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Title: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: bigkahuna on July 03, 2017, 03:22:06 AM
I know its bodybuilding...but c'mon with all the gear etc floating through his veins he should be getting 30+ reps with 100lb dumbells

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Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: falco on July 03, 2017, 03:38:13 AM
More than the poundages, i see a guy with no drive to workout. It's like he isn't motivated at all. We all have bad days like that, so why does he videotape it?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Parker on July 03, 2017, 04:01:27 AM
That's not struggling. Remember this is the same dude that got 46 reps with 225.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: bigkahuna on July 03, 2017, 04:04:47 AM
A lot of pros seem to get weaker as they get bigger...Phil is prob not as strong now as when he was younger and smaller
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Royalty on July 03, 2017, 04:30:37 AM
I think that Phil could get a ton of reps with that weight if he used his triceps more. But I think that he was purposely trying to not use is triceps. Phil was just using his pecs to move the weight (and his pecs were pre-exhausted)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2017, 04:31:36 AM
Multiple Mr O



Who cares how strong he is?

He should be getting credit that he can gain so much using so little weight....
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: dj181 on July 03, 2017, 04:40:57 AM
Multiple Mr O



Who cares how strong he is?

He should be getting credit that he can gain so much using so little weight....

moving heavier and heavier weight ie. Progressive Overload isn't the only way to build muscle size (and I believed that shit for . years  :-X >:()

fatiguing the muscle and making it work til failure is the actual key, and you can do that with higher reps or with slower more controlled reps, and neither requires one to use such heavy ass loads
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2017, 04:45:40 AM
moving heavier and heavier weight ie. Progressive Overload isn't the only way to build muscle size (and I believed that shit for . years  :-X >:()

fatiguing the muscle and making it work til failure is the actual key, and you can do that with higher reps or with slower more controlled reps, and neither requires one to use such heavy ass loads

WHY THEN DO YOU KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT YOUR WEIGHTS IMPROVING EVERY WEEK?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: dj181 on July 03, 2017, 04:54:36 AM
WHY THEN DO YOU KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT YOUR WEIGHTS IMPROVING EVERY WEEK?

coz . nowadays I train to be strong and athletic,  not as a faggybuilder

Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2017, 05:06:45 AM
coz . nowadays I train to be strong and athletic,  not as a faggybuilder



Ah yes... because you had great success as a bodybuilder....
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: BB on July 03, 2017, 05:07:50 AM
To be fair, that was at the end of his workout. Also him and Cutler aren't really guys that enjoy being big and big lifting weights, at least not anymore, so you've just to to take it as it is. They're doing just enough to win.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Grape Ape on July 03, 2017, 05:23:30 AM
Weights used are irrelevant....in fact, is there any method to his training at all?   Just random ordered exercises to increase volume.

It doesn't matter at all though, as bethere said.  Only thing that matters is how he looks one day out of the year.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Nether Animal on July 03, 2017, 05:28:19 AM
He should be getting credit that he can gain so much using so little weight....

Most people infer that there is little to no conscious involvement in this, thus nothing worthy of praise.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2017, 05:29:40 AM
Most people infer that there is little to no conscious involvement in this, thus nothing worthy of praise.

so if someone uses a fork lift to load a lorry he should get less praise than someone who loads it by hand?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on July 03, 2017, 05:30:52 AM
Weights used are irrelevant....in fact, is there any method to his training at all?   Just random ordered exercises to increase volume.

It doesn't matter at all though, as bethere said.  Only thing that matters is how he looks one day out of the year.

Exactly! There are many men who can lift more? Yes! How many are on the Olympia stage? Almost none! Same goes for when people talked shit about Dillet being lazy. And look where his laziness got him: on the Olympus stage, while thousands of "hard workers" couldn't!
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: lilhawk1 on July 03, 2017, 05:56:30 AM
What really matters is the amount of Increlex, Humatrope, and slin that is used.  Weights don't mean shit. 
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Kwon on July 03, 2017, 05:57:40 AM
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Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Nether Animal on July 03, 2017, 07:14:30 AM
so if someone uses a fork lift to load a lorry he should get less praise than someone who loads it by hand?

I dunno but im not an ego lifter either
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: FREAKgeek on July 03, 2017, 07:23:22 AM
More than the poundages, i see a guy with no drive to workout. It's like he isn't motivated at all. We all have bad days like that, so why does he videotape it?

