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Say there's a major crime or incident. Local police turn up, then county police turn up then state police, then here come the FBI, then the CIA, the DEA and finally the secret service.
Who exactly is in charge of such a cluster fuck? Is it the FBI?
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Say there's a major crime or incident. Local police turn up, then county police turn up then state police, then here come the FBI, then the CIA, the DEA and finally the secret service.
Who exactly is in charge of such a cluster fuck? Is it the FBI?
I guess it would matter what type of crime occurred. If it was a Federal crime, then I assume the FBI or other government organization would have jurisdiction.
The FBI does have jurisdiction over certain kidnapping cases:
1034. Kidnapping—Federal Jurisdiction
Federal jurisdiction over kidnapping extends to the following situations: (1) kidnapping in which the victim is willfully transported in interstate or foreign commerce; (2) kidnapping within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States; (3) kidnapping within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States; (4) kidnapping in which the victim is a foreign official, an internationally protected person, or an official guest as those terms are defined in 18 U.S.C. § 1116(b); (5) kidnapping in which the victim is a Federal officer or employee designated in 18 U.S.C. § 1114; and (6) international parental kidnapping in which the victim is a child under the age of 16 years.
This may help:
To dispel some myths about the FBI, here are some things that it doesn't do:
--It is not a national police force; state and local law enforcement agencies are not subservient to the FBI. It's simply a different jurisdiction for different kinds of crimes.
--It doesn't "take over" cases from local agencies. If a crime partly involves FBI jurisdiction, or if it is serious enough to require FBI involvement, then the FBI forms a task force in which agents will work closely with state and local police.
--The FBI does not prosecute cases. It provides investigative information to United States attorneys, who then use that information to decide whether to prosecute.
Further:
Crimes that specifically fall under FBI jurisdiction include those in which the criminal crossed state lines, violations of federal controlled substance laws, and other violations of federal laws.
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Depends on the crime. Usually fbi/dci (dept of criminal investigation.. Aka the fbi in some states. For example when I was questioned about something that happened on an Indian Reservation it was by DCI. Not local pds). Secret service deals with money/currency/financial shit as well as govt members/pres security.
It'd be a unique situation if you got busted by local pd, then the sheriff's showed up, then DEA showed up, along with ATF, followed by US Marshals, along with DHS and ICE, followed by Secret Service , Etc...
For all of them to show up let's see if I can do this, you would need to be Manufacturing methamphetamine with imported chemicals from terrorists in another country paid for in part by child pronography, using the telephone to coordinate orders and shipments, accepting payments 4 whatever using Western Union with fake IDs, using that money to buy more counterfeit money and using the counterfeit money to buy AR-15s and shipping them to Mexico to known Norcos, all while having active federal conspiracy warrants.
CIA doesn't arrest people.
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I’ve heard stories where the CIA has literally told the FBI to get the fuck out when on scene
They don’t like each other
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I guess it would matter what type of crime occurred. If it was a Federal crime, then I assume the FBI or other government organization would have jurisdiction.
The FBI does have jurisdiction over certain kidnapping cases:
1034. Kidnapping—Federal Jurisdiction
Federal jurisdiction over kidnapping extends to the following situations: (1) kidnapping in which the victim is willfully transported in interstate or foreign commerce; (2) kidnapping within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States; (3) kidnapping within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States; (4) kidnapping in which the victim is a foreign official, an internationally protected person, or an official guest as those terms are defined in 18 U.S.C. § 1116(b); (5) kidnapping in which the victim is a Federal officer or employee designated in 18 U.S.C. § 1114; and (6) international parental kidnapping in which the victim is a child under the age of 16 years.
This may help:
To dispel some myths about the FBI, here are some things that it doesn't do:
--It is not a national police force; state and local law enforcement agencies are not subservient to the FBI. It's simply a different jurisdiction for different kinds of crimes.
--It doesn't "take over" cases from local agencies. If a crime partly involves FBI jurisdiction, or if it is serious enough to require FBI involvement, then the FBI forms a task force in which agents will work closely with state and local police.
--The FBI does not prosecute cases. It provides investigative information to United States attorneys, who then use that information to decide whether to prosecute.
Further:
Crimes that specifically fall under FBI jurisdiction include those in which the criminal crossed state lines, violations of federal controlled substance laws, and other violations of federal laws.
Are those things you see in american movies not true then? :D
Does it ever happen that FBI comes on the scene and tells the local police "We're taking over from here?" :D
Does it ever happen that CIA comes on the scene and tells FBI to scram? :D
Darren asked an interesting question earlier.
