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I thought they took 250mg of test and maybe one other like winstrol or deca
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I thought they took 250mg of test and maybe one other like winstrol or deca
Test was used but not even close to the doses they use now.
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How the hell he retained bold hairline, perfect skin tone, gyno free pecs? Genetics I guess, he started juicing age 15 or 16...
I am sure he easily took 50 mgs dbs a day for long streches a year.
Some drinks gallons of alcohol and lives ripe old age, he surely have a strong live...
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How the hell he retained bold hairline, perfect skin tone, gyno free pecs? Genetics I guess, he started juicing age 15 or 16...
I am sure he easily took 50 mgs dbs a day for long streches a year.
Some drinks gallons of alcohol and lives ripe old age, he surely have a strong live...
I was under the impression Arnie went full-bore with the drugs 3-4 months before the Mr O., then either stopped or drastically cut back the dosage after the contest (which is why he would deflate).
Besides the D-bol, I heard he took loads of Primobolan and later on, Parabolan. However, I don't think we'll ever know exactly what he took... all he admitted to taking was the D-bol.
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I was under the impression Arnie went full-bore with the drugs 3-4 months before the Mr O., then either stopped or drastically cut back the dosage after the contest (which is why he would deflate).
Besides the D-bol, I heard he took loads of Primobolan and later on, Parabolan. However, I don't think we'll ever know exactly what he took... all he admitted to taking D-bol.
he definitely came off for most of the year, lots of pics of him offseason looking very slim...
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So basically 100mg test a week? Ya right...
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How the fuck does anyone other than himself know that he took 50 D-Bol tabs per day ???
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How the hell he retained bold hairline, perfect skin tone, gyno free pecs? Genetics I guess, he started juicing age 15 or 16...
ive asked that 1000 times
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Test was used but not even close to the doses they use now.
I knew lots of guys that took that amount of D-Bol (3 tabs 5mg each per day) and got very strong and large on it. I recall guys were getting (I think) 1 shot a week of 1cc (200mg per cc) of testosterone a week. They looked healthy especially in comparison to these guys today. Maybe it was because the stuff was genuine and not some bathtub gin concoction.
They also periodically stopped and rested. None of this year 'round shit that goes on now and the truckloads of dope coursing through these people's bodies now is ridiculous. It's a veritable cornucopia of dope now and the hideously overstuffed bodies with poor skin tone and worse reflect that.
As for Arnold, only he knows what he took. Speculate away but there is what is known as an effective dose for every drug and to exceed that is to risk more than just coming in bloated. Arnold had too much at stake to waste his life in pursuit of his dreams. But again, only he knows what and how much he took.
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no matter what he took it would be hard to find even one person on this board who could outwork arnold at anything when he was working towards a goal, whether it be training for the O, making money, or getting laid
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no matter what he took it would be hard to find even one person on this board who could outwork arnold at anything when he was working towards a goal, whether it be training for the O, making money, or getting laid
he even breached Basiles security...
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no matter what he took it would be hard to find even one person on this board who could outwork arnold at anything when he was working towards a goal, whether it be training for the O, making money, or getting laid
I don't know...Given recent photographic proof of the sheer massivity of SF1900 I think it's safe to say that even the Oak would look like a sapling next to SF "The Chinese Golden Lantern" (hint: it's a tree) 1900.
Nah. Arnold is still Numero Uno.
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I knew lots of guys that took that amount of D-Bol (3 tabs 5mg each per day) and got very strong and large on it. I recall guys were getting (I think) 1 shot a week of 1cc (200mg per cc) of testosterone a week. They looked healthy especially in comparison to these guys today. Maybe it was because the stuff was genuine and not some bathtub gin concoction.
They also periodically stopped and rested. None of this year 'round shit that goes on now and the truckloads of dope coursing through these people's bodies now is ridiculous. It's a veritable cornucopia of dope now and the hideously overstuffed bodies with poor skin tone and worse reflect that.
As for Arnold, only he knows what he took. Speculate away but there is what is known as an effective dose for every drug and to exceed that is to risk more than just coming in bloated. Arnold had too much at stake to waste his life in pursuit of his dreams. But again, only he knows what and how much he took.
Good post.
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Four 5mg tabs of dboll and a shot of decca every 2 weeks was the standard in the late 70's and early 80's. That's what me and all the guys at the gym took and was good for 40lbs of new muscle in 6 months. I got to 230lbs at age 21 on that simple cycle. After that it was all down to the discipline of the diet to get ripped. No one used Test in the late 70's.
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I knew lots of guys that took that amount of D-Bol (3 tabs 5mg each per day) and got very strong and large on it. I recall guys were getting (I think) 1 shot a week of 1cc (200mg per cc) of testosterone a week. They looked healthy especially in comparison to these guys today. Maybe it was because the stuff was genuine and not some bathtub gin concoction.
They also periodically stopped and rested. None of this year 'round shit that goes on now and the truckloads of dope coursing through these people's bodies now is ridiculous. It's a veritable cornucopia of dope now and the hideously overstuffed bodies with poor skin tone and worse reflect that.
