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Has anyone seen this "What the Hell" movie ? makes many people go vegan ....
I've been practically attacked by a group of vegans over the weekend ... Saying that Eating meat, fish ,chicken will eventually give you cancer !!!!!
They also claim that large animals like Rhino ,Elephants and Gorillas are big because the don't eat meat" they get all their proteins from pure vegetables... So Humans don't need to eat meat either to be big and strong ...
Is Soy a better protein source than beef chicken and fish ???
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Soy is an estrogen mimicker.
Total garbage... unless you're Bruce Jenner.
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Haven't watched it , but I heard numerous " Gurus" Claiming that soy is better than animal protein thanks to this flick
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Where are the Vegan GetBiggers??
Is Soy a better protein source than beef chicken and fish ???
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Soy is for liberals that want titties. Be a man and have some beef :D
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Soy is an estrogen mimicker.
Total garbage... unless you're Bruce Jenner.
The scientific community is very divided on this, but I would take no risk and ditch the soy as much as possible.
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Rice protein is da bess.
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Every time I use whey isolate or concentrate I get the runs and a stomach ache. Tried a lot of protein and found a combo of pea, hemp and rice protein is very easy on the stomach. I use lactose free milk and yogurt to compliment. Never tried soy because of conflicting information on the internet that it increases estrogen. I wonder if it's true and maybe I should try it but for now what I use is working.
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Non GMO Fermented Soy like Tempeh and Miso are amazing for you, also for bodybuilders who are all about raising their IGF levels, Soy Protein isolate was shown to raise IGF more then any meat product or any dairy derived powder like Whey or Casein. Look at the cultures that Soy is a staple in their diet, the Japanese, particularly the Okinawans, they eat soy everyday and multiple times a day, and they have been ranked the healthiest people on the planet having the most centenarians and highest average lifespan. Those documentaries like What the Health, Forks over Knives, Fat Sick and Nearly Dead are real eye openers and reveal a lot about our food supply and all the toxic shit we put in our bodies.
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Soy is an estrogen mimicker.
Total garbage... unless you're Bruce Jenner.
Exactly.
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Non GMO Fermented Soy like Tempeh and Miso are amazing for you, also for bodybuilders who are all about raising their IGF levels, Soy Protein isolate was shown to raise IGF more then any meat product or any dairy derived powder like Whey or Casein. Look at the cultures that Soy is a staple in their diet, the Japanese, particularly the Okinawans, they eat soy everyday and multiple times a day, and they have been ranked the healthiest people on the planet having the most centenarians and highest average lifespan. Those documentaries like What the Health, Forks over Knives, Fat Sick and Nearly Dead are real eye openers and reveal a lot about our food supply and all the toxic shit we put in our bodies.
Torn about soy but your post gives me something to think about. I hear soy isolate doesn't raise estrogen in men then the next google search contradicts that.
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Torn about soy but your post gives me something to think about. I hear soy isolate doesn't raise estrogen in men then the next google search contradicts that.
I heard estrogen increases the risk of breast cancer in woman, that cancer cells do get stronger with estrogen, so based on that claim, Soy can be a promoter for cancer cells....yet vegans only trash meat for it , not soy .
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I heard estrogen increases the risk of breast cancer in woman, that cancer cells do get stronger with estrogen, so based on that claim, Soy can be a promoter for cancer cells....yet vegans only trash meat for it , not soy .
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There is way higher levels of estrogen in any beef or milk product than that of soy, cattle are injected with tons of hormones that we then eat that's the truth, how many Asian teen boys have gyno? Yet tons of American teen boys with bitch tits, also how many Asian women particularly Japanese die of breast cancer? Just think about it, eating a huge ass cow that has been pumped with hormones/antibiotics vs a plant grown from the ground, which one do you think will cause more harm to you?
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Non GMO Fermented Soy like Tempeh and Miso are amazing for you, also for bodybuilders who are all about raising their IGF levels, Soy Protein isolate was shown to raise IGF more then any meat product or any dairy derived powder like Whey or Casein. Look at the cultures that Soy is a staple in their diet, the Japanese, particularly the Okinawans, they eat soy everyday and multiple times a day, and they have been ranked the healthiest people on the planet having the most centenarians and highest average lifespan. Those documentaries like What the Health, Forks over Knives, Fat Sick and Nearly Dead are real eye openers and reveal a lot about our food supply and all the toxic shit we put in our bodies.
yeah a real staple ::)
"soy and other legumes (6% of total caloric intake"
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Children who are raised on vegan milk alternatives are shorter than normal kids.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/health/milk-children-height-study/index.html
Go ahead vegans, keep raising insecure manlets.