X2
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Eric2 on July 03, 2017, 07:57:59 AM
Guys watching Arnold work arms and chest where stunned at how little weight he used. His response was he was working his muscle directly not aiding the exercise with other secondary muscles.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: njflex on July 03, 2017, 08:15:55 AM
example guy I train with has very strong tris and for hi its his best body part'arms'he slender in torso thickness and presses dbells for weighing 170 lbs 95/100's like nothing,but has pancake pecs 'I tell him to push with the chest'feel'even when he lightens load his tris still must be pushing the work,i do less weight have better pecs than him
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: ratherbebig on July 03, 2017, 08:35:54 AM
videos need to be entertaining and in order to be entertaining big weights need to be moved or the person moving big weights need to hurt themselves in the video.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Royalty on July 03, 2017, 09:30:35 AM
videos need to be entertaining and in order to be entertaining big weights need to be moved or the person moving big weights need to hurt themselves in the video.


Videoes need to be videoes in order to be considered videoes
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: dj181 on July 03, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
example guy I train with has very strong tris and for hi its his best body part'arms'he slender in torso thickness and presses dbells for weighing 170 lbs 95/100's like nothing,but has pancake pecs 'I tell him to push with the chest'feel'even when he lightens load his tris still must be pushing the work,i do less weight have better pecs than him

he must not be A-rab then as they have hhorrible tricep genetics
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: njflex on July 03, 2017, 10:15:26 AM
he must not be A-rab then as they have hhorrible tricep genetics
FROM TURKEY
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
I dunno but im not an ego lifter either
that wasnt the point i was making......
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Nether Animal on July 03, 2017, 10:37:55 AM
If you were making a point with that comparison, I fear I missed it
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 03, 2017, 10:39:55 AM
If you were making a point with that comparison, I fear I missed it

the point was you dont get kudos for breaking your back doing something when the same can be achieved with brain cells.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Henda on July 03, 2017, 10:50:17 AM
Muscle growth has probably always come very easy to the stinking cu nt, if you have a few million in the bank your not going to go out hand digging foundations for £30 a shift
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Mr Anabolic on July 03, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
example guy I train with has very strong tris and for hi its his best body part'arms'he slender in torso thickness and presses dbells for weighing 170 lbs 95/100's like nothing,but has pancake pecs 'I tell him to push with the chest'feel'even when he lightens load his tris still must be pushing the work,i do less weight have better pecs than him

I rarely go below 8 reps/set and have more mass than heavy trainers.  People have asked me about it, I simply tell them they are using too much weight (i.e. ego training) and losing the feel of the exercise.  In my 33 years of experience, more volume and sets always got me more size/results than heavy weights.  If I can't get at least 8 reps with a certain weight, I don't do it.  It's also the reason I am still training and most of my buds from the 80's and 90's are done because of injuries... some were very serious.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: oldschoolfan on July 03, 2017, 04:45:29 PM
I rarely go below 8 reps/set and have more mass than heavy trainers.  People have asked me about it, I simply tell them they are using too much weight (i.e. ego training) and losing the feel of the exercise.  In my 33 years of experience, more volume and sets always got me more size/results than heavy weights.  If I can't get at least 8 reps with a certain weight, I don't do it.  It's also the reason I am still training and most of my buds from the 80's and 90's are done because of injuries... some were very serious.

great post, and right on most people in the gym are morons and train to heavy.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Grape Ape on July 03, 2017, 04:56:47 PM
I rarely go below 8 reps/set and have more mass than heavy trainers.  People have asked me about it, I simply tell them they are using too much weight (i.e. ego training) and losing the feel of the exercise.  In my 33 years of experience, more volume and sets always got me more size/results than heavy weights.  If I can't get at least 8 reps with a certain weight, I don't do it.  It's also the reason I am still training and most of my buds from the 80's and 90's are done because of injuries... some were very serious.

Great advice.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on July 03, 2017, 05:01:18 PM
I rarely go below 8 reps/set and have more mass than heavy trainers.  People have asked me about it, I simply tell them they are using too much weight (i.e. ego training) and losing the feel of the exercise.  In my 33 years of experience, more volume and sets always got me more size/results than heavy weights.  If I can't get at least 8 reps with a certain weight, I don't do it.  It's also the reason I am still training and most of my buds from the 80's and 90's are done because of injuries... some were very serious.

Do you use AAS?  If so, what are you running?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Nether Animal on July 03, 2017, 05:07:19 PM
the point was you dont get kudos for breaking your back doing something when the same can be achieved with brain cells.

I agree, but brain cells are sort of at a premium when it comes to the average gym rat.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Mr Anabolic on July 03, 2017, 05:09:43 PM
Do you use AAS?  If so, what are you running?

I dabbled in the early 90's and early 2000's.  Clean since then.

Volume/higher reps yields the best results for me.  Of course you have to do everything else right too.  
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on July 03, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
I dabbled in the early 90's and early 2000's.  Clean since then.

Volume/higher reps yields the best results for me.  Of course you have to do everything else right too.  

