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Recently I've been lifting heavier than usual, and I noticed:
1. My muscles actually seem to relax when I start lifting weights near my max, giving me better range of motion. I never get quite the same feeling from high-rep sets.
2. It's easier to stay focused when the reps are heavy. I don't lose concentration and lower the weight suddenly or perform a jerky movement.
I think that mindless reps are the ones the ones that hurt the most. Heavy or light isn't as important as the control you have over the weight.
Sure, you can go Ronnie style and lift too heavy, doing everything you can to grind out a weight you can't handle. But if you stay away from the extreme high-end, I think it's easier to control heavy weights. With light weights I always find myself being more careless, whether from fatigue, lack of attention, or something else.
I still like to do high volume, I just spread the reps out over more sets. That only leaves time for one or two main exercises, which is fine with me since I dont think variety really helps.
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Sometimes I think guys that use moderate to light weights are doing less wear and tear to their body but then again is that true? If you lift moderate to light weights odds are you're doing more reps and more sets. You also probably hit a body part two to three times a week because you can. That adds up to a lot of stress on the joints. Odds are if you are lifting heavy to exhaustion once a week per body part is all that any human can handle. Either method it's good to do a good range of motion under control.
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I’ve tried both but I feel like I get more out of moderately heavy weight with maybe a few pump sets afterwards. Also, 3-4x a week worked better than 5-6x being a natural.
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Sometimes I think guys that use moderate to light weights are doing less wear and tear to their body but then again is that true. If you lift moderate to light weights odds are you're doing more reps and more sets. You also probably hit a body part two to three times a week because you can. That adds up to a lot of stress on the joints. Odds are if you are lifting heavy to exhaustion once a week per body part is all that any human can handle. Either method it's good to do a good range of motion under control.
My thoughts are similar. Tried high rep/low rep/medium rep. Have settled on 8-12 reps as heavy as I can go with good form once a week for each muscle group. Feels perfect for me- no joint pain and great strength gains.
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i do best with high rep/low weight
i love the pumps, the mild cardio effect and i just dont go heavy much anymore
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I don't know anyone that tore a muscle doing light to moderate weights. I know at least 5 that have done it with heavier weights. So there is that...
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I don't know anyone that tore a muscle doing light to moderate weights. I know at least 5 that have done it with heavier weights. So there is that...
Excellent counterpoint :D
I always felt like I would ruin a joint before tearing a muscle, though.
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Excellent counterpoint :D
I always felt like I would ruin a joint before tearing a muscle, though.
I think in addition, it matters what the goal is.. I'm at the age I don't really care if I get bigger, but I do care if I can move. I'm more focused on keeping what I have, staying fit, and avoiding injury. Maybe if I was 20 or 30 again... I might push the limits. But those days are long gone
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61 in 5 days, still lifting heavy. have not had any problems yet. but I go at a very fast pace, about 60 seconds rest between sets. covered in a full sweat at the end of 50 minutes. I'm not going to stop lifting heavy until either I can't because of illness, or I'm 6 feet under.
who says you have to lighten the load as you get older??????????why??? I get good rest, good food, no alcohol.
WHO SAYS I HAVE TO SLOW DOWN?? society? my wife? my doctor? am I making any new muscle? don't care, I will take what I have and keep going. and always finishing up with some pumper sets. I love this shit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ask Jean Pierre Fux...
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Never usually go above 5 reps for several of the reasons mentioned but do keep them very strict and slow, I do feel it’s safer, the only time I’ve felt close to injury is during higher reps on those last few reps when already fatigued and straining and breaking form.
A weight you can’t do for 8-10 to absolute failure can usually be done for 3-5 sets of 5 relatively comfortably without ever breaking form and risking injury
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I imagine lighter is probably safer. But heavy is a relative term. When you add in drugs,sleeves and wraps and what not, you have people lifting weights the body isn't designed to lift.
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The trick is not to turn every heavy session into a grinder. The rise in tears and other injuries has grown with the use of drugs, plus guys that have to grind out every last rep they can get. No shame in leaving a bit in the tank.
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Yes.
