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In a week you'll have the BF % that'll have people turning heads at the beach ......
But be careful !!!!
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In a week you'll have the BF % that'll have people turning heads on the beach ......
But be careful !!!!
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Wooo SHHHHHH TA N A KA
THATS NOT AJ...
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dnp is very dangerous, havent a few retards died from that over the years.
i remember first reading about in muscle media magazine
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Dangerous stuff to fuck with IMO,and not needed if you put in the work.
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They use it in pesticides. If you overdose it cooks you from the inside out abs there is no way of stopping it.
There have been numerous deaths from it.
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It would be utterly idiotic to use it if you're an average gym rat.
If you're a pro bodybuilder competing in a top event then it is still idiotic, but at least the rewards are higher (relative fame, money, etc.).
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You'll even sweat yellow coloring out of your skin. only retards use it.
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not dangerous if you know what you are doing. Not many people do.
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not dangerous if you know what you are doing. Not many people do.
True, since you wouldn't use it.
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True, since you wouldn't use it.
i used it 3-4 times. 2 week cycles. Works well.
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also I would not use DNP bought illegaly. I have access to lab grade stuff.
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i havent heard anything good about it. if someone is that desparate to take off fat fast, thats pretty bad. i mean this is something that can literally kill you, the first time you take it if done wrong
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Yes, logic says it will cause many problems, even for those who stay alive after cycling it.
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i havent heard anything good about it. if someone is that desparate to take off fat fast, thats pretty bad. i mean this is something that can literally kill you, the first time you take it if done wrong
yes. The current research is focusing though on a weight loss medication similar to DNP in mechanism of action. As I said, it works very well, but you need to understand the mechanism, dosages, basic pharmacokinetics.
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I got an idea how bout dieting.
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I got an idea how bout dieting.
why pull a plow with a horse when you have a tractor?
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also I would not use DNP bought illegaly. I have access to lab grade stuff.
I've news for you buddy, it's all illegal, it's not as if it's a legitimate pharmaceutical medication
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I've news for you buddy, it's all illegal, it's not as if it's a legitimate pharmaceutical medication
yes. I bought it legally.
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also I would not use DNP bought illegaly. I have access to lab grade stuff.
Hahaha at lab grade. You mean industrial grade bug killer right?
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Hahaha at lab grade. You mean industrial grade bug killer right?
funny eh.
D198501 Aldrich
2,4-Dinitrophenol
moistened with water, ≥98.0%
Just being honest.
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^ You didn't get it from Sigma-Aldrich, though. Did you?
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why pull a plow with a horse when you have a tractor?
With a tractor you're gonna get more work done quicker and make more profit. With dnp you're not going to get more ripped than with diet.
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With a tractor you're gonna get more work done quicker and make more profit. With dnp you're not going to get more ripped than with diet.
i never said you would get more ripped.
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^ You didn't get it from Sigma-Aldrich, though. Did you?
yes
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yes
it was funny. It's moistened with 20% water for a reason and I was trying to dry it in an industrial grade oven at 100C to get it to a 100%. Good thing the whole lab didn't explode. It did leave a yellow stain all over the front of the oven door.
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yes
Care to say what purpose was stated?
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dnp is very dangerous, havent a few retards died from that over the years.
on the one hand, I think that a person should seriously reflect upon their actions once an endeavor involves ingesting rat poison, or roach killer... or anything thats able to roast u alive from the inside out.
on the other hand... r dead tards any real loss?
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Care to say what purpose was stated?
research
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Lol, OK ilalin. Don't say anything else.
Be careful, please.
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research
but this is Sigma Canada.
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Lol, OK italin. Don't say anything else.
Be careful, please.
thanks bro. I won't out myself.
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It exploded your oven and you're going to put it in your body?
And I thought I was nuts...
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It exploded your oven and you're going to put it in your body?
And I thought I was nuts...
lol
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It exploded your oven and you're going to put it in your body?
