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Obamacare isn't perfect, but it's been the law of the land for 7 years.
How can Trump get something passed that will be better?
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GOP as opposition party:
Repealed Obamacare 63 times.
GOP as governing party: cannot repeal Obamacare even once!
A better question is if Trumpcare was such a shit plan.... why were they hellbent on forcing it on everyone? 17% approval? HAHAHAHA
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I don't think Trump or the republicans had any serious health care plan ready to go.
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Fuck both of them..
Can I just get my old healthcare plan back already?
REPEAL.... put back the same friggin system that was around for 100 years...
THEN work on a replacement..
Retards... all of them
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Fuck both of them..
Can I just get my old healthcare plan back already?
REPEAL.... put back the same friggin system that was around for 100 years...
THEN work on a replacement..
Retards... all of them
I keep asking myself the same question.
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Because the Health Insurance companies are the ones who author these "bills" and then pay for them to pass
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Obamacare isn't perfect, but it's been the law of the land for 7 years.
It put millions on health Ins that didn't have it before.
It took a little over a year of hard , legislative work for Obama to sign it into law in early 2010.
Trump often shouted he would repeal and replace Obamacare quickly once he got into office.
Ok, so he's now in office with a republican house and senate.
Despite this edge, he couldn't pass his now failed AHCA plan into law.
Of course they worked on it for a whopping 17 days before folding their tents. :o
Final analysis:
Obamacare - landmark legislation on health care that lasts 7 years and counting.
Trumpcare - failed bill that was pulled after 17 days.
What the hell kind of a comparison is that? Hahaha holy fuck, you were a teacher?
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Obamacare isn't perfect, but it's been the law of the land for 7 years.
It put millions on health Ins that didn't have it before.
It took a little over a year of hard , legislative work for Obama to sign it into law in early 2010.
Trump often shouted he would repeal and replace Obamacare quickly once he got into office.
Ok, so he's now in office with a republican house and senate.
Despite this edge, he couldn't pass his now failed AHCA plan into law.
Of course they worked on it for a whopping 17 days before folding their tents. :o
Final analysis:
Obamacare - landmark legislation on health care that lasts 7 years and counting.
Trumpcare - failed bill that was pulled after 17 days.
It was overwhelmingly unpopular by the American people but to reiterate....it was "shoved down our throats" On a recess, without including republican vote, behind closed doors, in the middle of the night while coercing a Supreme Court Judge. Like I said, liberals are some of the dumbest mother f**kers on the face of the planet. They offer nothing nor can they ever defend a position
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It was overwhelmingly unpopular by the American people but to reiterate....it was "shoved down our throats" On a recess, without including republican vote, behind closed doors, in the middle of the night while coercing a Supreme Court Judge. Like I said, liberals are some of the dumbest mother f**kers on the face of the planet. They offer nothing nor can they ever defend a position
Unpopular? So unpopular that the Republican planned only garnered a 17% approval rating.
You calling someone else dumb is laughable when you are considered by the majority of the board to be the stupidest person posting on here.
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Fuck both of them..
Can I just get my old healthcare plan back already?
REPEAL.... put back the same friggin system that was around for 100 years...
THEN work on a replacement..
Retards... all of them
No... You can't get your old healthcare plan.
I understand people liking the way it was. I get it, if you were the fortunate one to have good healthcare because of company benefits or whatever. I do get it.
That said, there were tens of millions of people who had zero coverage at all and now they do. There is no way that it will go back to the way it was. It won't happen.
The only thing that's going to possible change at this point, will be socialized medicine like the rest of the western world. If you hate socialism, you're in for a bad day, because that's the only way health care will change from what you have now.
Medicare for all will be the law of the land if anything happens.
What changed from your company provided healthcare when the ACA went into effect? Why am I the only person with company paid healthcare that actually had the cost go down a bit and the coverage get a little better?
I can't be that special of a case.
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Unpopular? So unpopular that the Republican planned only garnered a 17% approval rating.
