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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dj181 on October 31, 2017, 03:01:48 AM
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huge, the evil genuis and an ifbb pro discuss
huge says run btw 200-600 mg.
pro says pros dont go over 1.2 grams TOPS and that they rely on slin and gh for size gains (very interesteng here bout slin and gh)
evil says the highest test doses are by powerliftera and they will go up to 3 grams
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This shit again...
From a previous post I made (I've been involved in BB for years, spent time with Pros and even exchanged wares with one or two)
Exactly. All these cycles, be it Choad/GH15/BFG/SecretPro follow a similar thread...
Eat as much as you can CONSISTANTLY, matching slin to carbs. Egg whites are you best friend.
2-3g test/week
As much tren as you can handle
1-2 other totally random products @ circa 1g/wk
As much GH as you can afford
Slin is more individual, but still equates to a fuck ton
Having chatted with high level amateurs and one or two pros, thats about it. No magic...
Now don't get me wrong come contest time there is all sorts of alchemy occurring, but to really 'off season' grow, K.I.S.S & up the dose
That's it!
Do you seriously think these self important, ego driven maniacs are going to admit they need a bath tub full of gear to be competitive....nah its the genetics and hard work mate!
Some people keep regurgitating the same shit in search for a secret that might actually make them grow...child like, really is...
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This shit again...
From a previous post I made (I've been involved in BB for years, spent time with Pros and even exchanged wares with one or two)
That's it!
Do you seriously think these self important, ego driven maniacs are going to admit they need a bath tub full of gear to be competitive....nah its the genetics and hard work mate!
Some people keep regurgitating the same shit in search for a secret that might actually make them grow...child like, really is...
thanks for that post dude, but its not really refuting what these dudes are saying, which os basically this....
gear only can only take you so far, to get to that super high level you got to rely on slin and gh
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Evo's post mimics what I've seen/heard the past decade or so.
The powerlifting stacks are basically inline with bodybuilding stacks amongst younger guys. Older guys maybe a 1/3 less, and many drop the tren, and swap it out for something softer.
Largest stack I've seen admitted to was Billy Mimnaugh circa 2014 -
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Cycle
5,000 test
1200 tren
1200 masterone
1000 deca
1000 anadrol
Proviron 200 a day
Arimidex-50 a day
T3-100 micrograms a day
Synthroid-150 micrograms a day
50 nolvadex
Also injecting melantan 2.
Will be adding anavar and winny as well as letrozole"
That lasted a while, before he busted out.
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^^^ according to doc huge and co powerlifters use much more test than bb
powerlifter-3 grams
bb-up to 1.2 grams
size comes from slin and gh
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That's not true. Bbers old cookie-cutter off-season combo of 4g test and 2g Deca has been used since the 90s.(along with the "use as much gh as you can afford). At least in socal/venice. Back when thenbroscience rule of thumb was still "use 2x the amount of test as you do Deca". The "gurus" had been pumping "4g is when things change". Cheapest, easiest way to get up there is with test.
Look At The Titus thread. Been saying for years he'd run 10g test alone and look At The numbers 8400-10500/wk depending on if it was 200 or 250/wk.
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Pin Cushion Of Peace
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Maybe it is just me, but I would be wary of taking advice from a guy who calls himself Dr Huge.
People tend to not use critical thinking when it comes to this shit and all monkey see monkey do mostly based on heresay and people making claims to what so and so used.
why not just start low and see how it goes from there
it is laughable also because there are guys here giving ear advice who look like shit in comparison to the gear they have taken, and dont get me started on those who have never even posted any kind of picture to back up their shit
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Have you considered building a natural base before exploring the idea of drugs?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=638525.0;attach=748342;image)
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That's not true. Bbers old cookie-cutter off-season combo of 4g test and 2g Deca has been used since the 90s.(along with the "use as much gh as you can afford). At least in socal/venice. Back when thenbroscience rule of thumb was still "use 2x the amount of test as you do Deca". The "gurus" had been pumping "4g is when things change". Cheapest, easiest way to get up there is with test.
Look At The Titus thread. Been saying for years he'd run 10g test alone and look At The numbers 8400-10500/wk depending on if it was 200 or 250/wk.