As for Arnold, only he knows what he took. Speculate away but there is what is known as an effective dose for every drug and to exceed that is to risk more than just coming in bloated. Arnold had too much at stake to waste his life in pursuit of his dreams. But again, only he knows what and how much he took.
this fella also only used 15 mg of dbol per day and this pic was from the 60s, not 70s or 80s
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You guys have to remember that the stuff back then was pharmacutical grade and made in labs.....not the same shit that's being made in pseudo meth labs. 15mg of pure uncut pharmacutical grade legitimate Dianabol is strong as fuck!!!
In addition, bodybuilders trained a lot harder and practiced their craft more religiously than nowadays where athletes try to drug their way to a pro card ::)
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Four 5mg tabs of dboll and a shot of decca every 2 weeks was the standard in the late 70's and early 80's. That's what me and all the guys at the gym took and was good for 40lbs of new muscle in 6 months. I got to 230lbs at age 21 on that simple cycle. After that it was all down to the discipline of the diet to get ripped. No one used Test in the late 70's.
Seems like the same thing was going on at most hard core gyms back then. I won a big bench contest at 21 and would be considered natural now. I will assume you did basic free weight movements and went as heavy as possible. We used to have squat Saturdays for the powerlifters and we all pushed each other. The culture was awesome and not drug focused.
None of the bodybuilders used slin or gh including Jeff King.
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I knew lots of guys that took that amount of D-Bol (3 tabs 5mg each per day) and got very strong and large on it. I recall guys were getting (I think) 1 shot a week of 1cc (200mg per cc) of testosterone a week. They looked healthy especially in comparison to these guys today. Maybe it was because the stuff was genuine and not some bathtub gin concoction.
They also periodically stopped and rested. None of this year 'round shit that goes on now and the truckloads of dope coursing through these people's bodies now is ridiculous. It's a veritable cornucopia of dope now and the hideously overstuffed bodies with poor skin tone and worse reflect that.
As for Arnold, only he knows what he took. Speculate away but there is what is known as an effective dose for every drug and to exceed that is to risk more than just coming in bloated. Arnold had too much at stake to waste his life in pursuit of his dreams. But again, only he knows what and how much he took.
Yep, back the 70's-early 80's gear was legal (with script) and real. Back then my doc was Dr. Robert Kerr. I would have to go in once a week for a the test but the D-bol and Anavar was filled at their pharmacy. The D-bol was made by Ciba, little blue 5mg round pills and he had me just on 5mg day and I think 5mg (they were 2.5mg white football shaped) of Anavar. But back then thats was gear was real and potent now it's almost like a crap shoot with what you get.
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Yep, back the 70's-early 80's gear was legal (with script) and real. Back then my doc was Dr. Robert Kerr. I would have to go in once a week for a the test but the D-bol and Anavar was filled at their pharmacy. The D-bol was made by Ciba, little blue 5mg round pills and he had me just on 5mg day and I think 5mg (they were 2.5mg white football shaped) of Anavar. But back then thats was gear was real and potent now it's almost like a crap shoot with what you get.
Exactly. I never used but a close friend did in the late 70's and showed me his prescriptions. Went to a doctor regularly, got everything at a pharmacy. He was a powerlifter and went from 165 pounds to 205 in less than 6 months at a height of 5'7", and very lean. He used so little. The stuff was 100% pure than. Now it can be anything.
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You guys have to remember that the stuff back then was pharmacutical grade and made in labs.....not the same shit that's being made in pseudo meth labs. 15mg of pure uncut pharmacutical grade legitimate Dianabol is strong as fuck!!!
In addition, bodybuilders trained a lot harder and practiced their craft more religiously than nowadays where athletes try to drug their way to a pro card ::)
Eh, hate to break it to you, but ill put 15mg of my dbol up against 15mg of naps or pinks any day of the week.
Find a legit source and there is no difference.
You think ALL UGL is underdosed? That ain't the case.
New UGL comes out. Overdosed products when guys are used to underdozed shit.. Word spreads. Sales volume increases and all of a sudden its 20% dosed and ppl are used to it until that source goes out and re-launches under a dif name.
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;D
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no mater who you are 15mg a day wont do shit,, nomatter who you are no matter what it is,, no matter how small you are to begin with,,
yes some smaller fellas can getby on 30mg of legit dianabol like good ole Russians or snake and arrow original british dispensary anabols,, but they are small! lol a fella like Arnold was on good doses to fit his lean muscle and the size he wanted to be on stage,,
dianabol by the dozen tablets for short time easily,, you got to understand it ws and is hormones.. and it was not controlled any where in the world.. it was as simple as you get bananas and pine apples.. and stil is in many countries.. it stil is
some of the best sources in the world are from Greece and turkey and india and Portugal and all coutries where hormones seen as milk and honey,, who the fuck cares about hormones? all athletes are on hormones.. 99% of advance athletes are ON! hormones.. the other 1% are retired,,
Arnold was also on a lot more than just dianabol and used everything he could get along his career,, again everything was human grade or vet grade back then,, no fakes and no bunks,, it was like you going to eat in wendys Americana.. all square legit beef,,
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
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How the hell he retained bold hairline, perfect skin tone, gyno free pecs? Genetics I guess, he started juicing age 15 or 16...
I am sure he easily took 50 mgs dbs a day for long streches a year.