You calling someone else dumb is laughable when you are considered by the majority of the board to be the stupidest person posting on here.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/10/30/obamacare_more_unpopular_now_than_2010_294571.html
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No... You can't get your old healthcare plan.
That said, there were tens of millions of people who had zero coverage at all and now they do. There is no way that it will go back to the way it was. It won't happen.
Part of the problem with this is that coverage does not equate to healthcare.
Many who got "coverage" can afford deductibles and co-pays so they still don't get the necessary care provided.
The system is still deeply flawed and needs more than a tweak.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/10/30/obamacare_more_unpopular_now_than_2010_294571.html
Trumpcare = 17% Enough said.
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Trumpcare = 17% Enough said.
What part of my first post did you miss? Maybe the part where no one wanted it but was "shoved down our throats" anyway? You're trolling. You have to be
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Part of the problem with this is that coverage does not equate to healthcare.
Many who got "coverage" can afford deductibles and co-pays so they still don't get the necessary care provided.
The system is still deeply flawed and needs more than a tweak.
Totally get where you are coming from. I don't necessarily disagree. What's the alternative? I'm telling you, the only thing that's going to happen is going to be single payer.
Which is really just socialized healthcare, but without the word "socialism" in it.
It's just reality.
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Totally get where you are coming from. I don't necessarily disagree. What's the alternative? I'm telling you, the only thing that's going to happen is going to be single payer.
Which is really just socialized healthcare, but without the word "socialism" in it.
It's just reality.
Like Canada has?
Like all the Canadians that drive over the border to pay for healthcare here with cash because their healthcare SUCKS donkey balls
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.gov can't even run the VA effectively.
multiply that insanity by 15
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https://www.facebook.com/dickmorriscom/videos/10155056896644438/?story_fbid=10155056896644438&id=8057684437
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/10/30/obamacare_more_unpopular_now_than_2010_294571.html
why are you posting a link from October 2012?
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why are you posting a link from October 2012?
Simple pointing out that it was more of a piece two years after its inception and continued to get worse after that. You've been had by your lying messiah
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What part of my first post did you miss? Maybe the part where no one wanted it but was "shoved down our throats" anyway? You're trolling. You have to be
Like Trumpcare would have been if they had the votes?
Why am I not surprised you can't grasp simple logic?
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Simple pointing out that it was more of a piece two years after its inception and continued to get worse after that. You've been had by your lying messiah
and 4 years later it much more popular - which is very likely due to people actually having a chance to use it and realize the benefits in their own lives or those of their family members
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and 4 years later it much more popular - which is very likely due to people actually having a chance to use it and realize the benefits in their own lives or those of their family members
Wrong dead wrong more and more people are opting to pay the fine rather than pay the premium because they cannot afford the premiums more and more insurance companies In certain states are leaving Obamacare because it is not sustainable
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and 4 years later it much more popular - which is very likely due to people actually having a chance to use it and realize the benefits in their own lives or those of their family members
The bleating continues.
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The bleating continues.
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Wrong dead wrong more and more people are opting to pay the fine rather than pay the premium because they cannot afford the premiums more and more insurance companies In certain states are leaving Obamacare because it is not sustainable
from ~ 6 weeks ago
could be even more popular now
certainly MUCH more support than what was proposed by Republicans to replace it
A poll released by Public Policy Polling on Thursday showed that 46% of Americans said they support the ACA, while 41% oppose the law.
Additionally, PPP found that 62% of people polled said they wanted to keep the ACA and make changes to it, while 33% said they wanted it repealed and the US to start over with a new healthcare law.
"Obamacare continues to become more popular the more talk there is about repealing it," PPP said in a release.
The poll follows two others that show the ACA is becoming more popular with Americans. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found that 45% of Americans said they approved of the law and 41% disapproved, and a Morning Consult/Politico poll this week found 47% said they approved while 45% disapproved.
http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-obamacare-approve-popularity-2017-2
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from ~ 6 weeks ago
could be even more popular now
certainly MUCH more support than what was proposed by Republicans to replace it
A poll released by Public Policy Polling on Thursday showed that 46% of Americans said they support the ACA, while 41% oppose the law.
