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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Al-Gebra on April 10, 2006, 11:08:27 AM
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pics brought to you courtesy Light Weight on bodybuildingdungeon.com and ronnie's chambermaid, GlennR222
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Look at the oil ladden left calf in the last pic!
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he looks good, better than he did last offseason for sure.
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Look at the oil ladden left calf in the last pic!
brother, did the Lord give you a word of knowledge about Ronnie's left calf? Perhaps you should treat that false calf in the same way that Moses treated the golden calf.
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those dont seem to be current pics as ronnie is too big (aint he kinda small now as he takes time off the supplements to relax) and lets get real, from the other pics we have seen the damn triceps (tendon) is torn pretty bad. we know he doesnt have bursitis.
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brother, did the Lord give you a word of knowledge about Ronnie's left calf? Perhaps you should treat that false calf in the same way that Moses treated the golden calf.
does it look kosher to you?
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those dont seem to be current pics as ronnie is too big (aint he kinda small now as he takes time off the supplements to relax) and lets get real, from the other pics we have seen the damn triceps (tendon) is torn pretty bad. we know he doesnt have bursitis.
hey man, Glennr2222 says they're new . . . and he is very close to ronnie.
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does it look kosher to you?
I wouldn't swear to it either way.
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leftri
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monster leaves
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63990.0;attach=73235;image)
He shoudn't wear those pants in public.....look's like an old lady!!!!
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The calves do look fishy and small to boot !!
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I thought that Mu-something-guy who met ronnie in san diego said that ronnie's calves were as big or bigger than cutler's . . . and he'd seen them both in the last month or so. i blame the tights . . .
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Ronnie asks if tights make his ass look big
No need to ask. That rear is a giagantic. :-X
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63990.0;attach=73235;image)
He shoudn't wear those pants in public.....look's like an old lady!!!!
the second from the far left African-American gentleman and the white dude next to him seem to be mesmerized by whatever they're looking at.
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Uh oh, this thread shows some pics that make Big Ron look less than great.
How long before Hulkster posts some old pics of Big Ron? How long before he defends those pathetic excuse for a pair of calves?
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Why does every single person in the photo have the exact same haircut? Is Ronny giving a seminar at the Brooklyn Barber College? >:(
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Why does every single person in the photo have the exact same haircut? Is Ronny giving a seminar at the Brooklyn Barber College? >:(
Hitler jugend.
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hitler youth didnt have to have buzzcuts ::)
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The calves do look fishy and small to boot !!
What looks fishy is Ronnie's 8 Mr. Olympia victories compared to Dorian's measly 6 victories.
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What looks fishy is Ronnie's 8 Mr. Olympia victories compared to Dorian's measly 6 victories.
dorian's victories dwarf you.
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dorian's victories dwarf you.
You're making me feel like a loser :-[
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Yeah... it would SUCK to have calves like this. ::)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63990.0;attach=73233;image)
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Yeah... it would SUCK to have calves like this. ::)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63990.0;attach=73233;image)
That is a round muscle belly! :o
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What looks fishy is Ronnie's 8 Mr. Olympia victories compared to Dorian's measly 6 victories.
Out of Ronnie's 8 wins just 2 were perfect scores and all of Yates' were with perfect scores ;)
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Out of Ronnie's 8 wins just 2 were perfect scores and all of Yates' were with perfect scores ;)
It is irrelevant. A win is a win, whether it's by an inch or mile. Besides, we both know neither Dorian nor Ronnie deserved perfect scores ::)
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Out of Ronnie's 8 wins just 2 were perfect scores and all of Yates' were with perfect scores ;)
funny cause yates was far from perfect
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I have already showed ad nausem that in the past scores for the top spots were normalized and are therefore meaningless at face value. Only their relative positions given by the values have ANY MERIT whatsoever.
eg. there have been several Mr. O's where the top three scored 5, 10 and 15 respectively IN EACH round, while others below had real scores, like 13, 14, 54 etc.
But then again, ND has never paid attention to stuff like this...
he just goes on giving false arguments about scoring to bolster his hero Yates' declining image without actually looking at what the numbers mean or their relevance..
