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Xtreme Challenge Sports & Fitness Expo
August 11 & 12, 2006
University of Central Florida
Orlando Florida
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Ten pro cards? Jesus Christ!
Xtreme Challenge Sports & Fitness Expo
August 11 & 12, 2006
University of Central Florida
Orlando Florida
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Pro Division Inc. Amateur Men’s Bodybuilding
PRO QUALIFIER
10 PRO CARDS WILL BE AWARDED!!!
(top 2 in each weight class)
Prejudging Sat. 10:30 a.m. August 12, 2006
Finals Sat. 7:30 p.m. August 12, 2006
Open to all Male Bodybuilding Athletes
Any Federation or Organization cards not needed (Drug Tested)
Top Competitors from each weight class will compete in a Pose Down to determine the overall winner of the event. Overall winner recieves a trip to New York City to compete in Night of Champions September 15-16
OVERALL WINNERS WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO COMPETE IN
PRO DIVISION NIGHT OF CHANPIONS
September 15 & 16 2006 New York City
All new pro’s will be eligible to compete in any
PRO DIVISION INC. PRO EVENTS
PRO DIVISION INC.
Amateur Men’s Bodybuilding Qualifier classes
up to and including 175
over 175, up to and including 190
over 190, up to and including 205
over 205, up to and including 220
over 220
AMATEUR JUDGING CRITERIA
PRO DIVISION INC. QUALIFYING EVENTS
ELIGIBILITY
Any amateur athlete is eligible for entry into Pro Division Inc. qualifier. It is strongly advised, however; that unless you have done extremely well in other national or regional competitions held by any other amateur bodies to bypass our events until you have reached a stage of development adequate enough to be competitive at this level.
AMATEUR JUDGING CRITERIA AND PROCEDURE
Judging will be based upon the following:
Muscular Development
Symmetry
Proportion
Separation
Definition
Balance
Presentation
PROCEDURE
The athletes will be called on stage by class. Depending on the size of the class groups, 5 to 8 competitors will be compared in the four quarter turns. Additional comparisons may be requested by judges through the chief judge, until all judges are satisfied with their comparisons.
The athletes will then leave the stage and return one at a time to perform a 60 second routine. ( Xtreme Challenge Orlando routine will be at finals)
Mandatory Comparisons:
The athletes will return to the stage as a group. They will then be compared using 7 mandatory poses.
The 7 mandatory poses are:
Front Double Biceps
Front Lat Spread
Side Chest (from either side)
Rear Double Biceps
Rear Lat Spread
Hands Held Behind Head Abdominals and Legs
Standard Most Muscular Pose
The same procedure for comparisons will be used as in the four-quarter turns. When all judges are satisfied, each competitor will be placed in order by each individual judge from 1st to last. The competitor with the lowest score shall be declared the winner.
EACH CLASS WINNER shall be given a PRO CARD and will be eligible to compete on a Professional level in PRO DIVISIONS INC. COMPETITIONS.
Alternative Procedures:
There may be some events where thetop TWO placing in each weight class may qualify for their Pro-Card.
In some competitions there may be an alternate procedure where by the 60 second routine will be performed during the evening or second session of judging when the judges will enter their final scores.*
Some competitions may include an overall winner whose airfare and daily food allowance shall be a part of their victory package.
Contest Entry Fee $100.00
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Yup. Probably gonna check that out.
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with ten cards even i might get a pro card :D
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with ten cards even i might get a pro card :D
;D
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with ten cards even i might get a pro card :D
i doubt it. it's a drug tested event and most of you punks smoke too much pole :o
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Mike Arvilla, are you listening? 10 pro cards, bro. Maybe you should try for this show. :P
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Mike Arvilla, are you listening? 10 pro cards, bro. Maybe you should try for this show. :P
is that an attempt at being sarcastic?
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i doubt it. it's a drug tested event and most of you punks smoke too much pole :o
3 post and already posting a sexual comment ::)
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3 post and already posting a sexual comment ::)
He is already One with the ways of Getbig. ;D
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R U kiddin me !!!!! Drug tested???? How the hell is PDI gonna compete with IFBB frankenstiens??
Maybe Ill enter, I was gonna do the musclemania in san diego....but now????
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R U kiddin me !!!!! Drug tested???? How the hell is PDI gonna compete with IFBB frankenstiens??
Maybe Ill enter, I was gonna do the musclemania in san diego....but now????
Yeah, I know, I don't get it. Are they planning to drug test their shows? Maybe they are helping the DEA investigate the IFBB and they will finally bother taking down pro bodybuilding? ???
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;D
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;D
Thats funny sh%t Shawn ;D BTW. Getbig will now be a happy, nicer place for all. The clowns will leave soon, with newly snipped nuggets, and thrown into the feild of Haters. 8)
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Thats funny sh%t Shawn ;D BTW. Getbig will now be a happy, nicer place for all. The clowns will leave soon, with newly snipped nuggets, and thrown into the feild of Haters. 8)
Yay!!!
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Ten Pro Cards and three athletes..... one has a pro card .... Can I safely assume Rhino and Vinny are winning thier respective pro cards in Orlando ??
Then 240 recieves on too huh ?
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Contest Entry Fee $100.00 , that's some coin.
So does this mean that the PDI will be a "Natural Federation" or does Drug Tested mean for Diuretics and not AAS.....
240, since you are the Athlete's rep....speak on this
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That's not bad at all, actually. The NPC Nationals has a $125 entry fee, plus, you have to pay $75 for an NPC card every year to be able to compete in the organization.
*sigh*
The cost to be a competitor. :-\
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That's not bad at all, actually. The NPC Nationals has a $125 entry fee, plus, you have to pay $75 for an NPC card every year to be able to compete in the organization.
I guess it's been a while since I competed. I used to pay either $35 or $40 for an NPC card, but I did get that wonderful magazine ;D
So what about the drug testing....AAS, Diuretics...what exactly
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No drug testing in PDI.
In fact, if you're an athlete and you choose to us gear, you will live longer by joining the PDI - the research & medical plan is superb.
Pro athletes, contact Wayne or talk to Lee for details. You WILL know what kind of shape you're in and what danger you're in.
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Rob u going to this show???
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Rob u going to this show???
hell yea. You going? I actually spent this past weekend in Orlando. I love the place.
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hell yea. You going? I actually spent this past weekend in Orlando. I love the place.
yea ...........thinking about it
(never been ,it's only 2 months after my show on june 10th)
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Orlando is awesome. The drive sucks. Wayne, Jack, Vinny, and many others will be there. I plan on going and taking the digitial video camera to post a lot of it for getbig.
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Orlando is awesome. The drive sucks. Wayne, Jack, Vinny, and many others will be there. I plan on going and taking the digitial video camera to post a lot of it for getbig.
im sure i could get a "puddle jumper flight there"
well see.................if you compete in the PDI your finished as far as the NPC is concerned??
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im sure i could get a "puddle jumper flight there"
well see.................if you compete in the PDI your finished as far as the NPC is concerned??
You thinking about it? You're 40+. Your window is small already. The exposure you'd get from THE FIRST PDI AMATEUR QUALIFIER would be worth 100 times more than scuttlebutting around the NPC for the next 4 years.
Imagine the advantage that a personal trainer would have if he was able to say he competed in the first Mr Universe/Mr Olympia/etc.
Mike, IMO, you're never going to have the exposure, attention, coverage, and opportunity that you will have at that first PDI show. We all know that MD will be there. EVERY pro, mag, and sport celebrity will be there to be "seen" as more and more jump in the coming months.
Your alternative would be to enter a fall NPC show. With 30 people in the crowd. And zero coverage, on the boards, or in the mags. But you're a household name on getbig. This should is your chance to be a leader and establish yourself.
Do it, Mike.
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Isn't this the same promoter who hosted the IFBB Orlando Pro Show a few years back?? Wasn't there some rumor that he never paid Darrem Charles his money for winning? Whatever ever happened with that?
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240, Why do you want to see Mike Arvilla laughed at on-stage?
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Thats funny sh%t Shawn ;D BTW. Getbig will now be a happy, nicer place for all. The clowns will leave soon, with newly snipped nuggets, and thrown into the feild of Haters. 8)
I dont think so dipshit....
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240, Why do you want to see Mike Arvilla laughed at on-stage?
i have re-frained from posting my pics anywhere but my contest thread.................
but seeing as it's 11:16 at night and i STILL gotta go walk around the stupid neighborhood for 45 mins
for cardio,after working,training,cooking,eating,cooking all day,this is my pic ( 8 weeks out now)
im busting my ass................does it look like im gunna be laughed at on stage???
and the second pic is what i look like after i come home from cardio.................. . ;)
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i have re-frained from posting my pics anywhere but my contest thread.................
but seeing as it's 11:16 at night and i STILL gotta go walk around the stupid neighborhood for 45 mins
for cardio,after working,training,cooking,eating,cooking all day,this is my pic ( 8 weeks out now)
im busting my ass................does it look like im gunna be laughed at on stage???
fuck yeah it looks like you'll be laughed at. Listen bro, you got a whole lot of body fat on you in that pic. Once all the fat is gone, and you begin to lose water for the contest you're going to be one tiny little man. It's really not like me to put people down so I'll leave it at that. I wish you the best though. Good luck
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You thinking about it? You're 40+. Your window is small already. The exposure you'd get from THE FIRST PDI AMATEUR QUALIFIER would be worth 100 times more than scuttlebutting around the NPC for the next 4 years.
Imagine the advantage that a personal trainer would have if he was able to say he competed in the first Mr Universe/Mr Olympia/etc.
Mike, IMO, you're never going to have the exposure, attention, coverage, and opportunity that you will have at that first PDI show. We all know that MD will be there. EVERY pro, mag, and sport celebrity will be there to be "seen" as more and more jump in the coming months.
Your alternative would be to enter a fall NPC show. With 30 people in the crowd. And zero coverage, on the boards, or in the mags. But you're a household name on getbig. This should is your chance to be a leader and establish yourself.
Do it, Mike.
it be a blast to hang out with Jack (and youself), I'm committed to the June 10th West Palm Beach show
if i do well (BIG IF....I'm not delusional here) i could try and do the PDI show in AUG
(providing Larry and Laura would help me again,and if i had the finaces available,competing is fucking expensive!!!)
food for thought def!
(lol.... .if i come in dead last at the west palm we can pretty much rule out the PDI show)
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f**k yeah it looks like you'll be laughed at. Listen bro, you got a whole lot of body fat on you in that pic. Once all the fat is gone, and you begin to lose water for the contest you're going to be one tiny little man. It's really not like me to put people down so I'll leave it at that. I wish you the best though. Good luck
maybe your right bro..............(how the fuck do i know,i have never competed before)
all i can do is try my best ,and try to come in the best shape i possibly can
to be honest with you my biggest fear is "pulling a Vince goodrum"
I'm sure as shit not gunna say " yea mann the west palm beach is my show!!!!!"
well see what happens(if it goes well .PDI possibly)
if not....................l ol ill kill myself!
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maybe your right bro..............(how the f**k do i know,i have never competed before)
all i can do is try my best ,and try to come in the best shape i possibly can
to be honest with you my biggest fear is "pulling a Vince goodrum"
I'm sure as shit not gunna say " yea mann the west palm beach is my show!!!!!"
well see what happens(if it goes well .PDI possibly)
if not....................l ol ill kill myself!
Good attitude Mike. Just try your best and remember don't give yourself the oppurtunity to regret on cheating on the diet or not training as hard or not doing the cardio. And whatever happens ...happens. Good luck bro..I'll be there to see you in action and if you pull a Vince...I'll let you know..but I doubt it.
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Mike , Mad props to you, bro. Rip it up and let the cards fall where they may.
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I dont think so dipshit....
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Say that to my face, fattie, YOU = Meltdown :-*
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Good attitude Mike. Just try your best and remember don't give yourself the oppurtunity to regret on cheating on the diet or not training as hard or not doing the cardio. And whatever happens ...happens. Good luck bro..I'll be there to see you in action and if you pull a Vince...I'll let you know..but I doubt it.
thanks Jimmy (that means a lot to me right about now!)