Additionally, PPP found that 62% of people polled said they wanted to keep the ACA and make changes to it, while 33% said they wanted it repealed and the US to start over with a new healthcare law.
"Obamacare continues to become more popular the more talk there is about repealing it," PPP said in a release.
The poll follows two others that show the ACA is becoming more popular with Americans. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found that 45% of Americans said they approved of the law and 41% disapproved, and a Morning Consult/Politico poll this week found 47% said they approved while 45% disapproved.
http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-obamacare-approve-popularity-2017-2
Queue the comment about the fake news polls having Hillary win.
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No... You can't get your old healthcare plan.
I understand people liking the way it was. I get it, if you were the fortunate one to have good healthcare because of company benefits or whatever. I do get it.
That said, there were tens of millions of people who had zero coverage at all and now they do. There is no way that it will go back to the way it was. It won't happen.
The only thing that's going to possible change at this point, will be socialized medicine like the rest of the western world. If you hate socialism, you're in for a bad day, because that's the only way health care will change from what you have now.
Medicare for all will be the law of the land if anything happens.
What changed from your company provided healthcare when the ACA went into effect? Why am I the only person with company paid healthcare that actually had the cost go down a bit and the coverage get a little better?
I can't be that special of a case.
You're not the only one. The hundreds of retards that I work with all had ours go down as well.
One of the good things is that insurance companies now have to sell real coverage. I'm sorry if you can't buy an insurance card anymore and tell people you have insurance but the fact is that
so many people whose plans changed and had to pay more is because they really didn't have coverage on the dinosaur plans of yesteryear.
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You're not the only one. The hundreds of retards that I work with all had ours go down as well.
One of the good things is that insurance companies now have to sell real coverage. I'm sorry if you can't buy an insurance card anymore and tell people you have insurance but the fact is that
so many people whose plans changed and had to pay more is because they really didn't have coverage on the dinosaur plans of yesteryear.
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from ~ 6 weeks ago
could be even more popular now
certainly MUCH more support than what was proposed by Republicans to replace it
A poll released by Public Policy Polling on Thursday showed that 46% of Americans said they support the ACA, while 41% oppose the law.
Additionally, PPP found that 62% of people polled said they wanted to keep the ACA and make changes to it, while 33% said they wanted it repealed and the US to start over with a new healthcare law.
"Obamacare continues to become more popular the more talk there is about repealing it," PPP said in a release.
The poll follows two others that show the ACA is becoming more popular with Americans. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found that 45% of Americans said they approved of the law and 41% disapproved, and a Morning Consult/Politico poll this week found 47% said they approved while 45% disapproved.
http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-obamacare-approve-popularity-2017-2
Really? What was the demographic of that poll? Keep it and MAKE CHANGES to it. Fine, call it something else. Listen to the last thread I posted. No fucking way in hell youre going to tell that people are happy with a mandated health care "program" that if you don't sign up for, you get fined, pay a penalty or whatever you want to call it. I prefer to call it blackmail. You're high if you think people want that.
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HAHAHAHA. 17%. But yet Trump claiming it was "close... very close margin to being passed".
Obviously using numbers that only Coach and DeVos believe in.
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How many Getbiggers qualify for the Affordable Health-care plan (Obamacare)?
Obamacare subsidy income levels
Family Size Minimum Income: 100% of Poverty Level Maximum Income: 400% of Poverty Level
1 $11,880 $47,520
2 $16,020 $64,080
3 $20,160 $80,640
4 $24,300 $97,200
Personal income is an individual's total earnings from wages, investment interest, and other sources. The US Census Bureau reported a median personal income of $30,240 for all workers over age 15 with income, and a mean personal income of $44,510 based on the Current Population Survey for 2015.
Incomes have gone up since 2015. The census for 2016 income will be announced in September 2017.
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Let's use a bodybuilding comparison:
Trump care ( AHCA)- never competed and quit after 17 days of dieting :o
Obamacare (ACA) - competing and placing in shows for 7 years and counting ;)
'nuff said
LOL!!
