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Pres. Trump: Transgender people will not be allowed to serve ‘in any capacity’ in the US military
Fox News ^ | July 26, 2017 | AP Wire Service
Posted on 7/26/2017, 9:23:19 AM by E. Pluribus Unum
WASHINGTON — President Trump said Wednesday morning, July 26th in a series of tweets that transgender people will not be allowed to serve ‘in any capacity’ in the US military.
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Far to expensive and time consuming to allow this crap.
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I'm for this. Without going into some long winded crap about why, I'll say I'm for it.
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To sum things up.... :-\
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Pres. Trump: Transgender people will not be allowed to serve ‘in any capacity’ in the US military
Fox News ^ | July 26, 2017 | AP Wire Service
Posted on 7/26/2017, 9:23:19 AM by E. Pluribus Unum
WASHINGTON — President Trump said Wednesday morning, July 26th in a series of tweets that transgender people will not be allowed to serve ‘in any capacity’ in the US military.
(Excerpt) Read more at fox6now.com ...
Total winning....MAGA BITCHES!
And on the same day chimpbama gets exposed for illegal NSA spying on Americans
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Total winning....MAGA BITCHES!
And on the same day chimpbama gets exposed for illegal NSA spying on Americans
My FB is a cauldron of liberal rage
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give 'em red meat when everything is going so rosy for Trump haha
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My FB is a cauldron of liberal rage
Why don't you have me on your friends list you son of a bitch??? ;D
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My FB is a cauldron of liberal rage
I know this is a hot button issue for the religious right and LGBT friendly liberals.
But in reality, it involves less then 0.00000001% of the US armed forces.
This is one issue I'll take " don't give a fuk" .
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but think of the 999999999.9 % distraction return
I can't speak for all military members, but if they did their job, I wouldn't have cared.
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Amazing what happens when someone with cojones actually listens to his military advisers.
I talked to someone in the military who went through transgender training. One of the training scenarios involved a woman who wants to become a man, starts the process, but in the middle of the process decides to have a baby before completing the transition to a man.
How friggin twisted is that??
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Far to expensive and time consuming to allow this crap.
I've heard it's a couple million dollars a year.
Not even sure if that is big enough to qualify as a drop in the bucket
what's the problem exactly. If they are competent at their jobs then who cares ?
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Why don't you have me on your friends list you son of a bitch??? ;D
Check your pm
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I've heard it's a couple million dollars a year.
Not even sure if that is big enough to qualify as a drop in the bucket
what's the problem exactly. If they are competent at their jobs then who cares ?
Mental
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I've heard it's a couple million dollars a year.
Not even sure if that is big enough to qualify as a drop in the bucket
what's the problem exactly. If they are competent at their jobs then who cares ?
Because the time they need to go through all the surgeries and bs they are out of commission and can't work in their MOS, while also costing taxpayers a fortune.
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Because the time they need to go through all the surgeries and bs they are out of commission and can't work in their MOS, while also costing taxpayers a fortune.
not true
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Amazing what happens when someone with cojones actually listens to his military advisers.
I talked to someone in the military who went through transgender training. One of the training scenarios involved a woman who wants to become a man, starts the process, but in the middle of the process decides to have a baby before completing the transition to a man.
How friggin twisted is that??
That's pretty crazy and I'm against any group getting "special treatment".
Paying for operations and sensitivity training seems nutty.
I don't think the military should pay for shit and just treat everyone equal.
I can tell you that the most insane , surreal form of training in USMC boot camp had nothing to do with sex or gender.
It was during NBC ( nuke, chem, bio) weapons training.
I swear to GOD, the nuclear bomb training was as follows:
" When you see the flash, fold your arms in front of you and fall fwd. Being close to the ground is your best defense and chance
for survival" :o You don't want to know how bad the gas chamber "qualification is/was. LOL
My point is as goofy as the transgender crap is, the real stuff is a lot more crazy and serious.
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If a male member of the military failed the physical fitness standards for men, could he claim he is transgender and qualify under the lower physical standards for women?
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If a male member of the military failed the physical fitness standards for men, could he claim he is transgender and qualify under the lower physical standards for women?
Bigger question is: will we see Major TBombz in a bunny flight suit ???
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You'd think they could just have ladyboy platoons. Kinda like the Tuskegee Airman or something.
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You'd think they could just have ladyboy platoons. Kinda like the Tuskegee Airman or something.
C'mon now, the Tuskegee Airmen were real heroes and fought in an actual war.
The Lady Boys would only be good at servicing the real men. :D
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Amazing what happens when someone with cojones actually listens to his military advisers.
I talked to someone in the military who went through transgender training. One of the training scenarios involved a woman who wants to become a man, starts the process, but in the middle of the process decides to have a baby before completing the transition to a man.
How friggin twisted is that??
This issue is not about whether the actions of a few transgender people are twisted, it's about their right to serve in the military. If being "twisted" was the concern, there might not be anyone qualified to serve in the military.
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This issue is not about whether the actions of a few transgender people are twisted, it's about their right to serve in the military. If being "twisted" was the concern, there might not be anyone qualified to serve in the military.
I disagree. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, that scenario is twisted, particularly in the military environment.
It has the potential to interfere with military readiness. You have some person who, by choice, is surgically trying to change their gender in the middle of a war? That's just craziness. The military commanders likely uniformly advised Trump to stop this, something they couldn't accomplish with Obama. Thank God Obama is now a private citizen.
