all cars made look the same are mostly safety regulations. Trump is an idiot if he thinks that lower economy rules makes us cars great again. American cars just don't sell well in the rest of the world and if there fuel consumption etc. will even get worse ... they're dead.
Also simply to big for euro roads and parkingspaces. You cant even drive in to an avarage parkinggarage with a Ford f150, and that is a tiny car for usa standards.
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Turbo LAG sucks, and has completely ruined the car industry by standardizing on 4 cylinder turbo's in an effort to appease European regulations.
I have a supercharged v6 and it delivers power both instantly and smoothly.
Lol you wont find any new euro cars with real turbo LAG. Als smooth instant power.
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Why are European cars so gay. Can anyone answer that for me? ???
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Why are European cars so gay. Can anyone answer that for me? ???
A man of your taste should sample classic bentleys, rolls royces, jaguars, Mercedes
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The agency believes that the standards, which requires an average fleet-wide light vehicle fuel efficiency of 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, will result in consumer EPA window stickers surpassing 36 mpg for passenger cars and light-trucks. That’s more than 10 mpg higher than the fleet averages of today.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/01/epa-maintains-fuel-efficiency-standards-2025/ (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/01/epa-maintains-fuel-efficiency-standards-2025/)
The 54.5 MPG standard set was completely unreasonable. It would have required almost every car and truck to be a hybrid and would have added thousands of dollars of extra cost and complexity to every vehicle.
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A man of your taste should sample classic bentleys, rolls royces, jaguars, Mercedes
The gaying of European cars didn't start until the 90s I would say.
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How will this car handle this boosted power it was not designed for? Parts will bend and brake no?
It won't...
15k for a 335i is a car with almost or over 100k miles, reliability on the n54 is horrible and he says throw another 10-12k to make that power on a car and engine that's already sketchy.... have fun with tons of reliability problems
If u are goal is to be making power only, euros aren't really the choice, like I said choose an American or Japanese car, much cheaper alternative
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Sure have and it sucked. Was an M3. Boring looks, decent power, boring driving experience.
I did once drive a 1988 320is around for a month and I loved it! MUCH BETTER than todays run of the mill garbage that BMW puts out.
BMW is dead. I laugh when I see blacks tooling around in a 5 year old 7 series that cost 120,000 new that they paid 9000 dollars.
Great cars. ::)
BMW is dead? You simply don't know what you're talking about. You drove around a 1988 3 series and claim it's better than anything BMW puts out now? You've clearly never driven a new M4. IF you drove an M3 it was old because the M4 is the 2 door coupe, and M3 is 4 door sedan now. German engineering is far better than anything put out by American car manufacturers.
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BMW is dead? You simply don't know what you're talking about. You drove around a 1988 3 series and claim it's better than anything BMW puts out now? You've clearly never driven a new M4. IF you drove an M3 it was old because the M4 is the 2 door coupe, and M3 is 4 door sedan now. German engineering is far better than anything put out by American car manufacturers.
In terms of steering and chassis BMW isn't what it's used to be
Go drive a e46 M3 and e90 version, sure the m4 is fast but it's lost it's appeal of balance, more power and torque for sure for the masses, many people complained the steering is too heavy in older models so they changed it and BMW has gotten softer for years now, go read up on it, many reviews and owners express the same thoughts
Go drive a v10 m5 with exhaust or a v8 M3 8)
I've tracked the m4, I liked it but prefer an m2
Reason why many BMW guys prefer older M's
The e30 M3 from 1987-1991 is HIGHLY sought after, look up the prices it's going for ;)
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I'd love to WOT this right up Route 66 for about 12 hours. Comfort Zone all the way.
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European influence on American Cars from the 90s to the 2000s has been shit and ruined US cars.
I am sorry but this statement is completely false.
M5 influence on CTS-V
For the record I would take the Caddy 10x over but it wouldn't exist without German influence.
There are other examples, this is one of the more obvious.
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European, American or Japanese, cars today are a lot fatter today due to all of the safety standards.
Speaking of boost, yes it is fun and it is where you need to be to make great power, BUT...big cube N/A has its place too. My 5.7 Challenger was stroked to a 410 (6.7 liter) with Thitek heads and a big cam. Yes, I could have made more power with a blower, but there comes a point where it is too much for the street. My motor makes 493 rwhp and 534 rwtq. Great for the street and sounds vicious.
Want more power from a NA engine? Nitrous and/or an E85 conversion with increased compression.
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Not a big American car fan but I'd take the 2005 Ford GT over any italian or german sports car today. These care went for $200K and now are fetching $400-500K
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If classic Beetles would just be remade in classic form.
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If classic Beetles would just be remade in classic form.
That was an awesome car.
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That was an awesome car.
Great everyday car, easy to maintain without a lot of cost.
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A car of the people.
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Big A looking a little downy there.
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Good ol Ferdinand Porsche to the left showing Hitler the beetle, founder of Porsche ;D
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So much great engineering during WW2.
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He's very cherubic for an evil man.
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It won't...