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I don't know anyone that tore a muscle doing light to moderate weights. I know at least 5 that have done it with heavier weights. So there is that...
It can happen. I'm sure a few posters here have suffered injuries with light weights. I remember local hero (doesn't seem to post much anymore) saying he tore his hamstring doing deadlifts with 315lbs.
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I don't know anyone that tore a muscle doing light to moderate weights. I know at least 5 that have done it with heavier weights. So there is that...
Buddy of mine tore his bicep while using a warming up with light weights before doing curls. 20lb db and it snapped the tendon.
Crazy.
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Recently I've been lifting heavier than usual, and I noticed:
1. My muscles actually seem to relax when I start lifting weights near my max, giving me better range of motion. I never get quite the same feeling from high-rep sets.
2. It's easier to stay focused when the reps are heavy. I don't lose concentration and lower the weight suddenly or perform a jerky movement.
I think that mindless reps are the ones the ones that hurt the most. Heavy or light isn't as important as the control you have over the weight.
Sure, you can go Ronnie style and lift too heavy, doing everything you can to grind out a weight you can't handle. But if you stay away from the extreme high-end, I think it's easier to control heavy weights. With light weights I always find myself being more careless, whether from fatigue, lack of attention, or something else.
I still like to do high volume, I just spread the reps out over more sets. That only leaves time for one or two main exercises, which is fine with me since I dont think variety really helps.
The main problem with lifting heavy is the wear and tear of joints.
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The main problem with lifting heavy is the wear and tear of joints.
Says the gentleman who getting up out his chair is the equivalent of a 500lb back squat
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Probably a better idea for 40+ year olds. I feel like as long as you’re lifting at or close to failure, it doesn’t really matter in terms of hypertrophy. I’d personally rather go heavy for under 12 reps with good form for most exercises.
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It can happen. I'm sure a few posters here have suffered injuries with light weights. I remember local hero (doesn't seem to post much anymore) saying he tore his hamstring doing deadlifts with 315lbs.
I heard Levrone tore his pec w a 30lb dumbbell while warming up for heavy flies
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though its mainly for strength programs
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if lifting light was the secret then the world would be full of muscle bound gym queens
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I think basic 8-10 reps is the best way to go to build a body. Fuck high reps!
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I heard Levrone tore his pec w a 30lb dumbbell while warming up for heavy flies
Seriously?
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yes, and it's still effective. With assistance, it's amazing.
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One thing for sure is, his birdie still works
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The question is not is lifting lighter safer because you could do 8 reps with a very heavy weight that allows you to get 8 or 8 reps with a lighter weight that you could easily get more reps with. The latter will not induce muscle growth.
You have to go to failure or very close to it to induce muscle growth. So the real question is, is it safer using higher reps than low lower reps and this is assuming that you are going to failure whether it be 5 reps or 25.
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Yup, it is. Or just used proper form. I fucked up my lower back being a stupid ass.
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The question is not is lifting lighter safer because you could do 8 reps with a very heavy weight that allows you to get 8 or 8 reps with a lighter weight that you could easily get more reps with. The latter will not induce muscle growth.
You have to go to failure or very close to it to induce muscle growth. So the real question is, is it safer using higher reps than low lower reps and this is assuming that you are going to failure whether it be 5 reps or 25.
Right, good point. What do you think the answer is?
With light weight, keeping your focus near failure can be harder. I find myself losing sensation and control. With heavy weight, keeping control of the weight at the end of the set can be easier.
Either way, the winner isn't so clear cut imo.
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Ronnie and Dorian both trained with heavy weights.... wrecked their bodies.
Vince Taylor and Melvin did lighter weights pumping reps and seem to be injury free.
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The question is not is lifting lighter safer because you could do 8 reps with a very heavy weight that allows you to get 8 or 8 reps with a lighter weight that you could easily get more reps with. The latter will not induce muscle growth.
You have to go to failure or very close to it to induce muscle growth. So the real question is, is it safer using higher reps than low lower reps and this is assuming that you are going to failure whether it be 5 reps or 25.