And I thought I was nuts...
seriously, if you look at all the research previously done on it (human trials, when it was legal), it's not that bad.
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Re: DPN The most powerful fat burners
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I got an idea how bout dieting.
why pull a plow with a horse when you have a tractor?
DNP is far to dangerous for your average person to use.
As it has caused many deaths very quickly - They cooked
Themselves & there was no stopping it.
Sure it works to lose body fat - The risks are just to high.
Dieting take longer & more effort.
Unless you deliberately starve yourself you not very likely to Die.
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With a tractor you're gonna get more work done quicker and make more profit. With dnp you're not going to get more ripped than with diet.
disgusted i read this is probably one of the most dangerous compounds out there if not the most dangerous would you agree
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I got an idea how bout dieting.
What a concept! LOL ;)
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Re: DPN The most powerful fat burners
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I got an idea how bout dieting.
DNP is far to dangerous for your average person to use.
As it has caused many deaths very quickly - They cooked
Themselves & there was no stopping it.
Sure it works to lose body fat - The risks are just to high.
Dieting take longer & more effort.
Unless you deliberately starve yourself you not very likely to Die.
i agree. An average person would probably not use it properly hence the risk.
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It attacks the eyes, as well, which you may need someday.
And individual tolerances are widely varied, which only adds to the danger.
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it doesn't appear terribly well controlled, either, which i hadn't realized pre-thread. leave it to the dumbshits in this government to control the shit they do while saying "have at it!" to stuff like this. incredible.
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https://iaspub.epa.gov/apex/pesticides/f?p=CHEMICALSEARCH:3:0::NO:1,3,31,7,12,25:P3_XCHEMICAL_ID:426#
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It attacks the eyes, as well, which you may need someday.
And individual tolerances are widely varied, which only adds to the danger.
One of the reasons ive stayes away from using it. Ive torn both my retinas (repaired with laser surgery)& 2 uncles with macular degeneration and grandpa had cataracts fixxes twice.
I also recall back in 98/99 talk of it damaging dna or something. How? I dont know. Never looked into it as i never planned on using it for myself. The dying part didnt really worry me, but the other stuff did. Besides, im naturally lean anyways and can drop fat/weight quickly just with diet. Zero carbs for 3 days while bumping pro/fat to maintain a 500kcal deficit and ill drop 15-18lbs (obviously that's water leaving since there's no carbs pulling it into the muscle)
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it was funny. It's moistened with 20% water for a reason and I was trying to dry it in an industrial grade oven at 100C to get it to a 100%. Good thing the whole lab didn't explode. It did leave a yellow stain all over the front of the oven door.
It's wet so you can't breath it in. Letting it air dry is sufficient.
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disgusted i read this is probably one of the most dangerous compounds out there if not the most dangerous would you agree
Look up the LD 50 on it and you will realize how dangerous.
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It was sold legally as a fat burner in like the 30's or something. And guess what, it killed people.
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It was sold legally as a fat burner in like the 30's or something. And guess what, it killed people.
Yes, it killed a few people, out of the millions that used or abused it. Just like caffeine does today. Actually the research shows that it really isn't that bad by itself, just that the dosing is much less forgiving. Remember reading a case study about a Chinese factory that had a large spill. Some people died, but not even all of them, even though they had been breathing the stuff and their skin was covered in it.
Is it completely safe? No. Is it worth the risk? I take bigger and less controllable risks every time I eat the local food in India or speed on the German Autobahn. Is dieting some sort of badge of honour? Nope. I've tried dieting, it's miserable, so why do it if I don't have to? The argument that one could get the same results (with much more time and effort) is moot. If we're going to use that reasoning anyone under 200 Lbs should never use steroids, because you can get to that size natural.
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One of the reasons ive stayes away from using it. Ive torn both my retinas (repaired with laser surgery)& 2 uncles with macular degeneration and grandpa had cataracts fixxes twice.