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Mike , Mad props to you, bro. Rip it up and let the cards fall where they may.
will do!!!!
thanks...........
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i have re-frained from posting my pics anywhere but my contest thread.................
but seeing as it's 11:16 at night and i STILL gotta go walk around the stupid neighborhood for 45 mins
for cardio,after working,training,cooking,eating,cooking all day,this is my pic ( 8 weeks out now)
im busting my ass................does it look like im gunna be laughed at on stage???
and the second pic is what i look like after i come home from cardio.................. . ;)
Mike you look good man....everythings starting to look the way it should! Stay on it mate!
ps....i hope you didnt walk around the neighbourhood for 45mins dressed like that ;)
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damn, I might do this show although it's pretty f*cking expensive ($100). Top 2 from each weight class huh? I'd probably enter the up to 175 class.
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Isn't this the same promoter who hosted the IFBB Orlando Pro Show a few years back?? Wasn't there some rumor that he never paid Darrem Charles his money for winning? Whatever ever happened with that?
Yep. He still owes Darrem $10,000 and everyone else who placed in that horrible show has a few grand coming. From everyone who was there, that was the worst promoted show ever. Folding chairs on a flat floor and no numbers for the assigned seating, so everyone just punched it out over seats. No rest rooms for competitors or even towels for onstage! It was a very bad joke. And then he stiffed everyone. And now he's promoting for Wayne. It can't get much lower than this. That shows how low Wayne had to scrape the bottom of the toilet to get a promoter. Until Jim Goad pays the top 5 from the Orlando Pro what he owes them I have zero respect for him or Wayne DeMilia.
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Yep. He still owes Darrem $10,000 and everyone else who placed in that horrible show has a few grand coming. From everyone who was there, that was the worst promoted show ever. Folding chairs on a flat floor and no numbers for the assigned seating, so everyone just punched it out over seats. No rest rooms for competitors or even towels for onstage! It was a very bad joke. And then he stiffed everyone. And now he's promoting for Wayne. It can't get much lower than this. That shows how low Wayne had to scrape the bottom of the toilet to get a promoter. Until Jim Goad pays the top 5 from the Orlando Pro what he owes them I have zero respect for him or Wayne DeMilia.
Has he paid wayne the licence fee yet?
In that case will this show even happen?
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Neo, You look good man. But this board has alot of haters so just ignore em. I would recommend some power lifting to you....need a couple more years to move to that level.
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Yep. He still owes Darrem $10,000 and everyone else who placed in that horrible show has a few grand coming. From everyone who was there, that was the worst promoted show ever. Folding chairs on a flat floor and no numbers for the assigned seating, so everyone just punched it out over seats. No rest rooms for competitors or even towels for onstage! It was a very bad joke. And then he stiffed everyone. And now he's promoting for Wayne. It can't get much lower than this. That shows how low Wayne had to scrape the bottom of the toilet to get a promoter. Until Jim Goad pays the top 5 from the Orlando Pro what he owes them I have zero respect for him or Wayne DeMilia.
PDI cannot afford one bad event. Everything needs to be top notch for a year or 2 for it to make a stand to draw athletes and sell tickets. After a good 2 year run and some real investment dollars I think the PDI will draw more 1st tier athletes and sell more tickets which the PDI will have enough cash flow to move forward and make a return on thier initial investment. If not, kiss it goodbye...and it's WBF all over again.
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damn, I might do this show although it's pretty f*cking expensive ($100). Top 2 from each weight class huh? I'd probably enter the up to 175 class.
You look great!!! Keep it up!!
I think your cat ate your food while you were taking the pic. Can't let that happen brother when you want to grow. The tuperware should always be arm length away....LOLOL
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Mike you look good man....everythings starting to look the way it should! Stay on it mate!
ps....i hope you didnt walk around the neighbourhood for 45mins dressed like that ;)
thanks bro!!!
i havent left yet to do my frickin cardio yet!!!!!(i know i know lol im going)
Laura is sleeping so i was trying to take a pic ..........i got this (looks like my abs are melting!!)
lol.........oh well im off now for that 45 min walk..........
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Isn't this the same promoter who hosted the IFBB Orlando Pro Show a few years back?? Wasn't there some rumor that he never paid Darrem Charles his money for winning? Whatever ever happened with that?
At least one member of the top 5 received all of their prize money. The others were on a payment plan, and receiving payments UNTIL Manion decided he didn't want Goad to promote anymore shows for the NPC. Now, at least let the guy keep promoting until he can pay off his debts to the competitors. NOW, the reason he went into debt and the show lost money in the first place (please remember, this show took place right at the same time Demilla was being ousted):
1). AMI pulled promised advertising from Flex and Muscle & Fitness. So, the show had no nationals advertising (only local).
2). Goad was given his show date at the end of the previous year. After his date was set, and he booked the venue, etc... Manion goes on and decides to put his Pittsburgh State and IFBB Figure show on the same weekend. This was bad, but Goad had worked it out with the sponsors to where they would send two teams (one to Manion's show, and one to Orlando Pro), so he would still get sponsor revenue. Nope... Manion told the sponsors that they could not do this, and if they did, they wouldn't be allowed to sponsor any NPC or IFBB shows in the future.
So, with no advertising to generate an audience (to generate revenue), no sponsorships (to generate revenue), and not being allowed to promote any more NPC shows (to generate reveneue), things ended up the way they did. Now, think about this... in the past, if a situation had arisen where the promoter was unable to pay the prize money, Wayne simply took care of it, and then the promoter was indebted to Wayne. With Wayne ousted at this time, how come the new person in charge, or anyone in the IFBB, step up to make sure that the competitors were paid?
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At least one member of the top 5 received all of their prize money. The others were on a payment plan, and receiving payments UNTIL Manion decided he didn't want Goad to promote anymore shows for the NPC. Now, at least let the guy keep promoting until he can pay off his debts to the competitors. NOW, the reason he went into debt and the show lost money in the first place (please remember, this show took place right at the same time Demilla was being ousted):
1). AMI pulled promised advertising from Flex and Muscle & Fitness. So, the show had no nationals advertising (only local).
2). Goad was given his show date at the end of the previous year. After his date was set, and he booked the venue, etc... Manion goes on and decides to put his Pittsburgh State and IFBB Figure show on the same weekend. This was bad, but Goad had worked it out with the sponsors to where they would send two teams (one to Manion's show, and one to Orlando Pro), so he would still get sponsor revenue. Nope... Manion told the sponsors that they could not do this, and if they did, they wouldn't be allowed to sponsor any NPC or IFBB shows in the future.
So, with no advertising to generate an audience (to generate revenue), no sponsorships (to generate revenue), and not being allowed to promote any more NPC shows (to generate reveneue), things ended up the way they did. Now, think about this... in the past, if a situation had arisen where the promoter was unable to pay the prize money, Wayne simply took care of it, and then the promoter was indebted to Wayne. With Wayne ousted at this time, how come the new person in charge, or anyone in the IFBB, step up to make sure that the competitors were paid?
why/how could they do this if it was an ifbb endorsed event??
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Thanks War and JMentis, I've been doing a lot of squats and deadlifts to add more size. I'm 21 yrs old going up guys 10-15 yrs older than me in bodybuilding contests. So I've been literally busting my ass in the gym to narrow the gap between us.
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Thanks War and JMentis, I've been doing a lot of squats and deadlifts to add more size. I'm 21 yrs old going up guys 10-15 yrs older than me in bodybuilding contests. So I've been literally busting my ass in the gym to narrow the gap between us.
try training with someone bigger/stronger more experienced than you...
that always makes you push
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why/how could they do this if it was an ifbb endorsed event??
Because aside from the NOC a couple of weeks later, this was the last event under Wayne's direction (Wayne was in attendance at the event).
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Because aside from the NOC a couple of weeks later, this was the last event under Wayne's direction (Wayne was in attendance at the event).
they really had it in for him then huh....too bad they (indirectly) screwed over their own athletes in the process
karma baby
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maybe your right bro..............(how the f**k do i know,i have never competed before)
all i can do is try my best ,and try to come in the best shape i possibly can
to be honest with you my biggest fear is "pulling a Vince goodrum"
I'm sure as shit not gunna say " yea mann the west palm beach is my show!!!!!"
well see what happens(if it goes well .PDI possibly)
if not....................l ol ill kill myself!
Great attitude Bro..Giver shit.
8 weeks and counting..
Good Luck
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Great attitude Bro..Giver shit.
8 weeks and counting..
Good Luck
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thanks big man!!!
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When Orlando promoter lost money on pro event, NPC took his amateur show away so how could he make money to pay athletes.
PDI is letting him run an amateur pro qualifier (no prize money) and with the profits he makes he will pay his debts.
But why has the IFBB not paid Darrem?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
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Interesting. VERY interesting. By the way, Mike, keep it up brutha! :o
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1). AMI pulled promised advertising from Flex and Muscle & Fitness. So, the show had no nationals advertising (only local).
2). Goad was given his show date at the end of the previous year. After his date was set, and he booked the venue, etc... Manion goes on and decides to put his Pittsburgh State and IFBB Figure show on the same weekend. This was bad, but Goad had worked it out with the sponsors to where they would send two teams (one to Manion's show, and one to Orlando Pro), so he would still get sponsor revenue. Nope... Manion told the sponsors that they could not do this, and if they did, they wouldn't be allowed to sponsor any NPC or IFBB shows in the future.
So, with no advertising to generate an audience (to generate revenue), no sponsorships (to generate revenue), and not being allowed to promote any more NPC shows (to generate reveneue), things ended up the way they did.
The problem with your argument is that it relies too heavily on inside-the-box thinking.
It's very poor form not to pay a performer within a reasonable period of time. 30 days is normal - gives sufficient time to complete the event's other accounting - but in no case should this extend beyond 90 days. Period. If that means taking out a personal loan to pay the talent, then that's what you do.
For the life of me, I have never understood why the IFBB pro athletes had to sign 'contracts' in order to do a pro show, yet the promoters were never obligated to honor their side of the agreements.
That said, one of the first major things Jim Manion did when he took over the pro side of the IFBB was to require promoters to place the prize money in an escrow account *prior* to the license being awarded to even do the show. Even if a show lost a ton of money and the IFBB wasn't able to collect its full sanctioning fee right away, AT LEAST THE ATHLETES WOULD NOW BE GUARANTEED THEIR PAY.
The way to make an event successful is to sell it locally. You could've had a solid year of national print advertising for the Orlando event and it still would not have been well-attended, because they failed in the local advertising. How hard is it to sell $30,000-40,000 worth of sponsorship in a city the size of Orlando? Isn't this guy a professional promoter?? Hell, if I can raise $10,000 cash in my spare time for an event in British Columbia and don't even live there, then *surely* someone with that level of experience should have no problems at all organizing enough cash support to pay the athletes.
With valuable lessons from his past and now being under the guidance of Wayne DeMilia, however, I'm trusting that Mr. Goad will produce a much better event than he is currently known for.
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God I love it when someone who really knows the answers comes on here and explains it. See guys there is always a story and then the REAL story. It sounds lie a typical Manion move. He has done it before. You guys who kiss his nuts really need to get a new idol. This one has alwasy sounded like a ripoff artist.
As long as your looking for the TRUTH, Keith..heres a few facts for ya.
1. Manion wasn't in control after Wayne was ousted...Eric Weider was.
2.-When the 2005 IFBB Pro Division schedule was put together in November 2004, Wayne was still in charge. Wayne scheduled both contests on the same day. Wayne was still in the good graces of the IFBB at that point. In actuality the Pittsburgh Pro was on the schedule 1st, not the way that "XYZ" posted it.
Also, 1 was a Pro Figure & the other a Pro BB show. No conflict. Wayne had scheduled other events like that for years, even before Figure & somebody wanted to run a Pro Fitness show the same weekend as a Pro BB.