Some drinks gallons of alcohol and lives ripe old age, he surely have a strong live...
Unlikely.
He probably started with gear at age 18 or 19. Easy to see on photos of him at those ages
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How the fuck does anyone other than himself know that he took 50 D-Bol tabs per day ???
It was quite a small group of builders back then, and very little money in the "sport"
Ric Drasin knows what the others took, and I think they all knew what the guys they trained with every day were using
(The number of drugs available also was limited probably, and luckily they weren't into GH, insulin, diuretics, PMMA, synthol and veterinary stuff either)
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Eh, hate to break it to you, but ill put 15mg of my dbol up against 15mg of naps or pinks any day of the week.
Find a legit source and there is no difference.
You think ALL UGL is underdosed? That ain't the case.
New UGL comes out. Overdosed products when guys are used to underdozed shit.. Word spreads. Sales volume increases and all of a sudden its 20% dosed and ppl are used to it until that source goes out and re-launches under a dif name.
when you check the lab tests site online you will see that quite a few that passed the test had what the said or even a bit more
a few were underdosed like the drol i had from malay tiger, it tested out at 21 not 50
MOTHERFUCKERS
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It was quite a small group of builders back then, and very little money in the "sport"
Ric Drasin knows what the others took, and I think they all knew what the guys they trained with every day were using
(The number of drugs available also was limited probably, and luckily they weren't into GH, insulin, diuretics, PMMA, synthol and veterinary stuff either)
Ric Drasin did gay porn to pay for it...or so i read :-X
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Ric Drasin did gay porn to pay for it...or so i read :-X
alot of these guys did weird shit
Dr. BLAKLEY told me that Sonny Schimdt should have places higher than he did and the reason he didnt ia because he didnt do the special favors for the creepy judges :-X
when he told me that i said "no way man, i dont believe it" and he replied "come on Smoooove, you really arent that naive are you" and laughed in my face
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Off season Deca and Dbol, on season Primobolan and anavar. Some took the old anapolan Mentzer Viator, others couldn't get rid of the bloat.
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alot of these guys did weird shit
Dr. BLAKLEY told me that Sonny Schimdt should have places higher than he did and the reason he didnt ia because he didnt do the special favors for the creepy judges :-X
when he told me that i said "no way man, i dont believe it" and he replied "come on Smoooove, you really arent that naive are you" and laughed in my face
could believe it dj.
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Off season Deca and Dbol, on season Primobolan and anavar. Some took the old anapolan Mentzer Viator, others couldn't get rid of the bloat.
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no mater who you are 15mg a day wont do shit,, nomatter who you are no matter what it is,, no matter how small you are to begin with,,
yes some smaller fellas can getby on 30mg of legit dianabol like good ole Russians or snake and arrow original british dispensary anabols,, but they are small! lol a fella like Arnold was on good doses to fit his lean muscle and the size he wanted to be on stage,,
dianabol by the dozen tablets for short time easily,, you got to understand it ws and is hormones.. and it was not controlled any where in the world.. it was as simple as you get bananas and pine apples.. and stil is in many countries.. it stil is
some of the best sources in the world are from Greece and turkey and india and Portugal and all coutries where hormones seen as milk and honey,, who the fuck cares about hormones? all athletes are on hormones.. 99% of advance athletes are ON! hormones.. the other 1% are retired,,
Arnold was also on a lot more than just dianabol and used everything he could get along his career,, again everything was human grade or vet grade back then,, no fakes and no bunks,, it was like you going to eat in wendys Americana.. all square legit beef,,
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
You can only get legit hormones with a prescription in Portugal. And steroids are demonized overhere too. The only legit dianabol source i knew, 10 years ago, was naposim, from Romenia.
And yes, 3 naposim a day only (15mg), gave me good results.
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2 years ago I purchased raws and took 500 mg of test a week and that's it. Test levels were 9 times higher then the highest average male after doing bloodwork.
Are you guys seriously suggesting that only one shot of Deca a week or a couple of dbol a day raised hormone levels higher then this back in the day? or that the Chinese can synthesize good test enanthate but can't make good dbol? Please.
I find that hard to believe considering even today's legit pharma grade testosterone doesn't do that.
All this bathtub steroids talk sounds retarded. I think it has more.to do with being a hyper responder and training for years and years starting at a young age rather then the quality and the fact that some of these guys took way more then they even want to admit to themselves.
look at how the doses change from year to year from these guys mouths. one day it's natural or it's hardly anything, the next interview it's a bit more then last time.
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Eh, hate to break it to you, but ill put 15mg of my dbol up against 15mg of naps or pinks any day of the week.
Find a legit source and there is no difference.
You think ALL UGL is underdosed? That ain't the case.
New UGL comes out. Overdosed products when guys are used to underdozed shit.. Word spreads. Sales volume increases and all of a sudden its 20% dosed and ppl are used to it until that source goes out and re-launches under a dif name.
Something I actually agree with you on. The gear back then wasn't some magic unicorn shit compared to the good stuff that's out there now. lab tests prove that time and time again.
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You guys have to remember that the stuff back then was pharmacutical grade and made in labs.....not the same shit that's being made in pseudo meth labs. 15mg of pure uncut pharmacutical grade legitimate Dianabol is strong as fuck!!!
