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OMG! It's just plain loony to refuse to accept the fact that Russia hacked into our election .
For fuks sake, Reality Winner illegally leaked a classified NSA document with specific details on this .
Of course congressman Louie Gomer-Pyle says ; " Shazzam, it's the dems" and
you folks buy it.
It's a confirmed FACT that Russia hacked and tried to influence our election.
It's NOT yet confirmed of Trump himself had any direct connection with Russian collusion.
You're like someone trying to debate going for it on 5th down in football . :D
I've tried to be reasonable and debate with you coach.
BUT, this refusal to accept basic facts requires me to give up and wish you well.
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False. Podesta gave away his password in a phishing scam
OMG! It's just plain loony to refuse to accept the fact that Russia hacked into our election .
For fuks sake, Reality Winner illegally leaked a classified NSA document with specific details on this .
Of course congressman Louie Gomer-Pyle says ; " Shazzam, it's the dems" and
you folks buy it.
It's a confirmed FACT that Russia hacked and tried to influence our election.
It's NOT yet confirmed of Trump himself had any direct connection with Russian collusion.
You're like someone trying to debate going for it on 5th down in football . :D
I've tried to be reasonable and debate with you coach.
BUT, this refusal to accept basic facts requires me to give up and wish you well.
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OMG! It's just plain loony to refuse to accept the fact that Russia hacked into our election .
How specifically did Russia "hack our election"?
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How specifically did Russia "hack our election"?
C'mon now, it's well established by now.
Even that leaked NSA document by that twit Reality Winner went into 1 aspect of Russia hacking
into our election.
What's NOT established is Trump playing any role in it.
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C'mon now, it's well established by now.
Even that leaked NSA document by that twit Reality Winner went into 1 aspect of Russia hacking
into our election.
What's NOT established is Trump playing any role in it.
If it's "well established" you should be able to explain it pretty easily. Precisely how did Russia "hack into our election"?
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If it's "well established" you should be able to explain it pretty easily. Precisely how did Russia "hack into our election"?
It's also well stablished that Shizzo was a willing knob gobbler.
Russia hacked into our elections and there is a boatload if evidence on that.
What amazes me is that so many Trump backers believe Russia/ Putin propaganda over
our own US intelligence services. How patriotic is THAT? NOT!
I assume you saw the released NSA document from that twit Reality Winner .
THat was an official NSA document detailing how Russia hacked into voter registration roles!
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How specifically did Russia "hack our election"?
two basic ways to hack and election that have been widely reported
1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
It's wells documented that Russia did the first and tried to do the 2nd
Here's as "playbook" of their various methods (which I'm sure you won't read since you don't believe it actually happened and then you can continue to say you've seen no information about how this could have happened)
https://www.wired.com/story/russia-election-hacking-playbook/ (https://www.wired.com/story/russia-election-hacking-playbook/)
Russia did the same in France (email dump in the day before the election) and apparently did a fake news "attack" in Qatar"
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/336638-us-suspects-russia-planted-fake-news-in-qatar-report (http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/336638-us-suspects-russia-planted-fake-news-in-qatar-report)
Lets get real for once. If Russia was suspected of assisting President Hillary get elected you and other Republican would be losing your freaking minds over potential Russian involvement and insisting on never ending investigations
But since it's your guy they helped (and I'm not saying Trump was involved) we're supposed to think it's just a big, ridiculous joke
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C'mon now, it's well established by now.
Even that leaked NSA document by that twit Reality Winner went into 1 aspect of Russia hacking
into our election.
What's NOT established is Trump playing any role in it.
Focus. What specifically did Russia do to "hack our election"?
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I wish you'd quit running from the good questions directed at you, Howard. Are you pretending you don't see them?
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I wish you'd quit running from the good questions directed at you, Howard. Are you pretending you don't see them?
Former FBI director Comey testified under oath that
Russia hacked into our election.
If that's too partisen for you, here's some of the nuts and bolts of how it was done.
* Please note the Dec 2016 date , which means this has been out for a LONG time.
I shouldn't need to repeat/repost it on a political forum of informed people.
http://time.com/4600177/election-hack-russia-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/
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I wish you'd quit running from the good questions directed at you, Howard. Are you pretending you don't see them?