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Let's use a bodybuilding comparison:
Trump care ( AHCA)- never competed and quit after 17 days of dieting :o
Obamacare (ACA) - competing and placing in shows for 7 years and counting ;)
'nuff said
So basically you did miss the part where it was "shoved down our throats"..got it
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So basically you did miss the part where it was "shoved down our throats"..got it
The only shoved down your throat was a harsh dose of reality for the past eight years.
I take it you prefer the taste of your own delusions better?
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People on welfare not paying for ObamaCare love it. People who work for a living and pay for it hate it.
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People on welfare not paying for ObamaCare love it. People who work for a living and pay for it hate it.
It's called Medicaid/Medicare. It existed long before Obama came around.
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People on welfare not paying for ObamaCare love it. People who work for a living and pay for it hate it.
How do you get that it's people on welfare? Because they are poor? So all poor people are on welfare.
Interesting rationale.
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How do you get that it's people on welfare? Because they are poor? So all poor people are on welfare.
Interesting rationale.
Yes. Cause those actually paying for it have seen drastic price hikes. Those who are on welfare and the public tit like strawqueen and andreisamess who get free Medicare or subsidies love it.
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Yes. Cause those actually paying for it have seen drastic price hikes. Those who are on welfare and the public tit like strawqueen and andreisamess who get free Medicare or subsidies love it.
Actually to qualify for Obamacare you have to make a minimum of $12K (that is what I have heard here). If you are on welfare, you get Medicaid.
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The only shoved down your throat was a harsh dose of reality for the past eight years.
I take it you prefer the taste of your own delusions better?
Tell me about that "harsh reality" again. The "harsh reality" was on Nov. 8 when you thought Killary was going to win by 98% and then the people spoke. Basically saying they REJECTED the last eight years of lies and didn't want to continue with the same bullshit. There...there is YOUR harsh reality!!
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Actually to qualify for Obamacare you have to make a minimum of $12K (that is what I have heard here). If you are on welfare, you get Medicaid.
Right - so take someone who is like Andre. Fat - gay - doesn't work - able body but can - sits on GB all day trolling dudes - he loves the Medicare expansion cause it's free Shit. Straw loves it because he can put his Ecuadorian husband and his kid on both for free cause he ain't paying for it either.
Meanwhile - people like you and me paying for all this bullshit.
I'll bet vissy on Obamacare and posting from obamaphOne too.
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I'll bet vissy on Obamacare and posting from obamaphOne too.
What does a person who has never even logged into Getbig have to do with ANYTHING?
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and 4 years later it much more popular - which is very likely due to people actually having a chance to use it and realize the benefits in their own lives or those of their family members
This....is absolute horse shit. Obamacare is a disaster by any sane assessment. It's not a shit storm, it's a shit hurricane.
If healthcare wasn't so important to Americans I would tell Trump to do nothing and just let it collapse on itself. It's currently in a death spiral.
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What does a person who has never even logged into Getbig have to do with ANYTHING?
It's GB - got to keep it old school
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So basically you did miss the part where it was "shoved down our throats"..got it
Do you even qualify for Obamacare?
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Do you even qualify for Obamacare?
On this page - strawfag and AndreisaLGBTQWTF , straws husband qualify - for free along with their free phones . Rest of us pay the freight
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Tell me about that "harsh reality" again. The "harsh reality" was on Nov. 8 when you thought Killary was going to win by 98% and then the people spoke. Basically saying they REJECTED the last eight years of lies and didn't want to continue with the same bullshit. There...there is YOUR harsh reality!!
Yeah. The people spoke. That is why more of them voted Clinton than Trump.
That's the reality. Trump couldn't get the majority of the country's votes. Hell, Trump can't even get a majority of votes in his own party now. Duh!!
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Right - so take someone who is like Andre. Fat - gay - doesn't work - able body but can - sits on GB all day trolling dudes - he loves the Medicare expansion cause it's free Shit. Straw loves it because he can put his Ecuadorian husband and his kid on both for free cause he ain't paying for it either.