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Trump killing another one of Obama's stupied rules.
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This issue is not about whether the actions of a few transgender people are twisted, it's about their right to serve in the military. If being "twisted" was the concern, there might not be anyone qualified to serve in the military.
Why are you letting your gayness cloud your judgement? By the way that is a perfectly good question because you're making no sense.
I know many people that have been refused by the military based on, weight, acne, sweating, age. Do you understand? Now, going through a sex change to become the opposite sex is a MEDICAL CONDITION.
How those hormones will act in your body, the way they are adjusting are always be a concern.
What you want it an equal outcome and that doesn't exist. With the high suicide rate among transgender people 10 years...yes 10 years after surgery, I believe these people couldn't handle the pressure and intensity of being in the military.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Amazing what happens when someone with cojones actually listens to his military advisers.
I talked to someone in the military who went through transgender training. One of the training scenarios involved a woman who wants to become a man, starts the process, but in the middle of the process decides to have a baby before completing the transition to a man.
How friggin twisted is that??
sorry to see you fell for Trumps lie
the military was not involved and had no forewarning of this tweet
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sorry to see you fell for Trumps lie
the military was not involved and had no forewarning of this tweet
Oh look, the liberal minion is back and still in complete denial 😂😂😂😂
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Oh look, the liberal minion is back and still in complete denial 😂😂😂😂
what do you imagine I'm in denial about ?
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what do you imagine I'm in denial about ?
Your sexuality and intelligence to start...
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Your sexuality and intelligence to start...
Lol
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Your sexuality and intelligence to start...
nope, fully confident in both
a quick review of your posts would suggest otherwise
joint chiefs had no prior knowledge of Trumptards tweet on this subject
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sorry to see you fell for Trumps lie
the military was not involved and had no forewarning of this tweet
The pentagon said they didn't know trump was gonna issue a statement. I find it nearly impossible to believe based on the shat Gen Mattis has been putting out, that this was not discussed. This issue is not gays.....I had two gay troops..one was great and one was a shitbag. Neither case had anything to do with being gay. This is far different. If you are on these drugs, facing surgery, coming off surgery you can't deploy. 45% of these people contemplate suicide in some way...we carry weapons if you didn't realize that. I can't afford to risk the lives of medivac crews if you can't get your drugs and your at a FOB...or you get sick from complications...or whatever. This is a shit show. These people have an mental illness.
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The pentagon said they didn't know trump was gonna issue a statement. I find it nearly impossible to believe based on the shat Gen Mattis has been putting out, that this was not discussed. This issue is not gays.....I had two gay troops..one was great and one was a shitbag. Neither case had anything to do with being gay. This is far different. If you are on these drugs, facing surgery, coming off surgery you can't deploy. 45% of these people contemplate suicide in some way...we carry weapons if you didn't realize that. I can't afford to risk the lives of medivac crews if you can't get your drugs and your at a FOB...or you get sick from complications...or whatever. This is a shit show. These people have an mental illness.
I'm aware the issue is not gays
I'm not aware that trans people are officially considered mentally ill. I assume this is just your opinion but if you have some link to a to that conclusion by the military then please post it.
I suspect that things like alcohol, drug abuse, depression and other truly diagnosed mental health issues are a much greater problem which effects deployment and readiness more than being trans. I'm also sure that the health costs and downtime for any surgeries is a tiny fraction of all surgeries covered by military health plans
If you have some actual proof of a study done by the military that confirms these people can't do their jobs or are a danger to themselves or others then again, please post it
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/trump-military-transgender-ban-joint-chiefs/index.html
The Joint Chiefs of Staff, including chairman General Joseph Dunford, were not aware President Donald Trump planned to tweet a ban on transgender service members, three US defense officials told CNN -- the latest indication that top military leaders across all four service branches were blindsided by the President's announcement.
For now, Dunford has informed service members that there will be "no modifications to the current policy until the President's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued implementation guidelines."
"In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect," Dunford wrote in a memo to the military that was obtained by CNN. "As importantly, given the current fight and the challenges we face, we will all remain focused on accomplishing our assigned missions."
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You're fucking kidding me right. Do you just spew this shit on threads without research....I don't, never have.
Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday....thats from USATODAY but the study is online now.
And the point is why am I going to train a fucking tranny then be unable to deploy him or her. Why am I going to burden the military with his/her medical issues. We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.
Tranny's as a mental illness - An earlier change occurred in 2013, when “gender identity disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), U.S. psychiatry’s bible for diagnosing mental illness. A new condition called “gender dysphoria” was added to diagnose and treat those transgender individuals who felt distress at the mismatch between their identities and their bodies.
They used to be nuts until somebody convinced the docs otherwise....but their suicide rates as compared to the rest of society still sort say they're nuts...not fit for service.
The wackjobs did what the gays did and went after the docs on transgender diagnoses.
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You're fucking kidding me right. Do you just spew this shit on threads without research....I don't, never have.
Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday....thats from USATODAY but the study is online now.
And the point is why am I going to train a fucking tranny then be unable to deploy him or her. Why am I going to burden the military with his/her medical issues. We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.
Tranny's as a mental illness - An earlier change occurred in 2013, when “gender identity disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), U.S. psychiatry’s bible for diagnosing mental illness. A new condition called “gender dysphoria” was added to diagnose and treat those transgender individuals who felt distress at the mismatch between their identities and their bodies.