Are you implying 6 grams is the sweet spot? :D
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Have you considered building a natural base before exploring the idea of drugs?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=638525.0;attach=748342;image)
yeah i have
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Maybe it is just me, but I would be wary of taking advice from a guy who calls himself Dr Huge.
People tend to not use critical thinking when it comes to this shit and all monkey see monkey do mostly based on heresay and people making claims to what so and so used.
why not just start low and see how it goes from there
it is laughable also because there are guys here giving ear advice who look like shit in comparison to the gear they have taken, and dont get me started on those who have never even posted any kind of picture to back up their shit
but the thing is they dont just talk the talk but they walk the walk
doc huge does experiments on himself and posts up the results just like i do 8)
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I agree with the above poster 5 or so gram I actually think slin is way more important the gh also hav have to use slightly higher dosage of orals such as 100mg dbol for a rationale person 1 gram of test 300mg tren ace a week or 1 gram of test 50mg of dbol or your favorite oral
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We know that pros full of shit have came across to many cycles that echo the same scheme generally 3grams of test 2 grams what ever and orals you cannot get as big as possible with out orals
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Doc huge is an idiot and the pussy ifbb pro is also an idiot.standing there covered up and backwards and shaking his head constantly while listening to the “evil genius”I mean what is this junior high.Grow the fuck up.pussies.
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These threads do more harm than good. Here is the problem. What is the test of truth about anabolic drugs? Well, except for a few university studies there is no test. In the vacuum arises all manner of experts and gurus who have some experience using these drugs. There is no way to know or even check the information about what they disclose or sell. Therefore, everyone is in the dark here and this is a very risky business. Those who follow what others say are literally the blind following the blind.
In the seventies we were afraid of any side effects of Dianabol. I took 2 tablets a day for a couple of months on a few occasions and that was that. No way I was going to try more or do injectables. No thanks. No title or trophy was worth risking my health. Compare that with the cavalier attitude of so many bodybuilders today. Here on Getbig guys like DJ, who has almost no capacity to get large, are convinced they need this and that to look better. Goodness me what a bankrupt assembly of wannabes. Many keep posting here to gain some sort of validation for what they are doing. They take dangerous drugs to impress the Flotsam on Getbig. That really is evidence of an unsound mind.
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yeah i have
Lookin' GOOD Dj, keep it up!
your brother in Christ,
Lucky
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Lookin' GOOD Dj, keep it up!
your brother in Christ,
Lucky
thanks bro, qppreciate the kindness
oh and heres me from a little better angle
that shitstain basshole is trying to ridicule me, but that shit just came back in his face 😎
and no basshole shitstain im not trying to be massive
final goal is 175-80,@ 7%
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These threads do more harm than good. Here is the problem. What is the test of truth about anabolic drugs? Well, except for a few university studies there is no test. In the vacuum arises all manner of experts and gurus who have some experience using these drugs. There is no way to know or even check the information about what they disclose or sell. Therefore, everyone is in the dark here and this is a very risky business. Those who follow what others say are literally the blind following the blind.
In the seventies we were afraid of any side effects of Dianabol. I took 2 tablets a day for a couple of months on a few occasions and that was that. No way I was going to try more or do injectables. No thanks. No title or trophy was worth risking my health. Compare that with the cavalier attitude of so many bodybuilders today. Here on Getbig guys like DJ, who has almost no capacity to get large, are convinced they need this and that to look better. Goodness me what a bankrupt assembly of wannabes. Many keep posting here to gain some sort of validation for what they are doing. They take dangerous drugs to impress the Flotsam on Getbig. That really is evidence of an unsound mind.
How bout we speak from experience.
How bout steroids kill? Cause liver failure. Kidney failure. Etc...
Who's dying? Guys who use stims and painkillers and carry high bodyweights for 20-30yrs.
What kills kidneys? Blood pressure. How bout you control it instead of being purple.. High hematocrit levels etc..