I also recall back in 98/99 talk of it damaging dna or something. How? I dont know. Never looked into it as i never planned on using it for myself. The dying part didnt really worry me, but the other stuff did. Besides, im naturally lean anyways and can drop fat/weight quickly just with diet. Zero carbs for 3 days while bumping pro/fat to maintain a 500kcal deficit and ill drop 15-18lbs (obviously that's water leaving since there's no carbs pulling it into the muscle)
so much bullshit in one post yet again but that bit is the least believable.
You have never been lean
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=533051.0;attach=562312;image)
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I'm an echo dipshit... Funny how you take a pic from about a week out after 5yrs of prison and pushing enough food down to maintain 230-240lbs with 200mg cup every 2 weeks.
What a fucking pinhead you are.
you make enough fucking echos on this site, the same shit keeps reverberating around forever..
post your best pic stud, who the fuck just takes pics of themselves looking like shit, just you apparently...
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I have an history of cataract in my familly and the neuropathy thing is scary. You have to be really dumb to cook yourself to death with it, its more those invisible long term eye and nerve damage that are scary.
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It attacks the eyes, as well, which you may need someday.
And individual tolerances are widely varied, which only adds to the danger.
This shit is dangerous than I thought
Goes to show you something has to be seriously wrong to be a bodybuilder for the sake of just being ripped .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHH
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It's wet so you can't breath it in. Letting it air dry is sufficient.
partially true. It's flammable (explosive ) when dry.
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lots of scaremongering in this thread. Not that I'm advising the use of DNP but let's talk facts.
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disgusted i read this is probably one of the most dangerous compounds out there if not the most dangerous would you agree
regarding toxicity, you can look up the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry's (ATSDR's) extensive 262 page Toxicological Profile for dinitrophenols. Also, the research in humans by Cutting and Tainer, or Simkins. points out DNP has not been shown to be liver toxic, kidney toxic, cardio toxic, or cause birth defects. In fact, research in growing animals shows that low doses actually improve developement. To say it is "just so toxic" shows a gross misunderstanding of it.
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Re: DPN The most powerful fat burners
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I got an idea how bout dieting.
DNP is far to dangerous for your average person to use.
As it has caused many deaths very quickly - They cooked
Themselves & there was no stopping it.
Sure it works to lose body fat - The risks are just to high.
Dieting take longer & more effort.
Unless you deliberately starve yourself you not very likely to Die.
the risks are minimal at reasonable doses. Over 100,000 people took DNP for weight loss in the 1930's and there have only been a dozen or so deaths reported, almost always from overdose.
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I have an history of cataract in my familly and the neuropathy thing is scary. You have to be really dumb to cook yourself to death with it, its more those invisible long term eye and nerve damage that are scary.
i'd have to look up the studies, which currently I don't really care to do, but small percentage of cataracts was caused mainly in women. Again, I remind everybody that I do not condone DNP usage, but would like to dispell some of the fairy tales floating around. I still think it should not be legal but could be and is used as a stepping stone in finding an oxidative phosporylation uncopuler with less side effects and a larger range between and effective dose and LD50, for example.
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i'd have to look up the studies, which currently I don't really care to do, but small percentage of cataracts was caused mainly in women. Again, I remind everybody that I do not condone DNP usage, but would like to dispell some of the fairy tales floating around. I still think it should not be legal but could be and is used as a stepping stone in finding an oxidative phosporylation uncopuler with less side effects and a larger range between and effective dose and LD50, for example.
Ive personnally found a lot of anecdotal evidences on people using it and getting cataract, im talking young men.
Also many are also struggling with long lasting neuropathy way after DNP use.
People are trying to rationalize their use which honestly cannot be justifiable in any way... You are litteraly gambling your health.
The few before/after you see are nothing extraordinary either you dont go from 15% bf to ripped contest ready in 10 days, most of the results ive seen from a cycle is equivalent to what a strict diet and clen can do. Only guy ive seen making dramatic progress was someone cycling 2 week on/2weeks off for like 12 weeks straigh which is completly stupid and dangerous. WOuld have got the same results on tren/clen/t3 and a decent diet.