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I have already showed ad nausem that in the past scores for the top spots were normalized and are therefore meaningless at face value. Only their relative positions given by the values have ANY MERIT whatsoever.
eg. there have been several Mr. O's where the top three scored 5, 10 and 15 respectively IN EACH round, while others below had real scores, like 13, 14, 54 etc.
But then again, ND has never paid attention to stuff like this...
he just goes on giving false arguments about scoring to bolster his hero Yates' declining image without actually looking at what the numbers mean or their relevance..
ND is a delusional guy with a massive shrine of Dorian.
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ND is a delusional guy with a massive shrine of Dorian.
lol - the guy worships the following physiques:
Dorian Yates (260 pound mass monster, blocky taper, gh gut)
Steve Revees and Frank Zane (190 pound classical physiques, classical tapers, no gut)
Makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it ::)
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lol - the guy worships the following physiques:
Dorian Yates (260 pound mass monster, blocky taper, gh gut)
Steve Revees and Frank Zane (190 pound classical physiques, classical tapers, no gut)
Makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it ::)
It is the strangest bodybuilding dichotomy I have ever seen.
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basically nd worships not-ronnie. as long as it's someone who could be said to have been better than ronnie at some point in his career, nd loves the guy.
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stranger than "Dorian Yates has better overall arms than Ronnie Coleman?"
for me, that is the single most retarded thing I have ever read on Getbig.
And its all thanks to ND! :)
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basically nd worships not-ronnie. as long as it's someone who could be said to have been better than ronnie at some point in his career, nd loves the guy.
and yet he claims he is not biased ::)
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stranger than "Dorian Yates has better overall arms than Ronnie Coleman?"
for me, that is the single most retarded thing I have ever read on Getbig.
And its all thanks to ND! :)
That had to be the worst thing ND has ever said or done, provided that he has not commited murder or rape.
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That had to be the worst thing ND has ever said or done, provided that he has not commited murder or rape.
it was at that point that I realized that ND was clinically insane and the ultimate Anti-Ronnie fan.
Those ironagers.. :)
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it was at that point that I realized that ND was clinically insane and the ultimate Anti-Ronnie fan.
Those ironagers.. :)
I hear that the Ironage site is kind of scary :-\
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it was at that point that I realized that ND was clinically insane and the ultimate Anti-Ronnie fan.
Those ironagers.. :)
An ironager worshipping Dorian? mhmhmhmm..... ::)
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An ironager worshipping Dorian? mhmhmhmm..... ::)
look no farther than ND.
Of course, he claims not to be an ironager, yet jerks off to Steve Reeve pics 8)..
and of course, it was over on the ironage board that he proclaimed Dorian to be "the last great Mr. Olympia".
I am registered there purely for amusement..
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See I usually try and stay out of these debates but you people tend to misquote me and I have to come school the children
Dorian isn't my hero , I wanted Flex Wheeler to beat him the Mr Olympia , I always felt Flex 1993 ASC is what bodybuilding is really about , Flex didn't win I'm mearly commenting on what happened not what I wanted to happen '
And you think my comments are retarded yet lets look at some of yours , Dorian shouldn't have won the 1994 Mr Olympia , this is basing it on a couple of pictures lol and not one single competitor said anything about his win lol you feel Shawn should have won yet he was actually trailing Levrone going into the posing round , but Hulkster basing Shawn should have won on a few pictures lol
Another retarded Hulkster statement Yates is overated bodybuilder of all time ::) oh boy , 6 Olympia wins with straight firsts , never placed lower than 2nd in a Pro contest , has only been beaten by 2 people , won the muscularity round in his first Mr Olympia contest to the greatest Mr Olympia ever , has a 88% win ratio , completed domiated the feild in 93 & 95 , set a new standard that others were trying to catch up to for years , set the bar for size & conditioning , faced a much higher quaility feild than most Mr Olympias , etc
So before you cast stones make sure you're not standing in your glass house .
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He pumped something into his calves for sure. What a joke. My calves are more impressive and they're natural. Best thing about calves...you can pump all the gear you want and they'll never change too much.
Natural since 94', you love it 240
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the fact that Yates won 6 olympia titles looks like he did shows that he is overrated.
Overrated = getting more than you deserve based on the merits of your physique.