15k for a 335i is a car with almost or over 100k miles, reliability on the n54 is horrible and he says throw another 10-12k to make that power on a car and engine that's already sketchy.... have fun with tons of reliability problems
If u are goal is to be making power only, euros aren't really the choice, like I said choose an American or Japanese car, much cheaper alternative
Tell that to all the guys making anywhere from 600-900whp on stock internal n54s. There are plenty online just a quick google will do. The n54 is the new 2jz and we are only at the beginning of it's development cycle; I'm sure there will be built and stroked n54s pushing past 1000whp in the near future and even further than that after a while. One of the best motors BMW has made in a very long time.
and yes single turboing an n54 to the high 600 low 700 horsepower range would cost about that. You don't need to rip the engine apart or anything, just basic bolt on turbo kit, exhaust, upgraded intercooler, clutch kit, higher flowing fuel pump and injectors and an e85 tune. DIY and you would definitely do it for 10-12k budget. You could go further though, and add a better radiator, bigger fans, oil cooler and tranny cooler. Highly advisable if you live somewhere hot and are going to daily the car.
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Tell that to all the guys making anywhere from 600-900whp on stock internal n54s. There are plenty online just a quick google will do. The n54 is the new 2jz and we are only at the beginning of it's development cycle; I'm sure there will be built and stroked n54s pushing past 1000whp in the near future and even further than that after a while. One of the best motors BMW has made in a very long time.
and yes single turboing an n54 to the high 600 low 700 horsepower range would cost about that. You don't need to rip the engine apart or anything, just basic bolt on turbo kit, exhaust, upgraded intercooler, clutch kit, higher flowing fuel pump and injectors and an e85 tune. DIY and you would definitely do it for 10-12k budget. You could go further though, and add a better radiator, bigger fans, oil cooler and tranny cooler. Highly advisable if you live somewhere hot and are going to daily the car.
It does have reliability problems, I've known dozens of owners and a handful of lemons
The engine itself can hold power, not debating that, but u are suggesting a 15k used bimmer which is going to be high mileage, and then throw into mods on a car with high mileage, reliability issues, good luck daily driving that...
Of course there are guys with 700-900 hp, it can be done but still it isn't as reliable a rb26 or a 2jz
Cheap and German don't go together
Like I said save yourself the trouble and build a civic with a k20/24 swap or an American car which will be cheaper if power and straight line is all u care
Up to me I'll build a gtr since it's awd/dct tran, them and the turbo lambos have been dominating for years
Maybe also a corvette or viper
Btw I've owned a new 335 back in 09, good car, but couldn't get rid of the 996 turbo at the time ;D
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Mercedes = old and actually wealthy or a foreign doctor/professor
BMW = slickback hair lawyer, gay or lease douche wannabe
In the Midwest USA though so ymmv...
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The Viper was a car done in mechanical excess but done well.
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Mercedes = old and actually wealthy or a foreign doctor/professor
BMW = slickback hair lawyer, gay or lease douche wannabe
In the Midwest USA though so ymmv...
Mercedes=black spending entire life savings on car payments
BMW=black living in the ghetto with a busted up BMW
At least in the south. :D
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Big A looking a little downy there.
Didn't look much like himself that day, for "some" reason.
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Why are Hondas so much better than any American car?
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Here's a 41 Model 87, 4WD. Headlights are pinned for stealth (works great).
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You will NEVER have a car as good as the 1959 Cadillac Coupe De Ville I owned. Never.
I do...Skoda Octavia III 1.6 turbodiesel. Bitch.
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Why are Hondas so much better than any American car?
American manufacturing is run by bottom line management with a profit at all costs mentality. Thus the worst cars on the roads (Chrysler, GM, Ford)
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Good ol Ferdinand Porsche to the left showing Hitler the beetle, founder of Porsche ;D
Don't forget he also was a major part of AUDI
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European, American or Japanese, cars today are a lot fatter today due to all of the safety standards.
Speaking of boost, yes it is fun and it is where you need to be to make great power, BUT...big cube N/A has its place too. My 5.7 Challenger was stroked to a 410 (6.7 liter) with Thitek heads and a big cam. Yes, I could have made more power with a blower, but there comes a point where it is too much for the street. My motor makes 493 rwhp and 534 rwtq. Great for the street and sounds vicious.
Want more power from a NA engine? Nitrous and/or an E85 conversion with increased compression.
That is great and all but what is milage on that mostrosity?
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Why are Hondas so much better than any American car?
Honda's a company run by Engineers.
Honda's current CEO on the left and former CEO Takanobu Ito on the right were both Engineers. Takanobu Ito was the chief engineer for the original NSX.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/150223094145-takanobu-ito-1024x576.jpg)
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You will NEVER have a car as good as the 1959 Cadillac Coupe De Ville I owned. Never.
Cars often are emotion
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Honda's a company run by Engineers.
Honda's current CEO on the left and former CEO Takanobu Ito on the right were both Engineers. Takanobu Ito was the chief engineer for the original NSX.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/150223094145-takanobu-ito-1024x576.jpg)
Twins?
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Why are European cars so gay. Can anyone answer that for me? ???
You would be relaxed in them if you wouldn't be so insecure? Driving excessively big vehicles often caused by fear I think
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Why are Hondas so much better than any American car?
American cars have much improved on every aspect over the past 5 to 10 years.
But Hondas tend to be very reliable and don't go over the top, no excesses.
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No shit. They have taken the fun out of all cars.
Now more models and sorts of cars available than at any other time in history. But few people buy an Alfa 4C of Alpine, or mx-5 / Miata: enough light weight pure reduce to the max fun cars around
Americans don't seem very interested in fun-to-drive cars, hence all the xxxxl pick-ups and truck based poorly handling SUVs?
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Twins?
Everyone that works at Honda looks like this. I'm kidding, but it's half true. ;D
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You would be relaxed in them if you wouldn't be so insecure? Driving excessively big vehicles often caused by fear I think
You know... I've learned to hate my truck. It is excessively big, not fun to drive (unless offroad), and everyone I know wants me to help them move shit on the weekends.