Focus. What specifically did Russia do to "hack our election"?
IGNORE
two basic ways to hack an election that have been widely reported
1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
It's wells documented that Russia did the first and tried to do the 2nd
Here's as "playbook" of their various methods (which I'm sure you won't read since you don't believe it actually happened and then you can continue to say you've seen no information about how this could have happened)
https://www.wired.com/story/russia-election-hacking-playbook/
Russia did the same in France (email dump in the day before the election) and apparently did a fake news "attack" in Qatar"
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/336638-us-suspects-russia-planted-fake-news-in-qatar-report
Lets get real for once. If Russia was suspected of assisting President Hillary get elected you and other Republican would be losing your freaking minds over potential Russian involvement and insisting on never ending investigations
But since it's your guy they helped (and I'm not saying Trump was involved) we're supposed to think it's just a big, ridiculous joke
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IGNORE
two basic ways to hack an election that have been widely reported
1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
It's wells documented that Russia did the first and tried to do the 2nd
Here's as "playbook" of their various methods (which I'm sure you won't read since you don't believe it actually happened and then you can continue to say you've seen no information about how this could have happened)
https://www.wired.com/story/russia-election-hacking-playbook/
Russia did the same in France (email dump in the day before the election) and apparently did a fake news "attack" in Qatar"
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/336638-us-suspects-russia-planted-fake-news-in-qatar-report
Lets get real for once. If Russia was suspected of assisting President Hillary get elected you and other Republican would be losing your freaking minds over potential Russian involvement and insisting on never ending investigations
But since it's your guy they helped (and I'm not saying Trump was involved) we're supposed to think it's just a big, ridiculous joke
do you believe this is the only US election that Russia has tried to "hack"?
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Former FBI director Comey testified under oath that
Russia hacked into our election.
If that's too partisen for you, here's some of the nuts and bolts of how it was done.
* Please note the Dec 2016 date , which means this has been out for a LONG time.
I shouldn't need to repeat/repost it on a political forum of informed people.
http://time.com/4600177/election-hack-russia-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/
There's more recent information from Time, Howard. Any particular reason you didn't use it?
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do you believe this is the only US election that Russia has tried to "hack"?
Yep. I'd be very interested to know of all the activity in that regard, certainly over the past four or five elections. Let's compare.
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do you believe this is the only US election that Russia has tried to "hack"?
Have you tried reading the post to which you replied?
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Straw, I'll read those later tonight.
Can you give me the heart of the "tried to interfere" part
The "fake news" part, for sure, is something I'd need to see is unique in this election.
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The email part is sort of like, "damnit, how dare they show truth when we've got an election to hold." As though, minus the email, things would've been much more fair.. lol! I don't think so.
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Former FBI director Comey testified under oath that
Russia hacked into our election.
If that's too partisen for you, here's some of the nuts and bolts of how it was done.
* Please note the Dec 2016 date , which means this has been out for a LONG time.
I shouldn't need to repeat/repost it on a political forum of informed people.
http://time.com/4600177/election-hack-russia-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/
Are you unable to state specifically how Russia "hacked into our election"?
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1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
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There's more recent information from Time, Howard. Any particular reason you didn't use it?
Just wanted to prove this was a long established fact.
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1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
Were the emails released false?
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two basic ways to hack and election that have been widely reported
1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
It's wells documented that Russia did the first and tried to do the 2nd
Here's as "playbook" of their various methods (which I'm sure you won't read since you don't believe it actually happened and then you can continue to say you've seen no information about how this could have happened)
https://www.wired.com/story/russia-election-hacking-playbook/ (https://www.wired.com/story/russia-election-hacking-playbook/)
Russia did the same in France (email dump in the day before the election) and apparently did a fake news "attack" in Qatar"
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/336638-us-suspects-russia-planted-fake-news-in-qatar-report (http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/336638-us-suspects-russia-planted-fake-news-in-qatar-report)
Lets get real for once. If Russia was suspected of assisting President Hillary get elected you and other Republican would be losing your freaking minds over potential Russian involvement and insisting on never ending investigations
But since it's your guy they helped (and I'm not saying Trump was involved) we're supposed to think it's just a big, ridiculous joke
Oh, you mean like this?