And Yates, with 6 olympia titles, is the best (worst?) example of being overrated in bodybuilding.
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the fact that Yates won 6 olympia titles looks like he did shows that he is overrated.
Overrated = getting more than you deserve based on the merits of your physique.
And Yates, with 6 olympia titles, is the best (worst?) example of being overrated in bodybuilding.
See this is where your lack of knowlege about bodybuilding shines through , this statement solidifies your bias
Lets see out of his 8 Olympia wins just 2 have been with a perfect score ( Dorian all 6 ) , 4 have been close calls ( 4 points or less ) and the rest were a small lead , his first Mr Olympia he was dead last ( Dorian 2nd ) , over the course of Ronnie's career he has been beaten by Mauro Sarni , Ray McNeil , Milos Sarcev , Jim Quinn , David Dearth ,Flex Wheeler , Vince Taylor , Nasser El Sonbaty , Andreas Munzer ,
Pavol Jablonicky , Shawn Ray , Paul Dillett , Porter Cottrell , Chris
Cormier , Charles Clairmonte , Sonny Schmidt , Alq Gurley , Aaron
Baker , Thierry Pastel , Dorian Yates , Jean Pierre Fux , Michael
Francois , Gunter Schlierkamp , Kevin Levrone ( Dorian by just 2 , Momo & Haney ) Ronnie's win percentage is just 57% ( Dorian 88% ) lost a Pro contest while a Mr Olympia , has placed as low as dead last in a contest ( Dorian never finshed lower than 2nd ) faced decent opposition ( Yates among the best ) and now in all honesty who is overated? ;)
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See this is where your lack of knowlege about bodybuilding shines through , this statement solidifies your bias
Lets see out of his 8 Olympia wins just 2 have been with a perfect score ( Dorian all 6 ) , 4 have been close calls ( 4 points or less ) and the rest were a small lead , his first Mr Olympia he was dead last ( Dorian 2nd ) , over the course of Ronnie's career he has been beaten by Mauro Sarni , Ray McNeil , Milos Sarcev , Jim Quinn , David Dearth ,Flex Wheeler , Vince Taylor , Nasser El Sonbaty , Andreas Munzer ,
Pavol Jablonicky , Shawn Ray , Paul Dillett , Porter Cottrell , Chris
Cormier , Charles Clairmonte , Sonny Schmidt , Alq Gurley , Aaron
Baker , Thierry Pastel , Dorian Yates , Jean Pierre Fux , Michael
Francois , Gunter Schlierkamp , Kevin Levrone ( Dorian by just 2 , Momo & Haney ) Ronnie's win percentage is just 57% ( Dorian 88% ) lost a Pro contest while a Mr Olympia , has placed as low as dead last in a contest ( Dorian never finshed lower than 2nd ) faced decent opposition ( Yates among the best ) and now in all honesty who is overated? ;)
You don't seem to understand that having a great deal of success when people feel you are not worthy of it, is what it means to be overrated ::) It's not that complicated.
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ronnie has more pro victories than anyone and is tied for most olympia wins in a row, looking to beat the record. if you're going to go by what's on paper, nd, ronnie whips the shit out of dorian. and i'm a fan of dorian's, his black and white photos are favs of mine.
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ronnie has more pro victories than anyone and is tied for most olympia wins in a row, looking to beat the record. if you're going to go by what's on paper, nd, ronnie whips the shit out of dorian. and i'm a fan of dorian's, his black and white photos are favs of mine.
Does he ? Ronnie has been competing since 1992 to present thats 15 years and Yates competed for 8 years , Yates 15 wins in 8 years and Ronnie 26 wins in 15 years , thats just 11 wins with an extra 7 years
Ronnie entered 11 contests before he won a Pro show , Dorian just 2 , look at the win percentages and tell me who whips the shit out who , Dorian 88% and Ronnie 57%
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Does he ? Ronnie has been competing since 1992 to present thats 15 years and Yates competed for 8 years , Yates 15 wins in 8 years and Ronnie 26 wins in 15 years , thats just 11 wins with an extra 7 years
Ronnie entered 11 contests before he won a Pro show , Dorian just 2 , look at the win percentages and tell me who whips the shit out who , Dorian 88% and Ronnie 57%
That Ronnie was able to stay healthy only makes him a better example of a bodybuilder. Tearing muscles left and right and is not what bodybuilding is about. Win percentage is irrelevant to who was greater in their prime. Physique is what matters in this sport, especially given the subjective nature of judging.