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that was true 15-20 years ago yeah, but not anymore
Tuning issues are nonexistent nowadays, there are a multitude of shops in every decently populated area in north america that deal with forced induction tuning. Or you can learn to do it yourself. They even have self tuning ECU's for many new model cars that will auto correct fuel and ignition tables to suit driving conditions. Any joe blow can tune his own car decently now a days with the wealth of information provided by the internet.
Anyone who says lag is an issue doesn't get that that's part of the fun of a turbo car. Its all in how you want the power to be delivered. Turbos provide a violent punch in the back when you need the power, and drive normally around town when you don't need to go fast. The power potential of turbos is far more than all motor. 2.0l motors making 1200whp are a reality these days; on pump fuels.
And a supercharger on your v6 is still forced induction, like a turbo. The air is just compressed with a different device. I'm definitely a fan of blowers, especially the centrifugal ones.
Still turbo lag, computer artificially reduced on running a tiny turbo that gives out on the high end, isn't comparable to NA
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Why are Hondas so much better than any American car?
Engine reliability. Honda interior have got cheap in recent years. But the engine with last forever.
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speaking of US cars, this will likely be the C7 ZR1. GM rented Laguna Seca for 3 days and didn't have any press there but the track website shows its schedule including rentals by manufacturers, so a couple of guys went and hid nearby and took pics and videos. They were running it alongside the Z06/Z06 and Camaro 1LE ZL1 and according to them the exhaust was much louder on the camo'd vette, plus with its larger hood it must be a bigger blower with much more HP, aggressive aero too, I'm guessing this will snatch some production car lap records once it's development is complete 8)
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Who told you that nonsense? Honda has been horrible the past decade or so. :D
Honda is vastly superior to all American cars.
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Honda is vastly superior to all American cars.
lol that's why the 200k NSX was 3 seconds behind the 80k Grand Sport Corvette at the last Lightning Lap? ;D
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German engineering...
I have yet to read or experience a valid explanation of how this is uniquely different than American engineering when it comes to cars (and I have driven late model E63S and M4)
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Still turbo lag, computer artificially reduced on running a tiny turbo that gives out on the high end, isn't comparable to NA
I dunno. I would agree with that maybe 10-15 years ago, but today, it's just not really there.
Turbo lag is virtually non-existent in today's world if someone knows what they are doing.
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I have yet to read or experience a valid explanation of how this is uniquely different than American engineering when it comes to cars (and I have driven late model E63S and M4)
Thing is no one wealthy cares about American cars, they buy Ferraris, rolls, Bentley, Mercedes, etc. ;)
This is a fact big boobs
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Thing is no one wealthy cares about American cars, they buy Ferraris, rolls, Bentley, Mercedes, etc. ;)
This is a fact big boobs
Not if they want something with fins and is a mile long. Europeans never learned how to make things like that. :D ;)
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Thing is no one wealthy cares about American cars, they buy Ferraris, rolls, Bentley, Mercedes, etc. ;)
This is a fact big boobs
Weird, several of my car friends own both Italian exotics and American performance cars.
(Insecure) people who buy cars for status perhaps, but not actual enthusiasts.
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lol that's why the 200k NSX was 3 seconds behind the 80k Grand Sport Corvette at the last Lightning Lap? ;D
Not true, the NSX was 4 seconds ahead of the Corvette. I actually know someone who was there and saw the timing.
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Not true, the NSX was 4 seconds ahead of the Corvette. I actually know someone who was there and saw the timing.
I know that guy too. He said Hondas only make good lawnmowers nowadays and not cars.
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I know that guy too. He said Hondas only make good lawnmowers nowadays and not cars.
lol, who cares what the official released times were, SF1900 knows someone who apparently was there and saw something different http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2016-results-historical-lap-times-and-more-feature
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I have yet to read or experience a valid explanation of how this is uniquely different than American engineering when it comes to cars (and I have driven late model E63S and M4)
The decisions made by a head Engineer in one country will be different than the decisions made by a head Engineer in another. Compare the Porsche 911 to the Corvette and the Nissan GTR. The purpose of each car is essentially the same, but the way the Engineers have gone about it is radically different. Think about all the decisions that have to be made regarding the engine, transmission, suspension, steering, body, and brakes.
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Great news. Now Jeep can sell a wrangler with 40's.
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I know that guy too. He said Hondas only make good lawnmowers nowadays and not cars.
I just called that guy and he says that he does not know you.
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lol, who cares what the official released times were, SF1900 knows someone who apparently was there and saw something different http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2016-results-historical-lap-times-and-more-feature
Car and driver is mistaken.
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I just called that guy and he says that he does not know you.
No, you dialed the wrong number. Here is what he said:
Consumer Reports no longer recommends Honda
Buick Up, Honda And Subaru Down, Says Consumer Reports- http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/24/499221144/buick-up-honda-and-subaru-down-says-consumer-reports
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No, you dialed the wrong number. Here is what he said:
Consumer Reports no longer recommends Honda
Buick Up, Honda And Subaru Down, Says Consumer Reports- http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/24/499221144/buick-up-honda-and-subaru-down-says-consumer-reports
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Actually, that was a misprint by car and driver. I know some of the publishers there.
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Actually, that was a misprint by car and driver. I know some of the publishers there.
Are you going to be okay though?
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Are you going to be okay though?
All depends if Trump is impeached and Hillary becomes president. If that happens, I'll be okay.