Let's say Shizzo drunkdrives right into Hillary Clinton's car in Ohio.
"Local police turn up, then county police turn up then state police, then here come the FBI, then the CIA, the DEA and finally the secret service.
Who exactly is in charge of such a cluster fuck?"
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I’ve heard stories where the CIA has literally told the FBI to get the fuck out when on scene
They don’t like each other
Yep, like EFS said it depends on the crime but ultimately the CIA rules over everyone.
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Don’t forget ATF
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DSS also for international cases.
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Yep, like EFS said it depends on the crime but ultimately the CIA rules over everyone.
Unless it's in a national park. Then it belongs to Parks and Forestry agents aka The Men in Green.
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Unless it's in a national park. Then it belongs to Parks and Forestry agents aka The Men in Green.
What if there was an assassination attempt on the Potus in a national park?
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Yep, like EFS said it depends on the crime but ultimately the CIA rules over everyone.
Is this a joke?! CIA is not a law enforcement agency in any way, shape or form.
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I’ve watched stories on NCIS where the CIA has literally told the FBI to get the fuck out when on scene
They don’t like each other
fixed.
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Are those things you see in american movies not true then? :D
Does it ever happen that FBI comes on the scene and tells the local police "We're taking over from here?" :D
Does it ever happen that CIA comes on the scene and tells FBI to scram? :D
Darren asked an interesting question earlier.
Let's say Shizzo drunkdrives right into Hillary Clinton's car in Ohio.
"Local police turn up, then county police turn up then state police, then here come the FBI, then the CIA, the DEA and finally the secret service.
Who exactly is in charge of such a cluster fuck?"
Yes, all the time!
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The CIA cannot operate on US soil.
This is public knowledge.
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The CIA cannot operate on US soil.
This is public knowledge.
That's not accurate either. Jeez.
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usually if FBI is taking over,its because its a federal crime....one nite I was driving in a marked police car,turned the corner and staring me in the face was a 5-0 female armed with an assault rifle-at her feet was a dead male who was bleeding out of numerous holes...she had an DEA raid jacket on and as we exited our car another male came over to us,identified himself as the DEA in charge-gave me a buisness card and said we could contact him at his office..ambulance showed up-pronounced the body..all DEA got in vehicles and left. My Sgt responds and asks what happened,witnesses,who the shooters were..give him the card..tell him about the raid jackets and laugh.....was called to court a while later..didnt have much to add just had to ID the body...was a big multi kilo buy and bust that went bad when Mr leaky man tried robbing the undercover DEA guy
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usually if FBI is taking over,its because its a federal crime....one nite I was driving in a marked police car,turned the corner and staring me in the face was a 5-0 female armed with an assault rifle-at her feet was a dead male who was bleeding out of numerous holes...she had an DEA raid jacket on and as we exited our car another male came over to us,identified himself as the DEA in charge-gave me a buisness card and said we could contact him at his office..ambulance showed up-pronounced the body..all DEA got in vehicles and left. My Sgt responds and asks what happened,witnesses,who the shooters were..give him the card..tell him about the raid jackets and laugh.....was called to court a while later..didnt have much to add just had to ID the body...was a big multi kilo buy and bust that went bad when Mr leaky man tried robbing the undercover DEA guy
Feds ::)
Where did you work?
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South Bronx
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another case....see guy driving a shitbox of a car,rear window is down in pouring rain...pull car over(actually was in plainclothes and blocked him in traffic) window was busted out,steering column broken,screwdriver in keyhole...yank him out,run Vin-comes back stolen..proceed to transport to precint....filling out interview sheet and checking his property..he has a wad of cash(thousands)..look at the bills-notice something off-find out they are counterfeit us currency..notify Secret Service who are in charge of counterfeiting...they send an agent down-who interviews my arrest,confer with DA...take case and they drop the stolen car charge(state charges) and prosecute the federal...didnt argue it was all part of the game....FEDS will usually take charge and CAN when it is a FEDERAL CRIME
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another case....see guy driving a shitbox of a car,rear window is down in pouring rain...pull car over(actually was in plainclothes and blocked him in traffic) window was busted out,steering column broken,screwdriver in keyhole...yank him out,run Vin-comes back stolen..proceed to transport to precint....filling out interview sheet and checking his property..he has a wad of cash(thousands)..look at the bills-notice something off-find out they are counterfeit us currency..notify Secret Service who are in charge of counterfeiting...they send an agent down-who interviews my arrest,confer with DA...take case and they drop the stolen car charge(state charges) and prosecute the federal...didnt argue it was all part of the game....FEDS will usually take charge and CAN when it is a FEDERAL CRIME
White shield plain clothes?