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That Ronnie was able to stay healthy only makes him a better example of a bodybuilder. Tearing muscles left and right and is not what bodybuilding is about. Win percentage is irrelevant to who was greater in their prime. Physique is what matters in this sport, especially given the subjective nature of judging.
You beat me to it. Win % means zero. Of course if you have a shorter career you're probably going to have a higher win/loss ratio. Does that mean the Shadow was better than Ronnie? Anyone with vision and an unbiased eye can answer that one. The Sandows in Mr Colemans home might give you a clue. Last time I checked 8 is greater than 5 :)
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Does he ? Ronnie has been competing since 1992 to present thats 15 years and Yates competed for 8 years , Yates 15 wins in 8 years and Ronnie 26 wins in 15 years , thats just 11 wins with an extra 7 years
Ronnie entered 11 contests before he won a Pro show , Dorian just 2 , look at the win percentages and tell me who whips the shit out who , Dorian 88% and Ronnie 57%
Yeah ND, you are right! Ronnie is superior also for number of years in competition: 15-8!
MONSTER LONGEVITY!
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those dont seem to be current pics as ronnie is too big (aint he kinda small now as he takes time off the supplements to relax) and lets get real, from the other pics we have seen the damn triceps (tendon) is torn pretty bad. we know he doesnt have bursitis.
these shots are from April 8th 2006 in Colmar, France
i think ronnie started his quest for his ninth olympia right after the arnold classic, where he was really small. right now he is noticably bigger than 1 month before.....
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Yeah ND, you are right! Ronnie is superior also for number of years in competition: 15-8!
MONSTER LONGEVITY!
Yes Ronnie has had a long career and for the most part he has stayed injury free , and I just recalulated the numbers Ronnie entered 61 Pro contests and won 26 of them givining him an even lower average of 42% , to Dorians 88% , now you guys can say that means nothing , but what it does mean that Dorian almost won every Pro show he has entered , Ronnie entered almost 4 times many contests as Dorian ( 61 to 17 ) now if you want to compare Dorians 8 years as a Pro to Ronnies first 8 years , Dorian won 15 contests and Ronnie's 11 , so he has him beat at the same ammount of time , now if you want to compare Ronnies first 17 contests to Dorians 17 , Dorian has 15 wins and Ronnie has just 1 win , now what all of this basically means is Dorian was a winning machine , he was almost unbeatable , he never finished lower than 2nd in a Pro contest , it means that if he didn't drive himself into the ground he would have kept winning , it means he was one of the most dominant Pros ever to grace the IFBB , pretty impressive !!
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but what it does mean that Dorian almost won every Pro show he has entered ,
it means he was overrated.
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See this is where your lack of knowlege about bodybuilding shines through , this statement solidifies your bias
Lets see out of his 8 Olympia wins just 2 have been with a perfect score ( Dorian all 6 ) , 4 have been close calls ( 4 points or less ) and the rest were a small lead , his first Mr Olympia he was dead last ( Dorian 2nd ) , over the course of Ronnie's career he has been beaten by Mauro Sarni , Ray McNeil , Milos Sarcev , Jim Quinn , David Dearth ,Flex Wheeler , Vince Taylor , Nasser El Sonbaty , Andreas Munzer ,
Pavol Jablonicky , Shawn Ray , Paul Dillett , Porter Cottrell , Chris
Cormier , Charles Clairmonte , Sonny Schmidt , Alq Gurley , Aaron
Baker , Thierry Pastel , Dorian Yates , Jean Pierre Fux , Michael
Francois , Gunter Schlierkamp , Kevin Levrone ( Dorian by just 2 , Momo & Haney ) Ronnie's win percentage is just 57% ( Dorian 88% ) lost a Pro contest while a Mr Olympia , has placed as low as dead last in a contest ( Dorian never finshed lower than 2nd ) faced decent opposition ( Yates among the best ) and now in all honesty who is overated? ;)
you don't seem to understand that for the most part, scoring means nothing in the sense that you can't compared numerical values of different contests with different judges and use them as a basis for comparison.