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The decisions made by a head Engineer in one country will be different than the decisions made by a head Engineer in another. Compare the Porsche 911 to the Corvette and the Nissan GTR. The purpose of each car is essentially the same, but the way the Engineers have gone about it is radically different. Think about all the decisions that have to be made regarding the engine, transmission, suspension, steering, body, and brakes.
obviously they're engineered differently, what I meant is I don't understand the argument that "German engineering" is supposedly a beneficial trait in a car. It's a phrase that certain fanboys use towards their German brand and sometimes follow up with "you need to drive one to understand what it means," when they're not able to explain it.
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Anyone else watching the GTLM 12 hours Of Sebring race today? Ford GT and Corvette are dominating the top 3...Porsche, Ferrari and BMW trailing..
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I have yet to read or experience a valid explanation of how this is uniquely different than American engineering when it comes to cars (and I have driven late model E63S and M4)
Germans are supposed to over engineer things. Benz sucks, everyone in my family that has bought one has had major problems with them. If you want German, go Audi/VW or BMW.
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Germans are supposed to over engineer things. Benz sucks, everyone in my family that has bought one has had major problems with them. If you want German, go Audi/VW or BMW.
Consumer Reports puts BMW and VW at the bottom tier of their recommended list as a brand. :-\
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Consumer Reports puts BMW and VW at the bottom tier of their recommended list as a brand. :-\
BMW is number 9 on their list, not near bottom. But anyway they also put Buick number 3. Their list doesn't mean anything.
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BMW is number 9 on their list, not near bottom. But anyway they also put Buick number 3. Their list doesn't mean anything.
No love for the upcoming Buick Avista?
(https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/buick-avista-concept-8-1280x720.jpg)
(http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/16/01/1600x800/landscape-1452470559-2016-buick-avista-concept-012.jpg)
What about the Buick Avenir?
(https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jaclyntrop/files/2016/09/2015-Buick-Avenir-Concept-019-1200x600.jpg?width=960)
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/01/2015-Buick-Avenir-Concept-rear-1-e1483488719614.jpg)
Say what you want, but they build a High Quality car.
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Buick had Touchscreens in their car in 1989 :o
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No, you dialed the wrong number. Here is what he said:
Consumer Reports no longer recommends Honda
Buick Up, Honda And Subaru Down, Says Consumer Reports- http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/24/499221144/buick-up-honda-and-subaru-down-says-consumer-reports
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The Honda Civic is current the best selling car in America and the CR-V is the second best selling SUV. They must be doing something right.
Financially, BMW and Honda are doing better than ever. That doesn't happen unless you're producing vehicles people want to buy.
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obviously they're engineered differently, what I meant is I don't understand the argument that "German engineering" is supposedly a beneficial trait in a car. It's a phrase that certain fanboys use towards their German brand and sometimes follow up with "you need to drive one to understand what it means," when they're not able to explain it.
Has nothing to do with being a fanboy. Hop in a German sports car, then drive a mustang, corvette, Camaro, etc. You'll see for yourself. Transmission, handling, luxury, etc. Better than American cars.
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Has nothing to do with being a fanboy. Hop in a German sports car, then drive a mustang, corvette, Camaro, etc. You'll see for yourself. Transmission, handling, luxury, etc. Better than American cars.
I guess you missed the part earlier where I said I have driven M4 and E63S and have no clue what "German engineering" advantage refers to (relative to my Stingray), they're nice cars don't get me wrong but the "German engineering" phrase is meaningless nowdays.
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tune in to "imsa tv" Web page to stream the end of the Sebring 12 hr race, exciting finish, 5 mins left, placings so far in GTLM are:
Corvette
Ford
Ford
Ferrari
Ford
BMW
Porsche
Porsche
But the bottom 3 can feel comfortable in the fact that they have "German engineering" lol
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tune in to "imsa tv" Web page to stream the end of the Sebring 12 hr race, exciting finish, 5 mins left, placings so far in GTLM are:
Corvette
Ford
Ford
Ferrari
Ford
BMW
Porsche
Porsche
But the bottom 3 can feel comfortable in the fact that they have "German engineering" lol
All that "German Engineering" and somehow they managed to produce worse and worse cars each year for the past decade.
Maybe someone can teach them how to "Engineer" something that does not depreciate in value so dramatically to where a 120,000 dollar car is worth 7500 dollars in five year. HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHA BMW's and all their "German Engineering" yet none of their cars come with something as simple as an oil dipstick to check the oil. Whadda mess. Pieces of shit.
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All that "German Engineering" and somehow they managed to produce worse and worse cars each year for the past decade.
Maybe someone can teach them how to "Engineer" something that does not depreciate in value so dramatically to where a 120,000 dollar car is worth 7500 dollars in five year. HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHA BMW's and all their "German Engineering" yet none of their cars come with something as simple as an oil dipstick to check the oil. Whadda mess. Pieces of shit.
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ROFLMAO!!!!
"German Engineering" is a pathetic joke.
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tune in to "imsa tv" Web page to stream the end of the Sebring 12 hr race, exciting finish, 5 mins left, placings so far in GTLM are:
Corvette
Ford
Ford
Ferrari
Ford
BMW
Porsche
Porsche
But the bottom 3 can feel comfortable in the fact that they have "German engineering" lol
Mid engined 911RSR was leading in GTLM, and screwed up in the pits. Corvette came in and snatched the win. With Ford in 2nd, Ferrari in 3rd. And Ferrari and Ford had been battling.
LMPDi and overall went to Cadillac.