3.-Lets talk tradition. For 6 years Manion has had the IFBB Pittsburgh Pro Fitness/Figure the 1st weekend of May. 3 years as fitness, 3 years as figure. Also, he's held the NPC Pittsburgh Championships that same weekend forever! Hell, when I was in high school when he held it the 1st weekend of May! So Wayne knew this in advance. Just like the NOC was always the 3rd weekend of May in NYC. Just like the Arnold is always the 1st weekend of March. How could Wayne not know this?
4.-Another thing... when Wayne had his original PD website, if he was AGAINST having the Pittsburgh Pro Figure on the same day, why was it listed on the PD website as the Pro Division Pittsburgh Pro Figure?
Wayne was hoping Pecker would move against Weiders/IFBB & that he'd be in charge of the Pro Division & have the NPC fall in line as his amateur feeder organization. All the May contests that year, Pittsburgh, Orlando, NOC & California Pro were listed on the PD website along with the results from the Arnold Classic Weekend as being PD events. Hmmm.....
5.- As to sponsorships & them being in Pittsburgh, well refer to my 1st point. Every sponsor knows the NPC/IFBB Pittsburgh is the 1st weekend of May & build it into their schedules. I know that to be true when I was with with GNC, as does Greg henry who made the schedule. Nobody, including Manion, told anybody they couldn't do both events. There were some companies that were at both. Strange.... I on't think they were blackballed for that move since that time.
6.-Why would the NPC let James Goad promote another contest when he fucked up this one? It's not the NPC or the IFBB's responsibility to let him promote contests so he could get money to pay Darrem, Ahmed, etc..
BTW, Goad has his own company that makes bodybuilding clothing. I saw him for years at the Nationals in Florida & several south Florida events selling his clothes. Why didn't he take money from his clothing company to pay the athletes, or whatever job hes employed at?
Bottom line is...thats the responsibility you take on when you agree to promote a pro show.
I realize Wayne was trying to help out in some manner by letting the sanction fee go by the wayside...but you can see where it backfired...and to whose loss?? The ATHLETES, of course.
And we know that Goad's wasn't the only contest over the years this happened at. Remember Toronto,anyone? I don't think that Art Atwood ever received his full payment for 1st place that year & I know the figure competitors got Zero! The IFBB officials, sans Wayne, even had to pay for their hotel rooms.
Just keeping the facts real here, boys...
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When Orlando promoter lost money on pro event, NPC took his amateur show away so how could he make money to pay athletes.
PDI is letting him run an amateur pro qualifier (no prize money) and with the profits he makes he will pay his debts.
But why has the IFBB not paid Darrem?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
I submitted an item for consideration at this last years BOG meeting in Colombus to the suits, that would guarantee the purses be paid to the athletes by the IFBB...
It was accepted.
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Chick owns all you bitches!
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Chick owns all you bitches!
Glad to see someone sticking up for Chick. He's taken alot of unnecessary abuse lately and has been very Christlike in his response.
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The facts are, the Florida show was sanctioned in 2004. The NPC sanction was removed after the promoter did not pay the athletes. Jim Manion has run his show for 20 years on the same weekend.
Wayne Demilia and the Florida promoter decided to use this date knowingly, without any regard. Why should Jim Manion move his established show, when Wayne and the promoter knew of this set date? Wayne and the promoter decided not to change the date of their show. Wayne Demilia ran the athletes meeting at the Florida Show and made a very strong statement about how things would be better as he would head the new Pro Division.
This would include the support of Flex and M & F magazine, David Pecker and the entire AMI group. It has also been stated that the athletes who did not get paid at this promoters last show would recieve their money from the earnings of this show. If this was the original intent, why wait until being confronted with this question to announce this! When the show was first announced, this information was not given. Once again, Wayne manipulating the truth for his own agenda.
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Glad to see someone sticking up for Chick. He's taken alot of unnecessary abuse lately and has been very Christlike in his response.
Most of these guys are just jealous cause Bob bangs girls they can only dream of.
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Chick just threw down the facts. Keith - better call and verify what chick just wrote before you respond.
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Interesting. VERY interesting. By the way, Mike, keep it up brutha! :o
will do ...Vic!!
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Hey Mike, props to you for posting your picks. You are on your way, just a little more fat loss. Good luck and fvck the haters.
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It's a brilliant move by Wayne. He is stirring up controversy.
With this situation, he also exposes Chic as an employee of the IFBB.
Chic your "facts" about what is considered a tradition is your "opinion." I'm not saying you don't have a point--but it is still an opinion.
Chic is not the athlete's rep-and Wayne is exposing him.
Chic doesn't have every single bodybuilder on his side--and Wayne will exploit the hell out of this.
As a result, the PDI will have more crossovers due to the conflict of interest.
Chic..
You should just be sitting back and letting the "free market" create the DEMAND. You hsouldn't be involved in dictating anything.
The more these two organizations fight for control, the more the bodybuilders win.
Just "lean back" bro. That is, if the IFBB will let you.
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Hey Mike, props to you for posting your picks. You are on your way, just a little more fat loss. Good luck and fvck the haters.
hey man thanks..............(the support shown here..supposedly the most unsupportive bodybuilding message board in the free world has been nothing short of amazing!!,i gotta stay humble because i dont have the genetics nor confidence to be arrogant,I'm giving it 100% and that's all i can do.........no regrets bro!!
if i get dead last ill be the fucking hardest working,most disciplined last place finisher of all time!!!(and that's ok with me)..............im having a blast!!!!!
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if i get dead last ill be the fucking hardest working,most disciplined last place finisher of all time!!!(and that's ok with me)..............im having a blast!!!!!
Don't even say that to yourself, man. What you focus on will expand.
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It's a brilliant move by Wayne. He is stirring up controversy.
With this situation, he also exposes Chic as an employee of the IFBB.
Chic your "facts" about what is considered a tradition is your "opinion." I'm not saying you don't have a point--but it is still an opinion.
Chic is not the athlete's rep-and Wayne is exposing him.
Chic doesn't have every single bodybuilder on his side--and Wayne will exploit the hell out of this.
As a result, the PDI will have more crossovers due to the conflict of interest.
Chic..
You should just be sitting back and letting the "free market" create the DEMAND. You hsouldn't be involved in dictating anything.
The more these two organizations fight for control, the more the bodybuilders win.
Just "lean back" bro. That is, if the IFBB will let you.
Keep in mind I'm the IFBB Athletes Rep....
So you're saying running a show for 25+ years is a "tradition"? but not a fact? lololol....
There is no conflict of interest, as the PDI has yet to stage a show and prove itself successful.
I've also received MANY calls/ emails from fellow pro's/ amatuers inquiring about the PDI and whether it's in their best interest to join...or stay put. I've advised for and against depending on the individuals circumstances...I absolutely think it's in SOME athletes best interest to give it a shot...others, not.
Once again..I don't get a check from the IFBB..nor am I a "blue blazer", or in any officiating capacity. I am simply the IFBB athletes representative, and make changes according to the athletes wishes and best interest....so far, I think I've been pretty successful in making positive changes.
Stay out of things you don't have a clue about.
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Keep in mind I'm the IFBB Athletes Rep....
So you're saying running a show for 25+ years is a "tradition"? but not a fact? lololol....
There is no conflict of interest, as the PDI has yet to stage a show and prove itself successful.
I've also received MANY calls/ emails from fellow pro's/ amatuers inquiring about the PDI and whether it's in their best interest to join...or stay put. I've advised for and against depending on the individuals circumstances...I absolutely think it's in SOME athletes best interest to give it a shot...others, not.
Once again..I don't get a check from the IFBB..nor am I a "blue blazer", or in any officiating capacity. I am simply the IFBB athletes representative, and make changes according to the athletes wishes and best interest....so far, I think I've been pretty successful in making positive changes.
Stay out of things you don't have a clue about.
I'll stick my business in anything you post oin this public forum. Thank you very much. If you don't want me in your business, be a professional and quit posting your business on here.
Chic...serious question.
Do you want the PDI to succeed and flourish?
And, do you think the success of a rival organization will bring more opportunities to the entire group of pro bodybuilders.
Because you are an IFBB rep, I can see the success of the PDI will diminish your "status in the overall picture of pro bodybuilding. Your "services" will not be needed by all of the pro bodybuilders who go to the PDI. Less power for you. More power for athletes.
And you missed my point about "tradition." The NFL Super Bowl was traditionally held in the second week of January--until they exapnded the regular season two weeks.
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CHICK CRUSHED ONLYME!
ONLYME your all ALONE NOW! :'(
Buffet time!
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How'd that whole your mother getting busted for transporting your drugs thing work out for you?
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Nicely, she is watching the baby today getting ready to throw the smack down on some greens, ham, mashed potatoes, turkey and all the fixin's for Easter.
It doesn't get any better than that.
Thanks for asking. ;D
Peace,
S. Ray
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I'll stick my business in anything you post oin this public forum, meathead. Thank you very much.
If you don't want me in your business, be a professional and quit posting your business on here. Fair enough, Mr. Wonderful?
Chic...serious question.
Do you want the PDI to succeed and flourish?
And, do you think the success of a rival organization will bring more opportunities to the entire group of pro bodybuilders.
Because you are an IFBB rep, I can see the success of the PDI will diminish your "status in the overall picture of pro bodybuilding. Your "services" will not be needed by all of the pro bodybuilders who go to the PDI. Less power for you. More power for athletes.
And you missed my point about "tradition." The NFL Super Bowl was traditionally held in the second week of January--until they exapnded the regular season two weeks.
I think competition is good for all parties concerned...I wish no bad on the PDI.
Their success or demise wont have any impact on my role either way.
Apparantly, you missed your own point on tradition and facts. The Pittsburgh has been held on the same date for 25+ years...thats a FACT. Wayne knew that. which was the point at hand.
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Nicely, she is watching the baby today getting ready to throw the smack down on some greens, ham, mashed potatoes, turkey and all the fixin's for Easter.
It doesn't get any better than that.
Thanks for asking. ;D
Peace,
S. Ray
It's nice that she's watching the baby and fixing your food but you kind of skipped over the point of the post.
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Hell yeah! I was waiting for another show in orlando, i missed the orlando pro... Ill be there takin pics and checkin it out...
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You missed the point son :-*
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You missed the point son :-*
Perhaps you referred to the drug bust in some cryptic manner that I didn't understand. How long before you get this deleted?
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Doooooooooooooooo :o
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Let's all go. :D
I'm actually planning a trip to Fla right now, but there's no way I'm booking it for August. fuck that.
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Apparantly, you missed your own point on tradition and facts. The Pittsburgh has been held on the same date for 25+ years...thats a FACT. Wayne knew that. which was the point at hand.
I missed my point? You can read my mind and determine I missed the point that I myself was making? Wow! You're amazing if you can do that too.
Ahh Chick. Yes, it is a fact the show has been running at the same time for however many years. No duh.
The "opinion" is that, because of this tradion, the date of this show shouldn't be changed. That is an opinion of yours, isn't it?
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Sean Maloney.... your a no name, struggling to be accepted pro, with no future in the IFBB boodybuilder... So your going to be in the PDI show as well ?
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I missed my point? You can read my mind and determine I missed the point that I myself was making? Wow! You're amazing if you can do that too.
Ahh Chick. Yes, it is a fact the show has been running at the same time for however many years. No duh.
The "opinion" is that, because of this tradion, the date of this show shouldn't be changed. That is an opinion of yours, isn't it?
You missed the point ENTIRELY.
It's WAYNE that scheduled the show on the same date as a show thats been running for 25 YEARS...get it now? There is no "opinion" on the matter.....
goddam.....
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You missed the point ENTIRELY.
It's WAYNE that scheduled the show on the same date as a show thats been running for 25 YEARS...get it now? There is no "opinion" on the matter.....
goddam.....
Chick predicts pain and lots of it .... Good luck in NY .. Ill be there Brutha!!
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You missed the point ENTIRELY.
It's WAYNE that scheduled the show on the same date as a show thats been running for 25 YEARS...get it now? There is no "opinion" on the matter.....
goddam.....
So if the Mr. Olympia wanted to change their date to the same as the date the, let's say NPC Seattle Emerald Cup, which had been doing that date for the last 20 years, it's a "fact" that the Olympia should not change to that date too, right?
Your fact was formed due to your alliance with Jim Manion.