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agree.
Nice info regarding cataracts and neuropathy, interesting...
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I've heard stories of guys leaving yellow stained sheets in hotels from sweating all of the yellow out. The yellow coloring seeps into your whole body.
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Ive personnally found a lot of anecdotal evidences on people using it and getting cataract, im talking young men.
Also many are also struggling with long lasting neuropathy way after DNP use.
People are trying to rationalize their use which honestly cannot be justifiable in any way... You are litteraly gambling your health.
The few before/after you see are nothing extraordinary either you dont go from 15% bf to ripped contest ready in 10 days, most of the results ive seen from a cycle is equivalent to what a strict diet and clen can do. Only guy ive seen making dramatic progress was someone cycling 2 week on/2weeks off for like 12 weeks straigh which is completly stupid and dangerous. WOuld have got the same results on tren/clen/t3 and a decent diet.
quick search gave me this. The chick was nuts...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3589300/
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I've heard stories of guys leaving yellow stained sheets in hotels from sweating all of the yellow out. The yellow coloring seeps into your whole body.
yes, one of the sides when on high dose for too long.
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You guys remember Newmom? She took that stuff.
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dang.. bodybuilding is so not worth it
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You guys remember Newmom? She took that stuff.
Yeah, the chick that Alex stalked in real life and scared away.
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partially true. It's flammable (explosive ) when dry.
No, the only reason it's wet is because it's harzardous when inhaled. Also being flammable and explosive are two different things. It's also not legal to sell or ship dnp in capsule form.
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I've heard stories of guys leaving yellow stained sheets in hotels from sweating all of the yellow out. The yellow coloring seeps into your whole body.
That`s bullshit bro........the yellowing is caused by sleeping in Pro-Tan or Dream Tan.
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That`s bullshit bro........the yellowing is caused by sleeping in Pro-Tan or Dream Tan.
wess as a master of knowledge in the bodybuilder arts would you advise against the use of dnp?
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yes, one of the sides when on high dose for too long.
post your photos, lets see how it worked out for you when you used it....
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post your photos, lets see how it worked out for you when you used it....
i'll get right on it.
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No, the only reason it's wet is because it's harzardous when inhaled. Also being flammable and explosive are two different things. It's also not legal to sell or ship dnp in capsule form.
yes. Two different things.
If you don't believe me check the SDS.
I played with it, I know a little about it.
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That`s bullshit bro........the yellowing is caused by sleeping in Pro-Tan or Dream Tan.
it's not bulshit. If you use long enough and use a relatively high dose (1g/day for example) the whites of the eyes also get yellowish, the urine changes color to more saturated yellow and one's sweat starts smelling like it, kind of a chemical smell.
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i'll get right on it.
thought so...
another basement dweller expert
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thought so...
another basement dweller expert
if you say so.
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How about the clen aspect? Decided a long time ago not to mess with DNP. Just seems like you have big issues in your head to take it. Haven't used dieting stuff for years and years.
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Yeah, the chick that Alex stalked in real life and scared away.
She was hardcore. Soccer mom but dnp using exodus fan :)
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It burns muscle. That alone should make it a no no for bodybuilders. What's wrong with clen? I know three guys in our gym who have taken DNP, all had to stop after less than a week due to overheating and feeling shit. In my opinion it's dangerous and not worth it but you're going to take it anyway so I wish you the best of luck and hope you are safe.
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wess as a master of knowledge in the bodybuilder arts would you advise against the use of dnp?
You know mr dude.....tuna.eggwhites,chicken breasts,etc.,hard fast training, and cardio.
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It burns muscle. That alone should make it a no no for bodybuilders. What's wrong with clen? I know three guys in our gym who have taken DNP, all had to stop after less than a week due to overheating and feeling shit. In my opinion it's dangerous and not worth it but you're going to take it anyway so I wish you the best of luck and hope you are safe.
again, not condoning DNP usage but not true.