They used to be nuts until somebody convinced the docs otherwise....but their suicide rates as compared to the rest of society still sort say they're nuts...not fit for service.
The wackjobs did what the gays did and went after the docs on transgender diagnoses.
is gender dysphoria considered a mental illness
if so, then it should be really simple to keep them out of the military
is drug addiction and alcoholism a mental illness ?
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You're fucking kidding me right. Do you just spew this shit on threads without research....I don't, never have.
Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday....thats from USATODAY but the study is online now.
And the point is why am I going to train a fucking tranny then be unable to deploy him or her. Why am I going to burden the military with his/her medical issues. We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.
Tranny's as a mental illness - An earlier change occurred in 2013, when “gender identity disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), U.S. psychiatry’s bible for diagnosing mental illness. A new condition called “gender dysphoria” was added to diagnose and treat those transgender individuals who felt distress at the mismatch between their identities and their bodies.
They used to be nuts until somebody convinced the docs otherwise....but their suicide rates as compared to the rest of society still sort say they're nuts...not fit for service.
The wackjobs did what the gays did and went after the docs on transgender diagnoses.
OK, I lol'ed.
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I have no problem with this on a policy level.
Two things I have an issue with:
1. You can't make policy from Twitter. You tell your Generals, they pass it down their chain of command and people in the service are notified by their superiors. Not a tweet. It's disrespectful to the service.
2. I have no problem with them using cost as a factor, if they choose to not want to pay for SRS, great. No problem. They better stop buying boner pills though.
We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.
Don't talk to me about money for Tanks and shit when you're buying viagra by the truckload on the military dime. That's all.
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Talking points galore in this thread.
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Excellent
No doubt our resident queer liberals
Will deny that it should be that way
& mentally ill folk who want to mutalate
Their bodies are just fine.
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Excellent
No doubt our resident queer liberals
Will deny that it should be that way
& mentally ill folk who want to mutalate
Their bodies are just fine.
I have a female friend who is a stud. Does marathons and triathlons. Great athlete. She was rejected by the Army because of eczema, which is totally controlled by medication. Went all the way up the chain with appeals and they still deemed her medically unfit to serve.
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I have a female friend who is a stud. Does marathons and triathlons. Great athlete. She was rejected by the Army because of eczema, which is totally controlled by medication. Went all the way up the chain with appeals and they still deemed her medically unfit to serve.
Good point and very relevant.
The last couple posts have motivated me to sound off on how I really feel about this issue.
As a US Marine, you were required to conform to very strict, rigid standards of uniform dress and bearing.
I was on the Marine power lifting team and some of us had to get ht/wt waivers.
For example, I was one of the lifters who had to get a body composition test .
Keep in mind, I'm 5'10" and competed in 198 lbs class , making me only a few lbs over the marine standard.
I got the waiver and understood why they required it.
It's a pretty simple concept at work here.
If you want to be a marine, you conform to THEIR standards of dress, appearance , hair style, etc.
When you're a US Marine, you act the part , look the part and will go to war If called .
As a member of the US military, you volunteer to be under the UCMJ* and waive your basic rights.
* Uniform Code of Military Justice.
I never served in combat, but went thru the training.
Most of it was tough , stressful and mentally exhausting.
They never asked me , if I wanted to do it. They simply ordered me to.
You know that going in and without a draft everyone is a volunteer.
If you want to be a drag queen or change your gender, that's NOT part of the USMC.
Those who want to do their own thing, fine and dandy.
BUT do so on your nickel ,as a private citizen.
The military recruits men and women of all races, creeds and faiths.
In my experience, it was the fairest organization I was ever involved with.
I don't think sticking with one gender is too much to ask to wear the uniform.
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Good point and very relevant.
The last couple posts have motivated me to sound off on how I really feel about this issue.
As a US Marine, you were required to conform to very strict, rigid standards of uniform dress and bearing.
I was on the Marine power lifting team and some of us had to get ht/wt waivers.
For example, I was one of the lifters who had to get a body composition test .
Keep in mind, I'm 5'10" and competed in 198 lbs class , making me only a few lbs over the marine standard.
I got the waiver and understood why they required it.
It's a pretty simple concept at work here.
If you want to be a marine, you conform to THEIR standards of dress, appearance , hair style, etc.
When you're a US Marine, you act the part , look the part and will go to war If called .
As a member of the US military, you volunteer to be under the UCMJ* and waive your basic rights.
* Uniform Code of Military Justice.
I never served in combat, but went thru the training.
Most of it was tough , stressful and mentally exhausting.
They never asked me , if I wanted to do it. They simply ordered me to.
You know that going in and without a draft everyone is a volunteer.
If you want to be a drag queen or change your gender, that's NOT part of the USMC.
Those who want to do their own thing, fine and dandy.
BUT do so on your nickel ,as a private citizen.
The military recruits men and women of all races, creeds and faiths.
In my experience, it was the fairest organization I was ever involved with.
I don't think sticking with one gender is too much to ask to wear the uniform.
:o Jeez Howard are you feeling ok.!!
Good post.
We actually agree.
😉
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:o Jeez Howard are you feeling ok.!!
Good post.
We actually agree.
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Thanks. Like I keep posting , on actual ISSUES most of you would tend to agree with me.
It's TRUMP the man , I'm opposed to based mostly on his temperament and inability to work with a diverse congress .