Meanwhile - people like you and me paying for all this bullshit.
I'll bet vissy on Obamacare and posting from obamaphOne too.
Anyone who doesn't work - whether they can or not - is on Medicaid/Medicare. That is a part of Social Security/Disability/Welfare. That has nothing to do with Obamacare. Those benefits were standard long before Obama took office. Obamacare is for health insurance coverage for people who are working and do not qualify for Medicaid/Medicare. People making low income saw their insurance premiums go down. The entry level OR tech that started Jan 1st here is making $24K a year. (Not much, but he is only 19 with a 6 month certificate) his Obamacare monthly payment is $34. That is not a shit plan either. Blue Cross Blue Shield, $750 Deductible, $1500 out of pocket, $5 doc, $15 specialist, $5 Rx (brand name).
Great plan, saves him a ton of money each month that he doesn't have to spend hundreds on health care. But it is EXACTLY because he benefits from it is why insurance companies jacked up the premiums for everyone else that didn't qualify as low income. Yeah.. he might save some money, but 4-5 other people out there are now paying higher rates to compensate the insurance companies for their "loss", so to speak.
But yeah.... welfare and people who can work but don't.... that's whole another can of worms there you don't want me to get started on.
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Right - so take someone who is like Andre. Fat - gay - doesn't work - able body but can - sits on GB all day trolling dudes - he loves the Medicare expansion cause it's free Shit. Straw loves it because he can put his Ecuadorian husband and his kid on both for free cause he ain't paying for it either.
Meanwhile - people like you and me paying for all this bullshit.
I'll bet vissy on Obamacare and posting from obamaphOne too.
This is an aside.
I know a couple of people who qualify and utilize Medicaid and a lot of other free shit from the government, partly because they cheat and lie. While they enjoy these freebies, they are staunch Trump supporters and hate anything Obama. When the mother was recently incarcerated for failing to meet the responsibilities of her probation, which she is on for having several DUII's in the past few years, she and her adult daughter blame the judge who sent her to jail for 21 days. Now they are talking about suing him.
Why is it that people who most benefit from government programs sponsored with taxpayer's funds, complain about the system that keeps them afloat and embrace a system that will take them down? Are they just stupid?
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This is an aside.
I know a couple of people who qualify and utilize Medicaid and a lot of other free shit from the government, partly because they cheat and lie. While they enjoy these freebies, they are staunch Trump supporters and hate anything Obama. When the mother was recently incarcerated for failing to meet the responsibilities of her probation, which she is on for having several DUII's in the past few years, she and her adult daughter blame the judge who sent her to jail for 21 days. Now they are talking about suing him.
Why is it that people who most benefit from government programs sponsored with taxpayer's funds, complain about the system that keeps them afloat and embrace a system that will take them down? Are they just stupid?
No idea.
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This is an aside.
I know a couple of people who qualify and utilize Medicaid and a lot of other free shit from the government, partly because they cheat and lie. While they enjoy these freebies, they are staunch Trump supporters and hate anything Obama. When the mother was recently incarcerated for failing to meet the responsibilities of her probation, which she is on for having several DUII's in the past few years, she and her adult daughter blame the judge who sent her to jail for 21 days. Now they are talking about suing him.
Why is it that people who most benefit from government programs sponsored with taxpayer's funds, complain about the system that keeps them afloat and embrace a system that will take them down? Are they just stupid?
Greed.
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On this page - strawfag and AndreisaLGBTQWTF , straws husband qualify - for free along with their free phones . Rest of us pay the freight
Great contribution and hey Mod's great job as always
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Are Republican really just a bunch of fucking amateurs
they thought they could overhaul healthcare in two and half weeks with "ONE HOUR WEEKLY MEETINGS"?
WTF???
Texas Republican Rep. Randy Weber, a member of the House Freedom Caucus who opposed the GOP health care bill said Tuesday he thought that the GOP conference could find a way to get a revised Obamacare bill through the House if they all got in a room and put their heads together.