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Children who are raised on vegan milk alternatives are shorter than normal kids.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/health/milk-children-height-study/index.html
Go ahead vegans, keep raising insecure manlets.
Lee Priest never drank Soy milk growing up .
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how about a little bit of everything all in moderation-diet
just an idea.
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how about a little bit of everything all in moderation-diet
just an idea.
This. Unless you're stuck in the middle of nowhere, with no access to diverse food, a good diet should be about balance.
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According to the authors of "The Okinawa Diet Plan," breakfast for a person who is used to a traditional Western diet but is interested in eating more like an Okinawan native could be blueberry pancakes prepared with calcium-fortified soy milk, whole grain flour, fresh blueberries and free-range eggs high in omega-3 fatty acids. This meal provides protein, nutrients and fiber, as well as a high amount of antioxidants. Pair the pancakes with green tea, which is a beverage that's sugar-free and dense and has disease-preventing phytochemicals like flavonoids and catechins.
Lunch on the Okinawa diet might consist of stir-fried tofu, a steamed vegetable such as asparagus, a baked sweet potato and salad. Dark green leafy vegetables like asparagus, broccoli and boy choy feature largely in the plan, as do brightly colored vegetables such as native Okinawan sweet potatoes that are rich in antioxidants and vitamin E. Seaweed, an excellent source of a variety of vitamins and minerals, is commonly cooked along with tofu or added to salads.
While you're on the Okinawa diet, dinner could begin with a bowl of miso soup, a broth flavored with seaweed-based dashi and often containing cubed tofu and vegetables. The main entree might consist of shrimp or fish steamed with vegetables and served with whole-grain noodles. "The Guardian" writer Michael Booth reports that Okinawans typically eat at least three servings of low-fat fish each week. While their diet includes plenty of white rice, Okinawans also consume a large amount of whole grains, especially in the form of buckwheat noodles.
You won't eat a lot of sweet snacks on the Okinawa diet. A typical day's menu might feature a morning snack of fresh fruit, while the afternoon snack might be sticks of raw vegetables. The average Okinawan's diet contains far less sugar than their Western counterparts. When "The Guardian" reporter Justin McCurry interviewed two Japanese octogenarians in 2013, he found their only sweet tooth indulgence during snack time was an occasional mochi, or sweetened rice cake prepared from pounded glutinous rice.
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Children who are raised on vegan milk alternatives are shorter than normal kids.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/health/milk-children-height-study/index.html
Go ahead vegans, keep raising insecure manlets.
Exactly due to the hormones lol, cows milk is designed to grow a small calf into a 2,000 plus pound animal, what do you think this will do to a human? Humans have no reason to drink cows milk, and the calcium argument is ridiculous, Americans high the highest rate of osteoporosis, and yet we are the biggest consumers of cows milk on the planet, and 1 cup of Kale has more then the RDA for calcium.
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ill start on my okinawan diet as soon as my japanese chef is back from the holidays
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how about a little bit of everything all in moderation-diet
just an idea.
This. I'll pass on watching a movie made by vegan company owners trying to line their pockets by fear mongering without any factual evidence. It's very sad that the general population is too fat, lazy and stupid to do their own research and believe whatever is presented in front of their ugly faces.
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Soy is an incomplete protein much like many legumes.
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Soy is an incomplete protein much like many legumes.