People WRONGLY assume, since I'm anti-Trump, I must be some flaming liberal that loves Hillary and Bernie.
Suffice to say, I'd be thrilled to have Pence as POTUS.
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Good point and very relevant.
The last couple posts have motivated me to sound off on how I really feel about this issue.
As a US Marine, you were required to conform to very strict, rigid standards of uniform dress and bearing.
I was on the Marine power lifting team and some of us had to get ht/wt waivers.
For example, I was one of the lifters who had to get a body composition test .
Keep in mind, I'm 5'10" and competed in 198 lbs class , making me only a few lbs over the marine standard.
I got the waiver and understood why they required it.
It's a pretty simple concept at work here.
If you want to be a marine, you conform to THEIR standards of dress, appearance , hair style, etc.
When you're a US Marine, you act the part , look the part and will go to war If called .
As a member of the US military, you volunteer to be under the UCMJ* and waive your basic rights.
* Uniform Code of Military Justice.
I never served in combat, but went thru the training.
Most of it was tough , stressful and mentally exhausting.
They never asked me , if I wanted to do it. They simply ordered me to.
You know that going in and without a draft everyone is a volunteer.
If you want to be a drag queen or change your gender, that's NOT part of the USMC.
Those who want to do their own thing, fine and dandy.
BUT do so on your nickel ,as a private citizen.
The military recruits men and women of all races, creeds and faiths.
In my experience, it was the fairest organization I was ever involved with.
I don't think sticking with one gender is too much to ask to wear the uniform.
that pretty much covers everyone
as long as they can do the job
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Maybe soon Hollywood will make a "Screaming Queen - U.S. Marine" type series, like an action comedy or something.
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that pretty much covers everyone
as long as they can do the job
Let's see you agree with the above statement.
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Maybe soon Hollywood will make a "Screaming Queen - U.S. Marine" type series, like an action comedy or something.
I'd bet my left nut, the majority of USMC gender benders would be females wanting to be men.
Take one quick look at the female drill instructors to see they look more like Rambo then Cinderella. :o
I'd have much rather been in combat with one of those "tough girls" then that wimpy Bradley " Chellsey" Manning.
Having said that, I don't think the military needs to fund gender change operations.
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Do you have any idea how many people we have kicked out for bad teeth. After my first tour I was assigned to help the units deploy our of Ohio. We'd mobilize and help assist in training them to deploy. We lost guys left and right for teeth. I honestly can't understand who they kicked out and who they fixed allowed to deploy but dudes were dropping left and right. You have zero right to expect to be allowed to join up unless you meet a fairly low standard. But trannies...fall under that line. This is a major mental health issue...these people pop themselves or consider suicide at a 45% rate....any u want to send em to combat. Enough..there are between 2 - 7K of em. Not enough to dedicate any extra time to.
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Do you have any idea how many people we have kicked out for bad teeth. After my first tour I was assigned to help the units deploy our of Ohio. We'd mobilize and help assist in training them to deploy. We lost guys left and right for teeth. I honestly can't understand who they kicked out and who they fixed allowed to deploy but dudes were dropping left and right. You have zero right to expect to be allowed to join up unless you meet a fairly low standard. But trannies...fall under that line. This is a major mental health issue...these people pop themselves or consider suicide at a 45% rate....any u want to send em to combat. Enough..there are between 2 - 7K of em. Not enough to dedicate any extra time to.
Straw wasnt planning on joining anyway. ;D :D
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Do you have any idea how many people we have kicked out for bad teeth. After my first tour I was assigned to help the units deploy our of Ohio. We'd mobilize and help assist in training them to deploy. We lost guys left and right for teeth. I honestly can't understand who they kicked out and who they fixed allowed to deploy but dudes were dropping left and right. You have zero right to expect to be allowed to join up unless you meet a fairly low standard. But trannies...fall under that line. This is a major mental health issue...these people pop themselves or consider suicide at a 45% rate....any u want to send em to combat. Enough..there are between 2 - 7K of em. Not enough to dedicate any extra time to.
Should we be spending resources on boner pills? No one seems to want to go on the record saying that's a good thing.
I wonder why?
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Should we be spending resources on boner pills? No one seems to want to go on the record saying that's a good thing.
I wonder why?
The two have nothing to do with one another. And no - we shouldnt - but the issue is not related.
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Is erectile dysfunction a mental illness???
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The two have nothing to do with one another. And no - we shouldnt - but the issue is not related.
Yes they are. In relation to costing the tax payers money, they are fucking directly related.
Both are expenses that the tax payer should not be funding.
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Yes they are. In relation to costing the tax payers money, they are fucking directly related.
Both are expenses that the tax payer should not be funding.
Its about Trans being a mental illness - not nececessarily the cost.
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I'd bet my left nut, the majority of USMC gender benders would be females wanting to be men.
Take one quick look at the female drill instructors to see they look more like Rambo then Cinderella. :o
I'd have much rather been in combat with one of those "tough girls" then that wimpy Bradley " Chellsey" Manning.
Having said that, I don't think the military needs to fund gender change operations.
Yeah, but you must admit most women of that type are satisfied with being a Bull Dyke. It's usually the men who go full nutzoid (or sans nutz or whatever). They seem to be absolutely crazy, as well, which I notice goes unmentioned for the most part.
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Its about Trans being a mental illness - not nececessarily the cost.
They are both brought up.