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another case....see guy driving a shitbox of a car,rear window is down in pouring rain...pull car over(actually was in plainclothes and blocked him in traffic) window was busted out,steering column broken,screwdriver in keyhole...yank him out,run Vin-comes back stolen..proceed to transport to precint....filling out interview sheet and checking his property..he has a wad of cash(thousands)..look at the bills-notice something off-find out they are counterfeit us currency..notify Secret Service who are in charge of counterfeiting...they send an agent down-who interviews my arrest,confer with DA...take case and they drop the stolen car charge(state charges) and prosecute the federal...didnt argue it was all part of the game....FEDS will usually take charge and CAN when it is a FEDERAL CRIME
Feds nearly always supercede state charges. Guy gets busted having a c.I. come to his house to purchase 5 bottles of testosterone and 2 tren. Cops get a warrant, search the house and find to used bottle top sterile filters, along with two boxes of unopened sterile filters, a box of unopened 10 mL sterile vials, Capper/crimpers, all the goodies, etc, in addition to unopened 3 or 400 packages of anavar and masteron. Seize his phone and computer and check his mailbox. Find another unopened box of 100 grams Dianabol powder, and email to and from his raw supplier supplier in another country, and telephone calls to a guy in another state who has prior arrests for possession and distribution of a controlled substance.
Etc etc etc... Suddenly the simple state charges all of distribution and possession with intent/possession and sales (or even state conspiracy charges) turn into a fed case like the state charges never happened. Hell, even one pound of meth can turn into a fed charge, even if its less overall time.
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another case....see guy driving a shitbox of a car,rear window is down in pouring rain...pull car over(actually was in plainclothes and blocked him in traffic) window was busted out,steering column broken,screwdriver in keyhole...yank him out,run Vin-comes back stolen..proceed to transport to precint....filling out interview sheet and checking his property..he has a wad of cash(thousands)..look at the bills-notice something off-find out they are counterfeit us currency..notify Secret Service who are in charge of counterfeiting...they send an agent down-who interviews my arrest,confer with DA...take case and they drop the stolen car charge(state charges) and prosecute the federal...didnt argue it was all part of the game....FEDS will usually take charge and CAN when it is a FEDERAL CRIME
Why didn't he use the counterfeit money to buy himself a car?
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another case....see guy driving a shitbox of a car,rear window is down in pouring rain...pull car over(actually was in plainclothes and blocked him in traffic) window was busted out,steering column broken,screwdriver in keyhole...yank him out,run Vin-comes back stolen..proceed to transport to precint....filling out interview sheet and checking his property..he has a wad of cash(thousands)..look at the bills-notice something off-find out they are counterfeit us currency..notify Secret Service who are in charge of counterfeiting...they send an agent down-who interviews my arrest,confer with DA...take case and they drop the stolen car charge(state charges) and prosecute the federal...didnt argue it was all part of the game....FEDS will usually take charge and CAN when it is a FEDERAL CRIME
What was your probable cause for pulling him over (blocking him in in plain clothes no less)?
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Simplest way to explain them is; police are in cities, sheriff's are County police, and FBI are national police. if you are a minority, your best bet is probably fbi b/c they are more educated. local police are ignorant and will probably shot you in the back.
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Simplest way to explain them is; police are in cities, sheriff's are County police, and FBI are national police. if you are a minority, your best bet is probably fbi b/c they are more educated. local police are ignorant and will probably shot you in the back.
Southern CA has sherrif patrolling in many cases, driving city cop cars and responding to 911 calls. See this in LA county, San Diego, riverside, San berdo counties etc... Rare that you see "Palm Desert Pd", or "Indian Wells pd", etc around here... Always RivCo sherrifs
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What was your probable cause for pulling him over (blocking him in in plain clothes no less)?
PD working south Bronx don't need no stinking PC.
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White shield plain clothes?
Yes.... 6 years(3 in a citywide robbery unit...3 in a precint plainclothes team)
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What was your probable cause for pulling him over (blocking him in in plain clothes no less)?
broken out rear window.....raining out...everyone has window up..its either busted out to break in and steal or broken..the precint I worked in was 1.2 square mile and one of the most crime riddled in all of NYC
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What was your probable cause for pulling him over (blocking him in in plain clothes no less)?
bottom line if you can ARTICULATE why you were stopping,that it was a legal stop,then charges will stick(as they did in this case) as to blocking him in and getting out....NYPD is blatantly against vehicle pursuits in bust city areas and the bosses will order and call off ALL Vehicle chases...so why give him a chance to run
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This cat is always in charge!