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ROFLMAO!!!!
"German Engineering" is a pathetic joke.
If it's that big of a joke why does all American manufacturers for decades can't outsell Germans and Japanese in the luxury market and for over a decade now American manufacturers are chasing euros on not just straight line speed which American cars were only good for for decades and going for steering, handling, and chassis tuning more ;)
Caddy is a copy of BMW's prime years, they benchmark their cars after BMW e46/e90 models, they even said that
I've driven a ton of cars, majority of American cars don't drive right and cheaply made up until some of thier products now
There is a reason why the Porsche 911 is king of sports cars and everyone is always gunning for it
BMW pretty much owned and still do the sports/luxury market, another reason why everyone is always going after the 3 series for decades
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Weird, several of my car friends own both Italian exotics and American performance cars.
(Insecure) people who buy cars for status perhaps, but not actual enthusiasts.
Majority worldwide still lust or after euro cars in general, this is a fact
American cars (only their sports cars) are good cars but it's still budget cars for a certain price and certain individuals
The c7 corvette is a great car, every other one before it (c6, c5) were cheaply made junk imo, very fast but that's it, steering feel sucks, the acr viper or even reg viper were much better but it's more a weekend car
American sports cars give u a lot for the money in terms of price but no match for a Porsche 911 as a overall product. Key word is "complete package"
There's a reason why the vette will never touch the 911 in terms of complete car and all the reviews stand behind it
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tune in to "imsa tv" Web page to stream the end of the Sebring 12 hr race, exciting finish, 5 mins left, placings so far in GTLM are:
Corvette
Ford
Ford
Ferrari
Ford
BMW
Porsche
Porsche
But the bottom 3 can feel comfortable in the fact that they have "German engineering" lol
U pick out one race to prove your point? ::)
Stick to your "budget car" corvette ;D
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ROFLMAO!!!!
"German Engineering" is a pathetic joke.
This video is pretty accurate. The low resale value of used German Luxury cars is warranted due to the ridiculously high maintenance costs.
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If it's that big of a joke why does all American manufacturers for decades can't outsell Germans and Japanese in the luxury market and for over a decade now American manufacturers are chasing euros on not just straight line speed which American cars were only good for for decades and going for steering, handling, and chassis tuning more ;)
Caddy is a copy of BMW's prime years, they benchmark their cars after BMW e46/e90 models, they even said that
I've driven a ton of cars, majority of American cars don't drive right and cheaply made up until some of thier products now
There is a reason why the Porsche 911 is king of sports cars and everyone is always gunning for it
BMW pretty much owned and still do the sports/luxury market, another reason why everyone is always going after the 3 series for decades
In the most important luxury market of the near future it's USA number 1, and the rest years behind: Electric cars. See Tesla and the impressive Lucid Air for example
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tune in to "imsa tv" Web page to stream the end of the Sebring 12 hr race, exciting finish, 5 mins left, placings so far in GTLM are:
Corvette
Ford
Ford
Ferrari
Ford
BMW
Porsche
Porsche
But the bottom 3 can feel comfortable in the fact that they have "German engineering" lol
Unfortunately for all marketing departments, there is no relationship whatsover between modern race cars and autos you can buy in showrooms....
Dito for racing results, they don't influence real car sales.
New car models and quality actually do
Racing is a complete waste of money
During the last global economic crises car manufacturers suddenly realised this and cut back race budgets enormously
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tune in to "imsa tv" Web page to stream the end of the Sebring 12 hr race, exciting finish, 5 mins left, placings so far in GTLM are:
Corvette
Ford
Ford
Ferrari
Ford
BMW
Porsche
Porsche
But the bottom 3 can feel comfortable in the fact that they have "German engineering" lol
You pick one race to prove your point? I'm pretty sure we're talking about engineertin sports cars on the street as well. A lot of different factors go into racing. Fact is the BMW M cars are the benchmark for their class, and have been for years. Until you've owned one I'm not sure how you can comment on the engineering. They put any American sports car I've driven to shame. The new DCT is simply amazing. Looks, performance, luxury. You won't find it in any American sports car. There is a reason why Ford is trying to make their Mustangs resemble a BMW M4 now. They're doing a shitty job of it by the way. Every other car manufacturer is trying to make their cars resemble BMW as well. Alfa Romeo just came out with the Guilia that is a copy of the BMW M3. Go drive an M4 and see for yourself.
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All that "German Engineering" and somehow they managed to produce worse and worse cars each year for the past decade.
Maybe someone can teach them how to "Engineer" something that does not depreciate in value so dramatically to where a 120,000 dollar car is worth 7500 dollars in five year. HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHA BMW's and all their "German Engineering" yet none of their cars come with something as simple as an oil dipstick to check the oil. Whadda mess. Pieces of shit.
You're simply ignorant. I'd love to see the heap of shit you drive. You need an oil. Hangs with a BMW, you take the car in, drop it off, they give you a loaner for the day. My guess is you've never driven one, much less have the means to buy one. BMW sales are higher than they've ever been, so not too shabby for such pieces of shit.
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You're simply ignorant. I'd love to see the heap of shit you drive. You need an oil. Hangs with a BMW, you take the car in, drop it off, they give you a loaner for the day.
Okay, they give you a loaner for the day just for an oil change that that takes 20 minutes at Jiffy Lube. Don't you think you will pay for that loaner in some way. They have you right where they want you.