If you want to make it about mental illness, that's fine, but that's not what people have stated. People, maybe not yourself, but others, have stated it's not right for the Tax payer to cover the expenses.
My point is that if that's not right, fine... I agree, but then don't cover Viagra or other ED medications.
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They are both brought up.
If you want to make it about mental illness, that's fine, but that's not what people have stated. People, maybe not yourself, but others, have stated it's not right for the Tax payer to cover the expenses.
My point is that if that's not right, fine... I agree, but then don't cover Viagra or other ED medications.
Maybe they mean it's not right to cover expenses because it's a mental illness.
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Maybe they mean it's not right to cover expenses because it's a mental illness.
I don't see that as a valid excuse either.
PTSD is a mental illness and we cover that. I'm not comparing the two on how the illness is generated btw, I'm just saying that the government covers mental illnesses all of the time when it comes to the health and well being of our troops.
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I don't see that as a valid excuse either.
PTSD is a mental illness and we cover that. I'm not comparing the two on how the illness is generated btw, I'm just saying that the government covers mental illnesses all of the time when it comes to the health and well being of our troops.
Yes, treating the PTSD as a way of saying that the service may have caused it to appear.
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And of course a TG operation couldn't be considered treatment if it's admitted to be a mental illness.
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Why are you letting your gayness cloud your judgement? By the way that is a perfectly good question because you're making no sense.
I know many people that have been refused by the military based on, weight, acne, sweating, age. Do you understand? Now, going through a sex change to become the opposite sex is a MEDICAL CONDITION.
How those hormones will act in your body, the way they are adjusting are always be a concern.
What you want it an equal outcome and that doesn't exist. With the high suicide rate among transgender people 10 years...yes 10 years after surgery, I believe these people couldn't handle the pressure and intensity of being in the military.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My gayness clouding my judgment? Give me a break!
Both my sons who are retired career military, one with considerable combat experience, believe Trump's views on transgender folks serving in the military are wrong.
BTW, here's how military leadership is treating Trump's recent tweets on this topic, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/us/politics/transgender-military-trump-ban.html
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I'm concerned that the navy won't be able to fulfill recruitment demands with this ban in place.
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Transgender Surgeries Would Cost Pentagon $1.3 Billion
Sex-change surgeries cost an average $132,000 each
BY: Elizabeth Harrington
July 27, 2017
Taxpayer-funded sex-change surgeries would cost the Pentagon $1.3 billion over 10 years.
President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that transgender individuals will not be eligible to serve in the military, with the White House citing cost and military readiness concerns.
Internal data provided to the Washington Free Beacon from Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R., Mo.), a leading opponent of taxpayer-funded sex changes, show that even by using a conservative estimate, the costs associated with 0.7 percent of the military population is great.
Hartzler's office provided a detailed calculation that shows estimates of the current number of transgender service members, and the number likely to seek a taxpayer-funded gender transition.
"The 10-year cost estimate is for surgery only and is adjusted for 3 percent inflation; it accounts for Active Duty, Guard, and Reserve members currently serving as well as new recruits over the same time period," the document states. "It uses the FY 18 DoD number for total number of military members and multiplies it by the percentage of military personnel assumed to be transgender as reported by the UCLA Williams Institute and the National Center for Transgender Equality."
The 2014 Williams Institute study found there were 15,500 transgender individuals actively serving, or 0.7 percent of the military population. By adjusting the figure for the enlistment numbers of 2,130,000, there are currently 14,910 transgender service members.
Thirty percent will likely seek surgeries, or 4,473 transgender troops. The average cost per surgery is $132,000, which is a combination of the average cost of male to female ($140,450) and female to male ($124,400) surgeries.
The cost to taxpayers for these surgeries would be $590 million, and $770 million with a 3 percent inflation rate by 2027.
Hartzler's office calculated the additional costs of surgeries for new transgender recruits every year.
There are 178,000 new military members per year, and assuming 0.7 percent are transgender, 1,246 new transgender service members each year. Assuming 30 percent get surgeries, there would be an additional 374 surgical transitions per year, or 3,740 over 10 years. Those surgeries would cost $493 million, and with 3 percent inflation a total of $579 million by 2027.
The costs of active duty transgender surgeries and those of new recruits over a 10-year period total $1.349 billion.
It is likely even more transgender service members would seek sex reassignment surgeries if they are taxpayer-funded.
More than 30 percent of transgender individuals say they want to have various sex reassignment surgeries in the future, according to the 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey.
Fifty-three percent of men who identify as women say they someday want a breast augmentation, and 61 percent say want an orchiectomy, the surgical removal of one or both testicles, in the future.
Sixty-four percent say they want a vaginoplasty, the construction of a vagina, someday.
Hartzler's office said their cost estimate is more accurate than a study commissioned under the Obama administration by the RAND Corporation, which is federally funded by the Office of the Secretary of Defense.
The RAND study only provided cost estimates for one year, did not adjust for inflation, and only included active duty transgender troops, and not from the National Guard and Reserve.
The RAND study also used a much lower estimate of the number of transgender individuals in the military, between 1,320 and 6,630. The Navy estimates there are at least 13,000 transgender individuals serving in the military, and the Williams Institute reported over 15,000 in 2014.
The RAND study also estimates only 5 percent would seek surgery, a much lower figure than the 30 percent average reported in the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Furthermore, the study does not use cost estimates of the actual surgeries, but only the cost increase in private insurance premiums for plans that cover transgender services.