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What was your probable cause for pulling him over (blocking him in in plain clothes no less)?
Do you really have to ask? ;D
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Say there's a major crime or incident. Local police turn up, then county police turn up then state police, then here come the FBI, then the CIA, the DEA and finally the secret service.
Who exactly is in charge of such a cluster fuck? Is it the FBI?
the one who shouts loudest...
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the one who shouts loudest...
So Lady Gaga is in charge then??? ;D
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bottom line if you can ARTICULATE why you were stopping,that it was a legal stop,then charges will stick(as they did in this case) as to blocking him in and getting out....NYPD is blatantly against vehicle pursuits in bust city areas and the bosses will order and call off ALL Vehicle chases...so why give him a chance to run
Still spunds like fruits from a poison tree. I'd expect a decent lawyer to argue there was no cause for a stop since you didn't run the plates beforehand.
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bottom line if you can ARTICULATE why you were stopping,that it was a legal stop,then charges will stick(as they did in this case) as to blocking him in and getting out....NYPD is blatantly against vehicle pursuits in bust city areas and the bosses will order and call off ALL Vehicle chases...so why give him a chance to run
Lol
https://jalopnik.com/stupid-bmw-driver-takes-off-after-giving-police-all-of-1822374111 (https://jalopnik.com/stupid-bmw-driver-takes-off-after-giving-police-all-of-1822374111)
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Still spunds like fruits from a poison tree. I'd expect a decent lawyer to argue there was no cause for a stop since you didn't run the plates beforehand.
you watch too much TV....broken rear small window raises reasonable suspicion for stop & question..probable cause raised once steering column is seen busted and screwdriver sticking out of ignition....not my first rodeo,was in plainclothes because of my arrest skills..17 year career over 500 felony arrests....not one of those cases was thrown out for illegal evidence(fruits of poisonous tree)...majority were plea bargained as thats what they do in the bronx
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Is this a joke?! CIA is not a law enforcement agency in any way, shape or form.
Never said they were, but if it is in their interest no one gets in their way. Basically they are above the law.
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Lol
https://jalopnik.com/stupid-bmw-driver-takes-off-after-giving-police-all-of-1822374111 (https://jalopnik.com/stupid-bmw-driver-takes-off-after-giving-police-all-of-1822374111)
saw that...not smart to give the cops youre documents then flee....why not wait for cops to get out of car first time,once boots on ground take off..I mean thats what i would do if I was a criminal LOL
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Did somebody call the cops?
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Here's one for you. The game warden is allowed on your property to search with out a warrant.
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Here's one for you. The game warden is allowed on your property to search with out a warrant.
In NYS-dept of Environmental Police(game warden) have more extensive search and seizure rules(can do more) than sworn Police officers..not sure of other states
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In NYS-dept of Environmental Police(game warden) have more extensive search and seizure rules(can do more) than sworn Police officers..not sure of other states
I'm guessing just about everywhere. The Supreme Court has upheld this standing before.
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Say there's a major crime or incident. Local police turn up, then county police turn up then state police, then here come the FBI, then the CIA, the DEA and finally the secret service.
Who exactly is in charge of such a cluster fuck? Is it the FBI?
This will answer your question
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So my friends friend is a game warden. He told him once he was on this guys land. The guy had hundreds of acres. He said that the owner caught him and the guy had a shot gun in his hands. He said he was alone and the guy was like WTF are you doing on my land. He said he was trying his best not to act scared and after telling the guy who he was and why he was there the land owner calmed down somewhat. He said one thing for sure was if that guy would have killed me they probably never would have found me. ;D
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you watch too much TV....broken rear small window raises reasonable suspicion for stop & question..probable cause raised once steering column is seen busted and screwdriver sticking out of ignition....not my first rodeo,was in plainclothes because of my arrest skills..17 year career over 500 felony arrests....not one of those cases was thrown out for illegal evidence(fruits of poisonous tree)...majority were plea bargained as thats what they do in the bronx
17? Did u get 3/4s?
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Never said they were, but if it is in their interest no one gets in their way. Basically they are above the law.
Not really but it makes for good movies and TV shows.