What I'm saying is that it's not a "fact" that the two shows shouldn't be held on the same day....it's an "opinion."
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goddam.....
Bob, when you use blasphemy like this and take the Lord's name in vain, are you doing so in your capacity as athlete's rep, or just as a representative of Bodybuilding.com?
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CHICK CRUSHED ONLYME!
ONLYME your all ALONE NOW! :'(
Buffet time!
No Shawn you are alone. And how can either you or Chic crush me in any manner physically or mentally. I am just a guy who comes on here speaks his mind and relays some facts when i get them. You and Chic are Pro BB's. You are supposed to be the epitome of this board, you are Pros. But instead, you are are constantly being embarrased on this site. You never answer questions directly and your'e full of shit. I don't think you could ever do anything to me to crush me. I just hope Chic doesn't use being on the board all the time a reason why he doesn't win this week.
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Keith and for everyone else... Because they are PROS doesnt mean that these guys are smarter or better than any of us in any way well except for lifting , taking steroids and talking behind each others back.
I appreciate them for what they are,and dont diss them for who they arent...
For Example...would I like to have Allen Iverson on my basketball team? Yes
Am I going to look to him to be my pastor ? NO
And BB is about as important to the world as much as motorcycles are...
So in closing, Keith you limit yourselfd when you hold atletes to a standard for which they never claimed to hold...
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Sean Maloney.... your a no name, struggling to be accepted pro, with no future in the IFBB boodybuilder... So your going to be in the PDI show as well ?
Jaggyjuggs sounds jealous. ::)
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No Shawn you are alone. And how can either you or Chic crush me in any manner physically or mentally. I am just a guy who comes on here speaks his mind and relays some facts when i get them. You and Chic are Pro BB's. You are supposed to be the epitome of this board, you are Pros. But instead, you are are constantly being embarrased on this site. You never answer questions directly and your'e full of shit. I don't think you could ever do anything to me to crush me. I just hope Chic doesn't use being on the board all the time a reason why he doesn't win this week.
Yeah...that was cool and all....now address the facts I posted.
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Yeah...that was cool and all....now address the facts I posted.
240 and Keith are frantically trying to get a hold of Wayne so they can respond to your facts Bobarino.
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Also, I'm not going to miss a chance to see the "PDI All Stars." :D
Someone say PDI ALL STARS? ;D
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Someone say PDI ALL STARS? ;D
You're getting a bit repititive. ::) Besides, all those pros dwarf you ::)
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240 and Keith are frantically trying to get a hold of Wayne so they can respond to your facts Bobarino.
Or Waynes dog in the case of 240
/Scooby Doo mind meld ON
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Again, introducing the Ladies of the PDI in no particular order........... ;D
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Shawns in a Horny mood. :-X
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To clarify a few things, thanks for the Vine 240:
1st - i spoke to vince in February and he asked me to help him get his name out there in the mags as he was making a comeback and wanted to do my show. No prob. After the ASC, he decided he didn't have enough time to prepare for the show but wanted to do the Australia. No Prob.
I wanted to give more money away to the Pro's competing by not having an Invitational and paying the top 10, which no other pro show does, including the Arnold, sans the Olympia. The rest you'll have to wait and hear on pro BBing Weekly in two weeks.
Regardless, both Lee & Vince have made career moves at the end of their careers not the beginning. It's a free enterpise system and they are welcome to make moves and changes that affect them as they choose, I am certainly not one to worry or complain.
The CO PRO will go on and someone will step up for the Prize Money and Media Coverage. Question is, will you be there in Public wearing this?
;D ;D ;D
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I love em by the pound! ;D
Ya Heard!
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oh yeah-
Damn pro's!!! They can eat cookies and have a small waist. >:(
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OK, posedown with:
Phil Heath
Johnny Jackson
Bill Wilmore
Marcus Haley
Darrem Charles
Ahmad Haidar
David Henry
Should I go on? :-\
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As long as your looking for the TRUTH, Keith..heres a few facts for ya.
1. Manion wasn't in control after Wayne was ousted...Eric Weider was.
2.-When the 2005 IFBB Pro Division schedule was put together in November 2004, Wayne was still in charge. Wayne scheduled both contests on the same day. Wayne was still in the good graces of the IFBB at that point. In actuality the Pittsburgh Pro was on the schedule 1st, not the way that "XYZ" posted it.
Also, 1 was a Pro Figure & the other a Pro BB show. No conflict. Wayne had scheduled other events like that for years, even before Figure & somebody wanted to run a Pro Fitness show the same weekend as a Pro BB.
3.-Lets talk tradition. For 6 years Manion has had the IFBB Pittsburgh Pro Fitness/Figure the 1st weekend of May. 3 years as fitness, 3 years as figure. Also, he's held the NPC Pittsburgh Championships that same weekend forever! Hell, when I was in high school when he held it the 1st weekend of May! So Wayne knew this in advance. Just like the NOC was always the 3rd weekend of May in NYC. Just like the Arnold is always the 1st weekend of March. How could Wayne not know this?
4.-Another thing... when Wayne had his original PD website, if he was AGAINST having the Pittsburgh Pro Figure on the same day, why was it listed on the PD website as the Pro Division Pittsburgh Pro Figure?
Wayne was hoping Pecker would move against Weiders/IFBB & that he'd be in charge of the Pro Division & have the NPC fall in line as his amateur feeder organization. All the May contests that year, Pittsburgh, Orlando, NOC & California Pro were listed on the PD website along with the results from the Arnold Classic Weekend as being PD events. Hmmm.....
5.- As to sponsorships & them being in Pittsburgh, well refer to my 1st point. Every sponsor knows the NPC/IFBB Pittsburgh is the 1st weekend of May & build it into their schedules. I know that to be true when I was with with GNC, as does Greg henry who made the schedule. Nobody, including Manion, told anybody they couldn't do both events. There were some companies that were at both. Strange.... I on't think they were blackballed for that move since that time.
6.-Why would the NPC let James Goad promote another contest when he fucked up this one? It's not the NPC or the IFBB's responsibility to let him promote contests so he could get money to pay Darrem, Ahmed, etc..
BTW, Goad has his own company that makes bodybuilding clothing. I saw him for years at the Nationals in Florida & several south Florida events selling his clothes. Why didn't he take money from his clothing company to pay the athletes, or whatever job hes employed at?
Bottom line is...thats the responsibility you take on when you agree to promote a pro show.
I realize Wayne was trying to help out in some manner by letting the sanction fee go by the wayside...but you can see where it backfired...and to whose loss?? The ATHLETES, of course.
And we know that Goad's wasn't the only contest over the years this happened at. Remember Toronto,anyone? I don't think that Art Atwood ever received his full payment for 1st place that year & I know the figure competitors got Zero! The IFBB officials, sans Wayne, even had to pay for their hotel rooms.
Just keeping the facts real here, boys...
Still waiting boys......Keith? 240? Bueller? anyone.....?
Exactly what I thought...
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OK, posedown with:
Phil Heath
Johnny Jackson
Bill Wilmore
Marcus Haley
Darrem Charles
Ahmad Haidar
David Henry
Should I go on? :-\
Those guys are all black !!!!! Shawns a racsist. :-[
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Those guys are all black !!!!! Shawns a racsist. :-[
Except Ahamad....but hows he gonna win with just ab's????
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Yeah...that was cool and all....now address the facts I posted.
Who said they are facts cause you said them. First off I can bet most of those words came directly from Manion. Sorry but everytime something comes up where Manion may be at fault you come in with some very in-depth detail and one-sided stories for Manion. I just don't see how a BB who really didn't do that well in competition and till he became the IFBB rep wasn't in the spotlight would knwo so much behind the scenes information. I mean if you know this stuff then I would have to say every pro BB knows the same things yet you are the only one who comes in with such detail and describes the whole incident. Sounds very fishy and strange to me. I think Manion is telling you what to say. It's definitely not beyond possiblity.
So please do not come on here and pretend you are Mr. Knowitall in BB all of a sudden. You seem to knwo everything about every show that has happened. SO never state the word "facts" in any of your posts it just doesn't fit your M.O.
And its funny how you post a rebuttle to the post that tells another story that sound way more possible than yours. Instead of coming on here first to post your bullshit facts as you say. So when you come up with facts then we will discuss. And quit calling Manion. Do something on your own for once. How can you like being a puppet so much. We know he looks at this board religiously or JM keeps him up to date.
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240 and Keith are frantically trying to get a hold of Wayne so they can respond to your facts Bobarino.
Lift Stud, are your lips permanantly around Chic's and Shawn ass and your hand doing a reach-a-round. Cause man you kiss ass more than anyone on here.
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Those guys are all black !!!!! Shawns a racsist. :-[
Would you like to explain yourself Shawn? >:(
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Why are there no white fatty guys??? Sugarbeargrahmcracker just put his pic up in "monster back". I dont see why he cant enter as the "sample of white genetics" guy!!!! >:(
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We know he looks at this board religiously...
100% false.
Have you ever taken a look at just how much data (regardless of how accurate it is or is not) is posted here each day? There just aren't enough hours in the day to do much more than skim a handful of threads each week.
Anyone who has been around for a while and who has actually paid attention to what was going on can verify a good amount of what Bob posted. The information about the scheduling is known by practically everyone who is even a fan of bodybuilding, so to suggest that there was some deep, dark conspiracy over scheduling is just nonsense.
There *are* plenty of conspiracies in and around the IFBB, but this isn't one of them.
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No you are wrong and someone will come on here to verify. JM comes on here almost everyday he can. And dad has others reading too. Why do you think he is back on Ulcer medication.
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100% false.
Have you ever taken a look at just how much data (regardless of how accurate it is or is not) is posted here each day? There just aren't enough hours in the day to do much more than skim a handful of threads each week.
Anyone who has been around for a while and who has actually paid attention to what was going on can verify a good amount of what Bob posted. The information about the scheduling is known by practically everyone who is even a fan of bodybuilding, so to suggest that there was some deep, dark conspiracy over scheduling is just nonsense.
There *are* plenty of conspiracies in and around the IFBB, but this isn't one of them.
Well Tre, I know that JM comes here because he told me he does.
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Why are there no white fatty guys??? Sugarbeargrahmcracker just put his pic up in "monster back". I dont see why he cant enter as the "sample of white genetics" guy!!!! >:(
We want answers to these terrible accusations. >:(
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Lift Stud, are your lips permanantly around Chic's and Shawn ass and your hand doing a reach-a-round. Cause man you kiss ass more than anyone on here.
God forbid anyone try to be positive. Because you can't face facts, that makes me an ass kisser?
Here's an idea...
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Well Tre, I know that JM comes here because he told me he does.
JM does, but I was older talking about the elder Manion. Unless something has changed in the past year (and I suppose it's possible), he's just not down with the whole internet thing.
Do you guys honestly think Sunday dinner conversation at dad's house consists of talking about what happened on GetBig each week?
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JM does, but I was older talking about the elder Manion. Unless something has changed in the past year (and I suppose it's possible), he's just not down with the whole internet thing.
Do you guys honestly think Sunday dinner conversation at dad's house consists of talking about what happened on GetBig each week?
yes..................... ............(mine does)
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yes..................... ............(mine does)
Yeah right ;D
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This just in Jack "Rhino" London has signed an exclusive deal with "rhino iron" in hopes to propel himself back into a top 5 slot at the NOC.
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You're really trying too hard now :(
QUite unfunny, I'm afraid. The PDI doll was awesome. This is just weak.
I realize your the blowhard/guy for the PDI and all of Mr. London's announcements typically come from your spout. I'll try to clear all official announcements through you from now on.
How do you feel about your animal going from first to fourth in less then two weeks?
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Who said they are facts cause you said them. First off I can bet most of those words came directly from Manion. Sorry but everytime something comes up where Manion may be at fault you come in with some very in-depth detail and one-sided stories for Manion. I just don't see how a BB who really didn't do that well in competition and till he became the IFBB rep wasn't in the spotlight would knwo so much behind the scenes information. I mean if you know this stuff then I would have to say every pro BB knows the same things yet you are the only one who comes in with such detail and describes the whole incident. Sounds very fishy and strange to me. I think Manion is telling you what to say. It's definitely not beyond possiblity.