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1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
^ In this list of articles (CNN) from past 11 months or so, perhaps the heaviest claim is that Putin "ordered" a "campaign" to try to disrupt our process, and furthermore that he favored Trump while doing so.
But it's admitted that it's part of "longtime Russian efforts to undermine "the US-led liberal democratic order."
So it only makes sense to say it was Putin who gave orders, then, too. Who did he favor in those cases?
Why now, is the question above all else. What's changed, to make something admittedly routine, suddenly report-worthy. Seeing as how cyber-info has become almost ancient history at this point: WHY the rush by media to place this story so far in front, when they'd been sleeping through "longtime Russian efforts to undermine "the US-led liberal democratic order." That's what I want to know.
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Could it be they'd been saving-up for someone?
Someone they didn't like, perhaps?
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Just wanted to prove this was a long established fact.
How has it been established, exactly?
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Here's the "Russia Hacking Report" for anyone who wants to read it: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3254239/Russia-Hacking-report.pdf
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1. plant false news stories and release damaging emails in an attempt to influence voters against one candidate
2. actually try to interfere with the voting process
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
What issue that Hillary championed was something that middle class people could support ?
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Now, this is convenience for you.
We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election. The US Intelligence Community is charged with monitoring and assessing the intentions, capabilities, and actions of foreign actors; it does not analyze US political processes or US public opinion.
Once again: WHY now?
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Howard and Strawgimmick have to be trolls for attention.
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What issue that Hillary championed was something that middle class people could support ?
Ah, glad you asked.
See, she stands on stage like a zombie, and says, "I AM FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS." She's real good at it, too.
That way we can take her word on it with confidence, as we march to her commands to "End Homophobia!" and "End Racism!" You know, all the stuff people take direct orders for.
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We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.
When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign then focused on undermining her expected presidency.
We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.
All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.
In trying to influence the US election, we assess the Kremlin sought to advance its longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, the promotion of which Putin and other senior Russian leaders view as a threat to Russia and Putin’s regime.
Putin publicly pointed to the Panama Papers disclosure and the Olympic doping scandal as US-directed efforts to defame Russia, suggesting he sought to use disclosures to discredit the image of the United States and cast it as hypocritical.
Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012 ,and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.
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Russian intelligence accessed elements of multiple state or local electoral boards. Since early 2014, Russian intelligence has researched US electoral processes and related technology and equipment.
DHS assesses that the types of systems we observed Russian actors targeting or compromising are not involved in vote tallying.
Oh, but why not? ??? Shouldn't that be right where they go?
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Most of the "Report" turns out to be nothing but complaints against Russian Media, as though that's supposed to mean anything.
It doesn't.
They'd better get something real on Trump or we should absolutely insist that they STFU and put a muffler on their Fake News Machine. Because what they accuse Russia of doing to Hillary, is exactly what they're doing to Trump: discrediting.
Which is more alarming?
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do you believe this is the only US election that Russia has tried to "hack"?
Its the first time a candidate was running who was actually willing to sell out the US.
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Yep. I'd be very interested to know of all the activity in that regard, certainly over the past four or five elections. Let's compare.
Good idea.
Please post the documentation.
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Its the first time a candidate was running who was actually willing to sell out the US.
You're right. The Clinton Foundation was taking in millions upon millions of dollars from foreign entities leading up to the election season.
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You're right. The Clinton Foundation was taking in millions upon millions of dollars from foreign entities leading up to the election season.
Certainly. But none from Russia as Hillary is in no way pro-Putin/Russia.
Trump on the other hand is a traitor who will sell the US just to make a profit. Thats why the russians support him and I suspect that is why you also support him.
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Certainly. But none from Russia as Hillary is in no way pro-Putin/Russia.
Trump on the other hand is a traitor who will sell the US just to make a profit. Thats why the russians support him and I suspect that is why you also support him.