As I have stated many times, if you looks at many olympia score sheets, the first three placings were given (5, 10 and 15) respectively in each round.
Clearly, these are not subjective scores, they are "normalized" scores with the judges saying "okay, he's the best, give him 5, he is second best give him 10 etc).
But they do NOT do this with every contest.
Therefore it is totally wrong to compare actual score values between different contests.
this isn't difficult if you think about it.
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Yes Ronnie has had a long career and for the most part he has stayed injury free , and I just recalulated the numbers Ronnie entered 61 Pro contests and won 26 of them givining him an even lower average of 42% , to Dorians 88% , now you guys can say that means nothing , but what it does mean that Dorian almost won every Pro show he has entered , Ronnie entered almost 4 times many contests as Dorian ( 61 to 17 ) now if you want to compare Dorians 8 years as a Pro to Ronnies first 8 years , Dorian won 15 contests and Ronnie's 11 , so he has him beat at the same ammount of time , now if you want to compare Ronnies first 17 contests to Dorians 17 , Dorian has 15 wins and Ronnie has just 1 win , now what all of this basically means is Dorian was a winning machine , he was almost unbeatable , he never finished lower than 2nd in a Pro contest , it means that if he didn't drive himself into the ground he would have kept winning , it means he was one of the most dominant Pros ever to grace the IFBB , pretty impressive !!
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Look, I'm not arguing that Dorian's career was not impressive... But do you think that becoming Mr.O. at a younger competitive age it makes him superior to Ronnie?
Actually one can say that he reached the top too fast, and as a consequence he suffered of various injuries, and ruined his physique in a matter of years. Dorian stayed unbeaten for six years, Ronnie is (ok, except GNC 2002) unbeaten for 8 years and counting.
Remember that during his reign Ronnie competed many times through the entire year. I think he's the only athlete so far, to be Mr.O and Arnold Classic Champion in the same year (2001).
Ronnie deserves our admiration for his perseverance, he never gave up. Dorian's comet decayed fast because of its same speed.
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That ass is so big it looks like it was photo shopped
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Look, I'm not arguing that Dorian's career was not impressive... But do you think that becoming Mr.O. at a younger competitive age it makes him superior to Ronnie?
Actually one can say that he reached the top too fast, and as a consequence he suffered of various injuries, and ruined his physique in a matter of years. Dorian stayed unbeaten for six years, Ronnie is (ok, except GNC 2002) unbeaten for 8 years and counting.
Remember that during his reign Ronnie competed many times through the entire year. I think he's the only athlete so far, to be Mr.O and Arnold Classic Champion in the same year (2001).
Ronnie deserves our admiration for his perseverance, he never gave up. Dorian's comet decayed fast because of its same speed.
Ronnie has had a great career 26 wins and 8 of those Olympias and a Arnold classic , no one can take that from him , but there is this myth that Ronnie is unstopable and unbeatable and I was mearly quoting those figures in response to Hulkster calling Yates overated when he was one of the most dominate IFBB Pros ever .
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I was mearly quoting those figures in response to Hulkster calling Yates overated when he was one of the most dominate IFBB Pros ever .
hence the reason why he was overrated!
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Ronnie "i have the hindquarters of a draft horse" coleman's ass beats the shit out of Dorian's every day of the week and twice on sundays.
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As I have stated many times, if you looks at many olympia score sheets, the first three placings were given (5, 10 and 15) respectively in each round.
Clearly, these are not subjective scores, they are "normalized" scores with the judges saying "okay, he's the best, give him 5, he is second best give him 10 etc).
But they do NOT do this with every contest.
Contests today are scored the same way they were when Dorian was competing. Each competitor is scored 1,2,3,4....etc. for each round. Add up these scores from the 5 judges, and that's the total for the round. So, if a competitor gets a 5 for the round, that means he received straight firsts. A 10 might indicate straight 2nds, or it could be another combination that equals 10 such as three 2nds, one 1st, and one 3rd. It has nothing to do with normalization.