You will not cut significant amounts of muscle on it... not unless you're taking thyroid along with it (which will) or are running such a high dose (or are so lean) that fat can't be mobilized fast enough to meet energy demands (a reason to take clen with it). To reiterate, the research is very clear that DNP is antiproteolytic. You should not expect to lose significant amounts of muscle on it.
Also, in small dosages it's neuroprotective. Take a look at the latest research paper.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27599210
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again, not condoning DNP usage but not true.
You will not cut significant amounts of muscle on it... not unless you're taking thyroid along with it (which will) or are running such a high dose (or are so lean) that fat can't be mobilized fast enough to meet energy demands (a reason to take clen with it). To reiterate, the research is very clear that DNP is antiproteolytic. You should not expect to lose significant amounts of muscle on it.
Also, in small dosages it's neuroprotective. Take a look at the latest research paper.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27599210
sounds like a serious science paper...
DNP, mitochondrial uncoupling, and neuroprotection: A little dab'll do ya.
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It burns muscle. That alone should make it a no no for bodybuilders. What's wrong with clen? I know three guys in our gym who have taken DNP, all had to stop after less than a week due to overheating and feeling shit. In my opinion it's dangerous and not worth it but you're going to take it anyway so I wish you the best of luck and hope you are safe.
This is my exact opinion, of course when I say a friend, everyone assumes is me being embarrassed of admitting ,
But is a friend that wants to be in contest shape by July he's in his 40's
WoooSHHHHHHHHH
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This is my exact opinion, of course when I say a friend, everyone assumes is me being embarrassed of admitting ,
But is a friend that wants to be in contest shape by July he's in his 40's
WoooSHHHHHHHHH
tell him to go on a diet...
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How about the clen aspect? Decided a long time ago not to mess with DNP. Just seems like you have big issues in your head to take it. Haven't used dieting stuff for years and years.
Clenbuterol binds to beta-2 adrenergic receptors mimicking body's own production of epinephrine and norepinephrine. This activates hormone sensitive lipase (HSL) which is the rate controlling enzyme in lipolysis or fat mobilization. Concurent usage of T3, leads to increased upregulation of beta 2 receptors, in turn leading to increased ability of clenbuterol to activate HSL. Nice little synergism there...
Now an extra long sentence, pay attention.
Since clenbuterol downregulates beta-2 receptors bodybuilders will either opt out to do 2 week on, 2 week off cycles, use ever incresing dosage of clen (definitely not advised) or use antihistamine ketotifen that has shown to attenuate beta-2 receptor downregulation during clen usage.
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sounds like a serious science paper...
have you read the abstract, or you're going to judge the paper by its title?
Or, maybe you don't have access. I can see it from my station since I have subscription privileges. Sorry, if that is the case. If anyone is interested I can send you the abstract.
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You know mr dude.....tuna.eggwhites,chicken breasts,etc.,hard fast training, and cardio.
mr wess that is great advice and alot safer to i think
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mr wess that is great advice and alot safer to i think
no doubt in my mind, either.
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have you read the abstract, or you're going to judge the paper by its title?
Or, maybe you don't have access. I can see it from my station since I have subscription privileges. Sorry, if that is the case. If anyone is interested I can send you the abstract.
hahaha the trainer returns again....
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hahaha the trainer returns again....
hahaha I give up. You're hopeless.
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hahaha I give up. You're hopeless.
and you are outed again..... ;)
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and you are outed again..... ;)
heh, you win my child.
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I've trained lots of people and never had any of them use dnp or even ask about. Just fucking diet and forget all these tricks.
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I've trained lots of people and never had any of them use dnp or even ask about. Just fucking diet and forget all these tricks.
QFT...
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not to mention dnp can kill you i mean fuck is really getting lean that important.
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You've got to have a screw loose.