Liver? LoL plenty of alcoholics pound booze for years before their livers fail.. And when most alcoholics stop their livers are fine. Guys freak out over the bro science that says anything above 150mg Anadrol per day will destroy your liver. Yet nobody takes fucking time to read the literature (like yourself). If an 80lb child in poor health is recommended 300-450mg/day Anadrol for a minimum of 6-9months, What the fuck is an otherwise healthy 220+lb bodybuilder worried about 150mg a day for 6-8weeks. (Think of some known heavy Anadrol users. Nasser, Levrone, Taylor, milos, how many are dead from liver issues or had to retire because of them? Nasser? Who used 5g test a week till he died years after he stopped competing? LoL I can Think of one guy who had liver issues and had to retire. Black guy from then80s.I forget his name.
Sure pj braun had issues. Who else? Dereck Anthony? You gonna use him as an example? Nevermind all the speedballs he was doing daily. Painkilllers, ghb, benzos countered by speed and coke. Lol great example. Steroids were probably keeping him alive for fucks sake.
Rich piana? Uncontroled blood pressure combined with speedballing painkillers and adderall. Nice example there as well.
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These threads do more harm than good. Here is the problem. What is the test of truth about anabolic drugs? Well, except for a few university studies there is no test. In the vacuum arises all manner of experts and gurus who have some experience using these drugs. There is no way to know or even check the information about what they disclose or sell. Therefore, everyone is in the dark here and this is a very risky business. Those who follow what others say are literally the blind following the blind.
In the seventies we were afraid of any side effects of Dianabol. I took 2 tablets a day for a couple of months on a few occasions and that was that. No way I was going to try more or do injectables. No thanks. No title or trophy was worth risking my health. Compare that with the cavalier attitude of so many bodybuilders today. Here on Getbig guys like DJ, who has almost no capacity to get large, are convinced they need this and that to look better. Goodness me what a bankrupt assembly of wannabes. Many keep posting here to gain some sort of validation for what they are doing. They take dangerous drugs to impress the Flotsam on Getbig. That really is evidence of an unsound mind.
Vince you incorrigible old woman, get the fuck off the internet and back to your knitting
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These threads do more harm than good. Here is the problem. What is the test of truth about anabolic drugs? Well, except for a few university studies there is no test. In the vacuum arises all manner of experts and gurus who have some experience using these drugs. There is no way to know or even check the information about what they disclose or sell. Therefore, everyone is in the dark here and this is a very risky business. Those who follow what others say are literally the blind following the blind.
In the seventies we were afraid of any side effects of Dianabol. I took 2 tablets a day for a couple of months on a few occasions and that was that. No way I was going to try more or do injectables. No thanks. No title or trophy was worth risking my health. Compare that with the cavalier attitude of so many bodybuilders today. Here on Getbig guys like DJ, who has almost no capacity to get large, are convinced they need this and that to look better. Goodness me what a bankrupt assembly of wannabes. Many keep posting here to gain some sort of validation for what they are doing. They take dangerous drugs to impress the Flotsam on Getbig. That really is evidence of an unsound mind.
Great post Vince. Thanks. These guys are morons.
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Vince you incorrigible old woman, get the fuck off the internet and back to your knitting
exactly this shitstain dont believe this is me lulz
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These threads do more harm than good. Here is the problem. What is the test of truth about anabolic drugs? Well, except for a few university studies there is no test. In the vacuum arises all manner of experts and gurus who have some experience using these drugs. There is no way to know or even check the information about what they disclose or sell. Therefore, everyone is in the dark here and this is a very risky business. Those who follow what others say are literally the blind following the blind.
In the seventies we were afraid of any side effects of Dianabol. I took 2 tablets a day for a couple of months on a few occasions and that was that. No way I was going to try more or do injectables. No thanks. No title or trophy was worth risking my health. Compare that with the cavalier attitude of so many bodybuilders today. Here on Getbig guys like DJ, who has almost no capacity to get large, are convinced they need this and that to look better. Goodness me what a bankrupt assembly of wannabes. Many keep posting here to gain some sort of validation for what they are doing. They take dangerous drugs to impress the Flotsam on Getbig. That really is evidence of an unsound mind.
You were even more stupid than the guys are today. You had no idea of the potential long term consequences of the Dianabol you were taking, nor of the Deca and other steroids others of your generation were using. They were fairly new and and the doctors didn't understand them either, yet they were scripting them to young kids like The Coach here, who was 15 when he started!