In addition, bodybuilders trained a lot harder and practiced their craft more religiously than nowadays where athletes try to drug their way to a pro card ::)
Yes pharma grade was the shit. I used legit methandrostelone dbol from russia and 2 amps of sustanon a week and got up to 200kg bench / 450 at age 19. But still you can find awesome shit now. Its getting old with the Good Old Days dramatics sometime...
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2 years ago I purchased raws and took 500 mg of test a week and that's it. Test levels were 9 times higher then the highest average male after doing bloodwork.
Are you guys seriously suggesting that only one shot of Deca a week or a couple of dbol a day raised hormone levels higher then this back in the day? or that the Chinese can synthesize good test enanthate but can't make good dbol? Please.
I find that hard to believe considering even today's legit pharma grade testosterone doesn't do that.
All this bathtub steroids talk sounds retarded. I think it has more.to do with being a hyper responder and training for years and years starting at a young age rather then the quality and the fact that some of these guys took way more then they even want to admit to themselves.
look at how the doses change from year to year from these guys mouth. one day it's natural or it's hardly anything the next interview it's a bit more then last time.
Yep, it is verified through testing that some overdose their products. They were either mislabeling back then or taking waaaaay more then what they said. I lean towards the latter considering what guys like Grymkowski, Aviator, etc. have admitted. They have no reason to lie in that way. It doesn't portray them any better. They lying goes the opposite way. Those guys were of similar size to a lot of guys today (just without the gh/insulin).
Heck, we have medical studies today on test, deca that don't produce the results that are being claimed by people back then. Either no doseage control in the med industry back then or lying.
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Ric Drasin did gay porn to pay for it...or so i read :-X
His name with some old video isn't evidence imo. Where are the vids that really prove it? Seems like it was made to show builders pretending to have sex, not actually doing it
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This is not true, my friend lived with Arnold in 69 and gave him the famous blue golden hurricane shorts he wore in pumping iron! It was told to me in one summer Arnold took a brown grocery bag full off gear and would take up to 100 dbol at once. He had a huge glass cookie jar full of dbol on his kitchen counter and would take a handful of up to 100 at one time.
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His name with some old video isn't evidence imo. Where are the vids that really prove it? Seems like it was made to show builders pretending to have sex, not actually doing it
I think it was more than that... ;D was posted here a while back.
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His blowing smoke; i rememeber asking Buselmo about 'x' amount of doses in the 70s, he replied? do you actually believe that shit? his National coach was from the 70s, his like they abused well over the limit but found out at X amount of dose does more harm then good and this around the 1,5gram region per week.
15mg LOL.
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His blowing smoke; i rememeber asking Buselmo about 'x' amount of doses in the 70s, he replied? do you actually believe that shit? his National coach was from the 70s, his like they abused well over the limit but found out at X amount of dose does more harm then good and this around the 1,5gram region per week.
15mg LOL.
accrording to disgusted Mentzer took 2-3 grams of deca per week, not the 400 a week that he claimed
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Eh, hate to break it to you, but ill put 15mg of my dbol up against 15mg of naps or pinks any day of the week.
Find a legit source and there is no difference.
You think ALL UGL is underdosed? That ain't the case.
New UGL comes out. Overdosed products when guys are used to underdozed shit.. Word spreads. Sales volume increases and all of a sudden its 20% dosed and ppl are used to it until that source goes out and re-launches under a dif name.
Obviously you didn't read the second statement you dizzy mother fucker..... ::)
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You guys have to remember that the stuff back then was pharmacutical grade and made in labs.....not the same shit that's being made in pseudo meth labs. 15mg of pure uncut pharmacutical grade legitimate Dianabol is strong as fuck!!!
In addition, bodybuilders trained a lot harder and practiced their craft more religiously than nowadays where athletes try to drug their way to a pro card ::)
What the fuck would you know, you've never taken any steroids no matter what you say. Many guys these days train real hard with poundages that would break the old-timers backs. Arnold could squat 3 plates with piss poor form for a few reps. Nowadays you have pros who are literally teice as strong. Today natural teenage girls squat more than Arnold did.
There are literally tons of good dbol and other hormones made in China. I used plenty of pharma dbol, eg Akrihin and Naposim and Biobabol and several others. And Chinese UG is the same exact shit.
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What the fuck would you know, you've never taken any steroids no matter what you say. Many guys these days train real hard with poundages that would break the old-timers backs. Arnold could squat 3 plates with piss poor form for a few reps. Nowadays you have pros who are literally teice as strong. Today natural teenage girls squat more than Arnold did.
There are literally tons of good dbol and other hormones made in China. I used plenty of pharma dbol, eg Akrihin and Naposim and Biobabol and several others. And Chinese UG is the same exact shit.
and the current Mr O breezes through workouts using high reps and moderate poundages, same with Dexter Jackson, any one who wants longevity in bodybuilding has no business heaving around huge weights.
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Interesting replies in this thread.
People who've actually been around the sport any length of time know that some guys really did take very little compared to the mega doses even beginners get put on these days.