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sounds like a serious science paper...
You'd be surprised how many papers have jokes in their titles. Mathematicians are notorious for doing that.
This journal is legit though. And this article in particular has an altmetric of 16, which is not bad. So do pay attention to ilalin, he speaks facts.
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hahaha the trainer returns again....
Bro, you mean well, and I have no idea who this poster is, but what he posts is valid. And although anyone has access to the abstract, most universities will have access to the full text as well. So the info is there, don't ignore it because it does not fit your opinion, be better than those SJW lefties.
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Bro, you mean well, and I have no idea who this poster is, but what he posts is valid. And although anyone has access to the abstract, most universities will have access to the full text as well. So the info is there, don't ignore it because it does not fit your opinion, be better than those SJW lefties.
Google was always the trainers friend...
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It's just another tool that can be useful. Say you have 12 weeks to a show. Do 2-3 weeks of moderate DNP at the start and you are ahead of schedule and may get better conditioned than you ever were previously. IMO DNP is best used far out of your planned peak as you won't look your best while on it. Not the least because training suffers while on it.
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Google was always the trainers friend...
wrong, ghostwriter. You are assuming. Your posts on this topic fit you better then the skin you're wearing.
I got nothing to gain from my posts. My knowledge comes from research, anecdotal evidence and personal experiences (not to mention education, but you'll probably take that to be condescending).
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Bro, you mean well, and I have no idea who this poster is, but what he posts is valid. And although anyone has access to the abstract, most universities will have access to the full text as well. So the info is there, don't ignore it because it does not fit your opinion, be better than those SJW lefties.
there are some sane people on this board. Good, I was starting to lose hope.
Cheers
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It's just another tool that can be useful. Say you have 12 weeks to a show. Do 2-3 weeks of moderate DNP at the start and you are ahead of schedule and may get better conditioned than you ever were previously. IMO DNP is best used far out of your planned peak as you won't look your best while on it. Not the least because training suffers while on it.
you could. The 'best' for fat loss and the safest way is to deplete completely before a 2 week run, and run 200mg/do even for larger guys.
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again, not condoning DNP usage but not true.
You will not cut significant amounts of muscle on it... not unless you're taking thyroid along with it (which will) or are running such a high dose (or are so lean) that fat can't be mobilized fast enough to meet energy demands (a reason to take clen with it). To reiterate, the research is very clear that DNP is antiproteolytic. You should not expect to lose significant amounts of muscle on it.
Also, in small dosages it's neuroprotective. Take a look at the latest research paper.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27599210
The 'safe' dose used in this research was in animals and didn't cause fat loss. There are no 'latest' research articles on the safety of high dose(as in high enough to cause the desired effect of fat loss) in humans.
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The 'safe' dose used in this research was in animals and didn't cause fat loss. There are no 'latest' research articles on the safety of high dose(as in high enough to cause the desired effect of fat loss) in humans.
yes.
200mg/d is anecdotal, personal and based on my personal research into pharmacokinetics.
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yes.
200mg/d is anecdotal, personal and based on my personal research into pharmacokinetics.
Not condoning this in any way but I appreciate you stating the dose and clarifying it's based on anecdotal and personal info. Would clen not be safer and for all intents and purposes as effective.
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Not condoning this in any way but I appreciate you stating the dose and clarifying it's based on anecdotal and personal info. Would clen not be safer and for all intents and purposes as effective.
compared to dnp, slower but as effective and safer.
Safest though would be intermittent fasting with no drugs aside some key supplemets. Very effective too.
IMO
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Is clen safer? How would you compare? Clen has potentially bad cardiac effects, which ironically can help heart failure patients. But in normal people the heart hypertrophy might not be good. T3 increases heart rate/oxygen consumption which is the main effect causing increased energy expenditure from what I recall. Different drugs, different risks.
