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Is it possible to get a good cardio workout without doing cardiovascular exercises? It appears that bodybuilders from 60s to 80's rarely relied on cardio to get in shape. They just decreased the rest between sets to get into shape. I assume the decreased rest between sets burned calories by giving them a good cardio workout. In essence, the cardio was built into the workouts. Do any getbiggers utilize this principle?
"The use of cardio exercise to get into shape was surprisingly nearly non-existent in the time period from the 1960’s to the 1980’s. As mentioned before, gyms were well equipped with barbells, dumbbells and heavy, basic machines. Cardiovascular equipment such as treadmills, stair masters and elliptical machines were not developed yet. Some gyms would have a couple stationary bikes included in the establishment but they were not nearly as comfortable or as advanced as the equipment that frequents health clubs today.
Bodybuilders got into shape for competitions by both adjusting their diets and increasing the intensity of the workout.The intensity of a workout was often adjusted by decreasing the amount of rest taken between sets. By training faster, bodybuilders would automatically train harder. Arnold was rumored to train with so many sets and so quickly that he would need three sets of training partners that he would alternate with workouts in order to keep up with him. With the decreased rest periods between sets and the increased volume of the workout, bodybuilders could get into top contest condition without the use of cardio."
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cardio built into weight training sessions
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cardio built into weight training sessions
Fly, Falcon, fly.
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I rarely saw guys on the couple bikes we had at the hard core gym I went to. One key factor was they didn't eat nearly as much as guys do now or use slin/gh. They never looked like water buffalo and often dieted on plain tuna. In this case faster, lighter workouts worked for them in getting into contest shape. There was no such diet as keto but that's what many did near contest time.
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I rarely saw guys on the couple bikes we had at the hard core gym I went to. One key factor was they didn't eat nearly as much as guys do now or use slin/gh. They never looked like water buffalo and often dieted on plain tuna. In this case faster, lighter workouts worked for them in getting into contest shape. There was no such diet as keto but that's what many did near contest time.
Yes, its strange how their is an explosion of diet fads. If people just ate less and worked out in this manner, they would lose weight. Do you think there would be any need to do cardio (treadmill, stairmasters, etc.) to lose weight, if one just ate less and did quicker workouts (lighter weight and resting less between sets)?
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Samir Banout claimed that he did zero cardio before winning the '83 Olympia.
Keep in mind, however, that those old school guys often trained 2 times a day for 2 hours per session.
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cardio sheds that water very noticeable wen calories are low
we need to discuss phd level shit by now not this cardio vs no cardio dead horse
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Samir Banout claimed that he did zero cardio before winning the '83 Olympia.
Keep in mind, however, that those old school guys often trained 2 times a day for 2 hours per session.
devout followers of samir claim his ways are key
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Yes, its strange how their is an explosion of diet fads. If people just ate less and worked out in this manner, they would lose weight. Do you think there would be any need to do cardio (treadmill, stairmasters, etc.) to lose weight, if one just ate less and did quicker workouts (lighter weight and resting less between sets)?
I have spinal issues so often do just circuits as a means to stay in shape/ drop weight/tighten up. That and calorie restriction works and you are in the gym far less time. One key with this is keeping your heart rate up as much as possible throughout the workout.
Oh with the internet everyone is a diet guru now. ::) Simplicity works.
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Some guys have had luck with it. That was a big thing with old style Crossfit, they ran it fast, so a lot of cardio was built in. As far as bodybuilding Gadja's PHA version of circuit training was very popular for a while -
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-philosophy-of-sequence-training-bob.html .
Also there is a a system called the Javorek Complexes that has gained a lot of favor in that regard.
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Is it possible to get a good cardio workout without doing cardiovascular exercises? It appears that bodybuilders from 60s to 80's rarely relied on cardio to get in shape. They just decreased the rest between sets to get into shape. I assume the decreased rest between sets burned calories by giving them a good cardio workout. In essence, the cardio was built into the workouts. Do any getbiggers utilize this principle?
"The use of cardio exercise to get into shape was surprisingly nearly non-existent in the time period from the 1960’s to the 1980’s. As mentioned before, gyms were well equipped with barbells, dumbbells and heavy, basic machines. Cardiovascular equipment such as treadmills, stair masters and elliptical machines were not developed yet. Some gyms would have a couple stationary bikes included in the establishment but they were not nearly as comfortable or as advanced as the equipment that frequents health clubs today.