Soybeans contain all of the essential amino acids necessary for human nutrition and have been grown and harvested for thousands of years. Populations with diets high in soy protein and low in animal protein have lower risks of prostate and breast cancers than other populations. Increasing dietary whole soy protein lowers levels of total cholesterol, low-density lipoproteins, and triglycerides; may improve menopausal hot flashes; and may help maintain bone density and decrease fractures in postmenopausal women. There are not enough data to make recommendations concerning soy intake in women with a history of breast cancer. The refined soy isoflavone components, when given as supplements, have not yielded the same results as increasing dietary whole soy protein. Overall, soy is well tolerated, and because it is a complete source of protein shown to lower cholesterol, it is recommended as a dietary substitution for higher-fat animal products
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Children who are raised on vegan milk alternatives are shorter than normal kids.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/health/milk-children-height-study/index.html
Go ahead vegans, keep raising insecure manlets.
height is genetic
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height is genetic
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Not 100%
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Soybeans contain all of the essential amino acids necessary for human nutrition and have been grown and harvested for thousands of years. Populations with diets high in soy protein and low in animal protein have lower risks of prostate and breast cancers than other populations. Increasing dietary whole soy protein lowers levels of total cholesterol, low-density lipoproteins, and triglycerides; may improve menopausal hot flashes; and may help maintain bone density and decrease fractures in postmenopausal women. There are not enough data to make recommendations concerning soy intake in women with a history of breast cancer. The refined soy isoflavone components, when given as supplements, have not yielded the same results as increasing dietary whole soy protein. Overall, soy is well tolerated, and because it is a complete source of protein shown to lower cholesterol, it is recommended as a dietary substitution for higher-fat animal products
This.
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There is way higher levels of estrogen in any beef or milk product than that of soy,
It's a myth that beef or milk contain lots of hormones, the levels are so tiny that they are completely inconsequential.
If kids have gyno it's almost always because they are fat.
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It's a myth that beef or milk contain lots of hormones, the levels are so tiny that they are completely inconsequential.
If kids have gyno it's almost always because they are fat.
So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.
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they must eat a lot of meat in the arab world if hairy armpits is considered hard evidence.
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Not 100%
so how much?
if mom is 5'2, dad is 5'7 what is the kids height potential?
healthy boys are always taller than mom and height tends to come from mom's side, but how much taller could the kid be if he used animal protein instead of soy?
if the kid ends up taller than 5'7 i'd say there's a good chance mom had a taller male "friend"
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so how much?
if mom is 5'2, dad is 5'7 what is the kids height potential?
healthy boys are always taller than mom and height tends to come from mom's side, but how much taller could the kid be if he used animal protein instead of soy?
if the kid ends up taller than 5'7 i'd say there's a good chance mom had a taller male "friend"
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The only thing I'm saying is that someone's length is defined by more characteristics than just genetics. Our genes haven't evolved that much during the last century, yet we're taller than ever before. I have no clue if someone with a strict plant based diet is longer/shorter than someone who's consuming animal proteins. This would be an interesting study, but maybe they already done is, duno.
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So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.
Caloric excess I think is to blame for the early puberty.
If hormones were causing early puberty there'd be tremendous problems earlier on, you would be seeing mustaches on 4 year old girls. But which hormones do you think are present in milk and meat, estrogens, androgens, peptides? If it were estrogens why would it cause androgenic effects in boys? If androgens, why big boobs on girls? There's growth hormone in milk but peptides are broken down by digestion.
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Yeah, and I think the earlier puberty (which is real) involves girls, not boys, and it appears males are losing testosterone. Much of the chemical degradation we're now polluted with in this world, has broken down into estrogen-like matter.
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Caloric excess I think is to blame for the early puberty.
If hormones were causing early puberty there'd be tremendous problems earlier on, you would be seeing mustaches on 4 year old girls. But which hormones do you think are present in milk and meat, estrogens, androgens, peptides? If it were estrogens why would it cause androgenic effects in boys? If androgens, why big boobs on girls? There's growth hormone in milk but peptides are broken down by digestion.
First hit on google when I did a search on early puberty:
https://www.livescience.com/1824-truth-early-puberty.html
"... doctors say the likely cause, if any, is childhood obesity: That is, it's not what's in the food but food itself, and lots of it, in all it's fatty-sugary glory, coupled with inactivity."
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So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.
But is that the norm? Some kids have always gone through puberty way earlier then others. Some girls have always developed early. It's been like that forever. Have the averages changed that dramatically?
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So you're telling me kids in this country going through puberty prematurely is a coincidence? Young boys having facial hair/armpit hair as early as 12-13 years old, young girls having fully developed breasts again at 13 is normal? Come on man, the hormones in the meat are definitely an issue.
Japanese women breasts have been getting larger due to higher protein (meat?) Westernized diets. But breast cancer percentages have risen as well.