So please do not come on here and pretend you are Mr. Knowitall in BB all of a sudden. You seem to knwo everything about every show that has happened. SO never state the word "facts" in any of your posts it just doesn't fit your M.O.
And its funny how you post a rebuttle to the post that tells another story that sound way more possible than yours. Instead of coming on here first to post your bullshit facts as you say. So when you come up with facts then we will discuss. And quit calling Manion. Do something on your own for once. How can you like being a puppet so much. We know he looks at this board religiously or JM keeps him up to date.
If you've followed BB for any length of time...you would know that I've been involved in BB for 27 years now. I was one of the first members of the NPC, and I have always been involved in the behind the scenes, and political side of the sport.
As for "not doing well in competition" as you say...funny, I took 2 runner up spots and an Olympia appearance before making waves and trying to start a union for the athletes...after that...not as well. You do the math.
As for Manion....He and I have had our share of disagreements over the years...and I haven't talked to him since he opted out of our show due to the flu. I've been around plenty, and don't need to talk to Manion to know what has gone down...everyone whos in the loop knows what goes on...YOU are clearly not, and only get one-sided information from Wayne.
Even Wayne can't dispute the items I listed...facts are facts.
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How do I feel about Jack London aka Rhino becoming a wellknown name on all the message boards, signing a PDI contract for the NOC and Euro tour, and getting 30,000 hits on his website in less than 2 weeks?
I feel like I'm doing my job. :)
well known name on the message boards= $0
signing a PDI contract= $0
30,000 hits on website=$0
Doing your job? Just what is your job anyway...?
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Damn. It did take a while to get your pro card, eh?
1987-2000 at the national level
do the math genius...
no wonder your broke.
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How do I feel about Jack London aka Rhino becoming a wellknown name on all the message boards, signing a PDI contract for the NOC and Euro tour, and getting 30,000 hits on his website in less than 2 weeks?
I feel like I'm doing my job. :)
Not what I asked...
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Well, Bob. I've been doing this for 3 months now. I'm already giving the top guys in my field a little run for their money.
You were an amateur for 13 years before you were granted Pro Status. With it, you've managed to win nothing but an invite to a 3rd place finish at a retiree contest.
Plus, I haven't had to break the law or destroy my internal organs to do it. I'm actually a bit of a health nut :)
Don't fool yourself..your giving nobody a run for their money.
Oh, I've won plenty, brother....I make a living doing what I love..BB. I've secured contracts, and just signed a 3year extention with BB.com...I'm an investor in other supplement companies, I've been in movies, commercials, and TV, I've traveled all over the world, I've been in magazines, on magazines, collect vintage cars, etc...all because of bodybuilding.
Not everyone has to be Mr. Olympia to be a successful BB
I do agree that you're a nut...(a health nut is up for debate). Speaking of which...judging by your pics, maybe you should get in touch with TP or Chad to help you out...whatever your doing doesnt seem to be working.
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JM does, but I was older talking about the elder Manion. Unless something has changed in the past year (and I suppose it's possible), he's just not down with the whole internet thing.
Do you guys honestly think Sunday dinner conversation at dad's house consists of talking about what happened on GetBig each week?
No way. It's Monday thru Friday dinners. On weekends they count all the money they made from promoter, competitors and suckers.
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If you've followed BB for any length of time...you would know that I've been involved in BB for 27 years now. I was one of the first members of the NPC, and I have always been involved in the behind the scenes, and political side of the sport.
As for "not doing well in competition" as you say...funny, I took 2 runner up spots and an Olympia appearance before making waves and trying to start a union for the athletes...after that...not as well. You do the math.
As for Manion....He and I have had our share of disagreements over the years...and I haven't talked to him since he opted out of our show due to the flu. I've been around plenty, and don't need to talk to Manion to know what has gone down...everyone whos in the loop knows what goes on...YOU are clearly not, and only get one-sided information from Wayne.
Even Wayne can't dispute the items I listed...facts are facts.
You know I am about to give up on Chic. He is very passionate about the IFBB, Manion and himself and nothign but nothing is going to change that. I am going to try to avoid any serious debate with Chic about past shows or Manion girdle size or whatever. I think I am getting carpal tunnel from all the typing.
You have been involved with BB for 27 years. But I still don't think on your own you know all this. But who knows. I do know I have been toilet trained and have been taking shits in a toilet for more than 45 years and I know nothing about plumbing except knowing how to flush. I do like you more than Shawn though. At least you fight your fights with answers whether true or not. SHawn comes back with stupid responses and ignores just about everything.
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Took Chic 27 years of competing & his record looks worse than Kamalis posing wardrobe.
Hell....I guess somebody has to be in the bottom "third tier".
;D
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Onlyme, is this really you? :o
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Onlyme, is this really you? :o
When are you and onlyme going to make up? :'(
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Onlyme, is this really you? :o
Shawn, Layoff!!! Im going to rip your limbs off, and throw your torso in the lake. Then little children will walk by and throw apples at you and call you Bob!!!
Best wishes, Warhorse. ;D
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No shorty this is me at 300 pounds. Live with the fact that you will never ever be a big or strong as I was and you still took all those roids. And no matter how much you attempt to put me down, it is laughable it is coming from you. You can shine my shoes when I see you. The sad part is you can do it standing up.
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240's job is to get Jack Rhino London 30,000 hits on his website ?
I never had respect for anyone who talked soooo much about BB but OBVIOUSLY never took one twentieth of the time to sit in the gym , on nice fucking days, in sweaty ass clothes, for five to six days a week, 50 or so weeks a year, for the last 10 years, with heavy ass wieghts and claim to KNOW SO MUCh... Cause then that makes you gay, you have no ambition to obtain the physique so all you do is talk about other dudes bodies without sittin there feelin sore in the bodypart you trained the night before..Your just a guy who talks about other guys he wants to be ..
SO SHUT UP AND TRAIN FOO!
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well known name on the message boards= $0
30,000 hits on website=$0
aint that the fucking truth!.......................
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Don't fool yourself..your giving nobody a run for their money.
Oh, I've won plenty, brother....I make a living doing what I love..BB. I've secured contracts, and just signed a 3year extention with BB.com...I'm an investor in other supplement companies, I've been in movies, commercials, and TV, I've traveled all over the world, I've been in magazines, on magazines, collect vintage cars, etc...all because of bodybuilding.
Not everyone has to be Mr. Olympia to be a successful BB
I do agree that you're a nut...(a health nut is up for debate). Speaking of which...judging by your pics, maybe you should get in touch with TP or Chad to help you out...whatever your doing doesnt seem to be working.
LOL you're funny
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This may be declared a 'meltdown' but here goes...
If any of you guys attend shows you would see that Chick is one of the coolest guys out, and does represent the bodybuilding community well. No matter where he is, having breakfast, walking down the hotel corridor... whatever...the guy will take the time to speak to anyone and everyone about bodybuilding. He is always friendly and personable while some other of the pros act like they are the next coming of Christ. The fact that he even posts on this board should somewhat attest to that. While most pros would not dare dream of posting here [under their real name I might add] cause they don't want to hear the shit, Chick just keeps on posting while being flamed to death.
Let the 'meltdown' posts begin ;D
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This may be declared a 'meltdown' but here goes...
If any of you guys attend shows you would see that Chick is one of the coolest guys out, and does represent the bodybuilding community well. No matter where he is, having breakfast, walking down the hotel corridor... whatever...the guy will take the time to speak to anyone and everyone about bodybuilding. He is always friendly and personable while some other of the pros act like they are the next coming of Christ. The fact that he even posts on this board should somewhat attest to that. While most pros would not dare dream of posting here [under their real name I might add] cause they don't want to hear the shit, Chick just keeps on posting while being flamed to death.
Let the 'meltdown' posts begin ;D
Meltdown ;D
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This may be declared a 'meltdown' but here goes...
If any of you guys attend shows you would see that Chick is one of the coolest guys out, and does represent the bodybuilding community well. No matter where he is, having breakfast, walking down the hotel corridor... whatever...the guy will take the time to speak to anyone and everyone about bodybuilding. He is always friendly and personable while some other of the pros act like they are the next coming of Christ. The fact that he even posts on this board should somewhat attest to that. While most pros would not dare dream of posting here [under their real name I might add] cause they don't want to hear the shit, Chick just keeps on posting while being flamed to death.
Let the 'meltdown' posts begin ;D
i actually agree 100%.........
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This may be declared a 'meltdown' but here goes...
If any of you guys attend shows you would see that Chick is one of the coolest guys out, and does represent the bodybuilding community well. No matter where he is, having breakfast, walking down the hotel corridor... whatever...the guy will take the time to speak to anyone and everyone about bodybuilding. He is always friendly and personable while some other of the pros act like they are the next coming of Christ. The fact that he even posts on this board should somewhat attest to that. While most pros would not dare dream of posting here [under their real name I might add] cause they don't want to hear the shit, Chick just keeps on posting while being flamed to death.
Let the 'meltdown' posts begin ;D
YOU GO GIRL! :-* :-*
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Meltdown Posts - 1
Agreement Posts - 2
So far, so good 8)
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Anybody have a prize break down on the PDI compettions?
I have heard its winner take all, that seems ridiculous to me.
I want to kow just how many guys are going to make money by standing on stage. Top 6? Top 8?
Any word on if the PDI will guarentee the prize money?
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YOU GO GIRL! :-* :-*
You're trying to turn this into Mayhem!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo !!
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You're trying to turn this into Mayhem!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo !!
Definitely NOT!
I am just trying to build a false sense of trust before I beat her down for praising and stalking the stalkee that I am stalking ??? ???
ummm YOU GO GIRL!
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This may be declared a 'meltdown' but here goes...
If any of you guys attend shows you would see that Chick is one of the coolest guys out, and does represent the bodybuilding community well. No matter where he is, having breakfast, walking down the hotel corridor... whatever...the guy will take the time to speak to anyone and everyone about bodybuilding. He is always friendly and personable while some other of the pros act like they are the next coming of Christ. The fact that he even posts on this board should somewhat attest to that. While most pros would not dare dream of posting here [under their real name I might add] cause they don't want to hear the shit, Chick just keeps on posting while being flamed to death.
Let the 'meltdown' posts begin ;D
You're starting a trend here. From now on I can see lots of people prefacing their posts with "This may be a declared a 'meltdown', but here goes..."... ;D
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Definitely NOT!
I am just trying to build a false sense of trust before I beat her down for praising and stalking the stalkee that I am stalking ??? ???
ummm YOU GO GIRL!
Good move. Stealthy and cunning ;)
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Good move. Stealthy and cunning ;)
meltdown
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Anybody have a prize break down on the PDI compettions?
I have heard its winner take all, that seems ridiculous to me.
I want to kow just how many guys are going to make money by standing on stage. Top 6? Top 8?
Any word on if the PDI will guarentee the prize money?
Winner take all seems really dumb to me. It it is a close contest, the 2nd or 3rd place guys are likely to..............
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Meltdown :o
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Watch it sucka! >:(
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Shawn, I'm not supposed to say anything, but your friends and family are planning an intervention this weekend. Your miserly penny pinching is now affecting those around you. Will you at least promise not to stick your hand in the retarded kids jar at the 7-11 anymore?
Now that is funny. ;D Interventions are funny.
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God I sure am happy Dennis Newman doesn't come on here. Can you imagine what Shawn would say about him. Shawn is such a good Christian. Jeez give it up. Your half-assed attempt to make all the shit you've done to people in the past by having a charity golf tournament is just that half-assed.
Son, a golf tournament won't help your karma. The good thing about the internet is that it exposes people like you who have the image when the camera is on and then the real one when the camera is off. You have the image of a rip-off, cheap ass and back stabber and you always will no matter how low your golf score gets. Now please post another fat picture. They are getting very amusing. But no matter what I can sleep with a good conscience and the fact I didn't let my mom spend years in prison because I was a scumbag drug dealer. You give the illusion to people you make allot from BB when in fact those fancy cars and whatever else you got was from drug money. God you are a great role model, son, father and tranny lover. How could you not brag about your past, it was so nice.