Bodybuilders got into shape for competitions by both adjusting their diets and increasing the intensity of the workout.The intensity of a workout was often adjusted by decreasing the amount of rest taken between sets. By training faster, bodybuilders would automatically train harder. Arnold was rumored to train with so many sets and so quickly that he would need three sets of training partners that he would alternate with workouts in order to keep up with him. With the decreased rest periods between sets and the increased volume of the workout, bodybuilders could get into top contest condition without the use of cardio."
Fish and fucking water.
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Fish and fucking water.
I don't eat any seafood.
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Some guys have had luck with it. That was a big thing with old style Crossfit, they ran it fast, so a lot of cardio was built in. As far as bodybuilding Gadja's PHA version of circuit training was very popular for a while -
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-philosophy-of-sequence-training-bob.html .
Also there is a a system called the Javorek Complexes that has gained a lot of favor in that regard.
Interesting. I'll check out the link! Thanks!
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Big Lenny specifically speaks against combining cardio with weights!!!
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I don't eat any seafood.
My point really was back then there really was no "cardio". The only experience waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay in back the day (like the 70's) was warming up on a stationary bike and the only reason why I did that was because I was training with Bill Pearl. When we dieted for a show it was zero carbs, fish and a head of lettuce......all you can eat. On that note, no cardio needed.
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My point really was back then there really was no "cardio". The only experience waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back the day (like the 70's) was warming on a stationary bike and the only reason why I did that was because I was training with Bill Pearl. When we I dieted for a show it was zero carbs, fish and a head of lettuce......all you can eat. On that note, no cardio needed.
And you also didn't bulk up to some crazy weight and eat eight meals a day and blast slin/gh. No guys I trained with did that. You always knew a guy prepping because his breath smelled like bumble bee lol.
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Samir Banout claimed that he did zero cardio before winning the '83 Olympia.
Keep in mind, however, that those old school guys often trained 2 times a day for 2 hours per session.
yes but unlike you..they trained legs. :D you know full body
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If you train the old fashion California method of training with volume with short rest for two hours a day you're breathing like a race horse burning a ton of calories. Guys would do 4 to 6 sets an exercise and used a weight that could do a set every 30 seconds. At the end of doing something like 5 x 12 with 30 seconds or so of rest would be a brutal calorie burn in a 1.5 to 2 hour session. The old 20 sets a body part is rarely seen in the gym today.
East coast training back in the late 70's and early 80's was heavy weight with plenty of rest between sets to handle the weight. West coast was little rest between sets and moderate weight.
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This is a great topic. Thanks for getting it started.
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I rested little time between sets during my shoulder workout and was able to get my heart rate up and keep it up. But, definitely had to go lighter than usual.
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I rested little time between sets during my shoulder workout and was able to get my heart rate up and keep it up. But, definitely had to go lighter than usual.
If you maintain a pulse rate of over 65% of your maximum for at least 5 minutes, it doesn't matter what you do. Higher reps and going from set to set while your pulse is high is all you need. A pulse monitor comes in handy for this. I have been a competitive bicycle racer for years and in the off season simulated the aerobic demands doing circuit exercises for legs only.
As all the others have posted, if you are doing cardio for calorie burn, you are better off just sticking to a diet. The cardio is needed for overall cardiovascular fitness, and everyone should be doing it regularly. But it doesn't take much, as the researchers at McMaster University in Canada have proven: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/the-1-minute-workout-how-to-get-fit-in-60-seconds-mcmaster-study-1.3555420
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We don't need cardio, we're freaks.
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If you maintain a pulse rate of over 65% of your maximum for at least 5 minutes, it doesn't matter what you do. Higher reps and going from set to set while your pulse is high is all you need. A pulse monitor comes in handy for this. I have been a competitive bicycle racer for years and in the off season simulated the aerobic demands doing circuit exercises for legs only.
As all the others have posted, if you are doing cardio for calorie burn, you are better off just sticking to a diet. The cardio is needed for overall cardiovascular fitness, and everyone should be doing it regularly. But it doesn't take much, as the researchers at McMaster University in Canada have proven: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/the-1-minute-workout-how-to-get-fit-in-60-seconds-mcmaster-study-1.3555420
I want to do cardio for cardiovascular heatlh--for a good, strong heart. I am not too concerned with burning calories.
Well, it seems like I maintain a higher heart rate when I rest little time between sets.
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I don't eat any seafood.
Traitor to your race
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I rested little time between sets during my shoulder workout and was able to get my heart rate up and keep it up. But, definitely had to go lighter than usual.