Question, Disgusted. Been in this game for a long time and it just seems like everything works---for awhile. And then not. Bill Pearl was against training to failure. What are your thoughts on his type routines? Thanks.
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4 pec tears, not a single tear caused by heavy (<5RM) loads. Last one was on the 2nd rep of the 4th set of 8 reps with a weight.
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Ronnie and Dorian both trained with heavy weights.... wrecked their bodies.
Vince Taylor and Melvin did lighter weights pumping reps and seem to be injury free.
14 Sandows
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0 Sandows and a 10 year prison sentence
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4 pec tears, not a single tear caused by heavy (<5RM) loads. Last one was on the 2nd rep of the 4th set of 8 reps with a weight.
4 pec tears!? I had 1 and that hurt like fuck, couldn’t work upper body for about 8 months or so, if I remember correctly.
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14 Sandows but hebrew
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0 Sandows and a 10 year prison sentence
fixed
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Racist post reported. What about lifting darker?
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once you lose control of a weight and momentum takes over you are asking for trouble..
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Racist post reported. What about lifting darker?
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once you lose control of a weight and momentum takes over you are asking for trouble..
Tell us more....
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4 pec tears!? I had 1 and that hurt like fuck, couldn’t work upper body for about 8 months or so, if I remember correctly.
In my experience the ones in the muscle belly don't hurt nearly as much as the ones near a tendon. The last one tore my left pec in about half, but was far less painful than my first one, where I too had to take about 8 months away from pressing.
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Tell us more....
constant tension at all times, no throwing weights around
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In my experience the ones in the muscle belly don't hurt nearly as much as the ones near a tendon. The last one tore my left pec in about half, but was far less painful than my first one, where I too had to take about 8 months away from pressing.
Yup, and the fuckup thing is I didn’t even hurt it benching. I was doing weighted dips.
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Yup, and the fuckup thing is I didn’t even hurt it benching. I was doing weighted dips.
I was doing PL comps off and on for 25 years and never tore it while maxing... Life is just strange that way. Good luck on the recovery, and finding alternative challenges!
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I was doing PL comps off and on for 25 years and never tore it while maxing... Life is just strange that way. Good luck on the recovery, and finding alternative challenges!
Pecs are great, this was years ago in college. Low back is junk now because of bad lifting technique.
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Just avoid all compound movements.
Stick to machines.
Your muscles don't know the difference when under tension.
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Right, good point. What do you think the answer is?
With light weight, keeping your focus near failure can be harder. I find myself losing sensation and control. With heavy weight, keeping control of the weight at the end of the set can be easier.
Either way, the winner isn't so clear cut imo.
They both build muscle BUT!!! with lower reps you will build more strength. I know what you mean with higher reps, its the lactic acid build up that really gets in the way at times.
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I like short gym sessions of 40-50 min tops.
One compound movement per training going heavy but not below 6 reps in the end. Been doing very good so far. For instance, today I got 5 mins of cardio to get the blood flowing, warm up joints and ligaments, then I did 6 sets of squats finishing at 500 pounds for 8 reps.
then i do 4 sets of 4 exercises in a circle with no rest in between exercises - today they were neck bridges, forearm curls, shrugs with kettle bell front shoulder trowing shit. :)
then i take my shirt off for them bitches,
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14 Sandows
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0 Sandows and a 10 year prison sentence
True. But how much help is those Sandows in the mornings when they try to get out of bed?
At their current conditions, I would rather be Vince and healthy with 0 Sandows than any of the others.
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The key is using proper form and controlling the weight. If you can not lift the weight slowly and with strict form, it is too heavy. Ive had two significant injuries in 30 years of lifting and I almost always use heavy weights. The first was my shoulder, which happened putting down an 80 lb db after dong flyes, the gym was hot, no AC, I was sweating with sweat in my eyes, couldn't see well and misjudged the ground. The second was an umbillical hernia a few years ago, which the surgeon said was probably congenital, and happens often with men in their 50s. Running beats me up worse than lifting does. note I do have a large frame with muscle fiber type more often found in elite power athletes than in distance runners, with 7 1/2" wrists, so my structure is suited to lifting heavy. Others may not be as well suited. Know your body.