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Yes Ronnie has had a long career and for the most part he has stayed injury free , and I just recalulated the numbers Ronnie entered 61 Pro contests and won 26 of them givining him an even lower average of 42% , to Dorians 88% , now you guys can say that means nothing , but what it does mean that Dorian almost won every Pro show he has entered , Ronnie entered almost 4 times many contests as Dorian ( 61 to 17 ) now if you want to compare Dorians 8 years as a Pro to Ronnies first 8 years , Dorian won 15 contests and Ronnie's 11 , so he has him beat at the same ammount of time , now if you want to compare Ronnies first 17 contests to Dorians 17 , Dorian has 15 wins and Ronnie has just 1 win , now what all of this basically means is Dorian was a winning machine , he was almost unbeatable , he never finished lower than 2nd in a Pro contest , it means that if he didn't drive himself into the ground he would have kept winning , it means he was one of the most dominant Pros ever to grace the IFBB , pretty impressive !!
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You don't seem to understand that Ronnie has won more Mr. Olympia contests, has been healthier and showed more perserverance. Ronnie is what bodybuilding is about, not some no-armed Brit that tore so many muscles he had to retire.
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You don't seem to understand that Ronnie has won more Mr. Olympia contests, has been healthier and showed more perserverance. Ronnie is what bodybuilding is about, not some no-armed Brit that tore so many muscles he had to retire.
Meltdown ;)
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hence the reason why he was overrated!
Nuclear Meltdown !! ;)
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Meltdown ;)
Damn it >:(
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Contests today are scored the same way they were when Dorian was competing. Each competitor is scored 1,2,3,4....etc. for each round. Add up these scores from the 5 judges, and that's the total for the round. So, if a competitor gets a 5 for the round, that means he received straight firsts. A 10 might indicate straight 2nds, or it could be another combination that equals 10 such as three 2nds, one 1st, and one 3rd. It has nothing to do with normalization.
yes it does.
Do you really think that the top 3 guys in a given Mr. O. were given scores like this (1999 for example):
1 Ronnie Coleman USA 5 5 5 5 20
2 Flex Wheeler USA 10 10 10 10 40
3 Chris Cormier USA 15 15 15 15 60
if they were not "normalized" in the judges minds? The judges were clearly giving scores that reflected the relative placements of the competitors as they saw fit.
The fact that there was a difference of 5 points between EACH competitor in EACH round makes it pretty obvious that the scores reflect nothing more than assigned placements.
Thus, you CANNOT use numerical values directly to compare different contests.
This means that saying that so and so won by 4 points in 1998 but someone else won by 6 points in 1999 is useless because you are not comparing similar scoring methods- sometimes the judges assigned the same value to each competitor with the exact same difference between different competitors and sometimes they did NOT.
eg. here is another Mr. Olympia (2002)
1 Ronnie Coleman USA 5 5 11 8 29
2 Kevin Levrone USA 15 11 5 7 38
3 Chris Cormier USA 10 14 18 17 59
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so, its easy to see whynumbers themselves mean nothing.
You can use PLACEMENTS in given round to argue a point, but you CANNOT use NUMERICAL VALUES to argue a point because the system of assigning the values (as I have shown above) differs from contest to contest.
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this may be broken record mountain, but at least most people agree with my side of the debate :)
ronnie>>Dorian.
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the fact that Yates won 6 olympia titles looks like he did shows that he is overrated.
Overrated = getting more than you deserve based on the merits of your physique.
And Yates, with 6 olympia titles, is the best (worst?) example of being overrated in bodybuilding.
actually, the fact that Coleman won anything past 98 & 99 clearly prooves what a joke the mr olympia contest has become.
the man with the biggest belly wins hands down! what excellent judging criteria!
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actually, the fact that Coleman won anything past 98 & 99 clearly prooves what a joke the mr olympia contest has become.
the man with the biggest belly wins hands down! what excellent judging criteria!
Amen to that !! some one who gets it , 98/99 Ronnie looked fantastic post 99 all downhill !!
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actually, the fact that Coleman won anything past 98 & 99 clearly prooves what a joke the mr olympia contest has become.
the man with the biggest belly wins hands down! what excellent judging criteria!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo8.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/2000/finals/top6-02.jpg)
ah..no. ronnie may have a gut, but he has been a deserving winner due to declining competition. Just because he doesn't look like 1999 anymore does not in itself mean he should loose.