Today guys are doing coctails that everyone knows can be harmful. But the potential negative effects of steroids are much more well understood. Your generation was wholly ignorant which is shown by your comments on injectables - the idea that an injection must be more harmful and extreme than a couple of small tablets a day.
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You were even more stupid than the guys are today. You had no idea of the potential long term consequences of the Dianabol you were taking, nor of the Deca and other steroids others of your generation were using. They were fairly new and and the doctors didn't understand them either, yet they were scripting them to young kids like The Coach here, who was 15 when he started!
Today guys are doing coctails that everyone knows can be harmful. But the potential negative effects of steroids are much more well understood. Your generation was wholly ignorant which is shown by your comments on injectables - the idea that an injection must be more harmful and extreme than a couple of small tablets a day.
Lol. I don't like needles so no injectables were considered. There was some information available in 1970. I started training in 1958 so there was no rush to try steroids.
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Vince you incorrigible old woman, get the fuck off the internet and back to your knitting
Not a single Vinces gym member was on juice ::), right Basile ;)
And U never ever accepted Aussie coins from non natural bodybuilders ;)
Oh, hold on WWF (100% drugs free boys ) lifted metal once or twice at R. & V. fitness place :D
Senile old hypocrite ::)
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Vince do you still stand by you claim to have invented the linear bearing Smith Machine?
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*calls the local morgue and places order*
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"Uh, why the Jumbo sized casket... well, a friend of mine won't let go of his tricep machine."
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*calls the local morgue and places order*
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"Uh, why the Jumbo sized casket... well, a friend of mine won't let go of his tricep machine."
deca and primo are safe though
both of them have positive effects on the immune system 8)
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Vince do you still stand by you claim to have invented the linear bearing Smith Machine?
I started an engineering factory in 1981. It wasn't long before I enquired about linear bearings. They solved the friction problem with that machine. I also used them in leg presses, hack squat, moving seats for seated rows and as guides on every weight stack. Great solution, safe and elegant but very expensive. As far as I know I was the first manufacturer to use them in a Smith Machine. Early eighties.
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one thing about these so called dosages.
all these tons of drugs and the bodybuilders look worse than they did 2 decades ago. and most people trying these dosages, either in less/same/more quantities, are not even competitors
most guys(and girls) are wasting their time with the amount of gear they use compared to the look they achieve. And most train like c u n t s today.
But you know what? The biggest irony is how alot of guys here spout off like they are critical thinkers on most topics this board presents, yet when it comes to gear they are sheep and follow people who are typically genetic inferior, look like shit compared to the gear they are on, have never posted a pic etc etc etc.
Funny how people here laugh about the old now chubby man who has reached 75 years of age who in that post on the previous page did not do the usual and tell everyone drugs are bad, no he said that you guys play monkey see, monkey do based on the advices of a bunch of self proclaimed internet drug gurus. yet everyone automatically dismisses every single thing he ever says even when he is right because it is the cool thing to do here.
Most guys here who are on gear would pretty much achieve almost if not the same results with half the dose they are currently using, there is just that fine line between using gear to enhance the physical goals and using too much gear because of pure laziness. Anyone going over a gram a week who is not competing in any kind of competition is just wasting their time and money, let alone opening themselves up to doing more and more and/or never coming off, both of which will cause burnout in the end
And he is right in this instance
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^^^ they just want scale weight at any cost and that is what slin and gh give them
they are 40 pounds bigger than the 70-80s guys, but 20 of those pounds are in thier guts and the other 20 is on thier back legs and delts, thier arms and chest are not bigger than yesteryear fellas
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yeah i have
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=638523.0;attach=748372;image)
Iggy POP ....Is that you ?
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
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Iggy POP ....Is that you ?
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
no its not sp!c
btw your attempts at humor suckass fat boi
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Iggy POP ....Is that you ?
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5532bf6fe4b0c604b973cf8c/57096595f699bb7295ade509/5709659cf699bb7295ade539/1460233666072/Olaf%2BHeine%2Biggy%2Bpop.jpg)
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(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5532bf6fe4b0c604b973cf8c/57096595f699bb7295ade509/5709659cf699bb7295ade539/1460233666072/Olaf%2BHeine%2Biggy%2Bpop.jpg)
lulz
yea, close resemablence
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lulz
yea, close resemablence
Iggy wins the symmetry portion.