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This may be declared a 'meltdown' but here goes...
If any of you guys attend shows you would see that Chick is one of the coolest guys out, and does represent the bodybuilding community well. No matter where he is, having breakfast, walking down the hotel corridor... whatever...the guy will take the time to speak to anyone and everyone about bodybuilding. He is always friendly and personable while some other of the pros act like they are the next coming of Christ. The fact that he even posts on this board should somewhat attest to that. While most pros would not dare dream of posting here [under their real name I might add] cause they don't want to hear the shit, Chick just keeps on posting while being flamed to death.
Let the 'meltdown' posts begin ;D
So when did you and Chick have breakfast together?
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God I sure am happy Dennis Newman doesn't come on here. Can you imagine what Shawn would say about him. Shawn is such a good Christian. Jeez give it up. Your half-assed attempt to make all the shit you've done to people in the past by having a charity golf tournament is just that half-assed. Is this something you talk about at dinner while you talk about how you back stab your friends, of course the mom go to jail thing, drug dealing, off the wall sex shit with trannies and getting pissed on by girls. Son, a golf tournament won't help your karma. The good thing about the internet is that it exposes people like you who have the image when the camera is on and then the real one when the camera is off. You have the image of a rip-off, cheap ass and back stabber and you always will no matter how low your golf score gets. Now please post another fat picture. They are getting very amusing. But no matter what I can sleep with a good conscience and the fact I didn't let my mom spend years in prison because I was a scumbag drug dealer. You give the illusion to people you make allot from BB when in fact those fancy cars and whatever else you got was from drug money. God you are a great role model, son, father and tranny lover. How could you not brag about your past, it was so nice.
Yo meltdown - show some respect
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Well - well - well - first of all - OnlyMe and Shawn - you two are hitting below the belt - both of you have been in the industry a while, so discuss the facts objectively, not resorting to some baseless pics and attacks (or if you want to, show the pic once, not on every thread).
Second of all, I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.
The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem????
Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.
Local NPC shows can happen on the same weekend. It is tough, for we sponsor the local NPC California shows, yet sometimes the Orange County Muscle Classic is on the same weekend as the Emerald Cup. Yes, choices have to be made.
But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.
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Well - well - well - first of all - OnlyMe and Shawn - you two are hitting below the belt - both of you have been in the industry a while, so discuss the facts objectively, not resorting to some baseless pics and attacks (or if you want to, show the pic once, not on every thread).
Second of all, I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.
The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem????
Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.
Local NPC shows can happen on the same weekend. It is tough, for we sponsor the local NPC California shows, yet sometimes the Orange County Muscle Classic is on the same weekend as the Emerald Cup. Yes, choices have to be made.
But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.
Wayne has told me that the promoter said he will use whatever money is made for the amatuer show through tcket sales, entry fee, etc will be used to pay off the past competitors. But also, why hasn't Ben Weider or the IFBB paid Darrem and then go after the promoter. This should have been done if the IFBB was looking out for its athletes. They could have easily sued the promoter and got the money back. But they showed no support for the athlete.
IN SAG if you don't get paid they are in your corner with legal advice and everything else it takes to get your money. This is called support for the members
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Wayne has told me that the promoter said he will use whatever money is made for the amatuer show through tcket sales, entry fee, etc will be used to pay off the past competitors.
Man that's a funny one... the PDI putting on a show to give money to IFBB athletes... wouldn't hold my breathe
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Well - well - well - first of all - OnlyMe and Shawn - you two are hitting below the belt - both of you have been in the industry a while, so discuss the facts objectively, not resorting to some baseless pics and attacks (or if you want to, show the pic once, not on every thread).
Second of all, I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.
The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem????
Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.
Local NPC shows can happen on the same weekend. It is tough, for we sponsor the local NPC California shows, yet sometimes the Orange County Muscle Classic is on the same weekend as the Emerald Cup. Yes, choices have to be made.
But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.
and you expect a rational, mature, objective discussion for an adult juvenile shawn ray? LOL
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Dooooooooooooooo :o
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Wayne has told me that the promoter said he will use whatever money is made for the amatuer show through tcket sales, entry fee, etc will be used to pay off the past competitors. But also, why hasn't Ben Weider or the IFBB paid Darrem and then go after the promoter. This should have been done if the IFBB was looking out for its athletes. They could have easily sued the promoter and got the money back. But they showed no support for the athlete.
IN SAG if you don't get paid they are in your corner with legal advice and everything else it takes to get your money. This is called support for the members
We all know this isn't even remotely close to SAG. It's more then just Darrem that is owed money. Payment should have come from the promoter. End of story - nice try on passing the buck back on the IFBB though. What about the point of this individual having a clothing business - surely he makes enough income off that to pay off his debt. 2 years and these guys still haven't been paid? No excuse can justify that.
You really do feel wronged by the IFBB and NPC don't you Kieth? What's the date of your PDI show?
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well known name on the message boards= $0
signing a PDI contract= $0
30,000 hits on website=$0
Doing your job? Just what is your job anyway...?
OUCH.
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It is a good thing that the Atletes Rep managed to put in place guarentees by the IFBB so this can't ever happen again. Sorry I can't remember the name of the Athletes Rep right now, can you Keith? ;)
God bless Bob. :D
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It is a good thing that the Atletes Rep managed to put in place guarentees by the IFBB so this can't ever happen again. Sorry I can't remember the name of the Athletes Rep right now, can you Keith? ;)
Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money. Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant. You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment. Are you truly that fucking stupid.
Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that. I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something. You two are almost alike. get over it. You don't think the PDI will succeed fine. You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them. Good you made your choice. It shows your character and your mindset. The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town. Well no longer are they the only game in town. SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose. See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them.
So I have a right to say what I want about them. You have never had a dealing with the PDI. What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success. That is a fact. If not you wouldn't say a thing. And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers. Flat and Simple.
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Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money. Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant. You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment. Are you truly that fucking stupid. Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that. I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something. You two are almost alike. get over it. You don't think the PDI will succeed fine. You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them. Good you made your choice. It shows your character and your mindset. The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town. Well no longer are they the only game in town. SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose. See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them. So I have a right to say what I want about them. You have never had a dealing with the PDI. What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success. That is a fact. If not you wouldn't say a thing. And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers. Flat and Simple.
Kieth you tropical fruit loop, it appears you need some help. May I suggest:
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Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money. Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant. You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment. Are you truly that fucking stupid. Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that. I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something. You two are almost alike. get over it. You don't think the PDI will succeed fine. You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them. Good you made your choice. It shows your character and your mindset. The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town. Well no longer are they the only game in town. SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose. See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them. So I have a right to say what I want about them. You have never had a dealing with the PDI. What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success. That is a fact. If not you wouldn't say a thing. And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers. Flat and Simple.
All she said was that the athletes rep got the prize purse guaranteed :-\
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Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money. Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant. You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment. Are you truly that fucking stupid. Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that. I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something. You two are almost alike. get over it. You don't think the PDI will succeed fine. You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them. Good you made your choice. It shows your character and your mindset. The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town. Well no longer are they the only game in town. SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose. See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them. So I have a right to say what I want about them. You have never had a dealing with the PDI. What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success. That is a fact. If not you wouldn't say a thing. And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers. Flat and Simple.
Pursuant to Article 3.7 of the IFBB Professional Rules (2005 Edition), the IFBB Professional Division, held their annual meeting at the Orleans Hotel, Mardi Gras Room, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA, on Wednesday, October 12, 2005. The following officials were present:
Mr. Jim Manion Chairman of the IFBB Professional Division.
Mr. Jim Rockell Professional Division Management Team, Men’s Representative
Mr. Rob Wilkins Professional Division Management Team, Athlete Liaison (The Americas)
Mr. Pawel Filleburn Professional Division Management Team, Athlete Liaison (Europe)
Mr. Peter McGough Professional Division Management Team, Media Representative
Mr. Steve Weinberger Professional Division Management Team, Promoter Representative
Ms. Betty Pariso Professional Division Management Team, Women’s Bodybuilding Rep
Ms. Adela Garcia Professional Division Management Team, Fitness Athlete Rep
Mr. Bob Cicherillo Professional Division Management Team, Male Athlete Rep
Ms. Jenny Lynn Professional Division Management Team, Figure Athlete Rep
*Mr. Asher Frig Professional Division Judge
*Mr. Matt Crane Professional Division Judge
*Mr. Jon Lindsay Professional Division Promoter
*Mr. Steve O’Brian Professional Division Judge/Promoter
*Mr. Gary Udit Professional Division Judge/Promoter
*Mr. John Tuman Professional Division Judge/Promoter
*Mr. Joe Palumbo Professional Division Expeditor
*Mr. Matt Bristol Professional Division Expeditor
*Mr. Bill Tierney Professional Division Judge
*Ms. Wanda Tierney Professional Division Judge
*Mrs. Amy Wilkins Professional Division Expeditor/recorder of minutes
*Observer, no vote
I. CALL TO ORDER
Mr. Manion welcomed and called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m.
II. AGENDA ITEMS
Women’s Bodybuilding No Proposals Betty Pariso
Fitness No Proposals Adela Garcia
Figure No Proposals Jenny Lynn
Men’s Bodybuilding Eight Proposals Bob Cicherillo
The following items were proposed and voted upon by members of the IFBB Professional Division Management Team:
A. For all IFBB Pro competitions, a bodybuilder from Italy proposed having two weight classes; under 200 pounds and over 200 pounds.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was denied.
B. Upon the promoters approval, request registered IFBB Pro’s receive two free tickets to all IFBB sanctioned shows upon presentation of current IFBB Pro card.
In regards to this proposal, the following items were discussed:
- IFBB Pro’s must contact the promoter and request the tickets at least two weeks
prior to the competition date.
- Must act accordingly
- The tickets will be designated by the promoter.
- IFBB Pro’s may be asked to participate and present trophy during competition.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
C. Recommend the IFBB guarantee’s purses for IFBB sanctioned competitions. Mr. Manion informed group that from this point forward, if a promoter did not pay the purse, he (Mr. Manion) would take on this expense and make all payments.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
D. Recommend all official information related to IFBB competitions be added and updated accordingly on the official site of the IFBB, www.ifbb.com/Pro Division. Mr. Tony Blinn is the webmaster for the site and all information related to competitions will be sent to him in a timely manner so he can post it.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
E. Recommend judges individual scores to be made public after completion of contest.
- An IFBB judge will e-mail or fax scores to Tony Blinn to be posted on website.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
F. Recommend current IFBB scoring format be replaced by NPC system of scoring and/or amended, specifically the posing round.
-Eliminate posing round except for entertainment value.
-All registered male and female bodybuilding athletes must vote. Registered athletes will be contacted by their respective athlete rep. Please send vote responses to respective reps by 15 Dec 05.
-Optional for the promoter to provide prize money or a trophy.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted however, awaiting voting results from registered athletes (Item Open).
G. Recommend a mandatory number of athletes (4 – 6) be provided free airfare/hotel costs by the promoter.
- This item is left to the discretion of each promoter.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was denied.
H. Recommend Olympia qualifying placing to extend to next highest placing athletes in the event of athletes already being qualified in the top three.
- If top three are already qualified for the Olympia, then the fourth place will winner will qualify for the Olympia.
- If the top four have already qualified for the Olympia, no additional qualifications will be permitted.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
I. Recommend purse of IFBB sanctioned shows to have a mandatory increase of 10% of total purse, every third year of shows existence (applicable to shows with total purse under 50K). Shows with 50K + purse to increase 5% every third year.
- Promoters will try to increase prize money when possible however, they strongly disagree with being mandated to increase the prize money.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was denied.
III. CLOSING COMMENTS:
- In regards to registered IFBB athletes competing and/or providing seminars to other organizations, the following rule from the IFBB Professional Rules (2005 Edition), will be enforced:
14.9 Non-sanctioned Events:
Any IFBB professional athlete, judge or official who participates at a competition or event not approved or sanctioned by the IFBB may be fined, suspended or expelled. Participation shall include, but shall not be limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, lecture or similar presentation, judging, officiating and/or taking part in a non-IFBB sanctioned competition or event in any other way, shape, or form.