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You pick one race to prove your point? I'm pretty sure we're talking about engineertin sports cars on the street as well. A lot of different factors go into racing. Fact is the BMW M cars are the benchmark for their class, and have been for years. Until you've owned one I'm not sure how you can comment on the engineering. They put any American sports car I've driven to shame. The new DCT is simply amazing. Looks, performance, luxury. You won't find it in any American sports car. There is a reason why Ford is trying to make their Mustangs resemble a BMW M4 now. They're doing a shitty job of it by the way. Every other car manufacturer is trying to make their cars resemble BMW as well. Alfa Romeo just came out with the Guilia that is a copy of the BMW M3. Go drive an M4 and see for yourself.
And BMW seemingly with all their engineering, they screw up their M engines. The S54 was blowing rods, and BMW at first blamed US drivers who had manuals. Then the SMG ones started throwing rods. Then it was another thing. The S65 had rod bearing failures. And now the N55/S55 has crank hub failure.
Also, a lot of people on BMW M forums have cross shopped or seriously looked at the Mustang Shelby GT350, with a bespoked Voodoo V8. That is a plus for people. The head of BMW had already said that there will not be anymore bespoked M engines (like S54, S65, S85, S62). But that they will closely related to or tuned versions of production engines.
The Mustang also is the leading sporty car in Germany, home of BMW.
A lot of people are raving about the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde, even BMW M owners. And the engine is basically a Ferrari V8 with two cylinders looped off. Who know about their reliability, though.
Let's not dismiss the American makes---they are making good cars. The Corvette has done well in international racing, and BMW no longer races the M4 in the same category as the 911, Corvette anymore. The M6 is not even that competitive.
Nevertheless, BMW is a good brand and yes the Ms are benchmarks. It has been said that Cadillac is what BMW used to be.
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Mid engined 911RSR was leading in GTLM, and screwed up in the pits. Corvette came in and snatched the win. With Ford in 2nd, Ferrari in 3rd. And Ferrari and Ford had been battling.
LMPDi and overall went to Cadillac.
Lots of placings exchange for most of the race, especially the earlier and middle portions, but for the last almost two hours Corvette kept it's first place, and for most of the race the Germans were not in the top 3. One of the 911s was running hard for some portions yes, however pit timing and strategy is a huge part of the race (re: your comment that it "messed up in the pits. One of the two Corvettes was out early due to mechanical failure (also part of the race), the #3 C7R team won overall last season so when they were out it was pretty astonishing that the #4 C7R (usually the underdog between the two) still won first! Antonio drove insane in those last 3 hours, passing one Porsche, Ferrari and 3 Ford GTs!
"Overall" win is meaningless since it just goes to the faster Prototype class - which still top 3 were Cadillacs (American)
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U pick out one race to prove your point? ::)
Stick to your "budget car" corvette ;D
lol was just a funny example and in real time so I took advantage of it.
Obviously a 150k porsche must be more luxurious than a 80k Corvette, especially when they perform similar or when the P car even performs worse.
If you're argument is about luxury sure I can understand that, it's just the blanket "but this car has German engineering!" that I laugh at and interestingly none of the Porsche/BMW/Mercedes owners I know have used this phrase, partly why I called it a fanboy phrase
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Unfortunately for all marketing departments, there is no relationship whatsover between modern race cars and autos you can buy in showrooms....
Dito for racing results, they don't influence real car sales.
New car models and quality actually do
Racing is a complete waste of money
During the last global economic crises car manufacturers suddenly realised this and cut back race budgets enormously
Several criteria of the GTLM cars are required to be based on production models, and it gets fans together and builds brand loyalty too, I'm sure these manufacturers know what's a worthwhile investment for their brand better than a random get bigger knows lol
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You pick one race to prove your point? I'm pretty sure we're talking about engineertin sports cars on the street as well. A lot of different factors go into racing. Fact is the BMW M cars are the benchmark for their class, and have been for years. Until you've owned one I'm not sure how you can comment on the engineering. They put any American sports car I've driven to shame. The new DCT is simply amazing. Looks, performance, luxury. You won't find it in any American sports car. There is a reason why Ford is trying to make their Mustangs resemble a BMW M4 now. They're doing a shitty job of it by the way. Every other car manufacturer is trying to make their cars resemble BMW as well. Alfa Romeo just came out with the Guilia that is a copy of the BMW M3. Go drive an M4 and see for yourself.
We all have different personal preferences when it comes to looks, but performance is more black.and white and you can't argue numbers. Personally I don't feel I'm driving a "sports car" when I tried an M4 nor does the exterior styling scream so - roofline and seating position are a bit too high for my liking plus it's hard to have a sports car look when there's a back seat.
More of a sporty luxury coupe I'd say.
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Several criteria of the GTLM cars are required to be based on production models, and it gets fans together and builds brand loyalty too, I'm sure these manufacturers know what's a worthwhile investment for their brand better than a random get bigger knows lol
You seem to think the "big three" were and are run by competent people? hahahahahaha
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You seem to think the "big three" were and are run by competent people? hahahahahaha
Maybe you should be their marketing director since you're apparently more competent lol
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I'd love to see the heap of shit you drive...My guess is you've never driven one, much less have the means to buy one...
lol you come across as a stereotypical chest-thumping bmw owner "I bet you can't afford my car!" which makes a douchey rep for the brand despite many down to earth bmw guys
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Solutions to problems that never existed.
Remember in the first year iDrive 7 series when reverse was only able to be activated through iDrive?
What in all that is holy was up with that?
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No love for the upcoming Buick Avista?