I recently had a friend do 200mg of masteron/week for 8 weeks. It was his second cycle and he has no interest in competing. Everyone told him he'd see zero benefit and needed to quadruple the dose and add more compounds, but instead he put 10lbs on in 8 weeks with no apparent fat/water accumulation, had no sides, no sex drive drop off, and retained about 6/7lbs even 2 months after the cycle despite being a naturally scrawny ecto.
The other thing you all seem to be forgetting is that 30/40 yrs ago natural test levels were a lot higher than they are now. It's probably reasonable speculation to suggest that whatever environmental problems are causing this might also negatively impact receptor sites. I know heavyweight guys who do everything right, take 4/5 times what I used to take when competing, and still look only like good juniors from the 1990s.
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Its hard to tell sometime if people lie or not. But my myself got up to 200kg bench / 450 on 5 x 5mg pharma grade russia dbol (methandrostenolone) and 500 mg sustanon as a 19 year Old. Another friend of mine won the light heavyweght junior nationals in bb with 250mg test and 200mg deca. Its not ALL drugs bros...
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This is not true, my friend lived with Arnold in 69 and gave him the famous blue golden hurricane shorts he wore in pumping iron! It was told to me in one summer Arnold took a brown grocery bag full off gear and would take up to 100 dbol at once. He had a huge glass cookie jar full of dbol on his kitchen counter and would take a handful of up to 100 at one time.
You repeated yourself twice and I seriously doubt that. His liver wouldn't have lasted very long.
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and the current Mr O breezes through workouts using high reps and moderate poundages, same with Dexter Jackson, any one who wants longevity in bodybuilding has no business heaving around huge weights.
What's smart is can be debated but saying no one trains hard, really exerting himselves, nowadays is bs. And it's not ether/or, you can do tons of drugs and train "hard".
One doesn't preclude the other.
Look at that Jordan Peters fella for example.
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I was fortunate enough to use the original French Parabolan, 76mg amps made by Negma. The stuff was pure magic... heavy weights seemed like styrofoam... pumps were fucking unreal... super high quality muscle gains... no bloat or water weight.
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What's smart is can be debated but saying no one trains hard, really exerting himselves, nowadays is bs. And it's not ether/or, you can do tons of drugs and train "hard".
One doesn't preclude the other.
Look at that Jordan Peters fella for example.
I train hard, I dont feel the need to be heaving around huge poundages, I train smart, I cant be bothered going into it here but it involves a lot of constant tension and muscle contraction between sets.
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I was fortunate enough to use the original French Parabolan, 76mg amps made by Negma. The stuff was pure magic... heavy weights seemed like styrofoam... pumps were fucking unreal... super high quality muscle gains... no bloat or water weight.
yep, no one was taking 5gms a week of that .....
152mgs a week a week and I was an emotional wreak
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yep, no one was taking 5gms a week of that .....
152mgs a week a week and I was an emotional wreak
All I used was 1 amp per week. Nothing else. It was amazing shit. Too bad the original is not made anymore.
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All I used was 1 amp per week. Nothing else. It was amazing shit. Too bad the original is not made anymore.
I used one, tried 2 but too much.... :'(
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I train hard, I dont feel the need to be heaving around huge poundages, I train smart, I cant be bothered going into it here but it involves a lot of constant tension and muscle contraction between sets.
I put hard in quotes because it means different things to different people.
At your age you aren't going to gain any new mass anyway so that way of training is smart, afterall it's only for maintaining.
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I train hard, I dont feel the need to be heaving around huge poundages, I train smart, I cant be bothered going into it here but it involves a lot of constant tension and muscle contraction between sets.
exactly how i train
we should train together baby :-*
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Its hard to tell sometime if people lie or not. But my myself got up to 200kg bench / 450 on 5 x 5mg pharma grade russia dbol (methandrostenolone) and 500 mg sustanon as a 19 year Old. Another friend of mine won the light heavyweght junior nationals in bb with 250mg test and 200mg deca. Its not ALL drugs bros...
str doesnt equal size
seems lower doses can give just as good str gains
in that 300 vs 600 test exp strength gains was bout thd same for both doses, but.... 600 gave much more muscle gains
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I benched double bodyweight doing 3 CIBA D-BOls perday !!
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When I was in rehab w/ Arnold, he brought his cookie jar and we were doing 100 pills at a time.
He was sort of a dick to everyone, making them guess how many pills were in the jar.
Skittles of piss peace...
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I benched double bodyweight doing 3 CIBA D-BOls perday !!
I did over 2x body weight no gear -As was into Powerlifting
Dumb me, Wish I'd been much more aware back then
might got a world record or a world championship.Oh well.
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I put hard in quotes because it means different things to different people.
At your age you aren't going to gain any new mass anyway so that way of training is smart, afterall it's only for maintaining.
my legs are coming on a bit and my backs improving...
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my legs are coming on a bit and my backs improving...
yes - last I saw they were.
keep it going.
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yes - last I saw they were.
keep it going.
close grip pulldowns are working well mate.....
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close grip pulldowns are working well mate.....
good to hear
we'll sort a sat or sunday out to train
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good to hear
we'll sort a sat or sunday out to train
sounds good mate....
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I did over 2x body weight no gear -As was into Powerlifting
Dumb me, Wish I'd been much more aware back then
might got a world record or a world championship.Oh well.