Pretty sure he'd pull more schmoes too - http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/48/11/16/481116dd5faf6926e5265a85684dbb08--iggy-pop-punkrock.jpg .
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Iggy wins the symmetry portion.
Pretty sure he'd pull more schmoes too - http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/48/11/16/481116dd5faf6926e5265a85684dbb08--iggy-pop-punkrock.jpg .
hope so
i got nothing below the pecs
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anyways, back to topic
test shouldnt be your main anabolic according to huge and co and 15 says only if you got gh in the blood
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test shouldnt be your main anabolic according to huge and co and 15 says only if you got gh in the blood
;D
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anyways, back to topic
test shouldnt be your main anabolic according to huge and co and 15 says only if you got gh in the blood
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thats what they say chief
and it and just doc huge that says it, coach trev and your bf guru ameen say it to
we know you like those brown guys blondie f@ggot
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thats what they say chief
and it and just doc huge that says it, coach trev and your bf guru ameen say it to
we know you like those brown guys blondie f@ggot
why do people gain on test with no GH?
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why do people gain on test with no GH?
i never did, did you?
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i never did, did you?
yes, my lean body mass has gone up 65lbs while i have been training....
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yes, my lean body mass has gone up 65lbs while i have been training....
What are your doses like Jeff? Are you just more gifted then everyone else?
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one thing about these so called dosages.
all these tons of drugs and the bodybuilders look worse than they did 2 decades ago. and most people trying these dosages, either in less/same/more quantities, are not even competitors
most guys(and girls) are wasting their time with the amount of gear they use compared to the look they achieve. And most train like c u n t s today.
But you know what? The biggest irony is how alot of guys here spout off like they are critical thinkers on most topics this board presents, yet when it comes to gear they are sheep and follow people who are typically genetic inferior, look like shit compared to the gear they are on, have never posted a pic etc etc etc.
Funny how people here laugh about the old now chubby man who has reached 75 years of age who in that post on the previous page did not do the usual and tell everyone drugs are bad, no he said that you guys play monkey see, monkey do based on the advices of a bunch of self proclaimed internet drug gurus. yet everyone automatically dismisses every single thing he ever says even when he is right because it is the cool thing to do here.
Most guys here who are on gear would pretty much achieve almost if not the same results with half the dose they are currently using, there is just that fine line between using gear to enhance the physical goals and using too much gear because of pure laziness. Anyone going over a gram a week who is not competing in any kind of competition is just wasting their time and money, let alone opening themselves up to doing more and more and/or never coming off, both of which will cause burnout in the end
And he is right in this instance
Excellent post right here!! ^
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i never did, did you?
Yes
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yes, my lean body mass has gone up 65lbs while i have been training....
Brutal gains - squats and oats pilgrim detected.
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Brutal gains - squats and oats pilgrim detected.
it took 32 years....
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yes, my lean body mass has gone up 65lbs while i have been training....
how do you know it was from test dildo?
you were taking lots of other compounds as well dummy
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yes, my lean body mass has gone up 65lbs while i have been training....
Me too. Test @ 1.5 g p/wk was a fantastic cycle for me...
If used in the right environment then high androgens are great for growth.
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Me too. Test @ 1.5 g p/wk was a fantastic cycle for me...
If used in the right environment then high androgens are great for growth.
with gh?
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how do you know it was from test dildo?
you were taking lots of other compounds as well dummy
As test is the foundation for most cycles, I'd say its pretty fair to attribute a proportion of his gains to the effects of...
Probably the most used compound...yet it doesnt work?!?! ::)
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with gh?
No. But as I said its about the right environment/timing.
Post show/diet rebounds for example.
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As test is the foundation for most cycles, I'd say its pretty fair to attribute a proportion of his gains to the effects of...
Probably the most used compound...yet it doesnt work?!?! ::)
didnt work for me, just made me a bloated pig
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didnt work for me, just made me a bloated pig
You clearly have shit genetic response to gear...Seriously. There may be issuse with your E conversion rates or the like. Clearly, just less of a man...