(https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/buick-avista-concept-8-1280x720.jpg)
(http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/16/01/1600x800/landscape-1452470559-2016-buick-avista-concept-012.jpg)
What about the Buick Avenir?
(https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jaclyntrop/files/2016/09/2015-Buick-Avenir-Concept-019-1200x600.jpg?width=960)
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/01/2015-Buick-Avenir-Concept-rear-1-e1483488719614.jpg)
Say what you want, but they build a High Quality car.
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Not since the 80s. Thanks for playing.
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You're simply ignorant. I'd love to see the heap of shit you drive. You need an oil. Hangs with a BMW, you take the car in, drop it off, they give you a loaner for the day. My guess is you've never driven one, much less have the means to buy one. BMW sales are higher than they've ever been, so not too shabby for such pieces of shit.
Yeah, I am starting to think he is just trolling now.
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I've owned 3 BMW 5 series one was a lemon. I've currently lease a new Mercedes 300 and can't be happier. I'm almost an hour away from the dealer and when there is maintenance to do they drive to my house and leave me a new one to drive till they get back.
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Maybe you should be their marketing director since you're apparently more competent lol
Maybe you are too young / ignorant to remember the disastrous FoMoCo takeovers of Volvo, Jaguar, Landrover and Aston Martin?
Chrysler / Mercedes failed "merger"?
Chrysler near bankruptcies?
GM's decades of losses on the European market (OPEL and Vauxhall)
GM's chronic and failing atempts to sell Caddys and Chevys in Europe
GM's totally failed takeover of SAAB?
Hummer, Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Saturn, all failures (That's quite a lot of brands actually....)
etc etc
USA can do much better when it comes to quality management. Often the wrong people end up in boards of the big three....
Competence does not seem to be a requirement ;D
(But they always blame imports, politics, environment, currency exchange rates, economy etc etc)
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Solutions to problems that never existed.
Remember in the first year iDrive 7 series when reverse was only able to be activated through iDrive?
What in all that is holy was up with that?
Family of mine had a 2002 730D. With the first shift by wire gear change lever, no need or possibility to enter reverse through the i-Drive
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No love for the upcoming Buick Avista?
(https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/buick-avista-concept-8-1280x720.jpg)
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What about the Buick Avenir?
(https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jaclyntrop/files/2016/09/2015-Buick-Avenir-Concept-019-1200x600.jpg?width=960)
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Say what you want, but they build a High Quality car.
Good looking cars - Avista looks similar to Some Bentley models
Can't comment on the interiors or build quality I got no idea.
Are they concept or production cars.
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In the most important luxury market of the near future it's USA number 1, and the rest years behind: Electric cars. See Tesla and the impressive Lucid Air for example
Nope.... Tesla won't be number 1
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And BMW seemingly with all their engineering, they screw up their M engines. The S54 was blowing rods, and BMW at first blamed US drivers who had manuals. Then the SMG ones started throwing rods. Then it was another thing. The S65 had rod bearing failures. And now the N55/S55 has crank hub failure.
Also, a lot of people on BMW M forums have cross shopped or seriously looked at the Mustang Shelby GT350, with a bespoked Voodoo V8. That is a plus for people. The head of BMW had already said that there will not be anymore bespoked M engines (like S54, S65, S85, S62). But that they will closely related to or tuned versions of production engines.
The Mustang also is the leading sporty car in Germany, home of BMW.
A lot of people are raving about the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde, even BMW M owners. And the engine is basically a Ferrari V8 with two cylinders looped off. Who know about their reliability, though.
Let's not dismiss the American makes---they are making good cars. The Corvette has done well in international racing, and BMW no longer races the M4 in the same category as the 911, Corvette anymore. The M6 is not even that competitive.
Nevertheless, BMW is a good brand and yes the Ms are benchmarks. It has been said that Cadillac is what BMW used to be.
S54 and S65 motors were "minor", I've owned both with over 100k miles, no problems, many others have as well. Overall the e46 and e9x m3's are very reliable, more than the n54 motors
American car companies are building great cars now but sales are not up to German and Japanese luxury, Cadillac is struggling
As good as Cadillac is they can't outsell Lexus, German big 3 or even Infiniti and I think Acura. Why is that? Maybe cause of American "stigma" that American car companies produced low quality garbage for decades
Even the Koreans are coming fast...
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Nope.... Tesla won't be number 1
On the American market, they already are number one:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-12/tesla-dominates-u-s-luxury-sedan-sales
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Maybe you are too young / ignorant to remember the disastrous FoMoCo takeovers of Volvo, Jaguar, Landrover and Aston Martin?
Chrysler / Mercedes failed "merger"?
Chrysler near bankruptcies?
GM's decades of losses on the European market (OPEL and Vauxhall)
GM's chronic and failing atempts to sell Caddys and Chevys in Europe
GM's totally failed takeover of SAAB?
Hummer, Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Saturn, all failures (That's quite a lot of brands actually....)
etc etc
USA can do much better when it comes to quality management. Often the wrong people end up in boards of the big three....
Competence does not seem to be a requirement ;D
(But they always blame imports, politics, environment, currency exchange rates, economy etc etc)
Anyhow this started when discussing investment in racing - the Corvette has been a strong money maker, and its investment in racing does build brand loyalty, gets drivers themselves more interested in tracking their cars (resulting in additional maintenance costs of their vettes, much of which results in extra revenue for GM), gets kids liking the brand at an early age and more likely to consider one when they grow up, etc etc
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On the American market, they already are number one:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-12/tesla-dominates-u-s-luxury-sedan-sales
As a company/whole it isn't number 1, they are comparing "one" model against others, we will see how long their model/models can stay competitive, as of now they are more of a niche, cars are built with bad quality/materials and questionable reliability at best
They aren't number one as a whole, good concept but overrated as shit, time will tell since they aren't a "real" automaker yet
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Maybe you are too young / ignorant to remember the disastrous FoMoCo takeovers of Volvo, Jaguar, Landrover and Aston Martin?