"We need to stay here on the weekend and have an all-day conference," Weber said, noting that the one-hour weekly meetings weren't enough time to work through the sticking points.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/28/politics/republicans-health-care/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/upshot/obamacare-choices-could-go-from-one-to-zero-in-some-areas.html?_r=0
Parts of the country are in jeopardy of not having an insurer offering Obamacare plans next year.
Many counties already have just one insurer offering health plans in the Obamacare marketplaces, and some of those solo insurers are showing signs that they are eyeing the exits.
Humana announced this year that they’d be leaving the markets altogether next year. That means there are parts of Tennessee that will have no insurance options unless another insurer decides to enter.
And Anthem, which operates in 14 states, is getting nervous, an industry analyst told Bloomberg News this week. Its departure would be a much bigger problem. According to an analysis of government data by Katherine Hempstead at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, Anthem is currently the only insurance carrier in nearly 300 counties, serving about a quarter of a million people.
As you can see on our map of those counties, an Anthem departure could leave coverage gaps in substantial parts of Georgia, Missouri, Kentucky, Ohio and Colorado, as well as smaller holes in other states. In places where no insurance company offers plans, there will be no way for Obamacare customers to use subsidies to buy health plans.
Without an option for affordable coverage, they would become exempt from the health law’s mandate to obtain coverage. A result could be large increases in the number of Americans without health insurance.
The Places Where Obamacare Markets Are Thin
Humana said it would leave the marketplace next year, and Anthem is considering doing so. People may end up without options.
Counties with only one insurance carrier in 2017. (Unshaded counties have at least two.)
Ark.
Calif.
Ill.
Kan.
Miss.
Ohio
Tex.
Ala.
Iowa
La.
Minn.
Mo.
Neb.
Ariz.
Colo.
Ind.
Mich.
Mont.
N.Y.
Ore.
Va.
Wyo.
N.C.
Okla.
Tenn.
Wis.
Alaska
Vt.
N.D.
Ga.
Me.
R.I.
W.Va.
Idaho
S.D.
N.M.
Wash.
Pa.
Fla.
Utah
Ky.
N.H.
S.C.
Nev.
Hawaii
N.J.
Conn.
Md.
Mass.
Del.
Humana
Anthem
Another single insurer
More than one insurer
Source: Robert Wood Johnson Foundation analysis of Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services data.
The Affordable Care Act set up new markets for people who don’t get insurance through work or the government. About 11 million people bought coverage on those state markets last year. But the system depends on the voluntary participation of private insurance companies. And some parts of the country have proved more popular for insurers than others.
In the last year, several large commercial insurance companies decided to stop offering insurance in the markets. And some carriers that continued to offer Obamacare plans scaled back on the number of counties they served. In general, the places without much remaining insurance competition tend to be rural and expensive. (These areas tend to have fewer hospitals and doctors to choose from, reducing the ability of insurers to negotiate lower prices.)
There are a number of solo-carrier counties served by other companies, but none by as many as Anthem, Ms. Hempstead’s analysis shows. Cigna, the company with the next-largest potential impact, is the only carrier in 14 counties, containing about 100,000 insurance customers.
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Anthem could well stay in the markets. It may simply be floating the option of departure to improve its negotiating position with the Trump administration over various regulatory requests. Or it may be expressing anxiety about the future. Insurers around the country are worried about the policy environment surrounding the Affordable Care Act. Mr. Trump has said that the health law “will explode” — a comment that may suggest he will do little to help the markets, or could even set the fuse.
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When insurers left communities in recent years, the Obama administration and local officials worked hard to recruit replacements. The Trump administration might not do the same. So far, no carrier has come forward publicly to say it will serve the counties in Tennessee that Humana is leaving.
Insurers are making initial decisions about where to sell their products and how much to charge. But the final lineup of insurers is still several months away. Some states require companies to file initial requests this month, and the Trump administration has asked for price proposals in late June. If, after that, insurers decide the political or regulatory outlook looks less favorable, they will still have several months to leave the markets.
The Obama shit show
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I don't get it..
Why can't they just repeal... go back to before ACA and than figure out what they want to replace it with from there..