- IFBB registered athletes interested in serving as athlete reps for 2006 should contact Mr. Manion by 1 December 2005 at:
IFBB Professional Division
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15230
USA
Toll Free: 1-866-304-4322
Tel: (412) 276-5027
Fax: (412) 281-0470
E-mail: ifbbprodivision@aol.com
After reviewing the list on candidates, the IFBB Pro Division Office will send out a ballot (via e-mail) for registered athletes to select their choice to serve as the athlete rep. The voting period is 9 – 21 Dec 05. After all the ballots have been counted, those elected athlete reps will be notified by Mr. Manion during the last week of December ’05 and begin their duties on 1 Jan 06.
ADJOURNMENT
After reviewing and voting on all the agenda items, the IFBB Professional Division, meeting was adjourned at 5:00 p.m.
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Wow don't ask questions about the PDI. How can you say in many threads about what Bob hasn't done and then in this one (between the profanity) that he has no power to make any changes.
btw I never attacked you...EVER!
Mr. Onlyme is "confused" hence his anger and hostility, with his new addition - gay bashing. You know since we are gay lovers, Ms. NiceRacq. ::)
Let it go big guy. Just when we think you can't talk out of your ass any more you show up and do it yet again.
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I am more interested in hearing about the meeting that went on @ the Arnold classic?
And don't say what meeting.......
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because some of the claims he's made are totally unsubstantiated.
Like? I'm 4/4 with name anonuncements so far. Please list what statements I've made so far which have come up false?
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Okay. I post pieces that I have been given permission to share. I know more that I cannot share, and I don't claim to know it all. I'm just like anyone else- helping the PDI grow so the IFBB treats their guys right.
When BBers do well, the sport does well, and I sell more sites :)
I don't wish the IFBB to crash, but I do wish they'd judge fairly and pay better. how can Gustavo take 3rd at the O after NOT RECEIVING A COMPARISON with either Jay or Ronnie? AND, after winning the challenge round? It's unfair.
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We all know this isn't even remotely close to SAG. It's more then just Darrem that is owed money. Payment should have come from the promoter. End of story - nice try on passing the buck back on the IFBB though. What about the point of this individual having a clothing business - surely he makes enough income off that to pay off his debt. 2 years and these guys still haven't been paid? No excuse can justify that.
Isaac, please stop speaking matter of factly on things that you have absolutely no idea about.
I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.
The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem????
Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.
But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.
All of the details surrounding the entire issue will be coming to light very soon, this I guarantee. They have been oppressed up until know for various reasons. Stay tuned....
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Isaac, please stop speaking matter of factly on things that you have absolutely no idea about.
I am well aware that the athletes still haven't been paid and this promoter is responsible for paying them. 2 years without paying the athletes. Oh what there is more to it then his obligation to pay the competitors? It speaks to his character and now the PDI's character that he is their first show promoter.
That's not top secret information and is pretty much matter of fact as it gets. How can you dispute that?
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Okay good he now covers the prize money. A little late but it is done now and good job Chic. Getting a little tiresome arguing with idiots like Lift Pud and now Nice Rag. You guys hang with the IFBB who has the reputation and history of not supporting the BB's and actually going in reverse rather than forward in progression. There are how many IFBB competitions 3 maybe 4 or 5 a year. Only the top 5 to 8 make any real money from actual competition. The majority of the registered IFBB pros don't even compete or they compete only once a year. No short person will ever win a major contest. The judging has been known to be shady for many years.
The PDI has no history, yet you bash it everyday. I know you can be loyal to something but at sometime you have to realize you are supporting something that is going nowhere. The biggest BB show in history is the biggest BB joke in history at the same time. Are you proud of that too. ??? I give up arguing with you I will go ahead and support Wayne cause at least he is doing something positive. I can't stand being negative and you guys make me very negative. Go ahead make fun of me on how big I am now. Thats all the ammo you guys got. But like my therapist always told me. "Keith it's better to be a has been than a never will be." hehe I love that line. ;D
Damn Keith you really do have your head up your ass as of late. Maybe all that sunning you are doing is frying your brain.
There are how many IFBB competitions 3 maybe 4 or 5 a year.
What rock have you been living under?
Only the top 5 to 8 make any real money from actual competition.
Are you claiming that in the PDI the competitors out of the top 8 will make any "real money"? What organization is going to pay a 15th place guy "real money" - hey you showed up and we'll overlook the fact that you suck but here's 10 grand. Paaahlllease.
No short person will ever win a major contest.
WTF - again are you living in a f'n cave? Um ya Keith I'm going to have to ask you to stop talking out of your ass, yet again. Last I checked, your newly appointed golden boy of the PDI is no frickin tower and just won the IRONMAN.
The PDI has no history, yet you bash it everyday.
How is it bashed? By asking questions and stating the obvious? Are Lee and Vince good competitors - yes and until then it had no credibility. Will more info come out? Of course but don't expect everyone to be on Wayne's sack because not all of us are living bitter lives of NPC/IFBB past. Let it go and move on with your life.
But like my therapist always told me.
Perhaps you need an extra session, because YOU are the negative one. Disrespecting the Weiders with your continual "weiner" posts. You were an NPC/IFBB guy until you lost your ass on a show and you're still bitter about it. Being a PDI promoter won't change that and chances are highly likely you will fall flat on your face attempting to promote one of their shows.
Wow, guess I saved you the money for your extra therapy session. Now go back under that rock.
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I am w/ you Isaac. This Keith onlyme guy has the biggest NPC/IFBB chip on his shoulder I have ever seen. Talk about someone w/ the most closed minded views I have ever heard.
The NPC/IFBB could hand out million dollar contracts to every athlete tomorrow and Keith would find away to bitch and moan and complain.
I think Isaac and I and about a kazillion other people are just sick of his whining.
And don't forget he supposedly put on this awesome contest, that was the best promoted show ever, and no other promoter treats the athletes like he did yak yak yak waw waw waw. Just go away already.
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I am w/ you Isaac. This Keith onlyme guy has the biggest NPC/IFBB chip on his shoulder I have ever seen. Talk about someone w/ the most closed minded views I have ever heard.
The NPC/IFBB could hand out million dollar contracts to every athlete tomorrow and Keith would find away to bitch and moan and complain.
I think Isaac and I and about a kazillion other people are just sick of his whining.
And don't forget he supposedly put on this awesome contest, that was the best promoted show ever, and no other promoter treats the athletes like he did yak yak yak waw waw waw. Just go away already.
His experience with Weider was not the best.
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Actually I didn't have a huge chip on my shoulder even though I should until coming on here. I usually let things go after a short while and leave it as a lesson in life and take whatever financial hit with a grain of salt. But since I come on here so much and read what some of you people think about these things it brings back the nightmares. You (if it applies) along with some others on here talk out of their ass when they praise the IFBB or NPC, Weiders or Manion. You talk like they are god. Like they can do no wrong. Well what that tells me is you NEVER dealt with them directly. You go by what you hear or read. Sorry, but I go by real life facts and things that happened to me personally and the people around me. I know people that have known Manion before he was NPC chairman. I know who voted him in. My kids godfather has so many stories I beg him to come on here but no computer. So I see your gods as nothing but people who take advantage of others who either don't know any better or don't have a choice. Now the PDI is here offering a choice so I am behind them all the way. I could care less if the IFBB stays around. It is literally impossible for them to fold, but no matter what the PDI is here and it's going to make everything allot better and intersting to say the least.
See, now there you go saying things just to say them. This is like saying Jocelyn Pelliteir will win this years Olympia or next years. IMPOSSIBLE WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
If you are sick of it then leave. Bye Bye. Don't read my posts. Simple dipshit. Don't read. It's guys like you with no guts who let people take advantage of you while theymake the money and you don't. Have some balls and speak up. You type a good game but thats it. I've lived the game I don't live it through the internet.
hehe ;D another waste of space and time. You are one of theose internet jockeys who couldn't make it in the real world so you come on here and act like you know. And lets pretend like you do know. Then you are as ignorant as the guys who don't.
Half the people talk on here out of their asses. No experience, no knowledge no nothing. I may get some and probably allot of stuff mixed up in my translation but I do know what I am talking about and I do not speak out of my huge ass (as Shawn would say). Lately I have been pretty shitty on here cause I am getting frustrated defending the PDI against guys who are hoping it fails from the start. Idon't need to defend the PDI or Wayne. Wayne must have done someting right cause he has been around along time and Manion and the Weiders had him running the biggest BB shows in the world. And it was proven that he was a major part of their success because it immeidatly went downhill very fast.
Anyway, I have decided not to argue with you guys anymore cause it is useless. I will go ahead and support Wayne and work on my show. It looks like its going to be great. Stay tuned.
And yes the guys who are going say meltdown, owned or pwned or whatever else. DOubt it. I'm way stronger mentally and physically than you can imagine. I have always been upfront my whole life and rarely hide anything. SO if that is called meltdown then please melt away and try to include some fat with it. ;D
This post is definitely long enough to qualify................. .............Meltdown.
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This post is definitely long enough to qualify................. .............Meltdown.
Thanks, I needed that. Finally!
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Keith, disappear will ya.
Your input changes nothing, means nothing and you should be out walking or dieting if the truth be told.
End story, we love ya.
PEACE OUT!
EVERYBODY FROM GET BIG!
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Shawn,
As a black man, I'm offended by the guy in blackface on the far right in that photo you keep posting. As a retarded man, I'm offended by the guy in the middle, and as a Brit, I'm offended by the guy with the busted grill. Please stop offending me. I'm a sensitive guy.
Triumph "I take Poops bigger than your daughter" Insult Comic Dog
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Shawn as a black man I too am embarrased by you. Being white I am also embarassed by you. Being a man I am really embarrased by you. Being a man of integrity I feel good about myself cause you aren't even close in my league. Must suck being you.
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Keith, sorry brudda...............But your are far from being WHITE!
Pictures anyone.................. ............. ;D
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Keith, sorry brudda...............But your are far from being WHITE!
Pictures anyone.................. ............. ;D
What does onlyme look like now?
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Come on, he can't be that bad ::)
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What does onlyme look like now?
A better question is what does Shawn look like now and the answer is FAT. That tranny loving RAT is a hypocrite in the extreme for calling onlyme fat and showing pictures of himself from years ago.
Memo to the tranny loving RAT you don't look like that anymore.
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A better question is what does Shawn look like now and the answer is FAT. That tranny loving RAT is a hypocrite in the extreme for calling onlyme fat and showing pictures of himself from years ago.
Memo to the tranny loving RAT you don't look like that anymore.
Come on, tell us how you really feel. :o
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Come on, tell us how you really feel. :o
Tragically as LuciusFox would point out my post was damn close to a Meltdown.
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Shawn,
As a black man, I'm offended by the guy in blackface on the far right in that photo you keep posting. As a retarded man, I'm offended by the guy in the middle, and as a Brit, I'm offended by the guy with the busted grill. Please stop offending me. I'm a sensitive guy.
LMAO!
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Here's the bottom line: It can only do good for the sport, to have someone else enter the picture......of course its a big deal ....cuz that someone is Demilia.
Should be fun to watch as the weeks go by.
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I agree. But since I got labled as a PDI hater for asking questions it is going to be even more fun ;)
Remember, Bitching is your hobby!! ;D
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Honey you neither a hater or lover or in real terms really matter. You opinion is right up there with John Lewis. You are groupie, thats it. You have live with that, just like Shawn has live with being Shawn. It must suck to be you too.
Another post indicating an impending meltdown.
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Another post indicating an impending meltdown.
Meltdown Whore.
As much as I think it's hypocritical of a fat Shawn Ray to be calling out onlyme for being fat I have to admit that picture of the fat kid standing naked with onlyme's head photoshopped onto it is hilarious.
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Oh yeah?!! Well I don't think you have a nice rack, so prove me wrong with a picture. :D
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you want a picture of Keith :-X
Is weedoutheweek straight?