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You clearly have shit genetic response to gear...Seriously. There may be issuse with your E conversion rates or the like. Clearly, just less of a man...
sure thing
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You clearly have shit genetic response to gear...Seriously. There may be issuse with your E conversion rates or the like. Clearly, just less of a man...
btw chief
you are not able tk discourage me with your nasty words so give it up ans stop wasting your breathe
as i have said many many times already my real life experiences are much different than the shit you truds spew forth out of your fat ugly mouths 😚
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Test by itself has always worked great for me.
I think it's important to distinguish between real "growth" and the more temporary "perma-pump" (extra glycogen, rbc , intra muscular water retention etc.) that goes along with certain substances , higher dosing, orals, etc.
If I add Dbol to a cycle a layperson might think I've gained 20 pounds rather quickly...............I haven't, what I have is "swollen up" and the scale will reflect the drugs ability to enable one to hold more water and glycogen than before.
Even at 250 mg/wk test alone- a 200 # lifter who eats somewhat reasonably and knows how to be consistent with intelligent training can look the way many here use at least a gram to pull off.
Patience, time and consistency are really the trick.
Genetics play a role but unless they super suck, just test even at lower doses works really, really good for growth.
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I am not trying ot discourage you, merely enlighten you.
You have a terrible response to AAS, simple as that. You probably should consider the risk to reward ratio and rethink your usage.
You post the same picutres of an emaciated twink claiming fullness and roundness, yet in reality you share a body type with this guy...
Post a picture next to a decent sized normal bloke...
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You clearly have shit genetic response to gear...Seriously. There may be issuse with your E conversion rates or the like. Clearly, just less of a man.
DJ boasted that he would get high on gear then visit a whorehouse and service several of the women there. Well, most guys who visit prostitutes go home after they come. Makes me suspect that hapless Douglas might be a virgin. Would explain his desperation to get some recognition from the Flotsam here.
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DJ boasted that he would get high on gear then visit a whorehouse and service several of the women there. Well, most guys who visit prostitutes go home after they come. Makes me suspect that hapless Douglas might be a virgin. Would explain his desperation to get some recognition from the Flotsam here.[/color]
nice try fatty :D
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Test by itself has always worked great for me.
I think it's important to distinguish between real "growth" and the more temporary "perma-pump" (extra glycogen, rbc , intra muscular water retention etc.) that goes along with certain substances , higher dosing, orals, etc.
If I add Dbol to a cycle a layperson might think I've gained 20 pounds rather quickly...............I haven't, what I have is "swollen up" and the scale will reflect the drugs ability to enable one to hold more water and glycogen than before.
Even at 250 mg/wk test alone- a 200 # lifter who eats somewhat reasonably and knows how to be consistent with intelligent training can look the way many here use at least a gram to pull off.
Patience, time and consistency are really the trick.
Genetics play a role but unless they super suck, just test even at lower doses works really, really good for growth.
Dj is looking for a quick fix.
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DJ boasted that he would get high on gear then visit a whorehouse and service several of the women there. Well, most guys who visit prostitutes go home after they come. Makes me suspect that hapless Douglas might be a virgin. Would explain his desperation to get some recognition from the Flotsam here.
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2 and a half weeks in
this was starting point ching chong chang
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eat a dick 😘
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Epic shoulder width!
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2 and a half weeks in
this was starting point ching chong chang
Jesus man your on like 2-3 boards plastering those shitty pics everywhere. You look like an average natty.
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Jesus man your on like 2-3 boards plastering those shitty pics everywhere. You look like an average natty.
Links please so we can see how he gets shitted on. ;D
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Jesus man your on like 2-3 boards plastering those shitty pics everywhere. You look like an average natty.
thats a comparison pic shitstain
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Jesus man your on like 2-3 boards plastering those shitty pics everywhere. You look like an average natty.
Haha lol which other boards is he going to?
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Haha lol which other boards is he going to?
on 15s board and you arent welcome there chinaman as you have to bs accepted into da club
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HAHahaha
Gh15 must be fucking desperate if he accepts disabled twinks who will never build muscle .