That`s an exceptional bench dude....props!!
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That`s an exceptional bench dude....props!!
my best was 255 @ 48 as a natty
now i bet i couldnt get 225 lulz
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https://fitnessvolt.com/17658/arnold-schwarzenegger-steroid-abuse-rich-piana-calum-von-moger-finding-motivation/
I thought they took 250mg of test and maybe one other like winstrol or deca
Any new lifting videos?? Your last set was impressive and inspirational
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That`s an exceptional bench dude....props!!
Thank you.
Squats & pressing / rowing all good movements for me
Deadlifting no so good at - my structure / biomechanics not ideal for that lift.
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Thank you.
Squats & pressing / rowing all good movements for me
Deadlifting no so good at - my structure / biomechanics not ideal for that lift.
not bad , but he is/was better than you 8)
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not bad , but he is/was better than you 8)
Was he / is he ? ....Good for Him.
You believe he was / is.
And so are plenty more.
Your point being..?
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Was he / is he ? ....Good for Him.
You believe he was / is.
And so are plenty more.
Your point being..?
just messing wit ya chief
all in good humor
And btw, humor is correct not humour
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https://fitnessvolt.com/17658/arnold-schwarzenegger-steroid-abuse-rich-piana-calum-von-moger-finding-motivation/
I thought they took 250mg of test and maybe one other like winstrol or deca
"Don't forget fellas ....EGO music ....
its all about ME "
WoooSHHHHHH BARRACUDA MODE FOREVER
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this fella also only used 15 mg of dbol per day and this pic was from the 60s, not 70s or 80s
Howorth possessed an excellent physique.
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Howorth possessed an excellent physique.
one of the best ever
tiny tiny narrow waist especially when compared to his wideass shoulders 8)
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Yep, back the 70's-early 80's gear was legal (with script) and real. Back then my doc was Dr. Robert Kerr. I would have to go in once a week for a the test but the D-bol and Anavar was filled at their pharmacy. The D-bol was made by Ciba, little blue 5mg round pills and he had me just on 5mg day and I think 5mg (they were 2.5mg white football shaped) of Anavar. But back then thats was gear was real and potent now it's almost like a crap shoot with what you get.
I agree. I watched my friends in the gym and that stuff worked. The packaging it came in often had the disclaimer, "Does not enhance athletic ability" or some such nonsense. We all laughed at that.
I watched them take it and get huge and strong and when they came off it was difficult for them to come back to earth, but they accepted that no one really knew what to expect from long term use and so they thought it best to "rest" from it. Their bodies always seemed to respond when they started again so maybe the receptor thing is true to a point. I did have a friend try to do too much of, I think it was Anavar? His urine got cloudy, he got sick and immediately stopped taking it. He got better and the rest of the time I trained at that gym, he never wanted to overdo anything again.
I think Robbie Robinson tried going year 'round and Muscle Builder/Power wrote up that he had a congenital heart condition but we knew it was just overuse catching up to him. I only spoke with him maybe once or twice and he was as nice as could be to a skinny kid. Same with Ken Waller and Franco.
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You can only get legit hormones with a prescription in Portugal. And steroids are demonized overhere too. The only legit dianabol source i knew, 10 years ago, was naposim, from Romenia.
And yes, 3 naposim a day only (15mg), gave me good results.
lol i dont know which Portugal you talking about.. but Portugal very easy everyting.. also spain.. also many other countrys.. also if you need prescription then you get prescription its shouldn't be issue,,
also naposim is fake,, i woudnt touch it today,, anything naposim since 2005 can be clenbuterol.. and ip fake it well enough for narocotic dealers like elite cripple to sell it,, but i assume he does everything in the bathtab of his so its even worse than buying bunk naposim unless ofcourse you take clenbuterol thinking its naposim and end up having heart attack..
this is why if its not gh15 approved then its utter rubbish garbage i woudnt touch it even with a 10 meter poll,,
gh15 approved
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lol i dont know which Portugal you talking about.. but Portugal very easy everyting.. also spain.. also many other countrys.. also if you need prescription then you get prescription its shouldn't be issue,,
also naposim is fake,, i woudnt touch it today,, anything naposim since 2005 can be clenbuterol.. and ip fake it well enough for narocotic dealers like elite cripple to sell it,, but i assume he does everything in the bathtab of his so its even worse than buying bunk naposim unless ofcourse you take clenbuterol thinking its naposim and end up having heart attack..
this is why if its not gh15 approved then its utter rubbish garbage i woudnt touch it even with a 10 meter poll,,
gh15 approved
The fuck I need a bathtub for? Lol do you even know what hoodflow is?
"Gh15 approved" = lose all your money on 100% bunk shit
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I used 1 amp of Negma with 1 drol back in the day. Stuff was crazy, was doing seated DB presses with 120's and I'm not strong.
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Obviously todays stuff has to be legit to a degree or no one would be getting busted if all it was bunk.
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https://fitnessvolt.com/17658/arnold-schwarzenegger-steroid-abuse-rich-piana-calum-von-moger-finding-motivation/
I thought they took 250mg of test and maybe one other like winstrol or deca
So he is a liar, or he did throw some number to the reporter to point out that in his era they use mainly oral hormones and less than these guys are using today?