He is not competing against his 1999 self - this is something that guys like ND can't seem to grasp..
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Ronnie at his best beats Dorian at his best IN COMPETITION. Those B/W shots of Dorian look great but they weren't onstage therefore they are inadmissable.
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actually, the fact that Coleman won anything past 98 & 99 clearly prooves what a joke the mr olympia contest has become.
the man with the biggest belly wins hands down! what excellent judging criteria!
Meltdown.
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Just because he doesn't look like 1999 anymore does not in itself mean he should loose.
You are right. He should lose because he looks like 10 lbs of shit in a 5lb bag.
you can post your favorite "good" pictures of Coleman all day long,
but his disgusting 40" waist does not meet bodybuilding criteria for victory.
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Meltdown.
Meltdown is bigger than you.
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You are right. He should lose because he looks like 10 lbs of shit in a 5lb bag.
you can post your favorite "good" pictures of Coleman all day long,
but his disgusting 40" waist does not meet bodybuilding criteria for victory.
Meltdown #2
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(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/photos/655/Men/IMG_8416.jpg)
what 40 inch waist? here in 2005 his quads practically looked larger than his waist.
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(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/photos/655/Men/IMG_8416.jpg)
what 40 inch waist? here in 2005 his quads practically looked larger than his waist.
2005 his waist is wide and his gut sticks out , you can't deny this , it was better than 03/04 but it still sucks and shouldn't be on the best bodybuilder in the world , period , they should have stopped this nonsense with Yates , period !!
This is the midsection of a Mr Olympia !!
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2005 his waist is wide and his gut sticks out , you can't deny this , it was better than 03/04 but it still sucks and shouldn't be on the best bodybuilder in the world , period , they should have stopped this nonsense with Yates , period !!
This is the midsection of a Mr Olympia !!
His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.
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His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.
meltdown
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meltdown
>:(
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His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.
>:( >:( >:(
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His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.
umm..ND lost it (no, not his virginity, he's still workin' on that) a LOOOONGGGGGG time ago.
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>:(
double meltdown
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the second from the far left African-American gentleman and the white dude next to him seem to be mesmerized by whatever they're looking at.
its a fucking arab sandnigger u homo. get some glasses.
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Hitler jugend.
how comes some hitler youths are arabs?
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umm..ND lost it (no, not his virginity, he's still workin' on that) a LOOOONGGGGGG time ago.
>:( >:( >:(
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Ronnie is so big people forget how big he is. If there was no Ronnie Coleman and someone with his build came on the scene people would be shitting themselves.
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double meltdown
>:( >:(
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Do you really think that the top 3 guys in a given Mr. O. were given scores like this (1999 for example):
1 Ronnie Coleman USA 5 5 5 5 20
2 Flex Wheeler USA 10 10 10 10 40
3 Chris Cormier USA 15 15 15 15 60
The above example suggests that all the judges scored Ronnie in first place each round, Flex in second each round, and Chris in third each round. This is the same system used today.
eg. here is another Mr. Olympia (2002)
1 Ronnie Coleman USA 5 5 11 8 29
2 Kevin Levrone USA 15 11 5 7 38
3 Chris Cormier USA 10 14 18 17 59
This example indicates that all the judges scored Ronnie with straight firsts for the first two rounds, but in the third round Ronnie received a combination of points yielding 11, probably four 2nd place votes and one 3rd place vote (4×2)+(1×3) = 11. In the fourth round, his total was 8 points, with a likely scenario being three 2nd place votes and two 1st place votes (3×2)+(2×1) = 8. This is the same system that was used when Dorian competed.
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what I am saying is that the average numerical values cannot be used for comparison across contests.
For example, notice that kevin in 2002 was given a 7 in round 4 (which is a first place average).
Ronnie in 1999 was given a 5 in round 4.
Because we do not know the actual values used to make up the average (with highs and lows dropped don't forget) - we cannot say that Ronnie's 5 was better than Levrone's 7.
A first place average vote is a first place average vote, regardless of the numerical value it ends up being.
and, note that a "5" given by one judge represents a "perfect" score, and leads to a first place vote.