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you watch too much TV....broken rear small window raises reasonable suspicion for stop & question..probable cause raised once steering column is seen busted and screwdriver sticking out of ignition....not my first rodeo,was in plainclothes because of my arrest skills..17 year career over 500 felony arrests....not one of those cases was thrown out for illegal evidence(fruits of poisonous tree)...majority were plea bargained as thats what they do in the bronx
I don't watch any tv actually. When it comes to arrests and such, I speak from experience. Apparently you don't know who I am.
I still don't see how the rear window being gone would be reasonable suspicion. If it weren't for that, you'd never see the screw driver snd such.
I'm no doubting you did it. Id expect a decent lawyer to have it thrown out. I'm assuming the guy had a PD and plea bargained 99% of his cases.
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I don't watch any tv actually. When it comes to arrests and such, I speak from experience. Apparently you don't know who I am.
I still don't see how the rear window being gone would be reasonable suspicion. If it weren't for that, you'd never see the screw driver snd such.
I'm no doubting you did it. Id expect a decent lawyer to have it thrown out. I'm assuming the guy had a PD and plea bargained 99% of his cases.
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17? Did u get 3/4s?
yes,saving a little girl-damage to arm
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I don't watch any tv actually. When it comes to arrests and such, I speak from experience. Apparently you don't know who I am.
I still don't see how the rear window being gone would be reasonable suspicion. If it weren't for that, you'd never see the screw driver snd such.
I'm no doubting you did it. Id expect a decent lawyer to have it thrown out. I'm assuming the guy had a PD and plea bargained 99% of his cases.
no he ended up doing time for the counterfeit money(few years)
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no he ended up doing time for the counterfeit money(few years)
Yea but you wouldnt have found the money if not for the broken window. Id assume a decent lawyer, not a PD, would argue there was no RS to pull over in the first place and everything after that woukdnt be admisable.
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I don't watch any tv actually. When it comes to arrests and such, I speak from experience. Apparently you don't know who I am.
I still don't see how the rear window being gone would be reasonable suspicion. If it weren't for that, you'd never see the screw driver snd such.
I'm no doubting you did it. Id expect a decent lawyer to have it thrown out. I'm assuming the guy had a PD and plea bargained 99% of his cases.
no Im aware of the ESF legend but wasnt going to get into a bait and switch...face it 99% of the time people interact with the police its because of a negative situation and have a slanted view of police,police protocol,and laws.......same as everyone thinks that when they get arrested they have to be read their rights(miranda) but you dont and in some cases never did....if you are just asking pedigree info and not interogating you dont have to read them their rights...did it many times for simple drug or weapons possesion where it was based on my observations...no need to
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no Im aware of the ESF legend but wasnt going to get into a bait and switch...face it 99% of the time people interact with the police its because of a negative situation and have a slanted view of police,police protocol,and laws.......same as everyone thinks that when they get arrested they have to be read their rights(miranda) but you dont and in some cases never did....if you are just asking pedigree info and not interogating you dont have to read them their rights...did it many times for simple drug or weapons possesion where it was based on my observations...no need to
Everyone is aware of the ESF-legend, even beyond these boards!
Someone even wrote about him on a Sam Elliot-forum!
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Everyone is aware of the ESF-legend, even beyond these boards!
Someone even wrote about him on a Sam Elliot-forum!
What is this Sam Elliot forum you speak of?
Maybe I should actually do this voice-over stuff I've been offered for years lol
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no Im aware of the ESF legend but wasnt going to get into a bait and switch...face it 99% of the time people interact with the police its because of a negative situation and have a slanted view of police,police protocol,and laws.......same as everyone thinks that when they get arrested they have to be read their rights(miranda) but you dont and in some cases never did....if you are just asking pedigree info and not interogating you dont have to read them their rights...did it many times for simple drug or weapons possesion where it was based on my observations...no need to
I'm aware about the Miranda thing. Used it in my last case.
I honestly have a 50/50 view of police. I was straight edge all through high school. Nearly joined USMC, n seriously considered being a SD sherrif(my 1st daughters mom was on her way to being a sd hwywaypatroll after she stopped modeling when she got pregnant).. Had my armed-guard card n CCP (&c&R license) when I was felony-arrested in 06. And have my guard-card now (not armed, although for whatever reason none of my felony charges ever show up on background checks here in CA, so I may be able to get a lic) Never had a problem with authority or police. Many of my clients & customers are LE.(made it awkward when I was in jail in Nov/Dec) but I'm well aware of "tactics" or tricks, however you want to call it, that LE uses to initiate contact with potential suspects... contact they know will lead to arrests. Also know how LE flat out lie in reports n on the stand to make supplicant charges stick... Know this from their own mouths.