Hartzler's office also points out the RAND study was commissioned by former secretary of defense Ash Carter under "the presumption that transgender persons can serve openly without adverse impact on military effectiveness and readiness."
The $1.349 billion cost does not include additional medical costs of transgender service members, including hormone therapy, mental health services, or costs associated with surgical complications.
Hartzler, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and chairman of oversight and investigations, praised President Trump's decision to reverse the Obama administration's transgender policy.
"Our military is the most effective, efficient, and well-funded fighting force in the world, and as the president notes, we cannot burden our armed forces with the tremendous costs and disruptions that transgenders in the military would entail," she said. "With the challenges we are facing across the globe, we are asking the American people to invest their hard-earned money in national defense."
"Each dollar needs to be spent to address threats facing our nation," Hartzler continued. "The costs incurred by funding transgender surgeries and the required additional care it demands should not be the focus of our military resources."
In the past, Hartzler has pointed out that for $1.35 billion the Pentagon could purchase 13 F-35 fighters or 14 F-18 Super Hornets.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/transgender-surgeries-would-cost-pentagon-1-3-billion/
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LOL @ Washington Free Beacon
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End of argument
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Transgender Surgeries Would Cost Pentagon $1.3 Billion
Sex-change surgeries cost an average $132,000 each
BY: Elizabeth Harrington
July 27, 2017
Taxpayer-funded sex-change surgeries would cost the Pentagon $1.3 billion over 10 years.
President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that transgender individuals will not be eligible to serve in the military, with the White House citing cost and military readiness concerns.
Internal data provided to the Washington Free Beacon from Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R., Mo.), a leading opponent of taxpayer-funded sex changes, show that even by using a conservative estimate, the costs associated with 0.7 percent of the military population is great.
Hartzler's office provided a detailed calculation that shows estimates of the current number of transgender service members, and the number likely to seek a taxpayer-funded gender transition.
"The 10-year cost estimate is for surgery only and is adjusted for 3 percent inflation; it accounts for Active Duty, Guard, and Reserve members currently serving as well as new recruits over the same time period," the document states. "It uses the FY 18 DoD number for total number of military members and multiplies it by the percentage of military personnel assumed to be transgender as reported by the UCLA Williams Institute and the National Center for Transgender Equality."
The 2014 Williams Institute study found there were 15,500 transgender individuals actively serving, or 0.7 percent of the military population. By adjusting the figure for the enlistment numbers of 2,130,000, there are currently 14,910 transgender service members.
Thirty percent will likely seek surgeries, or 4,473 transgender troops. The average cost per surgery is $132,000, which is a combination of the average cost of male to female ($140,450) and female to male ($124,400) surgeries.
The cost to taxpayers for these surgeries would be $590 million, and $770 million with a 3 percent inflation rate by 2027.
Hartzler's office calculated the additional costs of surgeries for new transgender recruits every year.
There are 178,000 new military members per year, and assuming 0.7 percent are transgender, 1,246 new transgender service members each year. Assuming 30 percent get surgeries, there would be an additional 374 surgical transitions per year, or 3,740 over 10 years. Those surgeries would cost $493 million, and with 3 percent inflation a total of $579 million by 2027.
The costs of active duty transgender surgeries and those of new recruits over a 10-year period total $1.349 billion.
It is likely even more transgender service members would seek sex reassignment surgeries if they are taxpayer-funded.
More than 30 percent of transgender individuals say they want to have various sex reassignment surgeries in the future, according to the 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey.
Fifty-three percent of men who identify as women say they someday want a breast augmentation, and 61 percent say want an orchiectomy, the surgical removal of one or both testicles, in the future.
Sixty-four percent say they want a vaginoplasty, the construction of a vagina, someday.
Hartzler's office said their cost estimate is more accurate than a study commissioned under the Obama administration by the RAND Corporation, which is federally funded by the Office of the Secretary of Defense.
The RAND study only provided cost estimates for one year, did not adjust for inflation, and only included active duty transgender troops, and not from the National Guard and Reserve.
The RAND study also used a much lower estimate of the number of transgender individuals in the military, between 1,320 and 6,630. The Navy estimates there are at least 13,000 transgender individuals serving in the military, and the Williams Institute reported over 15,000 in 2014.
The RAND study also estimates only 5 percent would seek surgery, a much lower figure than the 30 percent average reported in the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Furthermore, the study does not use cost estimates of the actual surgeries, but only the cost increase in private insurance premiums for plans that cover transgender services.
Hartzler's office also points out the RAND study was commissioned by former secretary of defense Ash Carter under "the presumption that transgender persons can serve openly without adverse impact on military effectiveness and readiness."
The $1.349 billion cost does not include additional medical costs of transgender service members, including hormone therapy, mental health services, or costs associated with surgical complications.
Hartzler, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and chairman of oversight and investigations, praised President Trump's decision to reverse the Obama administration's transgender policy.
"Our military is the most effective, efficient, and well-funded fighting force in the world, and as the president notes, we cannot burden our armed forces with the tremendous costs and disruptions that transgenders in the military would entail," she said. "With the challenges we are facing across the globe, we are asking the American people to invest their hard-earned money in national defense."
"Each dollar needs to be spent to address threats facing our nation," Hartzler continued. "The costs incurred by funding transgender surgeries and the required additional care it demands should not be the focus of our military resources."