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Is clen safer? How would you compare? Clen has potentially bad cardiac effects, which ironically can help heart failure patients. But in normal people the heart hypertrophy might not be good. T3 increases heart rate/oxygen consumption which is the main effect causing increased energy expenditure from what I recall. Different drugs, different risks.
safer, imo. Why, because small mistake in DNP dosing causes death.
I'm not aware of studies comparing the two.
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tell him to go on a diet...
LOL ....
The guy lives on a diet , (literally) the main reason we don't hangout anymore..... I yet to meet someone more focused with &guy will power than him....... and I've been in BB for almost 30 years ..
He just wants to be contest shape for summer FL, Mexico and Dominican Republic Beaches .....
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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You know mr dude.....tuna.eggwhites,chicken breasts,etc.,hard fast training, and cardio.
Exactly add some lean ground turkey/beef and lots of greens. Not rocket science and it works.
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LOL ....
The guy lives on a diet , (literally) the main reason we don't hangout anymore..... I yet to meet someone more focused with &guy will power than him....... and I've been in BB for almost 30 years ..
He just wants to be contest shape for summer FL, Mexico and Dominican Republic Beaches .....
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Look mate, he might pretend to you he is always dieting but if he isnt losing fat he isnt in a calorific deficit.
People who eat in a calorific deficit lose weight, its that fucking simple.
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Is clen safer? How would you compare? Clen has potentially bad cardiac effects, which ironically can help heart failure patients. But in normal people the heart hypertrophy might not be good. T3 increases heart rate/oxygen consumption which is the main effect causing increased energy expenditure from what I recall. Different drugs, different risks.
That is what I have read as well. Clen was shown through studies to actually damage your heart from what I remember so been wary of that one as well, but it may be that it was because of longterm use (8 weeks straight).
Maybe it is just a case of pick your potential longterm poison for both if you choose to take them.
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Look mate, he might pretend to you he is always dieting but if he isnt losing fat he isnt in a calorific deficit.
People who eat in a calorific deficit lose weight, its that fucking simple.
Just spoke to him ,happy with results , he lost about 10 lbs of fat in a week ...... I'd say He's lean at around 275 6'3" Huge legs .....
He's just not contest ripped .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
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Just poke to him ,happy with results , he lost about 10 lbs of fat in a week ...... I'd say He's lean at around 275 6'3" Huge legs .....
He's just not contest ripped .
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I doubt it. 10 pure pounds of fat is a lot to lose in one week.
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I doubt it. 10 pure pounds of fat is a lot to lose in one week.
I'd say so - = 35000 calories of stored fat burnt off... ::)
yeah right - good luck with that.
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Just poke to him ,happy with results , he lost about 10 lbs of fat in a week ...... I'd say He's lean at around 275 6'3" Huge legs .....
He's just not contest ripped .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
hes dafter than you, or maybe not...
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I doubt it. 10 pure pounds of fat is a lot to lose in one week.
He claims DPN and T3 combined did the job .. We don't live in the same state so cant see him at the moment
wosh
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He claims DPN and T3 combined did the job .. We don't live in the same state so cant see him at the moment
wosh
Really & I've got a Nice Bridge to Sell You.
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I'd say so - = 35000 calories of stored fat burnt off... ::)
yeah right - good luck with that.
Everyone loves to quote bull shit numbers.
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Just spoke to him ,happy with results , he lost about 10 lbs of fat in a week ...... I'd say He's lean at around 275 6'3" Huge legs .....
He's just not contest ripped .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
What's he look like? Has he ever entered a show?
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What's he look like? Has he ever entered a show?
He has ...long ago though he's always in a diet although he gets close to 300 lbs, 6'3" his legs overpower the upper body .... I think Plaumbo gave him green light on the DPN protocol but cant confirm it
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH
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He has ...long ago though he's always in a diet although he gets close to 300 lbs, 6'3" his legs overpower the upper body .... I think Plaumbo gave him green light on the DPN protocol but cant confirm it
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH
If you look up the word "gullible" in the dictionary it isnt there....