I was just curious, a name like "Mr Anabolic" led me to suspect otherwise
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Mr Anabolic on July 03, 2017, 05:36:48 PM
I was just curious, a name like "Mr Anabolic" led me to suspect otherwise


I created my account while I was running a cycle   ;D
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: MCWAY on July 03, 2017, 05:57:42 PM
Not this again!!!

You just can't satisfy certain people. The same folks that pick on Heath for supposedly using light weights and being "all drugs" will turn right around and laugh at people like Coleman because of all the injuries he's sustained because of his training style (coupled with his football injuries).



Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: The Scott on July 03, 2017, 06:15:11 PM
Multiple Mr O



Who cares how strong he is?

He should be getting credit that he can gain so much using so little weight....

So little weight, so many drugs.  Phildo the living butt-plug.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: rocket on July 04, 2017, 03:03:59 AM
Not this again!!!

You just can't satisfy certain people. The same folks that pick on Heath for supposedly using light weights and being "all drugs" will turn right around and laugh at people like Coleman because of all the injuries he's sustained because of his training style (coupled with his football injuries).

It's a pretty well known fact that just about everybody on earth, other than getbig experts are doing everything wrong.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Waller on July 04, 2017, 03:36:33 AM
It's a pretty well known fact that just about everybody on earth, other than getbig experts are doing everything wrong.


We choose not to win the Olympia not because it is hard, but because it is easy.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Bevo on July 04, 2017, 04:35:14 AM
It's a pretty well known fact that just about everybody on earth, other than getbig experts are doing everything wrong.


It's lifting weights, not rocket science



Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Waller on July 04, 2017, 05:14:54 AM
It's lifting weights, not rocket science


What is rocket science, but lifting bigger weights?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: dj181 on July 04, 2017, 05:39:50 AM
I rarely go below 8 reps/set and have more mass than heavy trainers.  People have asked me about it, I simply tell them they are using too much weight (i.e. ego training) and losing the feel of the exercise.  In my 33 years of experience, more volume and sets always got me more size/results than heavy weights.  If I can't get at least 8 reps with a certain weight, I don't do it.  It's also the reason I am still training and most of my buds from the 80's and 90's are done because of injuries... some were very serious.

took me 20 some years to figure this out

how often do you take your sets to failure?




Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 04, 2017, 05:41:05 AM
took me 20 some years to figure this out

how often do you take your sets to failure?






epic troll post yet again....

subtle though I will give you that.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: dj181 on July 04, 2017, 06:04:45 AM
epic troll post yet again....

subtle though I will give you that.

 ???

so speaking the truth is a troll post?

listen stumpy,  I did gear and I found out it didn't do too much for me

my best natty was a buck 67 @ 7-8% my best enhanced was a buck 76 @ 7-8%

gear did make me a bit fuller and more vascular and gage me a bit more "pop" to my muscles, but I didn't gain much lean dry muscle on it
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: Simple Simon on July 04, 2017, 07:44:02 AM
???

so speaking the truth is a troll post?

listen stumpy,  I did gear and I found out it didn't do too much for me

my best natty was a buck 67 @ 7-8% my best enhanced was a buck 76 @ 7-8%

gear did make me a bit fuller and more vascular and gage me a bit more "pop" to my muscles, but I didn't gain much lean dry muscle on it

answer the previous post with something that has zero relevance to the post and get the other poster to respond.

Well done, ya got me....

Now, hopefully someone else will learn from my error.    ;)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: kevcat on July 04, 2017, 08:08:42 AM
So easily hitting reps in good form with 100s, after several sets of exercises before it, isn't good?  ::)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on July 04, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
So easily hitting reps in good form with 100s, after several sets of exercises before it, isn't good?  ::)
what video were you watching? The man is a worthless hunk of pure shit-and you support him?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: The Scott on July 04, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
what video were you watching? The man is a worthless hunk of pure shit-and you support him?

I agree.  Phildo is a worthless piece of shit that somehow became animated and lives and walks among men.

The Fugawee Tribe have a legend about a pile of crap (the original crap was black, fact!) that comes to life and spreads lies like backstage butt cheeks at the SchmOelympia.  They call it "Turd Who Walks".

The story sounds kinda lilke a ghetto version of Frosty the Snowman except instead of a hat on his head some addict dropped a syringe in a pile of shit..."and he began to pose around..."

If there is a God, I hope he lets Phildo's dead wife haunt his bloated ass for the rest of his totally unnatural life.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: SF1900 on July 04, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
Phil Heath will be Ronnie and Haneys record.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Struggling to press 100 pound dumbells
Post by: dseiler on July 05, 2017, 07:33:25 AM
I think that Phil could get a ton of reps with that weight if he used his triceps more. But I think that he was purposely trying to not use is triceps. Phil was just using his pecs to move the weight (and his pecs were pre-exhausted)

This. Look at his form.