One of the dumbest comments made today. Tell us how you think he is a traitor on the other hand I can tell you exactly why Obama and Clinton are traitors in the very definition of the word
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Certainly. But none from Russia as Hillary is in no way pro-Putin/Russia.
Trump on the other hand is a traitor who will sell the US just to make a profit. Thats why the russians support him and I suspect that is why you also support him.
"The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back."
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Howard and Strawgimmick have to be trolls for attention.
Nope, I'm a real guy and if we were alone in the gym shower, you'd know that ;D
Straw seems like a decent dude.
We don't agree with Trump's politics .
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Nope, I'm a real guy and if we were alone in the gym shower, you'd know that ;D
Straw seems like a decent dude.
We don't agree with Trump's politics .
Since we already know what you look like, it wouldn't be that hard for you to post a time-stamped picture of yourself up here. ;)
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Since we already know what you look like, it wouldn't be that hard for you to post a time-stamped picture of yourself up here. ;)
I honestly don't look that much different from the previously posted video, albeit a bit older.
I've got the same basic hair style thanks to good hair genetics.
Plus, my overall body is about the same overall ,aka nothing special. :D
If you really want to see what I look like now, go to a show/expo I attend and we'll chat.
I was just at an NPC show in Chattanooga this past Saturday.
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Its the first time a candidate was running who was actually willing to sell out the US.
Sell us out, how? Can you give me detail at this moment?
I didn't think so.
It's true that Trump is far from the type I'd like to see as CiC, and I do wish he'd done almost everything differently since he took the office. IMO, every day he should have worked toward carefully explaining to Americans why things are fucked, and what we need to do to correct them. That way he could move forward in relative safety, with us on his side.
He hasn't done that, of course, and that part about him I don't understand. One possibility is that too many others have the goods on him, and he lives in a mine field. If that's the case, then we lose either way.
But to pretend our media is anything but a nasty little cabal of conspirators in a very expensive meeting room, is dumb beyond belief.
You used to believe these things, too, from what I remember. What's changed for you (and without evidence)?
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Sell us out, how? Can you give me detail at this moment?
I didn't think so.
It's true that Trump is far from the type I'd like to see as CiC, and I do wish he'd done almost everything differently since he took the office. IMO, every day he should have worked toward carefully explaining to Americans why things are fucked, and what we need to do to correct them. That way he could move forward in relative safety, with us on his side.
He hasn't done that, of course, and that part about him I don't understand. One possibility is that too many others have the goods on him, and he lives in a mine field. If that's the case, then we lose either way.
Good, fair assessment of Trump and his campaign rhetoric.
He was effective at getting voters enthused about him .
You're right, he's not been good at communicating policy details.
THAT was one of my main concerns with him as POTUS.
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One of the dumbest comments made today. Tell us how you think he is a traitor on the other hand I can tell you exactly why Obama and Clinton are traitors in the very definition of the word
He is Putins lapdog just like you are Trumps lapdog.
He is cutting ties with Europe a long time ally of the US.
He is weakening Nato in order to make Russia stronger.
He is taking away american peoples health insurance.
His tax breaks is going to cripple the economy.
To summarise:
He is killing the economy and US citizens
He is weakening the US position in the world tipping the power balance in favor of Russia.
Now tell me how Hillary having a private email server in her basement is somehow is worse than this.
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"The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back."
I didnt know you were an Obama supporter.
You must be a welfare black.
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Sell us out, how? Can you give me detail at this moment?
See post above
I didn't think so.
It's true that Trump is far from the type I'd like to see as CiC, and I do wish he'd done almost everything differently since he took the office. IMO, every day he should have worked toward carefully explaining to Americans why things are fucked, and what we need to do to correct them. That way he could move forward in relative safety, with us on his side.
He hasn't done that, of course, and that part about him I don't understand. One possibility is that too many others have the goods on him, and he lives in a mine field. If that's the case, then we lose either way.
But to pretend our media is anything but a nasty little cabal of conspirators in a very expensive meeting room, is dumb beyond belief.
You used to believe these things, too, from what I remember. What's changed for you (and without evidence)?
Trumps crusade against the media is total BS.
He bases his politics and assumptions on Breibart and FOX news for fucks sake.