In the past, Hartzler has pointed out that for $1.35 billion the Pentagon could purchase 13 F-35 fighters or 14 F-18 Super Hornets.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/transgender-surgeries-would-cost-pentagon-1-3-billion/
Hold on, there seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding medical cost for transgender folks in the military. TriCare, which covers military personnel and their families is very restrictive. The likelihood of getting gender reassignment surgery on the government's dime is very remote.
Gender Dysphoria Services
Covered by TRICARE? Limits
Yes
Counseling and hormone therapy are covered. Surgery isn't covered.
TRICARE covers hormone therapy and psychological counseling for gender dysphoria. This condition is when a person is born one gender, but feels they are the opposite. For example, if you are born male, but feel you are female.
TRICARE generally doesn’t cover surgery for gender dysphoria. However, active duty service members may request a waiver if their provider deems surgery medically necessary.
To be medically necessary means it is appropriate, reasonable, and adequate for your condition.
https://tricare.mil/CoveredServices/IsItCovered/GenderDysphoriaServices (https://tricare.mil/CoveredServices/IsItCovered/GenderDysphoriaServices)
The Pentagon would consider gender-reassignment surgery “medically necessary” or an elective, cosmetic surgery, a defense official said. The Defense Department will not pay for any such surgeries not required for medical reasons.
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Hold on, there seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding medical cost for transgender folks in the military. TriCare, which covers military personnel and their families is very restrictive. The likelihood of getting gender reassignment surgery on the government's dime is very remote.
Gender Dysphoria Services
Covered by TRICARE? Limits
Yes
Counseling and hormone therapy are covered. Surgery isn't covered.
TRICARE covers hormone therapy and psychological counseling for gender dysphoria. This condition is when a person is born one gender, but feels they are the opposite. For example, if you are born male, but feel you are female.
TRICARE generally doesn’t cover surgery for gender dysphoria. However, active duty service members may request a waiver if their provider deems surgery medically necessary.
To be medically necessary means it is appropriate, reasonable, and adequate for your condition.
https://tricare.mil/CoveredServices/IsItCovered/GenderDysphoriaServices (https://tricare.mil/CoveredServices/IsItCovered/GenderDysphoriaServices)
The Pentagon would consider gender-reassignment surgery “medically necessary” or an elective, cosmetic surgery, a defense official said. The Defense Department will not pay for any such surgeries not required for medical reasons.
Because these freaks won't make any further demands... ::)
It's best we stop this nonsense before it blossoms into a circus.
When did chopping off your dick become so "progressive"?
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Sorry, no way I would feel comfortable with someone next to me who is as likely to kill themselves as someone else.
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Because these freaks won't make any further demands... ::)
It's best we stop this nonsense before it blossoms into a circus.
When did chopping off your dick become so "progressive"?
They can demand all they want and TriCare will continue to say no. I'm guessing you've never been on TriCare.
It is nonsense (not comprehensible) to you, me and most people because we don't have gender disphoria.
Is gender reassignment progressive? Perhaps not as much as you think. Lili Ilse Elvenes, better known as Lili Elbe (28 December 1882 – 13 September 1931), was trans-gendered. In 1930, Elbe went to Germany for sex reassignment surgery, which was ... was not the first trans-gender woman to undergo sex reassignment surgery. Gender reassignment surgery was performed at Johns Hopkins as early as 1966.
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Because these freaks won't make any further demands... ::) ---- True
It's best we stop this nonsense before it blossoms into a circus. ---- It has already started to become a circus
When did chopping off your dick become so "progressive"? ----- When liberal leftists started to push their agenda
It's mental illness
They don't need encouragement to mutate themselves
They require either one of two things.
1, A Bullet
2, Mental illness Help.
What next Mentaly Ill people saying they are cows / sheep / rhinos etc
& they need help to transform into one.... ::)
Sick beyond belief.
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Yeah, but you must admit most women of that type are satisfied with being a Bull Dyke. It's usually the men who go full nutzoid (or sans nutz or whatever). They seem to be absolutely crazy, as well, which I notice goes unmentioned for the most part.
Combat ready transgender bull dykes= no doubt
More sane then a lady boy tranny= doubtful ;)
BOTH sides are a bit crazy, but I know only one that's ready to kick ass in battle and it ain't Kaitlynn Jenner or Chelsey Manning
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My gayness clouding my judgment? Give me a break!
Both my sons who are retired career military, one with considerable combat experience, believe Trump's views on transgender folks serving in the military are wrong.
BTW, here's how military leadership is treating Trump's recent tweets on this topic, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/us/politics/transgender-military-trump-ban.html
Give you a break?
You're making no sense. Its a MEDICAL CONDITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure your son's are going to tell you to your face because they know their dad is gay. I'm sure if they are men they know Trannies have no business in the military.
Or
Did your sons rip their nylons when putting on their fatigues?
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Caitlyn Jenner wears a red “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) while cruising her classic car in Malibu, Calif., on Aug. 3, 2017.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/caitlyn-jenner-still-supports-donald-trump-despite-criticizing-proposed-transgender-military-ban-162455760.html
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Transgender Lawsuit Asks Court To Override Donald Trump’s Sex Policy
by NEIL MUNRO
9 Aug 2017
Two political groups for “transgender” soldiers have asked a court to enshrine the transgender ideology in the military and in the constitution, despite the lack of laws from Congress or support from the public.