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Meltdown Whore.
As much as I think it's hypocritical of a fat Shawn Ray to be calling out onlyme for being fat I have to admit that picture of the fat kid standing naked with onlyme's head photoshopped onto it is hilarious.
You need to do some cardio, effin. Thats why your fat.
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Nice Rag what is your real name. You sound like the type of chic you would only want to do from behind and with something in your mouth so you don't have to listen to you. You aren't Shawna's main squeeze are you. You are one of those tranny things too aren't you. My mom was 5'3 her clothes wouldn't have fit me. But, maybe next time you are over at Shawn's blowing him while his wife is away you can pick up some stuff for yourself. How do you know Wayne likes blondes
Meltdown level anger, but you managed to hold yourself together well.
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You need to do some cardio, effin. Thats why your fat.
Horsey, I hate cardio, doesn't mean I don't do it. Nice try though, horse lover.
Oh, and it's you're, not your. Keep plugging away though, you'll get it.
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Lucious you use the meltdown thing way to much and now you got Nice Rag doing it. Understand that you can only meltdown when you have nothing going for you, you have no options, you are at the end, you have not acheived anything in your life. Now with that you could very easily along with Nice Rag qualify as a meltdown. Another thing that would qualify as a meltdown is what you would do if you saw me in person, face to face. Everyone's tough on the internet, even Nice Rag and even Shawna. Too bad that don't don't count in real life. :)
All right, I'll admit that was funny. ;D ;D
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All right, I'll admit that was funny. ;D ;D
meltdown ;D
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meltdown ;D
I didn't melt down, you stupid fucking moron! >:( Fuck you! >:( >:( >:( I hope your grandchildren have lots of freckles, you God-forsaken island >:(
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Someone in this thread is making such an ass of themself it is truly amazing to watch 8)
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onlyme why didn't you post YOUR pre-op photo? You sexy bitch, we love you know matter what these IFBB stooges say on here. :-*
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Horsey, I hate cardio, doesn't mean I don't do it. Nice try though, horse lover.
Oh, and it's you're, not your. Keep plugging away though, you'll get it.
Thanks for the support. :D. Theres way to little of it around here. 8)
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I didn't melt down, you stupid fucking moron! >:( f**k you! >:( >:( >:( I hope your grandchildren have lots of freckles, you God-forsaken island >:(
Guess what this is? Anyone? Anyone?
Nice job LuciusFox, I know you did this purposely all so we could call meltdown.
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Thanks for the support. :D. Theres way to little of it around here. 8)
Nice meltdown deflection.
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Nice meltdown deflection.
;D
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Thanks for the support. :D. Theres way to little of it around here. 8)
You got it buddy, although it's "too" not to.
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Guess what this is? Anyone? Anyone?
Nice job LuciusFox, I know you did this purposely all so we could call meltdown.
Somebody call it please ;D
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You got it buddy, although it's "too" not to.
oh shit, he deflected the meltdown back at war-horse.
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oh shit, he deflected the meltdown back at war-horse.
;D
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oh shit, he deflected the meltdown back at war-horse.
All hell is breaking loose around here!!!! >:( ;D
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All hell is breaking loose around here!!!! >:( ;D
This is now the "X" Thread
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Keith, I noticed you avoided comment on my response, maybe it was the language barrier. Let me know if you need help on understanding facts in English.
When you're done melting down on the ladies of getbig, let us know how much your therapy sessions are and I'll start a fund to help you get more help or perhaps a different therapist.
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Keith, I noticed you avoided comment on my response, maybe it was the language barrie. Let me know if you need help on understanding facts in English.
When you're done melting down on the ladies of getbig, let us know how much your therapy sessions are and I'll start a fund to help you get more help or perhaps a different therapist.
;D
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Lift Pud what comment I didn't see it. was it about the therapy. Just like I thought you believed I took therapy. But if you want you can start a fund for me anyway. God with all that dough your bringing in making sites you must be rolling. ;D Not sure how you and your girl Nice Rag got me to lower myself to your level but it is interesting. I never seen two people who have acheived and done so little with their lives attacking me. It is defintiely an experience to see how low people get. At least Shawn and Chic have done something in their lives. You two are just wannabes whatevers all over me. It is refreshing to know their are people like you out there. Keeps me grounded. God I hope in person at the Olympia you are still so bold.
And realize this. After this I go to either my pool or open the gate and go to the beach. Then I go to the gym and still lift more than you will in your life. Then I come home rest checkin here go diving or paddle. Then I go to the store then Blockbusters and then back home. Sometimes I might go bodysurfing (yes like a small boat). I don't worry about money EVER. I have a new business that has taken off like crazy. I may be fat now but my life is and has been a whole lot better than yours will ever be. And thats a fact even you can't distort. So go ahead make you pointless fat jokes and jabs at me. They do nothing. They make you feel better which is your intention. That is good. Insecure and small people do that. I understand. So please go ahead and use me to increase your confidence. Hopefully it will be so strong that at the Olympia you will have the balls to come up and say hi to me. I'll be at the craps tables at the Orleans the majority of the time. Have a good day.
And do we know your real name yet Nice Rag. I think we know Lift Pud (who cares though).
It's right above the one you took the time to disect on page 8 but that's okay. For you not being a fan of the IFBB, why would you go and support the Olympia or are you a secret PDI mission and can't discuss the details? I'll come up and introduce myself and Ron can take a photo, so I can cherish the moment.
Yes, you dwarf me and don't worry you're not fat you're just fluffy.
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And the battle continues... ;D
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WOW I leave for while and Keith is getting the shit kicked out of him. Keith what's happening? Why are these two guys picking on you. Who is Nice Rag or whoever. Lift Studio is just a webmaster I know that. So his posts don't mean much. But who is this other guy. And I don't think Keith is threatening either of you. He really doesn't need too. Fill me in I've been i fucking Hong Kong for almost 4 months. I am finally home. Got to catch up. My fricking fridge is broken. I hope Gold's Venice is still in business.
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Did you pay the admission fee for this show?
Nope, it's like the free WWF I used to watch on Saturdays as a kid ;D
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Man I am reading more and more of these posts. Keith what the fuck are you doing. Why you even giving these two the glory of all this shit. Guys not done reading everything here yet but I have known this dude since the early 80's and went to the Olympia with him in 2000. You must have really got him pissed at something. Cause this mother fucker is the coolest guy I've met. Not only is he strong as all shit he is the funniest dude anywhere. Keith remember Nasser in the elevator. YOu had him crying his ass off he was laughing so hard. That lady was going to mace him. Anyway something is wrong here. I got to keep reading.
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WOW I leave for while and Keith is getting the shit kicked out of him. Keith what's happening? Why are these two guys picking on you. Who is Nice Rag or whoever. Lift Studio is just a webmaster I know that. So his posts don't mean much. But who is this other guy. And I don't think Keith is threatening either of you. He really doesn't need too. Fill me in I've been i fucking Hong Kong for almost 4 months. I am finally home. Got to catch up. My fricking fridge is broken. I hope Gold's Venice is still in business.
I write and photograph for NPC NEWS as well as help in the marketing of other NPC/IFBB shows. It is clear my loyalty is with the NPC/IFBB, I don't hide that fact. I've competed in 2 NPC shows and had my ass handed to me both times. Keith likes to put out his side of the story but avoids the facts when it comes to this he spouts off about. Get your fridge fixed and ask NiceRacq for the cliff notes on this thread.
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Holy shit Keith bro I'm calling your ass this weekend. You fat fuck. Knock this off. First off quit with Chic. You like him before what happened. This Nice Rack seems okay too. A little pushy but not that bad just wants to know answers it seems. But why are you asking Keith. Is PDI the new organization thing with Wayne. Is Keith part of that now. Man, I swear I haven't heard shit since around December or so. The whole has changed. And fuck Shawn. I do like the pics of you man thats on here though. Folks Keith is way overweight now but doesn't look like your typical fat slob. He had 20+ years of lifting unreal weight and the strongest fuck in any gym we went too. His weight went all around hig gut and ass. His right calf is gross as all fuck too. But he said it was better. I'd give him some slack on the fat crap. Fat don't have strength. And he has a ton of strength. Got to keep reading
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Nope, it's like the free WWF I used to watch on Saturdays as a kid ;D
yeah, but there was more titty on WWF ;D
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I write and photograph for NPC NEWS as well as help in the marketing of other NPC/IFBB shows. It is clear my loyalty is with the NPC/IFBB, I don't hide that fact. I've competed in 2 NPC shows and had my ass handed to me both times. Keith likes to put out his side of the story but avoids the facts when it comes to this he spouts off about. Get your fridge fixed and ask NiceRacq for the cliff notes on this thread.
Okay I gotta go after this. This is one of the funniest threads ever on Getbig. You guys goota chill big time. Firts off I haven't talked to Keith since like Christmas or so. So I don't nothing about what is happening here with this PDI but I will by the end of the weekend. I'll call Wayne and see. I highly duobt Keith works for Wayne. I know he talks to Wayne allot. If anything I see Keith maybe doing a show in Hawaii, but thats about it unless him and Wayne are doing something.
Lift I see why you have your loyalty to the NPC and IFBB That is great. Did Keith know this about you. I can't belive some of the shit he is saying. You guys definitely got to him. I can't wait to talk to him. I read somewhere on here about money or whatever. Keith may have some money, he defintiely had allot back in the 90's when he had that suntan lotion company but he is nothing like he was. I do know i have to call him on weekends cause it is free on his cell phone. His cell phone bill is over $300 every month and he hates paying it. He defintiely ain't cheap. I heard his clothign company is doing really good. I have find out about that and get some shirts. But, you guys are being harsh on him. He really is a good guy. He has changed allot since his spider bit ordeal. It's tough whathe went through and he doesn't talk about it much. But, I had to see it and listening to him for about 2 years when we both lived in Vegas and trained at the Gold's there on Decatur. Very depressed. He is like my brother now. We knew allot of the same people and he is really one guy if you ever get a chance to train with you should. It is amazing how strong and easy he makes things look. So, for sure you guys got to him for him to talk like this. I hope you gets his act together in here cause it is really making him look bad. I gotta go before I can't get a new fridge today.
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This petty Girl wants an apology...and a pony
Told ya she was into horses, dude...
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Told ya she was into horses, dude...
Warhorse can deliver!!!! Test levels are crazy high.
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Warhorse can deliver!!!! Test levels are crazy high.
Sweet.
However I hear she'll only go for a ride if you're hung like a 3rd tier mule...
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Sweet.
However I hear she'll only go for a ride if you're hung like a 3rd tier mule...
Dammit. Warhorse is a stallion...not a gelding. >:( ;D
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240 even got laid once.... maybe
SpiceRacq, you are correct.
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Hey I think I will go for this show, why not, if I beat anyone in my class (get 18th out of 19 guys), I can say I went down in final blaze of bodybuilding glory and came "within a whisker" of a pro card ???
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Dude is that you!!!!!! I changes my number I will PM you. What happened in KongHong. Did you see Melanie? She misses me uh. Call me over the weekend. And thanks for letting everyone know that too. Nice Rag, sorry.
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Dude is that you!!!!!! I changes my number I will PM you. What happened in KongHong. Did you see Melanie? She misses me uh. Call me over the weekend. And thanks for letting everyone know that too. Nice Rag, sorry.
Your a bigger man then I thought you were (NOT a fat joke). Apology accpeted and I apologize to you.
I will delete all my posts as well and kill our online spat.
I still blame Lift for all this though... ;)
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SpiceRacq, will you be PMing Bob Chick to console him tomorrow if his side dish goes home with Pavol?
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SpiceRacq, will you be PMing Bob Chick to console him tomorrow if his side dish goes home with Pavol?
Too be honest I have never contacted him... Don't want him thinking all my stuff about stalking might be real.
But I will PM you to rub it in when he wins ;D
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But I will PM you to rub it in when he wins ;D
And I'll be rubbing one out when you do ;)
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I still blame Lift for all this though... ;)
I'll see you at the bike racks after school on Monday. >:(
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I'll see you at the bike racks after school on Monday. >:(
LMAO. ;D