You will get used to it as you do it more and it's surprising how many calories it burns with "afterburn". I've tried drop sets too and have to really take the weight down. Nice to mix it up though.
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You will get used to it as you do it more and it's surprising how many calories it burns with "afterburn". I've tried drop sets too and have to really take the weight down. Nice to mix it up though.
I did drop sets for side laterals.
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Barbell complexes at the end of your workout work well and send heart rate sky high
Using an empty Olympic barbell try doing
Squat x8
Squat to press x8
Clean and press x8
Barbell row x8
Deadlift x8
No rest barbell stays in hands till circuit is complete, rest 2 minutes between circuits reducing gradually to 30 seconds, do 4-5 circuits.
Try it these are a killer they work the heart and lungs hard
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Barbell complexes at the end of your workout work well and send heart rate sky high
Using an empty Olympic barbell try doing
Squat x8
Squat to press x8
Clean and press x8
Barbell row x8
Deadlift x8
No rest barbell stays in hands till circuit is complete, rest 2 minutes between circuits reducing gradually to 30 seconds, do 4-5 circuits.
Try it these are a killer they work the heart and lungs hard
Thanks! I dont squat because of a past double inguinal hernia, so Ill have to replace those!
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If you want to be shredded you have to do cardio. I run or swim fasted every morning and hit weights lunch or after work. 6 days a week sometimes 7. This allows me to have a flexible diet and stay ripped 365.
Try it but be disciplined on diet the first year from there you can slack on diet.
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If you want to be shredded you have to do cardio. I run or swim fasted every morning and hit weights lunch or after work. 6 days a week sometimes 7. This allows me to have a flexible diet and stay ripped 365.
Try it but be disciplined on diet the first year from there you can slack on diet.
Yes, training twice a day, everyday will help you to be shredded if you are disciplined in diet. Not rocket science.
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If you want to be shredded you have to do cardio. I run or swim fasted every morning and hit weights lunch or after work. 6 days a week sometimes 7. This allows me to have a flexible diet and stay ripped 365.
Try it but be disciplined on diet the first year from there you can slack on diet.
I am more concerned about heart health. I mean, its not that being shredded is bad; however, Id rather focus on cardio health. I assume being shredded will follow anyway. I can lose weight really easy. That is not a problem for me. I guess you can say I intermittent fast. My last meal is around 9 and I dont eat until about 12 the next day.
My eating patterns are fine. The majority of my food is vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, lentils; I eat meat 1-3x per week.
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I am more concerned about heart health. I mean, its not that being shredded is bad; however, Id rather focus on cardio health. I assume being shredded will follow anyway. I can lose weight really easy. That is not a problem for me. I guess you can say I intermittent fast. My last meal is around 9 and I dont eat until about 12 the next day.
My eating patterns are fine. The majority of my food is vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, lentils; I eat meat 1-3x per week.
Same shit dude. Slim waist = longevity. Since incorporating that regimen my bp has dropped and resting heart rate has dropped to 60. Try it. Less posting more work on heart/physique
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Same shit dude. Slim waist = longevity. Since incorporating that regimen my bp has dropped and resting heart rate has dropped to 60. Try it. Less posting more work on heart/physique
I train 6x per week already and do cardio 5x per week. :) :)
How much cardio do you do per workout? And what cardio machine do you use?
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If you want to be shredded you have to do cardio. I run or swim fasted every morning and hit weights lunch or after work. 6 days a week sometimes 7. This allows me to have a flexible diet and stay ripped 365.
Try it but be disciplined on diet the first year from there you can slack on diet.
u sit on your ass for "work" thus getting fat
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If you want to be shredded you have to do cardio. I run or swim fasted every morning and hit weights lunch or after work. 6 days a week sometimes 7. This allows me to have a flexible diet and stay ripped 365.
Try it but be disciplined on diet the first year from there you can slack on diet.
no you don't.
and there isn't anything scientific to back that statement up.
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Watch your diet and train using Super-Sets,Tri-Sets,and Giant-Sets........no cardio needed!!
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Is it possible to get a good cardio workout without doing cardiovascular exercises? It appears that bodybuilders from 60s to 80's rarely relied on cardio to get in shape. They just decreased the rest between sets to get into shape. I assume the decreased rest between sets burned calories by giving them a good cardio workout. In essence, the cardio was built into the workouts. Do any getbiggers utilize this principle?