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I benched double bodyweight doing 3 CIBA D-BOls perday !!
;) Still the absolute gold standard in the bench press.
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Obviously todays stuff has to be legit to a degree or no one would be getting busted if all it was bunk.
I have zero particulate in either my first (.45micron) or 2nd (.22micron) filters for injs.. And zero impurities for orals in liquid oral peg300 solutions... N my clients get results after coming to me after using other it is prior. (Meltdown tests with IR therm are always on despite PA telling me its not accurate and sending me a link to a piece of equipment I should use.. But haven't gotten around to getting one. Only like $220 or so)... So if my supplier has somehow figured out how to "cut" my raws with something that mixes PERFECTLY with the active ingredient, I gotta believe my stuff has always been legit all these years.
If someone thinks their Tren is undersized, shoot 200+mgs undiluted into a felt and see if you dont end up doubled over clutching your chest lol
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Tren is hard to fake completely. Yes it could be underdosed but most of what I have sampled seems potent. You have the cough as a sign which ES mentions,
though not everyone gets it for some reason. I only get a metallic taste plus every now and then pain in my throat. Though I did get a low level cough that lasted all day long on one cycle, could have been the tren. I've injected my stuff on others and the coughing fits seem very annoying, guys pouring sweat and coughing like crazy almost panicking gasping for air :D Then you have the mental effects, anxiety, slight paranoia, brutal nightmares, annoying night sweats. Llewellyn has said the Chinese raws may be like 98-99% pure but that's not something an end user is going to notice.
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Tren is hard to fake completely. Yes it could be underdosed but most of what I have sampled seems potent. You have the cough as a sign which ES mentions,
though not everyone gets it for some reason. I only get a metallic taste plus every now and then pain in my throat. Though I did get a low level cough that lasted all day long on one cycle, could have been the tren. I've injected my stuff on others and the coughing fits seem very annoying, guys pouring sweat and coughing like crazy almost panicking gasping for air :D Then you have the mental effects, anxiety, slight paranoia, brutal nightmares, annoying night sweats. Llewellyn has said the Chinese raws may be like 98-99% pure but that's not something an end user is going to notice.
A few years back I did four weeks of a tri-blend of tren/masteron and I think test and everytime I took a shot I there was an unbelievable burn and literally couldn't train for days because the pain was crippling. This why I won't use tren. I want to do the Nationals next year and know I need that but I can't handle that pain. Plus at my age I feel it would be too toxic..but, I was hard as hell.
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Tren is hard to fake completely. Yes it could be underdosed but most of what I have sampled seems potent. You have the cough as a sign which ES mentions,
though not everyone gets it for some reason. I only get a metallic taste plus every now and then pain in my throat. Though I did get a low level cough that lasted all day long on one cycle, could have been the tren. I've injected my stuff on others and the coughing fits seem very annoying, guys pouring sweat and coughing like crazy almost panicking gasping for air :D Then you have the mental effects, anxiety, slight paranoia, brutal nightmares, annoying night sweats. Llewellyn has said the Chinese raws may be like 98-99% pure but that's not something an end user is going to notice.
I've had guys complain they'd be doubled over on the floor about to call 911 and guys complain (same batch) that "150mg shotndidnt give me a cough"... Holy fuck as i write this I realize I've put off my Tren shot all week since Monday/Tuesday. Fucking hell I'm not gonna be shooting blanks anymore if I keep doing that. Reason I always put it off is fear of that fucking Tren cough where I'm doubled over, forehead on the floor, pouring sweat, about to crawl into the street so someone else calls 911 lol
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I've had guys complain they'd be doubled over on the floor about to call 911 and guys complain (same batch) that "150mg shotndidnt give me a cough"... Holy fuck as i write this I realize I've put off my Tren shot all week since Monday/Tuesday. Fucking hell I'm not gonna be shooting blanks anymore if I keep doing that. Reason I always put it off is fear of that fucking Tren cough where I'm doubled over, forehead on the floor, pouring sweat, about to crawl into the street so someone else calls 911 lol
I doubt if I would bother with it if that happened frequently.
It's very strange it never really happened to me. Some notice it's more frequrnt when shooting delts for example.
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A few years back I did four weeks of a tri-blend of tren/masteron and I think test and everytime I took a shot I there was an unbelievable burn and literally couldn't train for days because the pain was crippling. This why I won't use tren. I want to do the Nationals next year and know I need that but I can't handle that pain. Plus at my age I feel it would be too toxic..but, I was hard as hell.
Well made tren shouldn't cause any pain. Sounds like your stuff had very high solvents. I would avoid blends myself for various reasons. You also don't have to use a lot to get some benefits, could do 20mg a day of acetate. Tiny shot that shouldn't hurt, especially if you mix it with whatever else you're taking like test e or cyp. Don't think of it as toxic per se, think of it more like really potent per milligram.
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If you take low doses of tren would you still get tren cough? What would be considered an effective low dose of tren?
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If you take low doses of tren would you still get tren cough? What would be considered an effective low dose of tren?
Depends on what you've taken before. Let's say you never took anything before or are on only TRT. Then you could notice 10mg a day for example. Some guys who are on TRT or guys who have decided to stop any "real" cycles have started playing with such doses and they claim it's enough to see some hardening etc without any sides.