He only has a problem with the media when they report his lies then they are all of a sudden fake news. When they support his agenda like Breibart they are all of a sudden reliable news.
I know you are looking for something new in politics that you are tired of the BS (who isnt) but Trump is con-man who has plays you like fools.
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To summarise:
He is killing the economy and US citizens
He is weakening the US position in the world tipping the power balance in favor of Russia.
That summary has to be a troll job.
The economy keep a rising and he is actively building up the military.
Nice troll job though.
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That summary has to be a troll job.
The economy keep a rising and he is actively building up the military.
Nice troll job though.
His tax plan is not yet in effect.
But nice to know you support Obama's economy.
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OMG! It's just plain loony to refuse to accept the fact that Russia hacked into our election .
For fuks sake, Reality Winner illegally leaked a classified NSA document with specific details on this .
Of course congressman Louie Gomer-Pyle says ; " Shazzam, it's the dems" and
you folks buy it.
It's a confirmed FACT that Russia hacked and tried to influence our election.
It's NOT yet confirmed of Trump himself had any direct connection with Russian collusion.
You're like someone trying to debate going for it on 5th down in football . :D
I've tried to be reasonable and debate with you coach.
BUT, this refusal to accept basic facts requires me to give up and wish you well.
So Putin faked the people votes? How? He faked the ID of 150 million people?
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He is Putins lapdog just like you are Trumps lapdog.
He is cutting ties with Europe a long time ally of the US.
He is weakening Nato in order to make Russia stronger.
He is taking away american peoples health insurance.
His tax breaks is going to cripple the economy.
To summarise:
He is killing the economy and US citizens
He is weakening the US position in the world tipping the power balance in favor of Russia.
Now tell me how Hillary having a private email server in her basement is somehow is worse than this.
Based on this post you haven't kept up on American politics WHATSOEVER and have your head completely up your ass and cannot prove anything you wrote....ANYTHING
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His tax plan is not yet in effect.
But nice to know you support Obama's economy.
Keep pivoting and you might end up at an actual arguement.
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Trumps crusade against the media is total BS.
He bases his politics and assumptions on Breibart and FOX news for fucks sake.
He only has a problem with the media when they report his lies then they are all of a sudden fake news. When they support his agenda like Breibart they are all of a sudden reliable news.
I know you are looking for something new in politics that you are tired of the BS (who isnt) but Trump is con-man who has plays you like fools.
I understand being frustrated by Trump. But you must admit it hasn't anything to do with the questions surrounding the "Russia Hacking" story.
Would you admit that the "Russia Hacking" story makes those inclined to dislike Trump, dislike him even more?
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"The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back."
The 80's was awesome
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Based on this post you haven't kept up on American politics WHATSOEVER and have your head completely up your ass and cannot prove anything you wrote....ANYTHING
Please refure the points one by one.
Show you have some measure of intelligence for once
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Keep pivoting and you might end up at an actual arguement.
Yeah it looks like i have to make the argument for both of us because you have checked out
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I understand being frustrated by Trump. But you must admit it hasn't anything to do with the questions surrounding the "Russia Hacking" story.
Im not sure what you are saying here?
Would you admit that the "Russia Hacking" story makes those inclined to dislike Trump, dislike him even more?
I would think the possibility that Trump might be in collusion with Russia and have other interest than the US will make anyone (from the west) dislike him more.
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C'mon now, it's well established by now.
Even that leaked NSA document by that twit Reality Winner went into 1 aspect of Russia hacking
into our election.
What's NOT established is Trump playing any role in it.
established by who?
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Im not sure what you are saying here?
An attempt to connect other actions with the Russian question is too far flung. Won't work.
But if you're saying it's why you'd tend to believe he made some deal with them, though, then I guess maybe you've given me a better understanding of it all. So thanks for that.
I would think the possibility that Trump might be in collusion with Russia and have other interest than the US will make anyone (from the west) dislike him more.
All I can say to that, is this:
Since it's largely Obama and Hillary followers who are currently angry with Trump, then it only shows them to be trifling hypocrites who cannot be taken seriously when they complain. They should be ashamed of themselves.