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height most likely isnt dependent on just one or two genes fuckwits
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Yeah, and I think the earlier puberty (which is real) involves girls, not boys, and it appears males are losing testosterone. Much of the chemical degradation we're now polluted with in this world, has broken down into estrogen-like matter.
Super Male Vitality could be a life saver in such an environment.
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Yeah, and I think the earlier puberty (which is real) involves girls, not boys, and it appears males are losing testosterone. Much of the chemical degradation we're now polluted with in this world, has broken down into estrogen-like matter.
QFT.
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There is a problem written about every single food on the internet. Even broccoli has been called carcinogenic and a thyroid problem. For every guru supporting a food there is a guru against it. Just experiment and see what agrees with you, and don't listen to anyone else.
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There is a problem written about every single food on the internet. Even broccoli has been called carcinogenic and a thyroid problem. For every guru supporting a food there is a guru against it. Just experiment and see what agrees with you, and don't listen to anyone else.
Finally someone with common sense. You can find any study to support anything you want to believe. Soy is not the best protein in the world. However you aren't going to grow tits or become a women if you take it.
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Japanese women breasts have been getting larger due to higher protein (meat?) Westernized diets. But breast cancer percentages have risen as well.
Yes these Asian countries are starting to see their population experiencing heart disease, diabetes, and cancers that have never been problematic in the past, due to our franchises invading their countries. Places like McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, BurgerKing, Dunkin Doughnuts have all been implanted in theses countries and the people really like the food, these franchises are super popular in Asia. Sad stuff.
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Yes these Asian countries are starting to see their population experiencing heart disease, diabetes, and cancers that have never been problematic in the past, due to our franchises invading their countries. Places like McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, BurgerKing, Dunkin Doughnuts have all been implanted in theses countries and the people really like the food, these franchises are super popular in Asia. Sad stuff.
You make it sound like fast food chains are selling toxics.
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You make it sound like fast food chains are selling toxics.
Um, they are, they cook their food in hydrogenated oils.
It turns out that there are 17 ingredients in MickeyD’s French fries! They contain:
-Potatoes (whew! I’m glad that was the first ingredient)
-Canola oil—Most canola oil is now genetically-modified
-Hydrogenated soybean oil—Like canola oil, most soybean oil is now extracted from genetically-modified soybeans. Plus the hydrogenation process makes the oil more saturated than it would be in its natural form, and unhealthy.
-Safflower oil—Believed to be a healthier cooking oil, most safflower is unfortunately heated to high temperatures long before it is ever used for cooking, causing it to be chemically-altered from the heat, and a source of inflammation in the body when that is the case.
-”Natural flavor”—McDonald’s natural flavor is apparently obtained from a vegetable source, but the “natural” moniker means nothing since it can even potentially contain the nerve- and brain-toxin monosodium glutamate (MSG).
-Dextrose—a type of sugar.
-Sodium acid pyrophosphate—This ingredient is apparently used to maintain the color of the fries. On the chemical industry’s own safety data sheets it is listed as hazardous for ingestion, which is exactly what you’ll be doing if you eat those French fries.
-Citric acid—used as a preservative.
-Dimethylpolysiloxane—used as an anti-foaming agent, this industrial chemical is typically used in caulking and sealants and comes with a list of safety concerns.
-Vegetable oil for frying, which is a blend of 7 ingredients, including: canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with tert-butylhydroquinone (TBHQ), citric acid, and dimethylpolysiloxane. We discussed most of these ingredients above. Corn oil, like its canola and soybean counterparts is now primarily made of genetically-modified corn.
TBHQ is a petroleum-based, butane-like (yes, that’s lighter fluid!) ingredient used as a preservative. It has been linked to asthma, skin conditions, hormone disruption, and in long-term animal studies to cancer and damage to DNA.
Contrary to what McDonald’s may claim in its slogan, I’m NOT lovin’ it!
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There is a problem written about every single food on the internet. Even broccoli has been called carcinogenic and a thyroid problem. For every guru supporting a food there is a guru against it. Just experiment and see what agrees with you, and don't listen to anyone else.
truth
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height most likely isnt dependent on just one or two genes fuckwits
you're 6'6 how tall are your parents and relatives?
i bet there are no 5'6 guys in your family and it isn't because they ate a particular protein
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