I mean guys definitely noticed one Negma Para a week and that was only 76mg which is only about 10mg/day.
Therapeutic dose for illnesses was one amp every other week.
10 or 20mg you could do subq and then you don't have worry about cough.
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10 or 20mg you could do subq and then you don't have worry about cough.
Very interesting.
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Depends on what you've taken before. Let's say you never took anything before or are on only TRT. Then you could notice 10mg a day for example. Some guys who are on TRT or guys who have decided to stop any "real" cycles have started playing with such doses and they claim it's enough to see some hardening etc without any sides.
I mean guys definitely noticed one Negma Para a week and that was only 76mg which is only about 10mg/day.
Therapeutic dose for illnesses was one amp every other week.
I'm on trt, never done a cycle, but looking to start with some small doses, my friend has tren, I was asking him about tren cough, he told me if the tren is clean you will experience very mild to no coughing. He said a decent dose is 150-300 for beginners. What do you experts think?
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A few years back I did four weeks of a tri-blend of tren/masteron and I think test and everytime I took a shot I there was an unbelievable burn and literally couldn't train for days because the pain was crippling. This why I won't use tren. I want to do the Nationals next year and know I need that but I can't handle that pain. Plus at my age I feel it would be too toxic..but, I was hard as hell.
were you and tiger injecting each other with it ???
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I'm on trt, never done a cycle, but looking to start with some small doses, my friend has tren, I was asking him about tren cough, he told me if the tren is clean you will experience very mild to no coughing. He said a decent dose is 150-300 for beginners. What do you experts think?
It has nothing to do with being clean, tren itself seems irritating to the lungs. You would definitely notice 150mg, 20 or so mg per day with an insulin needle. Easy.
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I only have to look at a bottle of Tren & I start feeling like I'm going to start coughing
got great results off the original Parabolan & sustanon years ago - no coughing back then
I get the coughs really bad - haven't used any tren in years :'( becuse of it
Never tried the SC route - maybe I will. :)
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were you and tiger injecting each other with it ???
You’re not really trying to bait into comparing my physique to yours are you? Lmao?
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He probably had no idea what Joe Weider was injecting into him.
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In an article entitled : Training with Arnold", the wrestler Ric Drasin wrote the following:
"Arnold and Franco would bring their supply from Europe. They had the best. Primobolan and dianabol was what they used at the time. I got all of that I needed from them. Franco would give me the shot as it was a preloaded needle about three in long! Scared the hell out of me. But, the results I got from their stuff was awesome. I blew up and got really hard on it."
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I've had guys complain they'd be doubled over on the floor about to call 911 and guys complain (same batch) that "150mg shotndidnt give me a cough"... Holy fuck as i write this I realize I've put off my Tren shot all week since Monday/Tuesday. Fucking hell I'm not gonna be shooting blanks anymore if I keep doing that. Reason I always put it off is fear of that fucking Tren cough where I'm doubled over, forehead on the floor, pouring sweat, about to crawl into the street so someone else calls 911 lol
That sounds awful. Why would you do that to yourself? You don't look any different from the next guy that trains, I don't see the point of putting yourself through torture.
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I used one, tried 2 but too much.... :'(
what year do you think they were taken off the market?
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no matter what he took it would be hard to find even one person on this board who could outwork arnold at anything when he was working towards a goal, whether it be training for the O, making money, or getting laid
By women or wieders friends ?
Wasn’t he into real estate recently after immigrating ? I’m sure he just willingly decided to ‘venture’ freely into the la county real estate market in the 70s ::) solely with his large income
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You’re not really trying to bait into comparing my physique to yours are you? Lmao?
I just think that its fucking hilarious that you think that golfers are athletic LULZ
this is athletic chief
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what year do you think they were taken off the market?
1997
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Obviously todays stuff has to be legit to a degree or no one would be getting busted if all it was bunk.
ofcourse some is legit.. there woudnt be bodybuild if it wasn't.. but the are levels..
I recived from omega back years ago in 2014 some poison rubbish trenbolona ace that would cripple an elephent and make him sick.. it was so bad I have no word to describe how bad it was eventhough I did scream and described it on gh15 before he got kicked out,,
there are also many china rubbish dealers who prey on athletes and sell the local sources of the west rubbish and junk poison and the results are the same
its not as easy as some think to get high quality hormones.. not easy at all,, it takes lots of random testing of specific individuals and they don't even know they are tested,, it takes knowing who is long timer and really does it for athletes and not just due to greediness and the number who do it for athletes shrink every year to smaller and smaller,,
nothing better than hands on testing,, random! hands on testing,,
no lab test no nada.. hands! on! random testing by advance bodybuild is the only way to determine and they key is RANDOM TESTING,, they can not know ever who test them and the testers must always pay full price like a regular junior they never heard of before and cant bribe
gh15 approved
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^^^ you mean chinese shitheads like this?
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By women or wieders friends ?
Wasn’t he into real estate recently after immigrating ? I’m sure he just willingly decided to ‘venture’ freely into the la county real estate market in the 70s ::) solely with his large income
He was a millionaire from real estate long before he made a mil from acting.