The lawsuit was filed in response to President Donald Trump’s July 26 directive which ended Pentagon acceptance of the claim that people should be treated as members of the opposite sex if they say they have a “gender identity” that does not match their male or female body. Trump directed:
After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail.
Trump’s directive does not exclude people who want to live quietly as members of the opposite sex, but ended President Barack Obama’s 2016 official endorsement of the transgender claim that people’s biological sex is legally subordinate to their personal sense of male or female “gender.”
According to the lawsuit:
President Trump’s directive to exclude transgender people from military service discriminates against Plaintiffs based on their sex and transgender status, without lawful justification, in violation of the Equal Protection component of the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. The categorical exclusion of transgender people from military service lacks a rational basis, is arbitrary, and cannot be justified by sufficient federal interests …
From the implementation of its June 2016 policy until the President’s June 26, 2017 announcement, Defendants provided Plaintiffs with ongoing support for their continued service in the military as openly transgender persons … In reliance upon that promise from Defendants, Plaintiffs have undergone medical treatment for the purpose of gender transition… Defendants [should be] estopped from rescinding the rights, benefits, and protections promised to Plaintiffs.
The lawsuit was filed by National Center for Lesbian Rights and by GLBTQ Legal Advocates & Defenders on behalf of five anonymous soldiers who are trying to live as members of the opposite sex.
The lawsuit is one of many legal efforts which transgender advocates are launching to persuade the Supreme Court to establish the legal and social claim that a person’s self-declared “gender” is more important than their biological sex. If approved, that ambitious demand would sweep away the many evolved and popular laws and civic practices which help the two sexes compete, cooperate and complement each other. For example, sports leagues normally include women or men, but not both. Similarly, childhood is build around the idea that boys and girls should try to become an ideal male or female adult, not a member of the opposite sex.
To win that unpopular and revolutionary goal, transgender activists — and their allies in the Democratic party and in the media — downplay the political process and instead portray the political dispute as a legal battle for unrecognized-but-real constitutional rights which should instantly trump all federal, state and local laws, as well as public and private civic practices.
In this case, the transgender activists say that each soldiers’ supposed right to switch their legal sex trumps the orders of the nation’s elected President and commander-in-chief. Thus the lawsuit plays up the soldiers’ individuals hopes and fears, and ignores the huge impact of a Supreme Court decision saying that even one soldier’s declared gender is more important than his or her biological sex. For example, the lawsuit relies on the personal priorities of five soldiers who insist they are members of the opposite sex.
According to the lawsuit:
Plaintiffs are active duty servicemembers in the United States military who serve openly as transgender people. They proceed under pseudonyms here for fear of retribution.
Jane Doe 1 has served with distinction in the United States Coast Guard for more than a decade. In or around June 2016, in reliance on the issuance of the policy permitting open service by transgender servicemembers, Jane Doe 1 notified her command that she is transgender.
Since that time, she has continued to serve without incident and has furthered her gender transition in reliance on the Department of Defense’s policy permitting open service by transgender servicemembers. Following President Trump’s tweets, Jane Doe 1 submitted a prospective letter of resignation stating that she would resign rather than be involuntarily terminated on account of her transgender status. Were the Department of Defense to retreat from the policy announced by President Trump, Jane Doe 1 would withdraw her resignation and continue to serve…
In or around June of 2016, in reliance on the Department of Defense policy permitting transgender people to serve openly in the military, Jane Doe 3 notified her command that she is transgender. Since then, she has continued serving her post without incident.
Jane Doe 3’s current contract with the military extends through December 2018. She plans to renew her contract, but fears that she will not be allowed to do so because of the ban.
“The Commander in Chief has said that transgender service members — people who have served our nation with honor and distinction — are no longer welcome to serve,” said a statement from Jennifer Levi, Director of GLAD’s Transgender Rights Project. “This unjustifiable reversal of policy is devastating to these soldiers and harmful to our country. These plaintiffs put their lives on the line every day for all of us. We can’t afford to lose a single one of them,” Levi added.
The lawsuit marks a change of strategy for transgender groups. Before Trump’s revocation of Obama’s endorsement of the gender-identity-beats-biology claim, they had hopes to use the Pentagon’s validation to win more lawsuits before making their decisive appeal to the Supreme Court.
That strategy worked rapidly for gay activists, who persuaded the Supreme Court in 2015 to approve the Obergefell decision. The decision changed marriage laws to include single-sex couples, and it redefined marriage around the needs of adults, instead of children’s need to be raised in a stable family.
The progressive push to bend Americans’ attitudes and their male-and-female civic society around the idea of “gender” has already attacked and cracked popular social rules for how Americans handle the many differences between different, complementary and equal men and women. These pro-gender claims have an impact on different-sex bathrooms, shelters for battered women, sports leagues for girls, hiking groups for boys, K-12 curricula, university speech codes, religious freedoms, free speech, the social status of women, parents’ rights in childrearing, practices to help teenagers, women’s expectations of beauty, culture and civic society, scientific research, prison safety, civic ceremonies, school rules, men’s sense of masculinity, law enforcement, and children’s sexual privacy.
That transgender goal is also opposed some gays, by some former transgender people, and some feminists.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/09/lawsuit-asks-court-override-donald-trumps-rejection-transgender-ideology/
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I think they should compromise. Only allow trannies in the Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard.
Howard, you ever hot rack with a trap?