Notice that a 7 could just as easily mean exactly the same thing because if 7 was the lowest score given by a judge, it would also lead to a first place vote given the competition on that day.
Comparing interger values across different contests is like comparing apples to oranges - different lineups lead to different values, but the values themselves lead to the same placement vote. Therefore you can compare placement votes but not the actual numbers themselves.
what it boils down to is this:
The average placement value (eg first, second or third) is relevant, the actual numbers that lead to this placement are not relevant when you are comparing different contest scores.
Why?
The lowest average score in one contest (that leads to a first place vote) is NOT always the lowest average score in ANOTHER contest that also leads to a first place vote. This principle applys to all scores.
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A first place average vote is a first place average vote, regardless of the numerical value it ends up being.
and, note that a "5" given by one judge represents a "perfect" score, and leads to a first place vote.
Notice that a 7 could just as easily mean exactly the same thing because if 7 was the lowest score given by a judge, it would also lead to a first place vote given the competition on that day.
Are you aware of how the judging works? A "5" given by one judge does not represent a perfect score, it represents a 5th place score by that judge. A "1", or 1st place, given by all 5 judges represents a perfect score (1×5)=5. A 7 may still represent 1st place, but it is not straight firsts. It means two judges gave a "2" (2nd place) and three judges gave a "1" (1st place), for a point total of (2×2)+(3×1)=7.
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The scores in bodybuilding seem nigh on arbritrary.
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Meltdown #2
meltdown is bigger than you, again.
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His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.
and i'm starting to think that you lube up any time you see a picture of coleman.
don't worry you are in good company with hulkster.
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2005 his waist is wide and his gut sticks out , you can't deny this , it was better than 03/04 but it still sucks and shouldn't be on the best bodybuilder in the world , period , they should have stopped this nonsense with Yates , period !!
This is the midsection of a Mr Olympia !!
what year is that bottom one, 95? Look at the detail in his midsection, it's awsome..the striations in the quads...where has all Ron's detail gone??? I'd rather have the Ron of 96 or 97 then the overstuffed turkey we have now.
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The scores in bodybuilding seem nigh on arbritrary.
the scoring system that had paco bautista beating ahmad haidar on symmetry in 2002? naw, you're joking! ;D
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Are you aware of how the judging works? A "5" given by one judge does not represent a perfect score, it represents a 5th place score by that judge. A "1", or 1st place, given by all 5 judges represents a perfect score (1×5)=5. A 7 may still represent 1st place, but it is not straight firsts. It means two judges gave a "2" (2nd place) and three judges gave a "1" (1st place), for a point total of (2×2)+(3×1)=7.
Can anyone confirm this is the scoring system? Cause if it is, Hulkster got OWNED.
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Can anyone confirm this is the scoring system? Cause if it is, Hulkster got OWNED.
that is how it works. there's more than five judges, though, and they throw out i think the two scores that deviate the most from the other five. so if you get five judges giving ronnie 1s and 2s in muscularity and one guy gives him an 11 and another a 15, those last two get discarded.
hulkster's point is still valid, though, because nd is saying dorian's scores were better making him the better bodybuilder. ronnie got perfect scores in 1999 and 2000, but according to nd he was better in 1994 and 1992. by his own logic, ronnie in 1999 and 2000 was the best he's ever looked according to the scorecards.
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and i'm starting to think that you lube up any time you see a picture of coleman.
don't worry you are in good company with hulkster.
Adult Onset Meltdown
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hulkster's point is still valid, though, because nd is saying dorian's scores were better making him the better bodybuilder.
of course my point is valid. Just because my screen name is Hulkster doesn't mean I am a roided up retard :)
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of course my point is valid. Just because my screen name is Hulkster doesn't mean I am a roided up retard :)
Hulk Hogan is not retarded >:(
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Hulk Hogan is not retarded >:(
true. Hulk rules.
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duck season
rabbit season
duck season
rabbit season
duck season
rabbit season
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duck season
rabbit season
duck season
rabbit season
duck season
rabbit season
deer season trumps both duck and rabbit season.
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deer season trumps both duck and rabbit season.
Deer dwarf ducks and rabbits ::)
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Deer dwarf ducks and rabbits ::)
it's baseball season..