Chrysler / Mercedes failed "merger"?
Chrysler near bankruptcies?
GM's decades of losses on the European market (OPEL and Vauxhall)
GM's chronic and failing atempts to sell Caddys and Chevys in Europe
GM's totally failed takeover of SAAB?
Hummer, Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Saturn, all failures (That's quite a lot of brands actually....)
etc etc
USA can do much better when it comes to quality management. Often the wrong people end up in boards of the big three....
Competence does not seem to be a requirement ;D
(But they always blame imports, politics, environment, currency exchange rates, economy etc etc)
Forty years ago the Big three had America all to themselves. Germany and Japan were gaining, but were no where near as strong as they are today. That couldn't last. Yes, the American auto manufactures have had incompetent management, but there was just no way to keep as many brands as there were with all the additional foreign competition.
In addition, you have to give credit to the Japanese, German, and Korean (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Hyundai, and Kia). They've all played their A game.
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Maybe you are too young / ignorant to remember the disastrous FoMoCo takeovers of Volvo, Jaguar, Landrover and Aston Martin?
Chrysler / Mercedes failed "merger"?
Chrysler near bankruptcies?
GM's decades of losses on the European market (OPEL and Vauxhall)
GM's chronic and failing atempts to sell Caddys and Chevys in Europe
GM's totally failed takeover of SAAB?
Hummer, Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Saturn, all failures (That's quite a lot of brands actually....)
etc etc
USA can do much better when it comes to quality management. Often the wrong people end up in boards of the big three....
Competence does not seem to be a requirement ;D
(But they always blame imports, politics, environment, currency exchange rates, economy etc etc)
In 1976 the Oldsmobile Cutlass was the best selling car in America.
(http://momentcar.com/images/oldsmobile-cutlass-1976-1.jpg)
At the same time Toyota was selling the Corona. Which would you rather have? My point is the foreign competition got stronger over time.
(http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/images/toyota/photo//1998001_1974_Corona_Sedan_color-prv.jpg)
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In 1976 the Oldsmobile Cutlass was the best selling car in America.
(http://momentcar.com/images/oldsmobile-cutlass-1976-1.jpg)
At the same time Toyota was selling the Corona. Which would you rather have? My point is the foreign competition got stronger over time.
(https://www.carspecsguru.com/img/cars_catalog/2980/9f53c0dd_big.jpg)
(http://momentcar.com/images/oldsmobile-cutlass-1976-1.jpg)
Red one any day of the week.
Only a fool would choose the other. The olds is bigger and more comfortable with better lines.
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I've owned 3 BMW 5 series one was a lemon. I've currently lease a new Mercedes 300 and can't be happier. I'm almost an hour away from the dealer and when there is maintenance to do they drive to my house and leave me a new one to drive till they get back.
Does your husband drive the E-Class?
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I appreciate and hang out with car guys of all brands....even the one on the far left which was "German Engineered" to be the high roofline one of the bunch ;-)
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For Bevo, $100k BMW M2. Price is due to the non standard M2 color that you cannot get.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BR5nMiaFR25/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BR5nMiaFR25/?hl=en)
(https://storage.googleapis.com/gtspirit/uploads/2017/03/BMW-M2-Austin-Yellow-1068x800.jpg)
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Good looking cars - Avista looks similar to Some Bentley models
Can't comment on the interiors or build quality I got no idea.
Are they concept or production cars.
America has made killer looking concept cars for ages then the production models look like shit
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My Uber last night was the '17 Continental. Chintzy is the best way to describe it. Genesis - Hyundai's new luxury brand - is way ahead of it.
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For Bevo, $100k BMW M2. Price is due to the non standard M2 color that you cannot get.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BR5nMiaFR25/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BR5nMiaFR25/?hl=en)
(https://storage.googleapis.com/gtspirit/uploads/2017/03/BMW-M2-Austin-Yellow-1068x800.jpg)
You can get that color standard on the M4. I have Sakhir Orange Metallic on my M4. Beautiful color. Not sure why that car is so expensive, you can get a fully loaded M4 with carbon ceramic brakes brand new for around $90k. The M2 is really just a cheaper, less powerful version of the M4. Very cheap looking inside compared to the M4.
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You can get that color standard on the M4. I have Sakhir Orange Metallic on my M4. Beautiful color. Not sure why that car is so expensive, you can get a fully loaded M4 with carbon ceramic brakes brand new for around $90k. The M2 is really just a cheaper, less powerful version of the M4. Very cheap looking inside compared to the M4.
The paint shop at the Leipzig is not set up for M4 colors. So for this to have been done, they would have to have shut down production line, and set up the paint shop for this. This was done at then end of the 1M's production for Java Green 1Ms.
The M2 is cheaper, and doesn't have the interior of the M4, but it has been universally praised as being better than the M4 in fun factor, toss-ability, and it even sounds better than the M4. This is due to the M2 having one twin scroll turbo as opposed to two, like in the M4.
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America has made killer looking concept cars for ages then the production models look like shit
The concept vs production car delta goes for imports too - recall the Toyota supra concept for example