"The use of cardio exercise to get into shape was surprisingly nearly non-existent in the time period from the 1960’s to the 1980’s. As mentioned before, gyms were well equipped with barbells, dumbbells and heavy, basic machines. Cardiovascular equipment such as treadmills, stair masters and elliptical machines were not developed yet. Some gyms would have a couple stationary bikes included in the establishment but they were not nearly as comfortable or as advanced as the equipment that frequents health clubs today.
Bodybuilders got into shape for competitions by both adjusting their diets and increasing the intensity of the workout.The intensity of a workout was often adjusted by decreasing the amount of rest taken between sets. By training faster, bodybuilders would automatically train harder. Arnold was rumored to train with so many sets and so quickly that he would need three sets of training partners that he would alternate with workouts in order to keep up with him. With the decreased rest periods between sets and the increased volume of the workout, bodybuilders could get into top contest condition without the use of cardio."
Stop being lazy my friend.
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no you don't.
and there isn't anything scientific to back that statement up.
Try going for a 3 mile run today at a good pace...come back & tell us if you need cardio or not. ;)
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Try going for a 3 mile run today at a good pace...come back & tell us if you need cardio or not. ;)
try and stay on point, its regarding fat loss and staying in condition.
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try and stay on point, its regarding fat loss and staying in condition.
cardio is condition bone head. however you have answered as i thought you would. no condition. pulling rubber bands :D
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cardio is condition bone head. however you have answered as i thought you would. no condition. pulling rubber bands :D
when we talk about bodybuilding we use the term condition to indicate body fat levels not cardio vascular condition.
As its bodybuilding we are talking about I will give you a pass as its unlikely you understand.
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when we talk about bodybuilding we use the term condition to indicate body fat levels not cardio vascular condition.
As its bodybuilding we are talking about I will give you a pass as its unlikely you understand.
have you read the thread ..you fucking Manks are dumb. people are talking about keeping their heart rate up to combine training & cardio.
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have you read the thread ..you fucking Manks are dumb. people are talking about keeping their heart rate up to combine training & cardio.
I quoted a post and went from there.
its called thread drift...
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Looks like dropping plates was correct, classic peadophile Donald smith from
Brief history of Donald
- talks tough and offers just about everyone on the forum violence while also being an anonymous coward to scared to post a picture.
- pictures of him are found and it turns out he is 160 years old and couldn’t fight sleep.
- stint in military prison then Booted out the army for engaging in peodophilia and beastality
- banned from getbig for exact same thing
I pointed that out a couple weeks ago when he bumped one of Donnys threads
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I quoted a post and went from there.
its called thread drift...
read the full thread next time..might help.
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Trying to "train cardio" (whatever that means) and "build muscle" (or whatever bodybuilders ostensibly aim at) in the same part of a training session is not good, imo. But the reality probably is, if you breathe hard you'll feel like you're "doing cardio," and so short rest times is enough to cure a bad conscience, at least for a while.
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Stop being lazy my friend.
I'm not lazy. I do cardio 5x per week.
I was just wondering how the old school lifters utilized this method to get in shape for a contest. Further, I figured it couldn't hurt to get your heart rate up while lifting. But I would never replace a cardio workout with this method of lifting.
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Try going for a 3 mile run today at a good pace...come back & tell us if you need cardio or not. ;)
You only need to run if you want to be a good runner.
And there is confusion in this thread that "cardio" means "fat loss". They aren't synonymous.
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You only need to run if you want to be a good runner.
And there is confusion in this thread that "cardio" means "fat loss". They aren't synonymous.
Well, I don't care about being a good runner. What would you suggest for a cardio workout (if not running)?
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I want to do cardio for cardiovascular heatlh--for a good, strong heart. I am not too concerned with burning calories.
Oh, I missed this post, didn't know what you really meant. Running is fine. Your first post was implying that "contest shape" is some cardio achievement.
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Oh, I missed this post, didn't know what you really meant. Running is fine.
Thanks :)
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Cardio is great for cardiovascular conditioning.
Its not "needed" to get shredded, but does help if one isnt restricting calories too much.
We all know some of the HIT / Arthur Jones type bodybuilders, who are ripped (and can get so for a contest) who are anti-cardio.
(Well, I know a bunch at least).
I think everyone is right here, it burns calories, it gets you in shape, but definitely not "needed" if one wants to get ripped.
(Tuna, water, salad) gets these people shredded. (And gear). ;)
Their heart-health may not be so good though.